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"Manning 101" and the MRP End Game

September 19, 2019
149 upvotes

Any grown-up human who fails to "adult" is a worthless drag on society, and on anyone unfortunate enough to be attached to them.

Similarly, any adult male who fails to "man" is just a sterile, androgynous, inferior sort of dude/woman-with-a-penis who adds little value to any woman.

Edit: What follows lists representative behaviors and traits expected of all men; it is not intended as a complete checklist. These "masculine" traits are mostly not "Alpha" (sexually attractive) traits per se, but their absence when called for is a highly unattractive display of low value (DLV), quickly resulting in lack of respect, contempt, and loss of sexual interest. First, don't be unattractive!

Because occasions calling for Manning behavior inevitably arise in ordinary life, Manning 101 is particularly critical in LTR's to avoid the ongoing erosion of respect and attraction that eventually brings men here.

Manning 101 mininum requirements

Physical:

  • strength: bench press at least body weight; perform at least 8 pull-ups/chin-ups; able to pick up and carry your wife across a stream, or to your bed. (Possess "male superpower" of strength greater than that of almost all women)

  • run a mile

  • belly circumference less than that of both hips and chest

  • Edit: throw and block a punch and kick

Mental: assertiveness and frame to

  • give your honest opinion; state and defend your position

  • negotiate a better price when selling or buying a car/house/lease/...

  • send back an undercooked steak or the wrong order; interrupt a salesman to say "no", and cut him off if he persists

  • cut off and protect your wife/child/friend from someone who starts harassing her

  • express and enforce your boundaries

  • tell your wife "no"

  • acknowledge and sit with your wife's feelings, without being uncomfortable or controlled by them

  • remain in your frame when someone criticizes you

  • control your emotions, and controlled expression of emotion (Amused Mastery; showing controlled anger)

  • look your wife in the eye and say "Let's have sex now."

Social:

  • groom and dress yourself appropriately and well

  • organize and host an event or party

  • make small talk; introduce yourself and work a room

  • build and maintain a circle of male friends

Skills:

  • change a tire

  • mow a lawn; trim a tree; dig a hole

  • rough-house with and discipline a child

  • stereotypical male skills expected from men of your culture and class: throw a football/bowl a wicket/kick a goal/shoot a gun/build a campfire/mix a drink/sing a song/...

  • hold a steady job/run a business and make a decent living

  • Edit: know your way around a woman's body and give her an orgasm

A male exposed as lacking in any of the "Manning 101" capabilities risks dismissal and contempt, and utter loss of attractiveness to women.

Why all?

Just as a castle wall must provide protection from all directions to be useful, a man must maintain all Manning 101 requirements to protect and provide for his wife and family in all circumstances. An obese weakling with great career and social skills can't shove off a man harassing his wife; an inarticulate hulking brute with no other skills will leave her stranded with a flat tire alongside the highway in a blizzard, or embarrassed to be seen with him, or be physically overwhelmed by a group of men turned against him by someone with social skills.

A "Man 101" has the physical power, mental/emotional assertiveness and control, and social and life skills that make him a force to be reckoned with. Man 101 can find a physical, social, or assertive path by which to command attention --- from an employer, vendor, or customer --- or a woman he finds attractive. He can demand consideration and will receive at least a polite rejection, not just the dismissal or open contempt too often given to the guy who fails to Man.

Man 101 doesn't always win, but at least he's in the game. Guys who aren't Manning 101 aren't even playing.


Practical implications for the early phases

For newbies:

Until you're performing passably on all aspects of Manning 101, you're not yet in the game. Focus your energy on Manning 101 (avoiding being unattractive), and don't even fantasize about trying any Active Dread, or of cutting off all beta value-adds to your wife.

You're not yet worth keeping! Your wife would rather divorce you than accommodate any (more) inconvenience or bullshit from you, or give up much of the beta value that's your only worthwhile contribution at this time.

This is why we see so many Rambo n00b posts along the lines of

"Help! I flirted with a waitress in front of my wife to 'dread' her; now my wife thinks I'm cheating and wants a divorce."

"Help! I quit helping with the kids and chores to go out and do Alpha things; now my wife is threatening divorce."

"Help! I completely quit talking with my wife because STFU; my wife says she feels no 'emotional connection' and refuses to fuck me."

