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An interesting thought. I know people here will agree but I think it's worth pointing out.

MikeyLarsen

July 13, 2019

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If you hate women or if you engage in behaviours that show this, you are a misogynist.

If you engage in toxic actions or behaviour against women, and you are a woman, that is "internalised misogyny".

If you hate men or if you engage in behaviours that show this, you are a misandrist (I don't care if you think that's mispelled reddit. It is a word!)

If you engage in toxic actions or behaviour against men, and you are a man, that is "toxic masculinity".

Funny how it's not "internalised misandry" huh?

(this is obviously besides the fact that feminists seem to push this agenda that "toxic masculinity" is perpetrated by men against men... when it's fairly clear that more women engage in toxic masculinity than men do. judging by social media posts nowadays. I hate those sexist words so much but I am just using it for example.)

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Title	An interesting thought. I know people here will agree but I think it's worth pointing out.
Author	MikeyLarsen
Upvotes	0
Comments	5
Date	July 13, 2019 1:14 AM UTC (5 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/ccjdgw/an_interesting_thought_i_know_people_here_will/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/an-interesting-thought-i-know-people-here-will.873683 https://theredarchive.com/post/873683

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

[–]MikeyLarsen[S] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]MikeyLarsen[S] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I never said all feminists hate men... it's very telling how you jumped to that when what I said was "the same feminists who hate men?"

That is no indication I meant ALL feminists. Considering how readily people consider ALL MRAs the same as incels or niceguys I think it's rather rich.

No I'm not PMing "because you don't want masstagging." What a silly excuse to not want to discuss this publicly.

I'm not missing the point. Here is what my university said when 200 people in the feminist sphere at the university complained that the university would dare to celebrate international mens day for ONE DAY when IWD gets a full week. Over 4000 people signed a petition to have it reinstated. It was ignored.

The reason they gave is "for equalities sake" and to "focus on womens issues" when NOTHING would take away from their precious little day if men got a day to highlight... oh... little things like skyrocketing suicide rates, homelessness etc.

Further to your comment about gender roles... if these people who created the term "toxic masculinity" believe it's so seperate from "internalised misandry" then why is is "toxic masculinity" and not "(enforcing) toxic gender roles"? Hm?

It would literally detract not one bit from the message and yet people still push the sexist term. You ever wonder why people who like to use it also like to explain it as if people don't understand the true meaning of it? MAYBE it's because the term is sexist at it's very core and no amount of feminist literature is going to change that immutable fact. It. Is. Sexist. I don't care if you've got a damn PhD in gender studies. It. Is. Sexist.

And I will not stand for double standards targeting masculinity and forcing it through the lens of femininity to filter out what people don't like.

Even then, let's consider toxic GENDER ROLES. Literally EVERYONE male I have spoken to has said that we have no problems opening up to other males (crying, sharing etc.) and it is WOMEN who are the ones who do not accept men when they open up. They are punished for the very thing women ask or tell them to do. And then to be told "Ahhh it's the other men in your life that don't accept it!"

No.

It is not true. It is PROVABLY untrue. This disingenuous reframing of mens identities and the very essence of masculinity being the target or undue scutiny is not on. Women wouldn't like it if we said their very essence is not right. So it is both ways. Or it SHOULD be, but some people are adamant. Wrongly so.

After all this. To address your PM. You seem to make quite a few assumptions about my own intentions (and even lied about what I have actually said) in order to grandstand and look down your nose at me. I suggest you eat some humble pie and come back to me when you have your big boy/girl pants on.

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[–]MikeyLarsen[S] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

No, you've glossed over most of what I have said to target the thing you think you can go for.

No. Toxic masculinity is a sexist term. Toxic femininity is not even addressed when it causes a great deal of damage to peoples lives. But the people controlling the narrative don't care about that because it would mean dealing with some very unfortunate realities such as women being just as likely to be the abuser or the subject of false allegations and revenge accusations.

That's also a cop out answer "oh the people YOU interacted with are just shitty and so your opinion is invalid."

I'd like to tell you to f*ck right off but I think you would just focus in on that so you don't have to address things you don't want.

"no one in particular is the designated purveyor of toxic masculinity" no, you're making a strawman here. I never suggested there even was a purveyor of it. I'm suggesting, no I am stating that it is a sexist term created and used by feminists in order to target aspects of masculinity they don't like and shift the social acceptability of something that doesn't even exist

They push this narrative of men calling each other pussies as "toxic" when the very perspective of that is forced through the mind of femininity. You don't get to dictate that. You don't get to define what we actually mean by that.

They push it as this "degrading and demeaning" message when it is not that, it is a call to action. A call to face what you feel (notice how this is at odds with the term "toxic masculinity" hm.) and overcome it as a man.

I'm not having masculinity be defined and molded by someone who has never... not once... for one day... even lived or experienced what it is to be a man.

They wouldn't like us defining their own identities and minds like that so they have no right nor no standing to be able to speak over our own perspectives to TELL us what happens in our own heads

I will never stop knowing that and until men stop being given criminal records for having the fucking audacity to be beaten by their SOs, until men stop having their lives ruined over lies and then being told that their life being ruined doesn't matter bEcAuSe ItS aCtUaLlY ReAlLy RaRe To Be FaLsElY aCcUsEd (you know that link in my last reply you ignored? On the very same day a man committed suicide because he was FALSELY accused), until men stop being told that their very feelings are fucking against nature, until men stop being told that "there's support out there!" by people who don't know there isn't in some places so fuck you, until men stop being sexually assaulted and raped and then being told by women that it's not bad because more women suffer through it.

Until then I will fight against this insidious sexism permeating through society today.

There. See what you can pick through and ignore to form your next reply. See what you can conveniently ignore to suit you.