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SMV : stop talking about money

November 22, 2015
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Many recent posts, as well as some manosphere blogs speak of SMV as being linked in part to a man's ability to provide finances.

Lets talk SMV for a second.

SEXUAL market value :

  • Looks

-Confidence

  • Maturity

-Dominance

  • Peak social status

Whenever guys get on here and talk about being financially stable, or making more money than "her" it looks like there is a lack of understanding of that component of SMV.

Lets talk money. Its good for food, cars, houses, paying for dates, buying yourself shit, and other nice things.

Money does not get you laid. (unless with an actual whore or "might as well be" whore )

Money provides things ( nice car, nice clothes, improved grooming / hygiene) that may help you get laid.

Some Jobs / work that provide a good salary are Exciting and provide Social Proof / Status

The $$ is just a bonus.

What does your money provide for the female? Nothing. At least not directly

She does not care how much you make for Ginatingle purposes.

Money is a provider trait.

How you use money may be an Alpha trait:

It all comes down to Tingles :

Nice tingle inspiring action vacations

Ability to provide experiences

Ability to see yourself as stable and therefore *Have** more confidence

More Available Time to spend with Her because you don't have to be out making more money

and so on.

This is not to undermine the importance of finances as a provider trait. She will still leave you if you are not providing. She may continue to fuck you, but she will swing to someone else who can provide ( again not always, but potential)

Money also is about leadership, both of yourself, of your family, and about your ability to navigate the world around you. It's like any other resource.

The pool boy still gets laid

Remember, she is USED TO YOUR MONEY. She is USED TO this lifestyle.

Use that resource to mix things up a bit, but don't put it into SEXUAL market value.

Stop mentioning your money when you talk about SMV.

No one cares.

Making a good amount is a 0 in the game, Making less than you can or have in the past, at least -1

Getting your ass back into gear and making a good / excellent living again does not +1 .

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Title SMV : stop talking about money
Author Scurvemuch
Upvotes 14
Comments 47
Date November 22, 2015 7:14 PM UTC (7 years ago)
Subreddit /r/MarriedRedPill
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[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Hell, it's probably a good thing if people stop estimating their SMV period.

Want to know why your opinion doesn't matter? because SMV is all in the girls head, you're supposed to be aware of it, thats it. If your wife thinks you're a 4 (any anything less than an 8 is shit in her eyes) then you can have abs, money, and a dick that shoots chocolate. you're a 4. She can be a land whale. if she was hot in 1998, shes an 8.

Want to know how to build your SMV? Have a HB8 hit on you in front of other girls, those girls now think you're an 8.

How do you get that? build those stats OP's talking about. But don't kid yourself, your goal is to be a man, the women will figure it out among them once you do.

If you think you're an 8, how many HB8 actively flirt with you, how many HB5-7 are actively trying to steal you from your spouse?

Better framing, how many of those thing does your wife think are happening?

Thats your SMV. no one gives a shit if you make money, are a good dad, or are tall. And you assuming you are higher, and then asking why your wife won't fuck you shows ignorance...

stop it

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually , exactly

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I like how you described SMV.

Sure it is in our (and their) heads and it is subject to situation usually.

The reason people are obsessed with their SMV is the ego self preservation mechanism. I am guilty as well.

It creeps to my mind all the time. It goes like this:

I am at least 5 and she is probably 5 as well. She is not interested though. That would assume my SMV is actually lower than 5. But that would be embarrassing for my ego. Therefore I have to dig into SMV deeper and self confirm I am really 5. Ergo she is wrong, she should be interested. It is her fault.

See how easy it is... And false of course.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I assume I've been lucky in that I never had that drive to quantify my SMV.

I focused on hitting the gym again, eating well, not putting up with bullshit, and killing my own bullshit.

Naturally I got some female attention. TBH I never really wanted it. I fucked plenty in my 20s, and remember one of my BPPrage moments was something to the effect of "You don't need to worry about me leaving you for another woman, but for no one"

Granted, every time I'm being awesome, theres another woman responding, and the spouse sees it, it pays off in spades... But I've worked hard to internalize that she will respond to me well regardless.

I could list off the shopping list as to why I think that, but it doesn't matter. I believe it and it comes out in everything I do.


Don't over think it. Do value building things (SMV) and people will fall in line, as they would with any high value man who they know. As soon as you start thinking "I am a SMV, why is wife not fuck?" it's a quick jump to "this'll get her panties wet" which is validation seeking, and ultimately counter productive imo

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

The pool boy does get laid but it's a pure alpha fucks kind of thing.

This post is a financial version of "You don't need to lift"

Money, status, power are important components of a man's SMV. It's a multifactor construct

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

This post is a financial version of "You don't need to lift"

Absolutely disagree

You Have to get your finances done right.

This is more to the people who come and say " I don't get it , I pay for everything and I make 4x what she does and I'm working on the other stuff but I still don't get laid "

This is about those people who prioritize money as being a key factor in their smv

U/stonepimplestis got the point of the post

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

You can disagree but you are wrong. Money is important, just not the deciding factor.