"Help! I started acting like a dominant alfalfa asshole by pulling her hair out and then cumming on it at least twice a day. She still refuses to give me anal BJ's, and last night she mentioned the D word."

Please, faggots; NO. Don't Rambo. There are no shortcuts or fast tracks until you're a man worth special consideration.


For the weary MRP apprentice:

Lifting really isn't my thing. Can I leave that part out and do all the rest? Who needs it in this day and age?

NO. Manning 101 is a package deal; you need a passing grade on all elements to get your Man 101 card.

I don't quite get this 'frame' thing, and my wife's emotions make me really uncomfortable. Can I just get really buff, own all of my shit, and act Alpha by always choosing the restaurant without ever risking pissing her off?

NO. Package deal. Dance, monkey. Dance!


The MRP end game

"Congratulations on earning your Manning 101 card! Welcome to the club. You're free to try any door now, although I can't promise that the occupants will let you in without a fight. But I'm sure that many will welcome you."

"What are you looking for? Perhaps I can guide you..."

For the journeyman transitioning to master:

Lifting bores me. Can I stop now?

NO. Maintaining Manning 101 standards is necessary to stay in the game. Most of us have sedentary occupations, and can maintain our "male superpower" strength differential only through regular weight work. You're in this for life ... or at least as long as you want good sex.

This holds for all of the Manning 101 elements. You have to do whatever work it takes you, forever, to keep them up to at least the minimum standards.

I'm not yet fully satisfied with my sex life. To progress, must I increase my time at the gym, take steroids, and follow the broad, muscular path of u/red-sfpplus and u/bogeyd6?

NO. (Or not necessarily.)

Here's the deal...

You now command respect, and can demand consideration wherever you go. (Edit: Manning 101 doesn't necessarily make you attractive, but it does make you not unattractive.) You have many options, and you get to choose where to grow from here! But ... There's only 24 hours in a day, and there are so many facets of attractiveness that there's simply not time to excel equally in all of them. You get to choose, but you also must choose.

What kind of man do you want to be? What comes naturally or more easily for you? In which facets do you want to excel?

  • You can choose to focus on your lifting and attract women who lust for massively muscular physiques.

  • You can switch to a minimal maintenance or slow gains program, and spend your extra time making music, building your band's following, and fucking groupies. Or not fucking groupies, if you just love making music and prefer to remain faithful to your wife.

  • You can practice game and become a master PUA, and sleep with a different woman every night.

  • You can concentrate on SGM and having crazy hot sex with your wife.

Look ...

  • You can also decide that you're content enough with regular, mediocre sex with a mildly attracted wife, and instead focus your main effort on your missions, if this is your true passion.

  • Hell, you can even decide that your true talent lies in making money, and you can max out the beta bucks, marry a gold-digging HB10 supermodel, and keep your bedroom alive by maintaining the basic Alpha attraction and Dread.

So long as you keep Manning 101, you've always got basic passive Dread and the ability to create options. Make your fucking choice, and DNGAF what others here would choose for themselves. This is your journey, and the toolbox yours to apply as you see fit.


For the MRP master:

Carry on doing you!

Don't get arrogant or lazy. Don't neglect the basics.

May your Frame always be with you.

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Title "Manning 101" and the MRP End Game
Author man_in_the_world
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Date September 19, 2019 5:31 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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[–]drumandtheywillcum8624 points25 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

I would add to this that if you have all of these traits and a woman doesn't appreciate them, then kick her to the curb.

[–]DeepReindeer10 points11 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

This is worthy of repeating. You can do all of the things in the post above, and then some, and still the wife thinks of you as that beta simp because that's just what you are to her. I think that's pretty rare, but I've seen it. My wife went through that for a while until she had a sudden realization. Anyway, time to cut and run.

Tough to do in a marriage, esp with kids, but probably worth it for your self respect. Do you really want to do life with a woman that has perpetual dry-pussy for you? What about when the kids are grown and out of the house? Still want to have that harpy tied to you? When you're 75 yrs old and you look over at her and see an old bag that never wanted to fuck? Ugh, man, not me.

Or just cheat your ass off until you get caught, then divorce. Guess it depends on your moral stance on cheating.

