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What is the main event?

June 20, 2019
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Dread and the Main event. What you think you have is probably not the main event.

Also read it here

I, along with other who are actually smart and capable here talk about Dread. If you don’t know, Dread is the process where a man prepares himself to be the most attractive man he can be while giving a girl he is currently married to, or in a long term relationship with, a chance to step up her game and meet his challenge before he moves on to someone else (or no one at all). One thing that isn’t discussed nearly enough is the main event, or that moment when the power dynamic in a relationship shifts for the better, and a guy receives the mother of all comfort tests, or a girls anxiety about her relationship security.

I’ll paint a picture. Imagine a guy who generally puts everyone except himself first. This could be you, your dad, your brother, or a guy form work who talks about his marriage way too much. He marries the first girl who shows the slightest appreciation for this. Maybe they have kids, maybe they don’t. The one thing that happens is that the sexual thrill of having two people, a girl desperate for unearned validation, and a guy desperate to work for it; that thrill starts to waver. Two codependents cannot stand alone, someone has to become the narcissist, and the wife begrudgingly takes the role. Sometimes the girl has some serious daddy issues and refused to accept anything but that role. A lot of women try their whole lives to be men, they always seem to be really good at becoming the worst that men have to offer.

Some men just light themselves on fire to keep others warm. This couple used to have sex like rabbits, it’s now on a schedule: monthly, quarterly, annually? Then, it’s just done. Some of the worst guys I’ve seen an spoken to have gone on in this personal hell for as long as a decade or more. I should say it breaks my heart, but they did it to themselves. The average man can get laid if he wants to, the question is what else is he attached to that gets in the way?

Hint: It’s validation seeking co dependence.

Even the single guys have it, they don’t get to pat yourselves on the back. What, did anyone seriously think that proclaiming ‘the juice isn’t worth the squeeze’ to every woman at every opportunity was being above it all? Who exactly do you think is supposed to hear that message and validate it?

Back to the relationship co dependents. They eventually find their way to our space. We get these cookie dough men, we show them the shit from the sidebar etc. I, or someone else (mostly someone else now) berate them like a drill sergeant to crush that ego, and until they come out the other side, forged out of iron.

They get into shape. They work out years of frustration inside the squat rack. They get their mind right, they replace their shitty mental models with healthy … more importantly, with successful ones. And another concept, the thousand foot toe rope; The concept of where a mans progress isn’t reflected in their woman, much like a ship towing something at a thousand feet doesn’t change direction for a long time.

We can all say we are a married team, but you’re alone. Never forget that you ain’t shit, and that’s OK.

At it’s core, Dread is

about you learning how to become attractive, or how to be attractive again, and to learn learn how to stop being unattractive, to start looking the part. The part is of a self actualized, charismatic, lovable man. Insert whatever masculine words into this box. It’s a mans individual box, labelled ‘masculine.’ Just make sure enthusiastic sex is in there somewhere.

When this happens, men start to build and experience options, or abundance. Women in general love charismatic, fun, lovable and attractive men, they love them a lot. That wife or long term relationship that a man has been experiencing purgatory with for months, years … decades? That woman is completely clueless as to why any of this is happening, and he isn’t telling her. Why would he? Guys have tried to, Robert Glover suggests it, in fact plenty of guys in my experience have tried to, or accidentally let her find it herself. Consider this a warning, use open communication like this, and you’ll either get her assuming you’re not going to follow through —as she should — you’ve not followed through on stuff before right?

Or she’ll assume you will follow through and it makes her feel bad, so she subconsciously sabotages it. She doesn’t mean to, it’s mainly how women think in this situation. She feels bad, she feels worse as you get better, and she does things so she doesn’t feel bad. Want an ice cream? You deserve a reward for a good week at the gym. Lets have a drink and see what happens!?

