Cool it with the recent misogynistic posts

DangZagnut · 2019-02-22T17:21:41+00:00

Define misogyny. Give examples, cite sources of posts.

TheMGTOWMan · 2019-02-23T11:52:24+00:00

Cuck hold mangina, No one gives a fu@£ over whores 🙄😉

wine_vs_milk · 2019-02-23T00:47:06+00:00

Why are you MGTOW? Are you going to try telling us it has nothing to do with women? You can fool yourself, but you can't fool me. Every one of us is MGTOW in some part due to women. They are relevant to the subject at hand. It makes no sense to expel all unflattering discussion of them from this subreddit. Downvote the threads you don't want to see and move on.

tsuki_ne_ko · 2019-02-23T01:20:46+00:00

I disagree quite heavily. First, equating everything to incels is stupid. Second, "we are not hateful misogynists"... Well, you aren't? If someone is but not in what you'd call an incel way, as long as it doesn't become unbearable as in MGTOW1, he shouldn't have to censor his own opinion. Misogyny or even being triggered over women isn't necessarily opposed to focusing on yourself, and hating something doesn't imply focusing your whole life around it at all. Moreover, focusing on yourself will always involve a part of reaction on how society works, because even if you go your own way you still have to deal with it. Most people have to work and will be affected by gynocentrism, mgtow or not.

Now, the biggest problem, and maybe the only real one that matters: while some things are too misogynistic to the point of being cringy, indeed, how much should be tolerated because "it's just a joke" or not is a very subjective thing and depends a lot from a person to another.

While I also frown a lot at things like "stomach full, balls empty" saying that it has no place here is stupid. As I said a while ago, that's the problem when your community's goal isn't extremely clear by itself, and mgtow is vague by its very nature. Some MGTOW will be terribly mysoginistic. That's how it is and how the world works. It is bound to happen because yes, some people really think like that, like it or not. Censoring it isn't a good thing as long as it isn't too invading; same deal as the women posting here, in fact.

Sure, this place shouldn't become a place like MGTOW1. I think everyone agree with this. But there's a gap between MGTOW1 that is 95% of hateful posts on the front page constantly and people answering things that you might call mysoginistic because they follow the red pill or some other crap (and yes, a lot of the RPT can and WILL be taken as mysogynistic by some if there is more policing) .

As long as this place doesn't become a cesspool, defining misogyny is pretty much impossible if you don't sum it up to being perfectly PC like in other subs, and that would ruin the point of MGTOW too, since it would mean that no matter if someone is MGTOW, he can't say what he thinks or wants, period.

TempleOfIron · 2019-02-23T01:22:48+00:00

I can't get on board with all this moronic labelling. Anyone who says misogynistic really doesn't understand masculinity and the dreaded path modern men have to walk. Otherwise they would recognise why that state is necessary to get to the next level.

Tsukikoselenia · 2019-02-23T01:50:34+00:00

I disagree quite heavily. First, equating everything to incels is stupid. Second, "we are not hateful misogynists"... Well, you aren't? If someone is but not in what you'd call an incel way, as long as it doesn't become unbearable as in MGTOW1, he shouldn't have to censor his own opinion. Misogyny or even being triggered over women isn't necessarily opposed to focusing on yourself, and hating something doesn't imply focusing your whole life around it at all. I hate the way some countries are ruled and will talk about it if it becomes the subject, but it doesn't shape my life in absolutely any way.

Moreover, focusing on yourself will always involve a part of reaction on how society works, who gets hurt in the process, and who benefits it, because even if you go your own way you still have to deal with it. Most people have to work and will be affected by gynocentrism, mgtow or not. Which will make people say what they think. Things that will obviously sound quite misogynistic.

Now, the biggest problem, and maybe the only real one that matters: while some things are too misogynistic to the point of being cringy, indeed, how much should be tolerated because "it's just a joke" or not is a very subjective thing and depends a lot from a person to another.

While I also frown a lot at things like "stomach full, balls empty" saying that it has no place here is stupid. As I said a while ago, that's the problem when your community's goal isn't extremely clear by itself, and mgtow is vague by its very nature and isn't supposed to be some kind of PC group trying to look nice like MRA. It's just free men trying to stay free and doing whatever they want, and saying whatever they want. Some MGTOW will be terribly mysoginistic. Some will not. That's how it is and how the world works. It is bound to happen because yes, some people really think like that, like it or not. Censoring it isn't a good thing as long as it isn't too invading; same deal as the women posting here, in fact. They -ultimately- have no reason to be here, or rather not in the way the sub was created for, but they should be tolerated and accepted as long as it isn't disruptive and doesn't fall into the "women telling men how things should be and how wrong they are" side. The same goes for misogyny. Misogyny being here isn't a problem. It's just not supposed to be the main content. "Thoughtful discussion" or not.