[–]Bobsfreestuff5 points6 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

I have gone with "cheat your ass off." You end up having some unique experiences. For example, my ex-gf was in town. We had lunch and took things to the hotel. Fucked for a few hours then I finished up her ass. The next day, I met up with a woman who lives locally that I fuck regularly, at a hotel. Fucked for a few hours then I cam up her butt. That makes two women walking around with an ass full of my cum 20 hours apart. I look at other men and think "Bet you did not cum in two women's asses in the past 20 hours. LOL." I slept well both nights.

[–]SBIIISAHDs are the epitome of sex7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good to see someone taking full advantage of their Day Release.

[–]mrbadassmotherfucker1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Fucked for a few hours?

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Having trouble with the concept?

[–]mrbadassmotherfucker1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, what is "fucking"?

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

in answering a question like this, my first thought is "am i wasting my time". in other words, are you being a pedantic salty retard (wasting my time) or you're just a man-child retard genuinely asking this question.

a quick review of your post history (ROFLMAO btw); yielded the answer in this statement from your wife:

“I need time in between sex to build up to be horny”.

you see, when a woman is really into you she will DEMAND that you "fuck" her for hours . . . like 4-8 hours.

"fucking" is more than just sliding your dick in and out of her front hole. "fucking" starts with how you handle the conversation the moment the hotel door closes. are you commanding the conversation and her. are you "fucking" her with your eyes? then there might be a lot of foreplay, or maybe you just rip her clothes - stick her head in the sink and pound her ass and then afterplay. as far as actual penetration, alternating between her mouth, vag, and ass the longest i've ever lasted was 60-90 minutes (lube is your responsibility). anywho, if you put the foreplay on the front end the first "session" might last several hours.

so then your laying around a bit, all hot, sweating, and slimy. if she's a woman worth a fuck she brought you something to eat. so you drink and she feeds you grapes - Roman sofa style.

now you see, if she sees you as her alpha she's going to be wanting some more dick and pretty quick. she'll start rubbing all over you and purring. i like to take a ciallis or two before i get myself into a situation like this (refractory period can be a bitch).

so now you go into round 2, foreplay, foreplay, foreplay. having bust that first nut i'm probably going to actually fuck her for an hour. again lube. lots of lube.

i'm an old guy, i can only really go three rounds now. be prepared to tell her you've had enough, and she'll just have to come back again another day. she'll be disappointed. my go to line is "you're cute when you pout".

mitw - awesome essay. it needs a section on fucking. if you cannot make a bitch cum; you ain't a man. as proposed by another poster; fighting too. if you've never been in a fight; your man card is lacking. fighting and fucking is 101 stuff.

[edit] - to all you faggots downvoting Bobsfreestuff post, this is why you don't get the pussy. you lack imagination, chutzpah, and courage

[–]mrbadassmotherfucker3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I was being pedantic. You're right, i can be salty at times too and probably a bit retarded. When you explain the "fucking for hours" like that, it actually makes much more sense.

I appreciate you putting time into reading my post history. Thanks for the answer.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

just so you know, salty pendantic is not attractive to women. it screams "try hard"

[–]mrbadassmotherfucker2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, well exactly! That's part of the reason I'm in this mess in the first place. I've got a lot to fix brother! A lot to fix.

I'm working on it.

[–]man_in_the_worldMRP APPROVED[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's intended as a representative, not an exhaustive list, but yes, I agree with your additions!

[–]shouldergirdle3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I believe that Appreciation is a male trait and that most women are largely incapable of it. Women will appreciate a male trait in the moment or when it is demonstrated in the presence of other women i.e. it makes her look good that her man can change a tire. Once she knows that her man has these traits she may or may not appreciate then for a split second and then it quickly becomes an expectation.

Example: I make a very good living. This would be very attractive to other women. To my wife, it creates no attraction. She is used to it and expects it.

Example 2: My wife has a great rack. I appreciate those titties. Always have.

[–]man_in_the_worldMRP APPROVED[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

These are largely "don't be unattractive" traits. They should earn you respect, but on their own not necessarily attraction. Don't think like a beta; you've still got to become attractive, in ways that appeal to her or other women.

That said, I tend not to give value to those who don't appreciate it.

[–]FoxShitNasty83Grinding2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

On that same note, thanks to this man I have completed my 101 training!

[–]man_in_the_worldMRP APPROVED[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm looking forward to seeing in which directions you take it from here!

