Being a girl in this subreddit

EmirikolWoker · 2021-11-08T09:21:36+00:00

simply guys hating women.

Can you link to examples? That would indicate your threshold and the upvote/downvote ratio would indicate whether such views are held by the wider community.

We'd also need indicators that the people posting those things were guys, or even men's rights advocates - we have a lot of feminists here who post inflammatory things, and there was a trend a while ago of people making wholesome posts and then edit them to something abhorrent to make it look like a lot he positive comments were supporting horrendous things, then posting screenshots to places like Shit Reddit Says or Against Mens Rights.

Reddit1984Censorship · 2021-11-08T09:26:43+00:00

Incel is a slur for men, the equivalent of whore or slut.

Is sexual shaming it means ''Involuntary Celibate'' wich implies that those men are uncapable of controling their sexual urges and that they need womens permision for sex to be respected.

Women are shamed for being promiscous, sluts, men are shamed for being virgins, it has always being this way, but feminism of course only sees the women side and pretends men are not sexually shamed.

So first of all stop calling men ''whores'' and wondering why they seem to hate women like you.
Imagine if i go to the feminist sub and i say ''here it seems like you are a bunch of sluts i wonder why you cant be reasonable with me''.

TAPriceCTR · 2021-11-08T09:51:37+00:00

First look at these demons for what they really are rather than propaganda written about them... think of them with the same compassion you would a woman.

Consider about the belligerent bitchy landwhale... her weight makes her undesirable and while everyone deserves love, that causes her to fail in this most basic of human desires... nobody owes her commitment but understanding that doesn't make the failure to achieve this biological imperative any less damaging and because of the hurt this causes, this "black pill" develops some behaviors which magnify their undesirability further blackpilling them.

Now imagine they don't have the feminist and body positivity movement endlessly supporting them, but instead almost every segment of society demonized them partly for things beyond their control and partly for the coping mechanisms they've developed for their lack of romantic success... if this isn't enough to let you understand their position then I doubt you are sincerely trying.

Author Mary Shelly wrote about the phenomenon of incels long before the term was coined. Frankenstein made life, not a monster... even Frankenstein rejecting his creation didn't turn it into a monster, it wasn't until all of society, including those who he personally served, rejected him that he snapped and became a real monster. At this point it became too late for platonic love to save him and only Frankenstein building him a bride (which he refused to do) would suffice.

Incels don't hate women... they hate that they can't hate women. They hate their instinctive desire that they can neither fulfill nor suppress. No, nobody owes them sex... but a little compassion and not condemning them would go a long way. Also... as for how monstrous they become... the media makes a big deal of the less than 1 attack per year by these broken souls, but no attention is paid to the hundreds who simply kill themselves per year.

LondonDude123 · 2021-11-08T09:30:17+00:00

so, as the title says im a girl in this subreddit and the reason i joined was to gain perspective. i think its extremely important we dont only highlight womens rights and womens issues but also mens.

"We" being Feminists right? Just out of interest, hows that going for you...

the issue im having is that alot of the posts in here come off as ”incel” posts or simply guys hating women. Is this because im a woman only seeing men talk about women badly or are alot of ppl in this sub actually incels? lmao

You've fallen into the trap of "If a man says something bad about a girl, hes an incel". Its okay, Feminists jumped on this with open arms. You just need to read whats being written, and try to identify legitimate grievances and criticisms. A very small minority of people here are Incels, however lots of MRAs talking points are shared with Incel Groups. Again, try to identify if theyre legit or not before you make a judgement.

i think its good to have a subreddit where men can talk to other men about the issues theyre having, but alot of the posts in here seem to just be encouraging each other to hate women?

Could you give examples of these posts? Blind hatred isnt right, but actual critiques are okay. You might be blinded by bias, and thats okay. Just be sure to double-take and correct for it before screaming "Incels".

what im most interested in is what would you guys say that we need to do (society, individuals, women etc) to help men?

First of all, identify Feminism as a hate movement, and start undoing all the systematic racist and sexist stuff that Feminism supports. Yes, I did use the words Racist and Sexist. If its against White Men, because they're White Men, its racist and sexist, by definition.

i think that if we want a world where we’re all equals n accepted we need to stop dividing different groups apart so much, and come together instead, help each other and listen to each other.

Absolutely 100%. Its they rich fuckers that love this. Its a pretty famous line from the film "A Bugs Life" where Kevin Spacey says "They outnumber us 100 to 1, if they ever realize this we're screwed". The Elite WANT us fighting among ourselves.