Instead, keep all that work to yourself, no woman wants to hear it and it makes it harder for you if she did. Then eventually, eventually something happens. It doesn’t happen all the time, and it doesn’t happen with everyone, but it does happen. People around you, your woman in particular start to act right by you. They do this because you’re worth a damn for once.

If you’re lucky you got a good woman. she’s switched on with no daddy issues. Shes emotionally damaged no more than your average girl. They see a guy step up, and they fall into line. She trusts her instincts and does what she has to do to keep her man, to keep you happy. If that’s you, great, you’re one of the few, the proud, the top 20%. welcome to hypergamy, where a woman defers to her best option, try the crab cakes, they are delicious!

But for most of you, most of us, that’s not what happens. A woman will be utterly confused. Her man is getting better while she is falling behind. There’s years of built up baggage, so seeing such attractive behaviors in an unattractive man is confusing. This story only ends one way. She goes to her tool box and uses all the tools that used to work:

  • She tries nagging

  • She tries getting angry

  • She tries feigning being hurt so you protect her

  • She tries feeding you during a cut

She still doesn’t feel sexually aroused by this, there’s just too much baggage in her head from how things used to be, but in the back end of her girl brain, she kind of starts to feel something, a spark. That spark turns into a fire, and when it does she can’t ignore it anymore.

This is the main event.

If you’ve not heard of the term comfort testing, it’s where a girl attempts to get assurances that you won’t leave her. The Main Event is the mother of all comfort tests. It’s a last ditch play to find some stability. You always know when a woman is desperate, and she switches over to a direct style of communication in an emotional situation. Where is she in your life? What does she have to do to be there? What are you trying to accomplish? Why do I feel genuine desire for this dufus?

It’s all subconscious, and it’s all there.

A lot of guys think they have a main event, but they don’t. They get a girl who starts getting angry, starts trying to communicate, starts all kinds of antics to pull you back in to her frame, to make things revert to way they were before. We are creatures of habit, and nothing bothers us more than when people don’t act how we expect them to act. That’s not a main event.

A main event is a visceral thing. If there’s no snot bubbles, if there’s no tears, if there no genuine fear that she may lose her best option, and if she’s able to form a sentence without stammering, it’s not a main event.

It’s the strongest emotional reaction you’ll ever see from a woman. We talk a lot about submission, it’s an emotionally charged word, but that is exactly what this is. This is the strongest display of submission a man will ever see in a relationship. It’s when, in a girls heart of hearts, she submits to you: the strong, aloof, sexy, charismatic man of value. The guy who has the right mix of desire and comfort, alpha and beta qualities, serotonin and dopamine. What, did you think Alpha meant good and Beta meant bad? Don’t kid yourself, these are edgy shorthand terms to describe the lover and provider behaviors in men. No guy does anything if you call him a lover, but call him an Alpha and his peacock plumage starts to flair out. the main event is where a guy knows that he’s no longer faking it, it’s where a guy has actually made it.

That man has got the reins, maybe for the first time, maybe after a hiatus. He’s leading the relationship so don’t screw it up. The first step to getting there is whats called the Come to Jesus speech. That’s a topic in and of itself, for another time.

Dread and the Main Event

To sum up, with Dread, you’re going to receive one of thee positive outcomes. well, two are positive, one is just positive for you:

  • A mans wife or girlfriend steps up to meet the challenge, or

  • A mans wife or girlfriend fights him every step of the way until the main event.

The last option, maybe her daddy issues run too deep, she just checks out, she never wanted a good man, she wanted a whipping boy. One can’t do anything about that, just be ready to interview her replacement, because, and this is another old saying The stay plan is the same as the go plan.

Also, you can read it here, with photos so you don't get bored

And here, you can make a simple tuna melt while you listen

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Title What is the main event?
Author RStonePT
Upvotes 80
Comments 75
Date June 20, 2019 10:31 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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[–]johneyapocalypseTold Death to Fuck Off - MRP is easy mode10 points11 points  (28 children) | Copy Link

Stoney = Rollo2 if Rollo weren't a washed-up, shit-talking asshole with poor writing skills who keeps reiterating dreck - over and over again - while always finding ways to unnecessarily badmouth women - yah, we get it women are bad.