[–]human-no5601 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you follow the instructions and your wife still doesn’t like you, is it possible that the instructions are the wrong approach for your specific spouse?

Why would it automatically be the wife’s fault?

[–]RedPillGlasses29 points30 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Journeyman transitioning to master

Was my favorite section.

Do you want to be beastly big? Look like a male model? Excel at fighting? All a different look, and requires different training.

Do you want to have sex with 100s of different women? Amazing sex with one? Or become a multi millionaire and “buy” yourself a 25 year gold digger?

No judgment, no moralizing, just choices for us all to make. Great post.

[–]Rifleshoot11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s like a sidebar worthy checklist of things you need to get right.

[–]egc6Grinding9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

send back an undercooked steak

No such thing.

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods14 points15 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I've never liked the 10 ways to he alpha posts, but it's not bad per se.

I would hate to see a dude think this is his sexy checklist... Then again I hate coddling the kind of guy who is hellbent on failing either.

Can't wait to see the first dude to mow his lawn and get mad his dick isn't wet though, he will redefine faggot for me.

[–]Praexology9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But RStone, I mowed the whole back half of my lawn and my wife didnt even have to ask. Where's my passionate lovemaking?

[–]man_in_the_worldMRP APPROVED[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I would hate to see a dude think this is his sexy checklist

This is a "don't be unattractive" list. I hope nobody thinks that's sufficient.

In other words, this list doesn't promise you shit; it just gets you to the starting line. Now go figure out how you're going to particularly be attractive.

[–]Red-Nerd131 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I thought it was clear that this is bare minimum to get you out of the negative. First thing to do with a flood is to stop the leak.

[–]DeepReindeer1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I never really got mad about that but many years ago that's kinda how I thought. My idiot faggot years.

[–]Trumps2ndButtPlug0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Just another covert contract.

“I did XYZ, so I deserve to have you fuck me”

[–]man_in_the_worldMRP APPROVED[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's "don't be unattractive."

[–]Cloudy_PirateDREAD Pirate Roberts5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good list.

I found myself looking around the office and realizing how many “men” I see on a daily basis that wouldn’t qualify.

As a dad, it’s also a good list to pass on to my son either directly or indirectly.

Edit: It goes without saying that this post is WAY better than "27 ways to be a modern man" from NYT.

It's hard to pick a worst offender on this list, but I'd have to with either 25 or 26.

" 25. The modern man has no use for a gun. He doesn’t own one, and he never will.

  1. The modern man cries. He cries often."

[–]ShortGame645 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

send back an undercooked steak or the wrong order; interrupt a salesman to say "no", and cut him off if he persists

I literally had problems with both of these recently. First, I begged my wife not to send back a steak that was supposed to be rare but was well done (10/10 faggot) and she did.

Second, I had a potential client on the phone with me today who wasn't a good fit. For the life of me, I couldn't get him off the phone. He kept asking why he wasn't a good fit ("isn't his money good enough?") and I couldn't bring myself to 1.) dive in and explain (not worth it) 2.) "be a dick" and cut it off.

He was trying to PAY ME money.

This hit home. Thanks.

stereotypical male skills expected from men of your culture and class: throw a football/bowl a wicket/kick a goal/shoot a gun/build a campfire/mix a drink/sing a song/...

The first 2 sentences of your post mention providing value to society/women. Although I don't think that's bad (that's kind of what value is), I think stereotypical male skills should be pursued unto themselves.

Throwing a football and shooting a gun helps nobody (I fucking love shooting guns, but I doubt I'll ever, ever use that skill) but every man should pursue their own masculinity for their own sake. Whether you're surrounded by women or (cringe) MGTOW.

------

Also, this post makes me realize how amazing my Dad is. He (tried) to teach me everything in the Mental, Skills and Social category by the time I was 16.

The older I get, the more boss I realized he was. He tried, in his own way, not to be a beta husband. Sometimes he succeeded, sometimes he didn't. However, he never changed and, at 63, is still unabashedly male.

Just moved 10 minutes away from him and it's special to see him.

[–]man_in_the_worldMRP APPROVED[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Throwing a football and shooting a gun helps nobody (I fucking love shooting guns, but I doubt I'll ever, ever use that skill)

These help me succeed in my male social matrix, so they're actually useful even though they're not functionally "useful." As social animals, we have to succeed with men as well as with women.