Sure, this place shouldn't become a place like MGTOW1. I think everyone agree with this. But there's a gap between MGTOW1 that is 95% of hateful posts on the front page constantly and people answering things that you might call misogynistic because they follow the red pill or some other crap (and yes, a lot of the RPT can and WILL be taken as mysogynistic by some if there is more policing. Again, tolerance is a very subjective thing) .

As long as this place doesn't become a cesspool, defining misogyny is pretty much impossible if you don't sum it up to being perfectly PC like in other subs, and that would ruin the point of MGTOW too, since it would mean that no matter if someone is MGTOW, he can't say what he thinks or wants, period.

InfineonVeloth · 2019-02-23T02:03:03+00:00

This my thought why it is becoming more rampant in the MGTOW sub. To summarize it is the accelerated growth the last like year and a half. These new guys come in with the red pill rage once it was in cycles it seemed like now it's a non stop feed back loop. Anger feeds anger.

Then of course the Reddit purge brought in the stupidity.

I don't care for any of this shit anymore. Humans suck. This information overload we have in our pockets it's not good and is misused.

EthericElder · 2019-02-23T02:34:18+00:00

Can we delve deeper into what separates MGTOW and misogyny please? I am not being facetious either. One man's MGTOW conversation could be another man or woman's misogyny, so I think if we are going to have this rule, fair enough, but clarifying and identifying where the line is would be helpful. Inevitably, a MGTOW group is going to have to discuss females just as feminists talk about males. At what point does it cease being a discussion and begin being misogynistic (i.e. hate speech)?

xserialhomewrecker · 2019-02-23T02:35:43+00:00

Ya it'd been a while since I'd been here and thought the same things seeing those post..

Way to be man.

xevolverx · 2019-02-23T11:57:56+00:00

I want to get away from hate and toxicity for sure. But sometimes I do have genuine questions id like to ask but they may seem misogynistic and hateful.

For example. I was fired twice from two different jobs because of woman making false claims while trying to extort me. How do I find a job where this doesn't happen.

Another is where can I find a psychologist to help me deal with exes that were abusive that won't have me arrested like the last one.

Where can I make a living just living in peace. My posts may seem hateful because most of my problems have had a bias toward woman causing them or being told its partially my fault.

I guess what I'm asking out the clear limits here, since I may follow the spirit of the rules even though many may interpret me otherwise.

leisuresuggestions · 2019-02-22T23:44:47+00:00

Thank you.

impending_dump710 · 2019-02-26T22:00:09+00:00

Thank you! I got attacked over at the main thread for suggesting that the MGTOW philosophy is valid but the sexism needs to stop.

miltonsyncom · 2019-02-26T20:27:43+00:00

A venting man always seems to apologize for it in advance. “I’m sorry for venting, but...” People know venting is not an appropriate action. It drags everyone down. Nobody wants to hear it, especially on a forum that is about “aiming high”

Aim high, gentleman. We are above the sewage of society. We have an opportunity to go into the world and run uninhibited by women. The entire world is open to us.... lets not default into the very behavior that made us MGTOW in the first place.

TigPlaze · 2019-02-25T16:17:24+00:00

What do you consider misogynistic? I think it means hatred toward women. I don't think that includes complaints about specific women's bad behavior. For example, complaints about women who buy those mugs that say "male tears" or who use hate speech such as "mansplaining," are legitimate grievances, not hate.

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MAGAMANIA · 2019-02-23T13:37:37+00:00

It’s not someone’s fault if they are speaking the truth about women.

RoberSoul77 · 2019-02-22T19:05:35+00:00

Absolutely. Like that guy who said women shouldn't be allowed to drive. If a man is obsessed with women, negatively or otherwise, then he is not going his own way.

Implausible-asset · 2019-02-22T17:41:28+00:00

Need more mods. I'll volunteer. The incel shit has got to get scrubbed.

Roastie_haiku_bot · 2019-02-22T18:19:33+00:00

Roasties ain't shit.

