You would never say that to a woman

piercena15 · 2021-11-29T14:17:11+00:00

I won't try to convince you otherwise because not only do I see that in the world, but more importantly that is your experience. You are right that you are experiencing lack of support.
It breaks my heart every time I hear a man talk about how he just won't get the support he needs even when he asks for it. Usually this leads toward anxiety, depression, alienation, and potentially suicide. Our work, yes ALL men, is in directly asking for support when we need it knowing full well that someone may turn us away. IF that happens, we must continue to seek the support we need in other friends/family members or professional help if we can't get the support we need from our social structures.

I'm curious how this all affects you directly. Does it show up as your family saying YOU are aa failure? Does it show up as a partner saying all the relationship problems are your fault?

I see how this is a pattern in society but let's take it down to what's real for YOU and talk about how this directly shows up in your life. Once we identify this, we can come up with ideas to get your social-emotional needs met.

Metrodomes · 2021-11-29T11:44:59+00:00

Plenty of people do recognise that society, and the various structures that uphold it, affect men negatively. You need to surround yourself with people who actually call those structures out and work to change them. It looks like you and maybe the people you have surrounded yourself are only interested in seeing men as a target, with no interest in tackling the systems that affect men and others in our society.

This is why intersectionality is important. You knockdown one system, say lack of mental health support in this country, and that ain't going to do squat for people of colour, or people locked up in prisons who need mental health support. Knock down the prison system somehow, and you still have these carceral logics existing where people think you can just make bad treatment of workers unlawful and things will become hunky dory. If you manage to really address racism in our society, that's great but that doesn't change the fact that people are being locked up for the dumbest of reasons or that the education system is still a load of crap.

I get that it's hard to want to work with others when you don't feel like you're being supported or addressed. But I'm also a man and I see myself supported in many movements and groups that tackle various issues that I face. In finding multiple allies who want to liberate everyone from exploitative structures, I'll benefit from it too.

Title	You would never say that to a woman
Author	Sudden_Example_2177
Upvotes	28
Comments	3
Date	November 29, 2021 12:58 AM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit	/r/MenSupportMen
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