Just moved 10 minutes away from him and it's special to see him.

Then it's not too late; let remedial school be in session!

[–]ShortGame641 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey Dad - have you heard about Fight Club?

[–]dilberryhoundogLCWIFOSAAPRTDWT0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

helps nobody

I like your reply

But I am curious as to why an action must "help somebody" to be useful or valuable?

When I see my dog chasing a ball and I'm the one throwing it. I think to myself of the pointlessness of the activity. But I see him having so much fun and I too am enjoying the interaction, so I continue. Same with kicking a footy, shooting a gun etc. Pointless but fun, I think that in itself has some utility.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Is it blue pill to pay someone to mow my lawn instead of mowing it myself?

[–]tom-anonymousKnows he's shit.14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I love being worth $75 - $100 per hour at my job and being able to pay another man $30 to save me 2 hours per week cutting my lawn.

[–]DeepReindeer2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's a big ass lawn, 2 hrs!

As long as you don't spend that extra 2 hrs doing gay shit, yeah, seems like a good investment.

[–]tom-anonymousKnows he's shit.5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea 1/2 acre. Include edging and blowing it can sometimes take longer. 3 guys come with 2 zero turn mowers and a blower and get it done in 15 minutes. Worth every penny.

[–]man_in_the_worldMRP APPROVED[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do you know how to do it yourself if necessary?

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Asking the question is blue pill. Have some frame man.

[–]Red-Nerd131 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Personally, I think these things are the very alpha. Getting to the point where my time is worth much more than mowing a lawn or fixing the car is the step 3 with to unfuck our financial situation.

[–]redismyfuture0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is it a value add to you to spend the 3 hours doing something else? If so, then no, it's not Blue Pill per se.

I have a specific look I want in my lawn, and no mowing service can do that for me, so its not a value add to ME.

But then again, you're here asking us if it's manly to pay someone else to mow their lawn. You should probably ask your wife first since she's the one who has your balls... Faggot.

[–]WolfofAllStreetz3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Should post this in TRP, would fix a bunch of those cucks.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

There is no helping TRP. Children playing at being men over there. They wouldn't even read it and then would start asking questions that were addressed in it

[–]ShortGame643 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

TRP just about saved my life 7 years ago. Or, at least, turned it around.

Now, I just can't go.

Maybe it's that I'm 32 with a kid and have "done it," so a lot of the questions seem trivial... but this is real shit over here. You can't LARP being a man - you have to be a man.

At the end of the day, I think TRP (when it's good) is focused on theory, while MRP is focused on blatant action, aided by theory.

Every post here is either a Field Report where they get their shit fucked up or a theory post that was borne out of a Field Report where a person reflects on getting their shit fucked up.

[–]so_woke_da_wookieGrinding1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Oh you can LARP at being a man.

You really can LARP.

Ask me how I know?

[–]weakandsensitive2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

How do you know?

[–]so_woke_da_wookieGrinding1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’ve done it. And i’ve got the inventory of failures to prove it.

[–]ShortGame640 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

but this is real shit over here. You can't LARP being a man (in MRP) - you have to be a man.

I should clarify - the emphasis in MRP is acta non verba. Or, as Kurt Vonnegut put it, "To be is to do."

In TRP you can talk about the time you peacocked, kino'ed, and got this close to getting a number-close on an HB9. The tricks just didn't work. Oh well, you went home with your buddies and played Playstation.

In MRP you need to be a man 24/7, and screwing up is way, way, way worse than getting rejected by an HB9 at a dive bar.

[–]BobbyPeruMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Check. Fucking. Mate.

Nice job

[–]simbarlionMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

This is fantastic MITW. Love your perspective.

As my relationship has settled into a place I am happy with, I am focused on self development and the optimal masculine traits as per your list. I think they are implied in your list, but still I would highlight that the alpha high value man thrives on overcoming adversity, facing his fears and his ability to act selflessly.

In practice that translates to acting for the good of others, with the best interests of everyone. ( traits of a good soldier, or at least leader no doubt). I have been teaching my son about what a team captain is, and it's very much these things.

[–]hack3geMRP APPROVED2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

How old is your son? Jocko Willinks warrior kids books have made quite the impression on my boys.

It’s essentially a red pill handbook for turning kids into men. It covers, health / fitness, leadership, frame, ego, business, planning, etc. all in the context that a kid can understand.