Funnily enough, Men are HAPPY to help out Women. We've been doing it for thousands of years. It kinda gives you a purpose. Women on the other hand are the more anti-support group of the two genders. Start fixing your own side first...

MrMirage2YT · 2021-11-08T09:37:07+00:00

Mate, You can't be equal. Just beacause we're the same species doesn't mean we're the same people, so You can't have equality everywhere.

kanniget · 2021-11-08T10:28:12+00:00

May I ask, why is it that "incel" is a derogatory term aimed at women, even ones who claim to be considering the issues me face.

"Incel" is supposed to be involuntary celibate.... But the women that claim to be struggling to find a decent man are just as involuntarily celibate as men. They may be able to get regular sex but so are most of the men... There is no difference between sleeping with a random stranger to get off and paying a prostitute...

So why are men incels and women strong and Independent....

The reason so many men are sounding like "incels" is because they have been significantly hurt. Just like how most of the women who are extremely misandrist have been hurt.

shortman162cm · 2021-11-08T09:16:05+00:00

First designate feminism as a hate movement

fryhldrew · 2021-11-08T11:29:00+00:00

Like the other commenters said, it is certainly possible that you get such "vibes" from this sub.

However, the main reason for that are laws. I don't know how much you have perused this sub, but if you have read them, and read them carefully, you will see that most problems being talked about are directly related to the law. Simply put, the law is on women's side now.

The simplest example would be a false accusation. A simple false accusation is enough to essentially ruin a man. Even if the accusation was proved false, he is no longer given a place in society. If you know such a man, ask him.

AbaloneSilent5810 · 2021-11-08T11:33:41+00:00

you don’t need to come here for perspective.. just look at how the legal system screws over men.. you sound like have a defensive mind set for this community and probably think of posts as mansplaining without understanding context..

Dispositionate · 2021-11-08T15:43:24+00:00

Have you ever noticed how women who say "real men cry" are also the same ones posting pics of themselves with cups, saying they love "drinking male tears?"

I'm the father of a very bright, very loving 6yr old son, and it genuinely scares me what kind of world he'll grow up in. His chance of suicide is higher, less likely to get custody of/see any kids he may ever have, maybe have his life ruined by false accusations (even if they're proven 100% false).

He'll be expected to be financially secure with a good job, but men have lower scores across the board in schools & higher education. Society will treat him like a potential rapist simply for being a man, and if he's attacked by an angry ex and defends himself he's still more likely than her to be the one getting punished.

Also, the amount of Men's Rights marches/rallies that are disrupted by "feminists", when they only want to highlight the above issues, is absurd. Even more so that it's never mentioned in the media.

Women have a lot more advantages than they think (or let on) in society, but to highlight those means you'll be branded a misogynist - yet women can openly post online about wanting to abort potential babies if they find out they're male because they "don't want to raise a rapist", or drag men with false accusations born from their own malice at not getting what they want.

Seeing all of this makes me worry about my son's future constantly, all the while he just enjoys being a kid and being blissfully unaware of what's to come.

SolarEngine89 · 2021-11-08T11:14:35+00:00

the issue im having is that alot of the posts in here come off as ”incel” posts or simply guys hating women. Is this because im a woman only seeing men talk about women badly or are alot of ppl in this sub actually incels? lmao

Nah. It is because TRP had been banned this year, and a lot of people migrated over here. I have been on this sub like within a year and a half from different accounts, and I tell ya, there is a difference in overall thone of the discussions then and now. Far more angry posts, etc.

Yeap, I understand, guys need to vent, I am just saying about the changes.

what im most interested in is what would you guys say that we need to do (society, individuals, women etc) to help men?

Well, we need, actually, to help not precisely men, but make some changes for everybody.

School system, Healthcare, High Ed system, custody laws, retirement.

Like take away gender bias in laws. Equal punishments, equal decisions, custody gets the one, who is able to look for a child.

Abolish quotas. Forever. Yes, some things are better done by men, others by women, on average. So be it.

You are interested in what? In better working system or in an idpol theater of absurd?

Laws first and foremost. Attitudes change far more easy, than laws.

Ah, yes, and also click out politics from campuses and schools. I mean all that fake-pepfessors of gender discrimination studies.

When young people will be adult enough, they are free to catch any ideological virus they like. Until then - keep your hands off them.