Dont believe me? Street is littered with guys who lost jobs and later family

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

You are misreading the post and my answer.

The post is not "you don't need to lift"

the post is "don't "just" lift" or "don't bank on just lifting"

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Maybe the title isnt so great

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

it should be a PSA: Your money doesn't add tingles

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

It can propel your smv big time

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

like a turbo boost.... and then its over. because now its baseline and expected.

now for plates... yea sure, its a nice bonus

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Bro, they are all fucking plates.

Have you read a thing here? She isn't yours (it's your turn), she doesn't love you (she loves the feelings you generate) and for your sexual strategy to succeed, hers must fail.

This does not mean you can't have an LTR, you can. You can have an exotic tiger live in your house but I'd be careful not to treat it like a house cat

Now, you are telling me for one type of girl money is a nice bonus, other types it is irrelevant. You literally said NAWALT. Unicorns do not exisit man!

Let me paint a really basic picture:

Identical twins. Both ripped. Both game aware. One won the lottery, one works as a lifeguard for beer money.

Which one drowns in pussy?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Both. They just screw different levels of pussy. And it's not nawalt that I was talking about.

I'm thinking an ltr/ marriage takes more money investment in the long run.

You telling me that you spend equal amounts of your ends on your plates as you do on things related to your wife ?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

and either you read me wrong or I don't know what...

but for your wife, ltr, the money is NOT irrelevant, its just a baseline.

its a net zero because she is used to it.

for a plate, it is much more useful because it is NEW and still has capacity to generate tingles.

[–]MRPguyMarried0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. Illimitable Men maxim #56:

“Money is more important than women. Chase money, not women. You are more likely to get women chasing money than you are to get money chasing women. Without money or godlike genetics, you’re playing on hard mode. Money makes everything better, the quality of woman you can get is the epitome of such, not the exception.”

[–]The_LitzMRP APPROVED3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Money fits in on both sides of the SMV coin, it doesn't generate tingles per se, but all things being equal, she will take the Chad with the new BMW over Chad with the rusting Corolla.

It is very Beta to use money as a lure, but having tons of money also gives a man confidance,OI and DGAF, which females find attractive even if the abs aren't showing.

[–]DanG32 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Money is an indicator that the Man "has his shit together." Having your shit together is the MOST important. This can include indicators that you manage money, time, property, your body, your health, grooming. etc. well. Many women realize that they are not going to score / have not scored the wealthiest man, but they want to know - "feel" - that you do have your shit together.

[–]tim_rp2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Do you think this works both ways? Context: I make a pretty crappy income and have presumed that focusing on this part of my life will result in improving my SMV.

I can clearly see how improving my career WILL improve my condfidence, leadership skills etc, but would you say improving financial position in and of itself is completely incidental to SMV?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

yes, those things are byproducts. Having more money available can make you feel a shit ton better making you more confident, better clothes etc etc.

Also do not forget that finances are relative. If a woman is used to living in a situation where 6 figures are common, you will not do anything to stimulate her in that area until and unless you are making a good bit more.

[–]TheOakenshieldMarried2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Instead of saying money doesn't matter, which is essentially what you're doing, say it's not the only factor.

How much you make in your field compared to others, how much you make in general, and how well you manage your money is part of your SMV and does provide tingles.

Maximizing your income in your career field is an alpha trait.

Managing your money well is an alpha trait.

Those are direct contributing factors to your SMV. It is not just a bonus, is a direct reflection of who you are.

Don't discourage talking about money or it's importance, but do help others analyze their situation as a whole.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Simplified / edited :

Money does not get you laid.

Money provides things ( nice car, nice clothes, improved grooming / hygiene) that may help you get laid.

Some Jobs / work that provide a good salary are Exciting and provide Social Proof / Status

The $$ is just a bonus. ( TO SMV)

She does not care how much you make for Ginatingle purposes.

How you use money may be an Alpha trait Provides tingles : It all comes down to Tingles : Nice tingle inspiring action vacations Ability to provide experiences Ability to see yourself as stable and therefore Have* more confidence More Available Time to spend with Her because you don't have to be out making more money and so on.

This is not to undermine the importance of finances as a provider trait.

She will still leave you if you are not providing.

Make money for yourself. Manage it well for yourself. Dole out that resource in a way that helps you get what you want.

What I wrote was not meant to discourage others. It was meant to ask them to not rely on "just money"

[–]WhiteTrashKiller3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I don't see what your saying. Are you talking about making money as in hey Babe I make 750k/yr wanna go out. Or are we talking I have 30 million in the bank ..... if it is the latter you might want to consider this. If it is net worth we're talking then I think rejecting the notion it doesn't play into the SMV equation is a fallacy.

Money like no other tool in your toolbox, has the ability to make up for your other shortcomings. It puts you in a certain social circle, it affords you an exciting lifestyle to shock and awe her hamster with and more than good looks, being tall, 5% BF or superb game it breeds OI easier than the others.

Sorry, but the fact is women will chase money. So while you may discount it in your personal repertoire, females don't. You'll just have to work harder on your other attributes to make up for your lack of coin.....