[–]simbarlionMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes this is on my list, thanks for the reminder. Boys are 8, 6.

[–]hack3geMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Same age as mine - your kids will eat that shit up. My son now does pull-ups and pushups everyday and asks a lot of questions about ego and stoicism which is cool to see.

[–]man_in_the_worldMRP APPROVED[S] 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

To amplify on u/RStonePT's cautionary words, this is not a list of "alpha" (sexual attraction enhancing) behaviors, but of actions and capabilities that are, shall we say, "testosterone enhanced" (strength) or "encouraged" (assertiveness; boldness; male-typical interests) supporting both beta and alpha behaviors. The traits you list may similarly have masculine elements, but are not particularly Alpha.

Don't confuse "masculine" with "alpha"; there is some overlap, but they're not the same.

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I'm extremely cynical, so I may not be the best guy to quote.

I see way too many in that fraternity of excellence who hold onto these tangential qualities as if they were the foundational stuff.

[–]man_in_the_worldMRP APPROVED[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Men have to survive and succeed in the male social matrix (MSM), as well as with women. I suspect that many typically masculine behaviors contribute to the former, but not particularly to the latter... and because we're men, we tend to admire and celebrate the former.

Believing that these MSM-specific traits are also attractive to women is another wishful male projection/fantasy analogous to the BP BetaBux=attraction fantasy... just a different kind of blue pill.

Edit: To refine that thought... The BP BB fantasy is that "adulting" well is hot. The self-improvement manosphere fantasy is that "manning" well is hot.

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, kind of where I'm going with it.

I like some of the list, not being a fuckup makes me feel good.

At the same time I know most of it isn't attractive from the alpha side of things

[–]Cloudy_PirateDREAD Pirate Roberts1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I saw this list as something that most women ASSUME that a man can do. So failure at any item is an immediate DLV. In a one night stand or STR, it’s unlikely that most of them would even come up. But in a LTR, many of these will.

As an example, in the part of the country that I grew up, football wasn’t a big deal. But where I currently live, if you can’t throw a football, you aren’t a man. Period. I’ve had to learn. When my wife sees other guys throwing a football around, she just assumes I can join in. Not being able to is unattractive both to her and to the group. Now I do.

[–]man_in_the_worldMRP APPROVED[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This man gets it!

The list of things that make you attractive, and the list of things that make you unattractive if you can't or won't do them, are not the same. And it's much harder to hide from the latter list in an LTR.

[–]so_woke_da_wookieGrinding1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Men have to survive and succeed in the male social matrix (MSM), as well as with women. I suspect that many typically masculine behaviors contribute to the former, but not particularly to the latter..."

Yeah, this is great. At this point, I am pretty sure I fall somewhere into the Sigma male category. I always got on well with women and individuals at the top of the hierarchies.

But it never translated into the type of sustained impact I was aiming at.

What you've written gives me the 'why'.

I do better in MSM the older I get. But I always come in from left field.

MRP worked quickly to turn around my sex life and my social dynamics. So, I thought I had it down. The way you lay it out shows me why my results and processes go through fits and starts.

I can see my swinging back and forth and how I'm all over the place.

My fumbling of the ball in the ways you describe makes a lot of sense to my current station in life.

[–]simbarlionMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I still think leadership (eg. lead the family), and the others are required for good "Manning".

And how is leadership "not particularly Alpha" ?

EDIT: just realised i did not specifically mention leadership - but referred to it in second para. My bad.

[–]man_in_the_worldMRP APPROVED[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's not intended to be an exhaustive checklist (there would likely be hundreds of specific items), but a representative sample that illustrates the general scope.

[–]simbarlionMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes I think it is very good. I think this checklist type of approach is most easily digested by an otherwise overwhelmed newbie

[–]Spinmovesforyou2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I would add throwing a punch to that list. I was recently at a bar with a bunch of friends banging away at the punching bag game. It amazed me how many of them punched like a fucking flaming homo. These are all gun shooting/wood working dudes.

[–]man_in_the_worldMRP APPROVED[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed!

[–]thatboyjeff2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a fan fucking tastic post, we’ll done.

[–]jonamac121862 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Skills: Cook a kickass meal.

[–]man_in_the_worldMRP APPROVED[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This falls in the "adulting" rather than "manning" list for me, but I agree that every adult should be able to prepare a good meal.