Stay focused on that and remember it - especially you: impressionable young boys and young men alike, your coffers flowing and ripe for the picking - women are bad.

Nice post, stoney.

I had a main event recently and it wasn't even about sex. It was about me and my renewed focus, me.

She said she wanted to jump off a bridge.

How 'bout that.

Maybe I'm doing it wrong, maybe I'm doing it right.

Who cares? I'm alive! I'm breathing the air on this glorious planet earth, I'm reading your killer post, I'm having a drink, and I'm going skydiving tomorrow.

What more could I want?

p.s. This was absolutely "the strongest emotional reaction (I've ever seen) from a woman." I like the way you phrased that.

[–]SBIIISAHDs are the epitome of sex3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Rollo (is) a washed-up, shit-talking asshole with poor writing skills who keeps reiterating dreck - over and over again - while always finding ways to unnecessarily badmouth women - yah, we get it women are bad.

Rollo might be good at joining dots, but if all you do is spend your life joining dots on a page, you just end up with a page full of indecipherable scribbles.

[–]stoicstephen2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

His cooking and coffee videos are pure gold, it's like he extracted the red from the red pill, and left out all the bullshit.

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Not just me. It's the one thing this place has done well, very well.

A combination of age, life stage, education, intelligence and a bunch of economic quintiles have really made this place a wonderful laboratory.

The cooking is just there in the same way playboy had articles

[–]weakandsensitive1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Wasn't playboys main draw intelligent and insightful articles? It was supposed to be a lifestyle magazine for the sophisticated man, of which beautiful naked women were simply a garnishment.

In the same way that Michelin star restaurant desserts always have a color garnishment as an accoutrement.

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's main draw was Marilyn Monroes titties IMO.

[–]weakandsensitive0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

But those titties were a re-print of a popular calendar pin up already.

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No shit, I guess then we can't wax philosophical about the metaphor anymore.

[–]SailorAground0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Shit, I knew there was a reason I never cared for Rollo. You hit the nail on the head.

[–]hystericalbonding0 points1 point  (17 children) | Copy Link

She said she wanted to jump off a bridge.

It's hard to live with uncertainty and insecurity. Was she hoping for a reprieve after the good news? The new norm is months away, at the earliest.

if Rollo weren't a washed-up, shit-talking asshole with poor writing skills who keeps reiterating dreck

Very useful for new guys, though. Beyond that it's just a recipe for paranoia and the anger phase. Better to develop your own frame.

[–]johneyapocalypseTold Death to Fuck Off - MRP is easy mode5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's clear that you are right and she is hoping for a reprieve. The thing is, I crave a new norm, not an old norm.

This is super common I hear, so divorce rates after shit like this are very high.

I would agree that Rollo is useful for the new guys. With that said, his disdain for those who have enriched him speaks volumes about the dude. He tapped into a certain zeitgeist, reaped the rewards, but fell - or is falling like Icarus - to his own petty hubris.

Besides that, all his posts for the last year suck, in an especially formulaic way:

  • Women are biologically conditioned to be bad.
  • You are being mistreated.
  • Society is failing you.
  • Give me some more money.

You always have very good insights. Much better than the fucking psychiatrist I had to see.

That dude was a dick.

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods[S] 4 points5 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Every mansion needs a slab on the basement. I'll never get why people want Rollo to be more than he is. He's foundational stuff, take it away and this is all just platitudes and choreplay.

I would be more worried if he WAS the be all and end all of RP, then we'd be a demagogue worshiping cult. It's kind of us to take the ball and run with it. I can already see people attempting to do that by attacking him, in spite of having no real content of their own to replace it with.

Fucking crab buckets.

