All-new South Park episode "Safe Space" is amazing. Thank you Trey Parker and Matt Stone

The conservatives have the TEA Party. It's their fringe group of in-your-face, frequently ignorant, vehement assholes who insist everyone should think and act just as the TEA Party wants them to. Essentially, fans of conservative fascism.

We liberals have the SJWs. It's our fringe group of in-your-face, frequently ignorant, vehement assholes who insist everyone should think and act just as the SJWs want them to. Essentially, fans of liberal fascism.

Between these two groups are the rest of us. Some of us are on the left, some on the right, but we all agree that neither of these extremist groups are doing ANY of us any favors. In fact, they're making things worse for each respective side.

Most conservatives think that ALL liberals are just like the SJWs, when we're not.

Most liberals think that ALL conservatives are just like the TEA Party, but they're not.

These extremists are fucking it up for everyone by being the biggest douches in their respective ideological corner.

We need to stop listening to the squeaky wheels and pay attention to the wheels that fucking work properly. We may learn that the rest of the quieter, functional wheels actually have the ability to work together and get shit done when the squeaky ones aren't making us stop and grease them every other mile.

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I disagree. I'm just trying to point out that having only two main parties does not allow for nuanced and specific views, almost anywhere else in the world the two words have different meanings. I can completely see why someone who only follows US politics would not be able to see the distinction between the two terms, but re framing and misusing words does not help anyone.

Just look at the political compass: https://www.politicalcompass.org/images/bothaxes.gif

Left and liberal are not even on the same axis. You could have a liberal right winger, or an authoritarian left winger (thats pretty much what progressives are.) What this 2 party system has done is to almost completely eliminate any deeper understanding of politics than "oh hes left wing, shes right wing."

In reality it is much more complex than that.

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The term progressive derives as an opposite to the term "conservative".

A conservative is someone who supports the status quo. A progressive is someone who wants to change the status quo to something newer. A reactionary is someone who wants to revert the status quo to something older.

Note that only conservatives can agree on a clear idea of their perfect world: it's just the way things are currently.
Reactionaries also agree on some clear ideas of their perfect world: it's how things used to be. The almost always have some very rose tinted warped view of the of the past though.
Progressives can't really agree on what their perfect world wold be like. It's all in the vast cosmos of possibility, and everyone has different ideas. They only agree on that it can't be too much of how things are and used to be.

The republican party is falling apart because the reactionaries and the conservatives are at each others throats.

Funnily enough, Hillary is a poster conservative as well. She supports everyone and everything that supports the status quo, i.e. those currently in power and wealth because they can give her the most support.

But what are liberals? Liberals are a special brand of reactionaries with a completely unrealistic and warped view of the past. They believe independent people interacting in a free market magically solves all problems. Not that different from contemporary communists with their unrealistic and warped idea of the future where free people interacting in independent communities magically solves all problems.

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However, there seems to be quite a lot of actions that hurt other people intentionally or not, and to that end I support regulation.

This is exactly where the idea of the tragedy of the commons comes from. We are inherently selfish. Either individually or through our tribe. There have been plenty of times in our recent history where companies operated largely outside of regulation - 1700-1900's. The exploitation of the poor and vulnerable was rampant. People complain about unions and regulations, but there was a time when these were seriously needed. These came about as a response to the exploitation. They brought the middle class to this country. Now the pendulum swings the other way. What do we see? Companies move over seas, pensions dissolved, a lack of well paying low-skilled jobs. The median income dropping, while the income and wealth of the top 1% rising. This is why I don't buy PART of the libertarian argument. Companies are going to operate in their own self interests and people too.

edit: Other than this I have no strong feelings against the libertarian argument. I think people should be free to live like they choose as long as they aren't hurting others. Smoke pot, own guns, whatever. However I think ensuring that education is available to all of the people in our country regardless of income is also important.

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The way I understand it, the term "Progressive" originated among leftists in the US (i.e. The Progressive Era) partly to get away from the bad name that liberals had given themselves at the time. Now, too, a lot of leftists have moved away from the liberal label after it has been trashed yet again. Except that a lot of them are the same people who trashed liberalism to begin with. So now they are both trashed. There is no real difference, apart from the labels and whatever No True Scotsman arguments that are made in defense of those labels. I very much doubt that there is a big difference even in Europe. You have more political parties with more diverse platforms than the US but the difference between some referring to themselves as liberal while others progressive is rather meaningless.

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Title	All-new South Park episode "Safe Space" is amazing. Thank you Trey Parker and Matt Stone
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Date	October 22, 2015 9:30 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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