[–]bumpiesttoad4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

bowl a wicket

I thought this was America!

[–]man_in_the_worldMRP APPROVED[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

We've got Canadians, Brits, Aussies, Turks, Israelis, Indians, several flavors of continental Europeans ... and those are just the ones I recall.

[–]bumpiesttoad1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Poor taste joke I guess. I've actually played some cricket myself.

[–]rotkohlblaukraut1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Keep your stick on the ice!

[–]red-sfpplustells 1000 lb club pussies to fuck off3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Why does everyone tell me I need to do manual labor to be a man?

I am so sick of hearing that shit.

My time is my most valuable asset and if you want to waste it cutting the fucking grass than go and do that.

Dont bitch to me when you cant A2G 2 plates as a result.

[–]man_in_the_worldMRP APPROVED[S] 3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Could, not should.

I've hired out my lawn mowing during several periods in my life when it made more sense. But when the guy was unavailable for a few weeks, I was able to do it myself, without spending hours searching for an alternate contractor.

Manual labor isn't especially attractive to my wife ... but male incompetence is highly unattractive to her.

[–]red-sfpplustells 1000 lb club pussies to fuck off2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

but male incompetence is highly unattractive to her.

Who fucking cares.

[–]man_in_the_worldMRP APPROVED[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

It's highly unattractive to me too, so I care. More than I do about 2 plates A2G, to be frank.

But the fact that you choose differently from me makes my world a more interesting place!

[–]red-sfpplustells 1000 lb club pussies to fuck off1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Great. So you worry about cutting the grass and Ill worry about lifting.

One of us is making females wet.

The other is watering their fucking Bermuda grass.

[–]man_in_the_worldMRP APPROVED[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's a wet and wonderful world!

"Don't be unattractive."

I'm sorry your now-ex-wife lost confidence in you and has put you through hell, and I'm glad you have built a new life for yourself largely on your own terms.

[–]red-sfpplustells 1000 lb club pussies to fuck off2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks!

Just woke up from an awesome nap.

I am way less bitchy now. 🤣

[–]NightFire451 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

As a New York Giants fan the title confused me for longer than I will admit.

[–]SuperCrazy071 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol, I thought it had to do with Eli getting benched when I read the title.

[–]RoccoPinkmanGrinding1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Physical: * strength: bench press at least body weight; perform at least 8 pull-ups/chin-ups; able to pick up and carry your wife across a stream, or to your bed. (Possess "male superpower" of strength greater than that of almost all women) * run a mile * belly circumference less than that of both hips and chest Mental: assertiveness and frame to * give your honest opinion; state and defend your position * negotiate a better price when selling or buying a car/house/lease/... * send back an undercooked steak or the wrong order; interrupt a salesman to say "no", and cut him off if he persists * cut off and protect your wife/child/friend from someone who starts harassing her * express and enforce your boundaries * tell your wife "no" * acknowledge and sit with your wife's feelings, without being uncomfortable or controlled by them * remain in your frame when someone criticizes you * control your emotions, and controlled expression of emotion (Amused Mastery; showing controlled anger) * look your wife in the eye and say "Let's have sex now." Social: * groom and dress yourself appropriately and well * organize and host an event or party * make small talk; introduce yourself and work a room * build and maintain a circle of male friends Skills: * change a tire * mow a lawn; trim a tree; dig a hole * rough-house with and discipline a child * stereotypical male skills expected from men of your culture and class: throw a football/bowl a wicket/kick a goal/shoot a gun/build a campfire/mix a drink/sing a song/... * hold a steady job/run a business and make a decent living

There will always be work to do, but I’m enjoying the journey.

[–]excelwithexcel 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Can I get some honest responses here, did you guys not grow up without a father? This it all stuff your dad was supposed to teach you as a boy

[–]man_in_the_worldMRP APPROVED[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A great many did not have a father in the home.

For many others, their mother dominated the family.

[–]shouldergirdle0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

This is a very good list of the minimum requirements of being a man in the modern age. I easily meet and exceed these standards but I have been fortunate in my upbringing, demeanor and the fact that I have been here at MRP for some time. I have made the improvements. I can't think of anyone else that I know in real life who does. Fit and competent guys fall short on the social aspects. Accomplished guys fall short on the physical. I think that the sad truth is that if you meet these standards you may be a top 1% guy. Certainly you are a top 10% guy. A sad commentary on masculinity today.