[–]hystericalbonding3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

+1

I don't agree 100% therefore he's an idiot? No, he's a smart guy, writes persuasively for the right audience, and year 1 is still required reading. After that and NMMNG, guys need to start thinking for themselves.

It's like the Manipulated Man. Absolutely required, fun, but much of it is BS. I'd also recommend that everyone watch Esther Vilar's interview for an example of frame. She toyed with Alice Schwarzer for 42 minutes straight. That's how you handle a main event.

Transcript here for guys who don't have time for the video, or don't understand the importance of body language.

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I've not seen this one yet.

I always love how you keep a few things back for me to chew on lol

[–]hystericalbonding0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Added transcript to my comment. I had forgotten how long the video was. Watched it between sets in the gym a long time ago.

[–]weakandsensitive1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I barely understood the language and still found the blonde woman unbearable.

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She was MRA before girwriteswhat made it cool

[–]johneyapocalypseTold Death to Fuck Off - MRP is easy mode1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I'm simply put off by his scare-mongering monetization of impressionable dudes, along with his recently revealed character issues. No me gusta.

[–]hystericalbonding0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

put off by his scare-mongering monetization of impressionable dudes

I admire it. Marketing psychology is beautiful in action. How many women in North America get married without a diamond engagement ring? It's like anti-vaxxers - aggravating, but amazing to watch. We're all suckers for something.

recently revealed character issues

LOL - gotta filter the useful content from the source.

Most of Rollo's content isn't my thing, either, but it's useful.

[–]johneyapocalypseTold Death to Fuck Off - MRP is easy mode0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You make a good point, but then again, I think the source is a douche too, lol. I'm just too anarchistic - and idealistic. :-)

Hallelujah!

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Fair enough, I'll just say that there's bigger poisonous fish in that sea.

Much bigger.

[–]red-sfpplustells 1000 lb club pussies to fuck off0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I enjoy more than just the tip.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMRP MODERATOR0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's not what your shirt says.

[–]Reach180MRP APPROVED1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I can already see people attempting to do that by attacking him, in spite of having no real content of their own to replace it with.

I don't know him like you do, but to the general public, he's most visible on Twitter. The persona he's unveiled there is somewhere between bitchy boomer-posting and sensitive Gamma. One of the OGs used to come around here talking about Pathos all the time. Rollo is the anti-Pathos.

Rollo decided to give the space what it wanted, which was "More Rollo"....at the exact same time as his content went off the deep end. It went from sexual strategy stuff to "Feminine Imperative made flesh in the body of Hillary Clinton" type bullshit. Just as he's putting his face out there, finding more podcast appearances, and appearing personally.

It's like a with music. A band lights the world on fire....if they do it and disappear, like Nirvana...legendary. If they keep at it and you see they're just regular assholes who are good sometimes and suck other times, they become the average of their material. Basically, he's gone from the invisible but living Kurt Cobain to Billy Corgan in the span of about 2.5 years.

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Damn, Appreciate the honesty.

It's weird though, a lot of what you describe is peoples unrealistic expectations, looking for a hero n such. content aside, I'd much rather go see Stone Temple Pilots on tour after knowing Scott was a heroin addict (I did) than to reminisce about Nirvana as if it was perfect (It wasn't)

I'd still listen to the pumpkins too if D'arcy would practice her bass again, thats just me

[–]johneyapocalypseTold Death to Fuck Off - MRP is easy mode0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Basically, he's gone from the invisible but living Kurt Cobain to Billy Corgan in the span of about 2.5 years.

Holy hell, reach, that's fucking beautiful.

[–]Reach180MRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's weird though, a lot of what you describe is peoples unrealistic expectations

Absolutely true. And in those last few years, he hasn't done much with regard to managing them. Unlike some in the space, I don't begrudge anyone out there for trying to take the next step in terms of monetizing and visibility. He's just doing a bad job of it.

See, that's the thing about "marketing yourself". You put yourself out there as the guy with answers, and people are going to expect the answers. And when you act like everyone's embarrassing 55 year old uncle on social media, you cease to look like a guy with answers.

