I don't think feminists and MGTOW generally agree on much. But feminist theories see toxic masculinity as the problem with 'men of today.' And so naturally, the 'men of today' will come on the defense of this toxic masculinity thing because what feminists are doing is invading male spaces in attempt to frame the kind of masculinity they want to see. However, i don't think the feminists are too much off base here. Think back to that situation when your guy friends all thought that not hooking up with females is lame and pathetic. To be a man, you had to have several females or at least have females coming after you. Well, this is obviously biology at work, but still. I think this kind of masculinity is what feeds the plantations with hordes of blue-pilled zombified men trying to measure up. I have certainly been there.

And i think that FEMINISTS SHOULD THANK MGTOW because we are defining a more positive concept of masculinity, and it helps everyone. Fundamentally, masculinity has always been about achieving stuff. From the cavemen up to now. But those guys who want to chase women make that the ultimate goal to attain. What MGTOW tries to show guys is that you can achieve other goals and in that way, measure up in your own way to the man you were destined to be.