My son, who is early 20s, is very accomplished scholastically and is a varsity athlete. He can't meet the physical requirements. He needs to lift. He knows it but he is really busy at school. He has asked for my help with the wardrobe which we have been working on. He will get there. Most young dudes fall short on the skills section.

stereotypical male skills expected from men of your culture and class:

Ok, so a quick story: I was at my sister's house for dinner. As I was leaving, her son is in the driveway shooting hoops. He is entering highschool and wants to make the basketball team. I walk out to the end of the driveway, 3 point territory, and ask for the ball. I then sink three 3-pointers in a row. We chit chat for a second about release point and I leave. Uncle Shouldergirdle still got game.

[–]man_in_the_worldMRP APPROVED[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

A top 10% guy, but not necessarily a top 10% "Alpha" (sexual attractiveness). Perhaps most of these "Manning" behaviors fall in the "don't be unattractive" category, not the "be attractive" list.

The BP BB covert contract is that "adulting" really well should be hot. Some men replace this with a male self-improvement fantasy is that "manning" really well is hot.

[–]shouldergirdle0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. Just because I might be manning well does not directly translate into Alpha sexual attractiveness. Leveling up from a career Beta to Alpha is difficult.

[–]redpillnotes0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Physical: strength: bench press at least body weight; perform at least 8 pull-ups/chin-ups; able to pick up and carry your wife across a stream, or to your bed. (Possess "male superpower" of strength greater than that of almost all women) run a mile belly circumference less than that of both hips and chest Mental: assertiveness and frame to give your honest opinion; state and defend your position negotiate a better price when selling or buying a car/house/lease/... send back an undercooked steak or the wrong order; interrupt a salesman to say "no", and cut him off if he persists cut off and protect your wife/child/friend from someone who starts harassing her express and enforce your boundaries tell your wife "no" acknowledge and sit with your wife's feelings, without being uncomfortable or controlled by them remain in your frame when someone criticizes you control your emotions, and controlled expression of emotion (Amused Mastery; showing controlled anger) look your wife in the eye and say "Let's have sex now." Social: groom and dress yourself appropriately and well organize and host an event or party make small talk; introduce yourself and work a room build and maintain a circle of male friends Skills: change a tire mow a lawn;~~ trim a tree; dig a hole rough-house with and discipline a child stereotypical male skills expected from men of your culture and class: throw a football/bowl a wicket/kick a goal/shoot a gun/build a campfire/mix a drink/sing a song/...~~ hold a steady job/run a business and make a decent living

[–]killinghurts0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

bowl a wicket

lol... someone's never played cricket

[–]bling3650 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Control your emotions....learn to stay calm and stfu in all situations. Your natural instincts are usually emotional ones. Stop, stay quiet, and think about it. If its your fault, apologize. If not, realize you have no control of the situation, only how you react to it

[–]mendax26000 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd add some intelligence, some basic education and some simple hacking skills. You should be able to fix her computer - some bitches love smart men. I'm not talking ugly nerds here.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Are you saying we should hold a steady job AND run a business? How could we make time for both while still having gym/family/social aspects to deal with?

[–]man_in_the_worldMRP APPROVED[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm saying make enough money to reliably provide for yourself and your family, by whatever means.

[–]Qba19940 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Best post ever!

[–]BoBoba-4 points-3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Can bench 1.7 bodyweight. Can throw wife across room into bed.

Today I told the cleaning lady to vacuum my office when I was on break instead of when I was trying to work.

I just need to work on keeping frame at home.

I've been checking out r/skincareaddiction. Their shit is research backed just like any advanced fitness sub.

Edit: Why down votes? Not a problem just curious

[–]MarkSentinel5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Way to hold frame and dominate the cleaning lady bro...

How about you take your break early, invite her in with a pleasant smile, or otherwise get the fuck out of her way and let her do her job?

Or you can just bang her on your desk and really show her who's boss.

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

+1, LMAO

[–]BoBoba-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's what I did. I took my break when she got there. Also no, she's an old fat Honduran woman.

[–]PowerTractor_v20 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Older, bigger women need love too bruh! Bet she'd clean the fuck out of your office after just one rodeo.

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