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Stoney = Rollo2 if Rollo weren't a washed-up, shit-talking asshole with poor writing skills who keeps reiterating dreck - over and over again - while always finding ways to unnecessarily badmouth women - yah, we get it women are bad.

I agree with the conclusion that women are bad and we get it...but describing Rollo as washed up with poor writing skills? I am not even sure that is allowed. You might as well call Jesus 'that zombie carpenter' or Mary 'that cheating single mom.'

[–]johneyapocalypseTold Death to Fuck Off - MRP is easy mode0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Edited just for you bpp. :-)

[–]RPeedEverything is GAY / Dreadful '191 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

start looking the part. The part is of a self actualized, charismatic, lovable man. Insert whatever masculine words into this box. It’s a mans individual box, labelled ‘masculine.’ Just make sure enthusiastic sex is in there somewhere.

Powerful nugget of advice right here.

[–]HerukaArisen1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for this. There have been too many "I guess I'm having the main event" type of posts recently.

Lately, I have been questioning the usefulness of the 1000 ft rope metaphor. It is very useful in making you understand that you shouldn't be expecting immediate results. It should also make you realize that "boundaries" you think you are setting after a couple months of lifting and reading are most often futile attempts to prove yourself something, since your wife clearly isn't even paying attention.

But the 1000 ft rope can also lead to huge covert contracts for many of us ("When I do all these things right for an extended period of time, my wife will start to suck my dick regularly and with passion."). Also, it may lead to mechanistic thinking. The reality is, that when the rope starts to get tight, this is when you need to start pulling. And this is where things get slightly more complex, since you have to really start thinking what is it that you want and how do you get there, also with regard to your wife.

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Also, Lately?

Really, I remember them back when I started, and people reminded me they were happening before then. Everyone wants it to happen, because it's a signal, that you've actually made it, when really it's a heads up to a guy, letting him know when this happens what it's probably about, and what you should do about it.

Can't plan for it, can't expect it, it should almost happen by accident. If you're doing this right, you've stopped looking for validation from your wife, so when she gets all psycho about it, you're surprised. A lot of guys slip right into their old mental models, placating and over compensating, which sets people back. Otherwise, it'd almost be better if guys weren't aware of what a main event is, it would just be the same frame holding that it would have been regardless.

And FWIW, I had 2. The first was when my girl realized she lost me and had to win me back. The second was when she realized she actually had to grow to do it. I still laugh, she was sitting in the kitchen, staring at the corner, snot bubbles coming out, telling me that "you can't tell me what to do!" when I said she needs to get a budget and her finances in the black.

10 minutes later she's making pivot tables on my lap like a 3 year old picking out Christmas presents. Now imagine how that would have gone if her tears made me feel bad...

[–]ShortGame641 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It should also make you realize that "boundaries" you think you are setting after a couple months of lifting and reading are most often futile attempts to prove yourself something, since your wife clearly isn't even paying attention.

I recently maintained frame in a conversation I normally wouldn't have. It felt great.

Then I realized exactly what you said. I was jacking myself off by calculating how many blowjobs me LARPing a frame I read about online equates to.

Only a couple weeks in but trying to internalize as much as possible.

[–]red-sfpplustells 1000 lb club pussies to fuck off3 points4 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

You fucking crack me up Stoney.

The main event you speak of ain’t shit.

I would wager 99% of the population here doesn’t have the balls necessary for the FMoFU conversation.

What kind of HVM even speaks these words? I sure as fuck didn’t. I was so checked out by that point I didn’t even fucking care.

For a long time I have been wanting to over lay the dread post with practice divorce steps.

Let me tell you - if you are on DL6 or higher and are not AT THE SAME time running a tactical DV prep plan you are going to get fucked.

The FMoFU conversation happens internally. Inside your brain around DL6. If you have gotten this far and you are not full of OI and AM then you are not on DL6.

