A little bit of performative masculinity, including "locker room talk" is positive and healthy for most males

anonymous_153283 · 2021-04-11T12:18:22+00:00

I’d love to point out that fact that I find it hilarious that feminists say locker room talk is ‘toxic masculinity’

Women have locker room talk just as much, if not more than men.

solarsalmon777 · 2021-04-11T16:16:19+00:00

500 IQ move by making the men in your example gay.

nokianich · 2021-04-11T14:59:30+00:00

Masculinity can't be toxic. Masculinity is a Masculinity nothing more and nothing less.

Morrighan1129 · 2021-04-11T22:01:26+00:00

Both genders do this.

It doesn't make it right... but it's literally 'guys being guys' and 'girls being girls'. There's a reason why most of our mothers warned us of 'locker room talk' -it's not polite to speak that way in public, but we'll all do it anyways in locker rooms.

It's sort of like getting angry at boys for masturbating: both genders do it, don't do it in public, and there's no issues.

clichebartender · 2021-04-11T15:10:53+00:00

I played (American) football for about 7 years total. Our locker room of 40+ straight guys was anything but toxic. Objectively straight and masculine guys engaging in borderline homo erotic bonding.

The penis showing game is a perfect example - the goal was literally to get other guys to unwittingly look at your penis.

Also, there’s no rule that says guys have to slap each other on the ass to say good job. It’s just socially accepted.

In summary - the locker room was the gayest place for straight guys.

2021-04-12T04:09:01+00:00

Who TF cares about locker room talk?😂...it’s humans being real.

2021-04-12T10:58:05+00:00

I've brought up the conversation of "what is positive masculinity?" so many fucking times to people, mostly to very little avail. Feminists hate it.

czerdec · 2021-04-11T22:47:56+00:00

I think you need to identify what is the specific objection to the "locker room talk", and maybe a misunderstanding about what "locker room talk" actually includes. Is it just saying you want to bang a particular woman? Or is it more sinister, eg. generalising all women as wanting to bang you, or as sluts, discussing or approving plans to forcibly have sex with a woman (ie. rape)? If stuff like that never occurs as part of "locker room talk", then many of the objections to it can probably be dismissed.

The problem with the metaphor of the gay soccer team is that they're all gay men, including, presumably, the referee so there is no out-group to generalise about. Still, there is a line where the discussion about banging the referee crosses from friendly objectification to something more predatory.

(Sidenote: I actually knew some guys on a gay rugby team, but I never attended the locker room.)

Popo405 · 2021-04-12T06:33:02+00:00

It’s not healthy it’s weird

alclarkey · 2021-04-11T16:34:37+00:00

The longest lasting discussion I've seen around locker room talk was after Trump saying grabbing women by the pussy was locker room talk.

Would you say that was healthy locker room talk? Here's the transcript if you need a refresher - https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37595321

czerdec · 2021-04-11T21:08:58+00:00

What exactly is 'banging the referee'? Sounds a bit like toxic masculinity to me.

Half-blind-bear · 2021-04-12T22:09:54+00:00

I disagree. I don't know about the overall benifit of this behaviour I've never seen a study on it but from personal experience that kind of talk often comes from a place of anxiety or fear and is used to cover for men's genuine issues.

I think if you didn't talk about banging the hot chick at the front desk you might have to talk about your family issues or the work problems you have been having. At the same time we are ok to let people do that because we don't want to deal with other people's shit. We just want to work out, laugh and go home pretending like everything's fine.

I'm not saying every time you are with your friends you need to have deep spiritual conversations but it's my opinion that by lowering the tone and talking about superfluous shit you are preventing your friends from sharing.

Title	A little bit of performative masculinity, including "locker room talk" is positive and healthy for most males
Author	czerdec
Upvotes	149
Comments	74
Date	April 11, 2021 10:53 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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