Taroman23 · 2019-02-22T18:27:55+00:00

This is why I left this sub, its become MGTOW soon we'll need mgtow3...Every time I see some angry dude say shit like stomach fed balls empty I think who even thinks like that? This isn't the place for that...

padpump · 2019-02-22T18:33:28+00:00

The “problem” here is the problem each group has. Reinforcing why you are worth calling yourself a group.

MGTOW stands in opposition to literally everyone else in society. So just like there are infidels or barbarians or whatever it’s essentially we are the good and the others are imperfect because they are not us.

Women and feminism are the root cause right? So ignoring this is like ignoring the cold in winter. Hey just go you own way. But also let’s group up and not go our separate own ways.

In this send MGTOW is just as insincere as feminists not truly being for equality of the sexes.

I agree there should be some substance to the posts and not just pure: “They are shit”

HesperianDragon · 2019-02-22T18:37:20+00:00

I made a petition for a Fem Free Friday on r/MGTOW a week or so back. I was hoping people would agree that having one day a week when no content on females was posted would be a good development for that sub.

Some agreed, others did not. I person told me to go to MGTOW2 for that. Apparently, posting about women 7 days a week is important to them, and that is fine. But I hope MGTOW2 can stay free of the obsessive misogyny.

Naz-One · 2019-02-22T18:46:07+00:00

Can we get all of the religious crap out of here as well?

BilboBagginhole · 2019-02-22T18:58:46+00:00

Couldn't agree more. I can't stand all the woman bashing that goes on in other subs. Some of it is funny, but it gets boring. I usually hate judging individuals by the groups they belong in. I hate identity politics. Yes, I was driven to mgtow lifestyle by the actions of a women, but there are still women in my life that I love (my mom) and that I respect (shocker!). I just don't want to marry them or live with them.

I also find a lot of men to be truly dumb assholes. But I don't automatically assume a guy is one before I've gotten to know him.

anonanyo · 2019-02-22T19:08:37+00:00

Should Red Pill Rage be banned? MGTOW2 to me is a more somber board to me.

Personally, I want more advice on when someone has decided to go there own way, how to live it peacefully. Not really into the bashing.

Iceklimber · 2019-02-22T21:51:55+00:00

Same as the other dozen times this came up:

Most MGTOWs residing within subreddits are in the rage phase and no amount of PSAs or Stickies will suppress that anger.

Human and Paul Elam had great thoughts on this

NiceIce · 2019-02-22T21:01:59+00:00

Don't complain about things the sub shouldn't do. That is the very definition of a concern troll.

dirtysacc · 2019-02-22T20:08:10+00:00

Y'all are ridiculous. Posting a meme about women doesn't equate to being an incel you soyboy. Grow a pair. Fyi, the only misogynistic posts (though rare) are from women infiltrating r/mgtow and trying to get them banned. They did that to the red pill sub, and all that sub mainly did was offer dating tips. Please. "Incel" is such a broad term now that even men who are MGTOW are labeled as such by MSM like Buzzfeed and Vice. By posting shit like this, you're just alienating yourself. If anything, we should include everyone, just state clear rules (such as not inciting violence). By being inclusive yet keeping certain rules, our ideology can spread and maybe true incels (rare) can change for the better.

What's the point of "wE aRenT iNcEls teehee sTaY aWay WaMen haterz XD" - you're handling this wrong.

dirtysacc · 2019-02-22T20:04:46+00:00

Y'all are ridiculous. Posting a meme about women doesn't equate to being an incel you soyboy. Grow a pair. Fyi, the only misogynistic posts (though rare) are from women infiltrating r/mgtow and trying to get them banned. They did that to the red pill sub, and all that sub mainly did was offer dating tips. Please. "Incel" is such a broad term now that even men who are MGTOW are labeled as such by MSM like Buzzfeed and Vice. By posting shit like this, you're just alienating yourself. If anything, we should include everyone, just state clear rules (such as not inciting violence). By being inclusive yet keeping certain rules, our ideology can spread and maybe true incels (rare) can change for the better.

What's the point of "wE aRenT iNcEls teehee sTaY aWay WaMen haterz XD" - you're handling this wrong.

tramese · 2019-03-05T06:41:27+00:00

I pray that we don’t have an influx of the same shit and have to make a MGTOW3.

you bet it's going to happen....women are swarms and will never stop invading men's space until society crashes.

Title	Cool it with the recent misogynistic posts
Author	GFitness97
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Date	February 22, 2019 5:13 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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