If what the 'manosphere' says about society is real, I don't wanna live in it.

BonsaiSoul · 2023-07-04T02:22:00+00:00

This, too, is the manosphere. Some people try and reduce that word to just its hardest-to-sympathize-with denominator, but it encompasses spaces that center men talking about our feelings, lived experience and things affecting us without being talked over. In the same way that feminism is more properly a plurality of "feminisms" that don't always align and may even contradict each other, men's spaces also vary wildly. There are also spaces like this one.

There are places and lifestyles that are dehumanizing to men like those videos talk about, but rather than trying to adapt to being dehumanized as they suggest, you can also choose to insist upon justice and being treated like a person. The only doors that close to you by doing that are ones that lead to places that are incompatible with those values. No loss there. Not conforming to an unacceptable status quo makes life harder, but doing the right thing usually does.

rainbowlunarian · 2023-07-04T02:54:08+00:00

Well, in my experience, it seems to be true unfortunately. The good thing, though, is that it's only a generality. In other words, there are women out there who will value you for who you are, or for the love and friendship you provide to them.

For example, there are many stories of women who stay with their husbands and boyfriends even when the guy loses his employment, or goes through some sort of crisis or life-changing event. Also, hopefully you have parents or family members who value you for who you are, and who don't try to take advantage of you.

I mean, it is really depressing to know that we're valued only for the work we do and the money we earn. But just remember that not all women (or people) are that shallow. Try to distance yourself from those types is people, and when you find someone who actually values you as a person, do everything you can to show your appreciation and keep them in your life (even just as friends, and regardless if they're women or men).

And forget about society. It's rigged against us, and is being intentionally set up for collapse. Just do what you can to prepare for yourself and your loved ones, and to position yourself to be able to help people who you think might be in need.

ElGobert · 2023-07-04T13:14:45+00:00

You start by letting your instinctive masculine drive be the captain.

The quote by Carlson resonates deeply with me. All throughout my adolescent I felt that I had to declaw myself to be accepted by society. I have been ashamed of my masculine qualities, I've felt that in order to be a good man I had to suppress them. To be a timid guy, to never dare to speak if it might offend someone, to blindly accept other people opinion of how I should act and behave.. all of this because that's what I've been implicitly told by our culture growing up.

This past year have been a rollercoaster for my mental state, both in terms of mental health but especially my mental model of the world and my place in it. It feels like having a funeral for my childhood. To bury the fantasies of youth and accepting that being born as a boy does not automatically mean that you will develop into a man. Man makes himself.

At first it will scare you. You might feel all kind of emotions when faced with the truth. I know I did. But after a while, at some point, you will accept that being a man comes with certain duties; and after a while you will realize that there is no bigger blessing than being born as a male. You are given the opportunity expand on the work of all your forefathers. To keep laying down the bricks that drives humankind forwards.

GO! Be your unapologetic masculine self. Give this life every single ounce of the essence that makes you, and let beauty blossom.

psychosythe · 2023-07-04T15:38:05+00:00

I put a lot of that manosphere crap in the same basket as conservative talk radio or those 'female rage' tiktokers.

They need you to feel awful so that you keep watching and they keep making money. They don't give a single fuck about anything else, they have their angle and they know if they fuck it up too much they'll lose views. So they just tell you everything's awful and no one cares about you to keep you scared and isolated and glued to your screen.

But yeah when women acknowledge your existence the first two things they're going to look for is how hot you are and how many signs of wealth you display. That's just ugly biology.

dath_bane · 2023-07-04T05:26:57+00:00

Meh, i live in a pretty balanced relationship with my gf. Good ppl exist and don't let ppl pressure you. Many femisists make bad experiences with men and social media often pushes the craziest/worst opinions. Bitter women and bitter men exist

2023-07-04T10:17:40+00:00

I think sometimes the manosphere is a bit like the broken clock analogy - right twice a day. And for someone who's struggling with identity issues and self worth, being right twice a day is better than being told you're never right.

DishPiggy · 2023-07-04T09:54:07+00:00

What is a manosphere?

big_meats93 · 2023-07-04T18:49:23+00:00

the internet allows people to confirm each others' most cynical possible views to each other. what we otherwise might have pushed down or kept private, we've now ripped away the filters and vomit into communal pools of shared brooding negativity and destroyed vision

in this age, deferring by default to the most negative possible version / view of reality allows a person to admonish themselves of all responsibility for the management of that reality. and a lot of people seem to crave that. then they can continue to descend into a mire of isolation and various addictions and blame it solely on other people as the problem. if everyone is doing that though, society on the whole will continue not looking so great. someone's got to make a turn somewhere.

what you're talking about is just one version, but there are many different shades and colors that appeal to many different people. but the outcome is the same: defeatism

take a break for a little while, from the whole internet if you can, and just interact with people "IRL". see if you feel any different.

2023-07-04T02:42:31+00:00

Sadly its adapt or die on this round earth. There may be hope Geomaxxing. Who knows.

Yesyesnaaooo · 2023-07-04T04:25:56+00:00

Don’t think of it as value extraction.

Think of it like this: women (and men) admire strength but strength takes many forms, some strength leads to wealth, some strength leads to compassion and some strength leads to offering protection and help.

You help people because you are strong.

However, some people are weak and these people also make money, and sometimes help people because people are taking advantage of them.

The question of attraction doesn’t come down to what you do but instead why you do it.

Ben Carson was a self promoting arrogant narcissistic ass hat and while he was strong some people admired him, what he displayed on Oprah was that in the end he was doing everything out of weakness and fear because when he lost he had no inner strength to fall back on.

The point isn’t to stop helping people the point is to do it from a position of strength, whatever that means to you.

MeisterMGTOW · 2023-07-30T05:55:41+00:00

‘Manosphere’ is a very broad term. I have no idea what you exactly mean by it.

Title	If what the 'manosphere' says about society is real, I don't wanna live in it.
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Date	July 4, 2023 2:08 AM UTC (5 months ago)
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