Plus I got news for you, she will still fuck the pool boy even if your rich. So yes I can agree it isn't the only tool, but none the less still a tool to be used.....

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

We get posts like " I make good money and lift but my wife won't fuck me "

Here is the deal --- it's not the money that is part of your smv- it's the relative feelings it provides for the female.

Yes there are plenty of women who are going to go for a guy with money ... But many/ most sugar daddies don't get laid unless they provide more and more.

Money allows for things that generate tingles Status symbols Available time for entertainment Provider traits like having a nice house / car / clothes etc.

Also - money is relative and is old news quick once she is used to it. There is no longer any novelty there. Novelty is a part of tingles.

Women chase money to gain experiences they would not otherwise have. The flip side of the coin is that absolutely a man should be as stable as possible. But it's not a Sexual market thing. It's a Provider market thing

[–]MRPguyMarried6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Once a woman is accustomed to a certain lifestyle, continuing to provide that same lifestyle doesn't earn a man any bonus points, it's simply something that is expected.

Money can be an initial draw, but it won't provide perpetual tingles.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. Lots of guys don't get that. It doesn't matter what you earn. In her head you are the resource and you are hers

[–]ford_contourMarried- MRP MODERATOR0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You get it. This might be the most important take away.

[–]cholomiteCholo Rojo - MRP MODERATOR2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Money is how betas make up for shortcomings, personality and charisma are how alphas make up for shortcomings. Don't get me wrong though, I would never turn down more money.

[–]trp_dudeHard Core Red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think people are confusing alpha vs. beta provider seeking behavior. If you have 30 million, you can MARRY a HB10 but you can't make her want to SLEEP with you. Once you're married, she won't fuck you, only BEFORE.

I think there is a difference between a guy making $20K a year and $100K a year, but not between $100K and $1M a year.

So is money important? Yes, you can't make so little that you're struggling to buy food. Once you're beyond that, I don't think so.

From my personal experience, when I started making a lot more money, sex life dropped off very noticeably.

[–]mediamole1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't understand this.

Don't factor in money while figuring SMV even though money can buy experiences, vacations, stuff, time, security and self-confidence? It's not an end-all-be-all, but a substantive factor intertwined into all elements of your attractiveness.

I don't talk about my income or bank accounts, but being financially successful is a huge indicator of having my shit together. Physical looks are great, but still take a back seat to "success" for mature men.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

  1. Try to not measure your own smv with anything other than what type of woman responds to you.

  2. My point is that it's not money itself. It's what it can provide indirectly. Your physical condition / build is by itself able to generate tingles visually.

[–]ford_contourMarried- MRP MODERATOR1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"The pool boy still gets laid."

Such perfect clarity in that sentence. Really puts that trope in perspective. Thanks.

[–]SnickeringBear0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

While I agree with what you say, it has one Achilles heel. Women with money tend to mingle with men who have money.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

making it a net zero unless you make more.
they may still fuck the pool boy but often they won't ltr him .

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Aristotelian telos. To be judged doable by the sex constantly in a state of hypergamy, you need to constantly reassess and seek higher goals. Making more money is a constant goal, not an objective measure of value. Getting more fit is a constant goal, not an objective measure of value.

Posters commenting here stating that perception by your target is the reality of your SMV are right on the money. A Michigan 8 is a California 5.

Real men should improve in all aspects because they can, and according to many great minds, they have an obligation to reach for difficult personal goals to drag the species forward.

SVM is not a black box, where inputs of cash, BMI, and passed shit-tests spit out a number with which to go into battle.

[–]sexyshoulderdevil75% Liquid Sarcasm0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

Your paychex does not guarantee sex. If it did, you married a whore. Don't treat your wife like a whore.

[–]MRPguyMarried3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

True, but a paycheck does fall under the category of "handling your shit."

[–]its-icemanMarried4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

That's the part that makes this whole argument confusing. Is it really simply a box to check? Or does it illustrate having your life in order and a handle on your provider abilities?

I will say this: I make a lot of money. It seemingly has zero impact on tingles. But if that money simply ran out, it would cause the tingles to scatter.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No one's saying don't be successful, just that holding it up as a party wettener won't work

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't provide. You don't want a dependant, you want sometime who provides value to your life.

[–]MRPguyMarried0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Money is essential for a LTR. It's fundamental for MRP, but not for spinning a plate.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

actually its not. If you are the provider then after about ohh.. a month or two, your money has decreased to being a net zero to your smv.

Your loss of money is a negative. But having it does not add, it stabilizes an LTR's provider / support need. see BPP

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

If plate has ambitions for more then this is wrong.

[–]MRPguyMarried0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A plate will always have ambition for more than this. AWALT.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

do YOU have ambitions to make the plate more?

no? then who cares?

[–]antariuszLTR0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It does guarantee you sex. Not great sex, but sometimes it can be good, and sometimes it will even be bad, but you can buy sex.

If you're investing more into your wife and getting less happiness than you would with a whore.

Why?

[–]verify_account0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't treat your wife like a whore.

If you think you're not paying for sex in one way or another you're greatly mistaken. Your wife is a whore, but she's your whore :)

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