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Association between Dignity and Vulnerability

October 23, 2017
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Recently reading about human dignity as a concept and vulnerability within human relationships.

Some interesting and relevant points came up.

First of all, the concept of human dignity as we know it now, is relatively recent. Dignity had not been a term that had anything to do with being human. It had to do with WHO you were, and HOW you acted within a societal construct. Your WORTH. It was how you presented your worth to yourself and what others considered your worth to be. A man was more worthy than a woman; a freeman more worthy than a slave, and so on.

Enter more recent philosophers, and the rewriting of common cultural memes in the west – and we have the idea of Intrinsic Human Dignity. You get points for being alive. There may be an affront to your dignity as a person. This is a new concept. Think about that – what offends or disrespects your personhood.

Now to tie in Vulnerability –

I will use an example from medicine. If you ( as a doc/ nurse) take off the sock of a homeless person to look at a wound, or the sock of an executive/ceo to look at a wound, you are lowering yourself to their level. You are being vulnerable in that moment to them. You are giving your time, attention and expertise to serve them. In the case of medicine - to literally serve their body. There you open your self up to being like them. To touching diseased skin, fixing a wound. Serving them – ideally selflessly - in that moment.

Married men – we have are known to be the plowhorses of our lives. We are vulnerable to our wives, lrt’s and so on, as we do things which benefit them. That is the vulnerability to our dignity. Our worth. Our “self – esteem”.

So – think about this the next time you interact with the world and your spouse in particular. Is that person as respectful of your vulnerability and dignity as you would like. Are you happy being vulnerable with that person?

How do YOU enforce your OWN dignity?

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[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Are you happy being vulnerable with that person?

I would wager that 0.01% of the people who read this forum will understand the vast amount of wisdom in that single question, and fewer are able to answer the question with a Yes.

[–]470_2_700_nm2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Neat how you placed yourself in that 0.01 elite percentile.

How about you enlighten us mother fucker - what am I missing? Or are you late to the pre op for the operation that will enable you to suck your own dick?

I would wager 100% of the people who read this forum will understand how I mean this.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Risk (vulnerability) vs. Reward (dignity)

[–]470_2_700_nm0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I’m still in the 99.99 category. Let me work on this.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Andy was perfectly willing to crawl thorugh a pipe made of shit. He did this because he wanted to escape. Red did not, so Red waited for the end of his sentence.

I read it like that. Also, Andy didn't complain about the smell, or complain why Red wasn't covered in shit. He was too busy crawling to freedom

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

well, no point in not raising the bar.

[–]RuleZeroDADMRP APPROVED3 points4 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Good post Dr. S-Curve.

Enter more recent philosophers, and the rewriting of common cultural memes in the west – and we have the idea of Intrinsic Human Dignity. You get points for being alive. There may be an affront to your dignity as a person. This is a new concept. Think about that – what offends or disrespects your personhood.

Society values the victim more than ever, and when we protect our "concept of personhood" A/K/A Ego, it makes being generally vulnerable with a person we supposedly care about impossible.

Kill the Ego, be genuinely vulnerable. All is good in the hood.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (14 children) | Copy Link

its not about killing the ego as much as knowing your worth and your standards. I expected W&S to have something to say about this. It links to congruence as well.

Thanks

[–]470_2_700_nm1 point2 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

I struggle with this sometimes. I know my standards. When they are crossed, I am ready for a nuke, because I don’t want to live that way.

I think a major conponent that is hard to learn is tayloring the correct response to the standards that may be crossed.

Edit - I was actually writing about a specific incident instead of my general response to bitchyness

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

why nuke.. why not withdraw?

Are the crossed standards so bad that you have to defend them? Why is it not damaging enough to withdraw your attention?

[–]470_2_700_nm0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

No they were not but I had a moment of weakness.

Major fuckup. I went away though for 2-3 hours and decided that I’m trying my best, and if I’m still not able to hold the line it’s all got to stop.

My thinking is like this. If she’s gong to push my buttons and be such a bitch that I am freaking out, I’ve got to end this. The ramafacations are just too heavy. Kids seeing Dad out of frame like that, it’s just not good. I’d rather share custody.