You should be half way out the door by this point. What kind of man waits till DL10 or whatever to get what he wants.

The main event is divorce. That is the piece literally no one on here talks about.

Maybe I am the only asshole around here who has had a 18+ month divorce process who has had the whole “book of shitty woman” ran against him.

FMoFU. That is like waking up and asking Alexa what the weather is for today.

Edit:

I went back and read the DL's again. And I am going to go on the record of saying the following:

DL1: About you, shit tests, etc.

DL2: About you, MAP

DL3: About you, hobbies

DL4: Half about you, but you are trying to "show your wife" that you expect something different. Covert contracts apply

DL5: About you, style and clothes

DL6: About you, Learn to pick up THOTS

DL7: About you, Try to pick up THOTS, but dont close.

DL8: About her, Try and show mommy, I can approach and possibly close THOTS

DL9: About her, Tell mommy, you think you can close THOTS. She better be nice!

DL10: About her, Talk. Literally the first word is "TELL" Tell her what? She better start want to start sucking your dick? Or else?

DL11: About you, Go fuck THOTS

DL12: About her, One last ditch effort to scare her into compliance.

I get the DL's are 4 years old, and I am not sure if /u/BluepillProfessor is divorced. I dont have the kind of history in this place.

I also have not read the DL levels in a long fucking time, but now that I have - they need to be updated. DL1-7 are spot the fuck on.

DL,8,9,10,12 are literally all about her. You should be fucking gone by this point.

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

DL,8,9,10,12 are literally all about her.

Wut? Show the wife is about her but not any of the others. Even the ultimatums are about moving you from Beta to an Alpha with female options. Cheating on your wife is about her? Flirting with women and building options is about her? The final levels of active Dread are about taking control of the relationship and the sex, so in that sense they must be about "her."

Also, BPP is still married.

So what is your plan? Some have argued demonstrate don't explicate. Don't ever "talk" but just "do" and the problem is that girls don't learn too good sometimes. By the time they see it, figure out what they are seeing, and accept it, you will have locked down younger/tighter/better.

If we wanted to do that we would have called the sub: "DivorcingRed Pill" not "MarriedRedPill."

[–]UnPussified1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

only asshole around here who has had a 18+ month divorce process who has had the whole “book of shitty woman” ran against him.

5 YEARS + $500k (18 months is walk in the park). - It can ALWAYS get worse.

The Main Event is whatever anyone chooses to call it BUT the point is, it's an unceremonious reward for re-manufacturing a new man card, the hard way.

I covered most levels through 10 (albeit unintentionally), #10 had no talk about sex, it was contacting an atty. Main event came ~9 months later.

The circular reference all (RP) men face is: "How do I get muh validation?"

Sex.

Metaphor: You can get your validation by stealing more cars from the Valet. Or you can (re)build an old muscle car, or you buy a shiny new one.

In the end, it's about the car and it's about your ego - The car you drive is a reflection of you and your ego.

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods[S] 0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

You should be, and on the times where the girl realizes she's out the door and wants back in, this is how that happens.

Like I said, branch swinging with an olive branch

[–]red-sfpplustells 1000 lb club pussies to fuck off0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

Like I said, branch swinging with an olive branch

Men do not branch swing.

The DL's are a process methodology for men to execute so they can stop being a faggot and get the pussy they want. Regardless of what head is attached to that pussy.

DL1-7 are about building a HVM. DL8-10 are about that HVM giving a LVW multiple, opportunities to "earn him back." He is instructed to first demonstate his "skills" directly to this woman, then overtly tell her, then finally threaten her into compliance.

In these three steps, there is so much contradiction between DL1-7 and overall RP beliefs, how has no one challenged this before?

The 1000 foot rope does not extend from DL1-7. They are not parallel things which get executed at the same time. You should be seeing incremental improvements in the woman between DL1-7.

There is no point to anything past DL8. By that point, if you are not getting what you want from that woman, it is never going to happen. If you have to have a FMoFU conversation, you have lost be default.

