I guess this isn't a place for me, but it kinda amused me the other how I, as a gay woman, felt the same way as the men in the MGTOW movement. The fact is that a lot of women (especially gay women) see the issues you guys see, and we just don't speak up (at least openly) because it'd be a career and social suicide for us to.

I don't support Western feminism, at least what the movement has turned out these days. I believe in accountability, and honestly the Western feminist movement is trying to push the agenda that women should have none. I'm not saying at there are no men who are absolute trash, who refuse to take accountability for their lives. But there's no socially acceptable movement that encourages them to do that.

My background -- I grew up in an Asian country, and while there was a lot of actual homophobia there (like police harassment and actual lynchings, because homosexuality was actually illegal there), moved to a Western country ten years ago for higher education. And I find myself completely lost when trying to understand Western women, even after ten whole years. Feminine women back in my country weren't this entitled.

I'm a research scientist at a top computer hardware company. It took me years and years of specialized training to get to where I am. But these days I see women being promoted to roles they have no business being in. We're a team of six engineers -- three men, three women. Two of the women were recently "promoted" into the team. They have Bachelors degrees, while the rest of us have Ph.D.s. It wouldn't be that bad, but their idea of "work" seems to clock in at 10 and leave at 5 pm sharp, no matter how much work needs to be done. The result is that me and the other three guys have been working till 10 in the night, to pick up their slack, and redo their work because they're not capable anyway.

I don't even want to get into my dating experiences in this country. It's all about how much excitement I can bring to their lives. I'm starting to think that women in this country just can't enjoy a quiet evening at home. If I suggest an evening of not going that, then I'm "boring" and not "putting in the effort", and I'll either get dumped in the next week, or worse, she'll conjure up some drama, out of thin air, that'll completely ruin my week.

It's almost like they need someone to constantly validate them, because God forbid, they have to put in the efforts to validate themselves.

So yeah, last two months, I've been single and going my own way. And honestly life's been awesome. I've had the time to pick up the side-projects that I had wanted to. Work out more. Wake up at 5, go to bed by 11. Life's good. I don't hate women, I'm just too tired (and old) for their bullshit.

I appreciate what you guys are doing, and if enough men realized this maybe more women would question a movement that is just using them a political pawns. And you guys have more support in very unlikely sections of the society. Not all of us "LGBT" folks are hyper-sensitive, irrational toddlers. Gay men, in particular, see through the bullshit of feminism most of the time. And not all lesbian women hate men, and think of them as dispensable. It's kinda sad that the ones who do are the most vocal.