I’ll say again, it was fucking weak on my part. Not a story I want to share on MRP because it is not a success story and it is not the way to be a man. We can’t pretend that nuke’s are a good warfare tactic. Nobody wins once they start flying.

[–]red-sfpplusHard Core Red0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

why nuke.. why not withdraw?

You still did not answer his question, so I will speculate the answer..

You still give to many fucks about her, what she does, what she says, and how she acts.

Stop letting her push your buttons. Would you let your kids bend and crack your frame?

[–]470_2_700_nm0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Resonable advice, withdraw would have been the right thing to do.

My answers is because I made a mistake.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

My answers is because I made a mistake.

unsure if this was your intent, but this reads like telling someone what they want to hear. I doubt SFplus wants to believe he was right, it was more a tool for you, to understand your own motivations, and possible errors.

When you say 'because I was wrong' it's great for checking ego, not so good for looking past it for the underlying reasons.

[–]470_2_700_nm0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

The underlying reason is that I lost my shit because my wife was being a bitchy woman due to my lack of leadership around a celebration dinner. It was a fuckup on my part, I’m willing to own it.

It’s just there was a part of me that thought in all it’s covert contract glory, I’m doing all this, and that, with a double helping of support, and still getting major bitchyness.

I should have walked out the door. Instead I lost my shit on the entire family, and then walked out the door.

When I returned and the kids were in bed the conversation went like this: I can’t move forward like this, I’m not sure the pros outweigh the cons.

I know the underlying issue was me having handled kids non stop with her being an unengaged —

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

I lost my shit on the entire family, and then walked out the door.

The fact they had to KNOW you were unhappy was the only mistake. It's validation seeking, you are right there.

When I returned and the kids were in bed the conversation went like this: I can’t move forward like this, I’m not sure the pros outweigh the cons.

Hope you didn't take this at face value. Classic manipulation technique to get you back in your corner. I have email/text storms all up to my main event of this shit, calling me a narcissist, can't put up with it etc.

Now? she casually metnionns it with an eye roll and a chuckle. Guess it wasn't intolerable after all?

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Extreme example. When some gunshot wound comes in a police escort, you triage, and then he freaks out and starts attacking medical staff...

I am curious to your thoughts on this, vs the foot issue.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

our safety is first. GSW to where also matters.

refuses treatment? Bye.

needs lifesaving care - the concept here is that he is in a place where he can't make good conscious choices. Drugs? Altered mental status for other reasons?

Knock em out, save life/ limb. Wake em up for something truly elective. The drugs usually wear off by then.

Police escort doesn't matter. Sure - they can arrest me or my nurse for what ever. But they know - usually - that they need us, and that I will personally have their asses if they touch me or mine.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Such parallels... Very interesting.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

exactly. same shit. Dressed differently

[–]RoseCatK 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

You are too smart & empathetic to be involved in red pill

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

think about what you just said

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

This comment was reported for shaming, and I was thinking of the irony that a compliment was adjudicated as an insult.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

oh I know it was not meant to be insulting. I reported it because it attempts to shame me for being on RP/ MRP because I am "too smart for that"

I think that is funny. How about we think hmm... smart and empathetic person posts on MRP-- maybe my view of MRP is wrong. But no. LOL

[–]bogeyd6MRP MODERATOR0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Alright, I removed it, will ban user for 1 day.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

What's a nice guy like you doing in a shitty place like this, handsome? (Shit! Bitch stole my watch!)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You gonna buy me a drink too?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

TRP says alphas don't buy drinks.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

so then you're a beta orbiter. got it

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

be aware, the psycho that threatened me months back by saying she would try to hunt me down with a hitman was a frequent shoplifter subreddit viewer.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

and yet here you are. Groceries and all.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

So far...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

cute dogs btw.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Finally on instagram?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I've been . No recent selfies though. you should be able to figure it out easy.

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll have to start paying attention to it

[–]Rian_StoneHard Core Navy Red0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Did not know there was interaction on insta lol. Thought it was just shouting pictures I to the void lol.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Jesus. What do you think the little airplane at the bottom is for?

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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