Desire, CANNOT be negotiated.

The main event we speak of here is BS. The main event is divorce.

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods[S] 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

You're like talking with DeadsandSushi right now.

Desire, CANNOT be negotiated.

It's not, I don't know how you got that from Dread game.

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMRP MODERATOR1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think dread only works if you like your wife (reference J10 thoughts on dread). If you don't like your wife, then you'll be in the anger phase working through the dread levels, and you'll enjoy having the hamster in the maze too much.

I can see how if you were betrayed, and the wife takes your kids away or other such betrayal - that dread wouldn't give a damn. At that point it's about becoming a HVM and protecting yourself.

[–]BluepillProfessorMarried-MRP MODERATOR1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Truth. I keep challenging my clients to stop deliberately aggravating their wives. These guys love poking the bear. Some of them discover the power of Dread and instead of using it to increase arousal they use it to punish the wife for all the sexual denials and bad behavior. It doesn't work very well unless the goal is to get divorced.

[–]red-sfpplustells 1000 lb club pussies to fuck off0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

DeadsandSushi

I dont know who that is.

I don't know how you got that from Dread game

IDK bro, Ill drop it, but reading it in my current frame of reference, DL8,9,10 all sound pretty faggotry to me. Show, talk then tell. Those are all attempts to negotiate desire in my mind.

Anyway, Im out.

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

For me it was at DL 7

I was checked out, it wasn't a negotiation. She fought to come back and earned it. The relationship was over before DL 1

And this is all faggoty, we are learning how to fuck our wives on the internet from strangers.

it's all faggots

[–]red-sfpplustells 1000 lb club pussies to fuck off0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Speak for yourself.

I told someone the other day I wouldn’t fuck my wife with HIS dick.

Same shit applies to you. 🤣🤣

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Is this an AMOG? Should I emote?

[–]red-sfpplustells 1000 lb club pussies to fuck off0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don’t misunderstand. You will also be more alpha.

Behind the keyboard.... 😜

[–]PersaeusMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

DeadsandSushi

a woman that used to post here. it's a compliment IMHO.

on the one hand i agree with you. i consider myself a successful MRP, and i basically skipped DL8-10; and just fucked the THOTS. my dad always told me, never pull out a gun unless you intend to shoot someone and never shoot someone if you don't intend to kill someone.

in regard to "negotiating attraction"; you're applying your man thinking to a woman. DL8 is about secondary attraction - it's a woman thing, not a man thing. DL9 is the same thing for obtuse wives. DL10 is likely negotiating, but also might be needed for really dense wives. the solipsism . . . it burns.

DL12 is the divorce talk or you just stating your going to be banging thots, and oh btw don't forget the kids recital.

[–]johneyapocalypseTold Death to Fuck Off - MRP is easy mode0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

He didn't, he got that from winstrol.

[–]campfire4510 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, I agree about this. People forget the 12 levels of dread seems to have been a satirical thing inspired by AA and it's been taken it too seriously. Even the order of the early steps seems pretty arbitrary. Why not get clothes before hobbies or whatever. There's no deep meaning to the method. Anyone who doesn't understand BPP as at least 50% satire/venting is on the spectrum. jack10 even noted that nobody who's actually doing this ever makes it into the upper levels. But it's just always felt so pathetically passive aggressive to me. Harpy won't fuck and others are interested? Bye. You shouldn't even need the "and others are interested" qualifier. I think that was 88will88's opinion about it, too.

It only really makes sense for religious people who are trying to solve a non-rule0 problem: religion. They are reflexively opposed to divorce on religious grounds. For whatever reason they find it easier to dig through the Bible to justify infidelity, rather than dig through the Bible to justify divorce. Despite the fact that there are already denominations that have solved the divorce problem. To be fair: it's probably hard to kill two or your gods at the same time.

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The clothes comes last because you should be leaning up and billing out. Once you're in shape you buy them.

The steps are ordered in practicality, not logical consistency

[–]Reject444Grinding0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy shit, this is EXACTLY the reminder I needed right now. Not about the Main Event, but for everything leading up to it. Thanks for the great post and the kick in the ass.

[–]framelessglasses0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Great post Stoney!

Frenchy told you to get your writing skills in order and the world would be yours. Well done.

What you probably won't like: your writing is getting more like your nemesis, old Jack10's style. Regardless, it works well for you.

[–]johneyapocalypseTold Death to Fuck Off - MRP is easy mode4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Stoney2 vs JXH, Part Deux.

JXH is irreplaceable, but somewhat theoretical. Stoney is and always has been practical, that's why - at the same time his advice often hits you in the face like a ton of bricks - it genuinely works. Pretty smart for a Canadian.

With that said, his "writing skills in order" may no longer result in quips like "shut your whore mouth," my favorite stoney quote ever.

[–]framelessglasses1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, and along with "Don't eat Paint" and "that'll show her" classic Stone that evolved before our eyes.

[–]hystericalbonding0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

JXH is irreplaceable, but somewhat theoretical.

Jack, Stoney, and weakandsensitive all give the same advice in different ways - basic mindset, frame, and prescriptive advice with an understanding of PUA applied to LTR. The differences are about politics, presentation, and the question of whether those who can't find a starting point should be shown a path or left behind.

[–]johneyapocalypseTold Death to Fuck Off - MRP is easy mode0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

w&s is very good, other than his hatred of dungeons & dragons, heh.

[–]weakandsensitive2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I actually really like D&D. I just hate the people who play it.

[–]johneyapocalypseTold Death to Fuck Off - MRP is easy mode3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Especially mormons, they always monopolize the druids and the clerics.

[–]alphasixfourGrinding0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

escaping Mormon. Never played a cleric. Had too much of that shit in my real life.

Rangers are where it's at.

*nerd alert

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is my sentiment for just about any nerdy hobby or entertainment

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I liked jack, our only disagreement would be answering drive by questions with 3k word posts would cause burn out.

Which it did

[–]JDRoedellMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Damn that tuna melt looked good.

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

wifes hommmade bread. It's weird, softer than normal bread, almost like a milk bread.

Too bad, sourdough is great, but a dense rye would be better

[–]TaipanshimshonMRP APPROVED0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Some people just get caught up in their own bullshit and argue DL levels and have FMoFU convos in their own head.

Here's a fucking hint boys.....

If you have to spell it out you're a faggot not paying attention

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

😅

[–]470_2_700_nm0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thanks for all of this mother fucker.

Glad to see the bullshit of the 21 hasn’t got you soured out of this Sub. Can’t tell where the chips landed or why and don’t really care.

The soap was gay anyway.

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I still use the soap, go figure. 😂

[–]SteelSharpensSteelMRP MODERATOR0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

The crab cakes were superb!

Great clarifying post, Stoney.

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh man, crab cakes.. love those too

[–]UnbreakableFrameGrinding0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

My relationship is going the best it's been yet, but I'm beginning to think a main event might be coming. Her comfort tests and shit tests are simultaneously intensifying, which hasn't happened before. She's starting to say things to me that make her vulnerable in ways she never has, yet at the same time, she's visciously stabbing at my frame and testing me daily.

Thanks for the clarification on what a main event really is. I had sort of thought that I had one before, now I know that I haven't.

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm beginning to think a main event might be coming

Not your problem, don't anticipate.

[–]UnbreakableFrameGrinding0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I don't stress about that sort of stuff, it was just an observation based on your post.

[–]FoxShitNasty83Grinding0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Wow!! I feel like I have been gut punched and now I have vomit in my mouth.... More please!

[–]RStonePTOfficial Counterfeit Goods[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Slow down before we get pregnant. It's a little bit of a heads up for guys in the future 😂

[–]sidepiecebandit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dick Whitman FTW

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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