Extra-Strike2276 · 2021-11-08T11:23:44+00:00

Just look around and start paying attention. So many tv shows show a women abusing a man to a laugh track, news articles point out how many women die even when the majority are men or how men suffering effects women most, and how the law works towards men compared to women. Start researching articles and finding the source, just to see how they twist research into pushing ideas out. That doesn't just apply to mens issues but everything now. There are so many lies passed around as fact now. I honestly think the world is to far divided at this point to fix things, but there still may be a chance.

Flashy_Glove6208 · 2021-11-08T14:11:17+00:00

Hi OP,

I'm sorry to break it to you but your generation and generations after you will feel the consequences.

In manosphere all over the place the message is the marriage is dead. Feminism by changing divorce and family laws and promoting promiscuity killed it big time.

Men go MGTOW, red pill, hookups, you name it, but they avoid marriage/ cohabitation like a plague.

Check crude marriage statistics to verify what's been said. Men, good women of your generation and generations after are the most affected. Chances to fulfill a family dream with a lifelong partner are very slim.

Snek1775 · 2021-11-08T09:33:14+00:00

First, how old are you, you say "girl" not woman? Are you a minor?

2021-11-08T14:40:28+00:00

Truth is we do nothing. We get no support every time someone protest. Infact they just get ridiculed. Really I think we're just at a time where we just got to wait until this social man hate faze runs its course or gets serious enough that we get taken seriously for anything to change.

There's a lot of angry people on here and most are just men who've had many hard experiences where they have been ignored or looked down for because they're a man. Many just want equal help or equal value in society but asking for it makes us evil in the eyes of many. It's why the incels groups are growing in number. More and more men are being left isolated with no help apart from people on online hate groups. Its really sad and the more it happens the more the men are evil narrative grows.

All anyone can do is just be supportive to any male friends having a rough time. It can be really hard to find someone to listen. A little compassion can really help espeshaly if they've never experienced it.

AgincourtSalute · 2021-11-08T10:21:52+00:00

“Being a girl in this subreddit”

Just that fact alone is a thing of wonder. Women’s rights subreddits will ban you for simply participating here, and yet they claim to be for equality. Yet here you are welcome and have a post where you can openly use insulting words against the other members, and tell them that their thinking is faulty.

As a teenage girl you can post and tell men of all ages how they should behave as men, and get polite, constructive responses. As men we cannot even try to participate in the discussion at women’s rights subreddits; our views are simply not welcome.

What does this one fact alone teach you? Who are the ones who are willing to talk about equality and make progress, and who are showing hateful and bigoted tendencies?

And yet here you are, discussing with us how we need to to change. And here we are, conversing with you about it. Try posting a similarly themed question in the equivalent female subreddits and then start a timer to see how many seconds it is before you’re banned from there.

manbro7 · 2021-11-08T15:07:37+00:00

"Incel" = "slut, whore" Off to a good start by using "lol virgins" as an insult.

Remarkable-Cat1337 · 2021-11-08T09:24:00+00:00

why don't u go fix femcels instead

mistralol · 2021-11-08T11:52:01+00:00

To society? Well thats quite simple really. Take away the safty nets / systems which are preventing consequances to shitty decisions that people are making (or activly rewarding them). If they cannot be taken away directly cause of immeidate consequances they should be at least tapered and bounded to periods of time. Cause the biggest problem in society is exactly that the social safty nets are rewarding shitty decision making in the world.

So something that need completly reformed in most of the western world. Social safty nets, Divorce courts, Custody battles, Child support payments. Cause men sure as hell have no trust / respect for the system because its being abused by the women to abuse men.

Effectivly its not so much about "incels" but more like the western world has basically made it crazy from a legal perspective for men to actually have releationships at all.

To try to put that in some perspective a friend of mine recently went though a divorce. The average slary here is £23k and the legal costs (not the settlement) just cost him £35k in legal fee's. The outcome of that was so that he could see his daughter once a fortnight.

I saw in your other posts you are young. Still young enough to imagine what your outcome would be in a case like this https://pagesix.com/2021/05/26/brad-pitt-wins-joint-custody-of-kids-in-angelina-jolie-divorce/ Brad Pitt after 5-6 years winds right to see daughter. Imagine your parents went though a divorce when your aged 8. You don't see your father until your aged 14.... what impact would that have on your life?

Imagine being aged 12 when its starts and your 16 and your life is being decided by lawyers about which parent you can see, for how long and when and its completly out of your control?

Imagine the resentment when you realize your mother forced your father to fight for 5+ years in costly legal battles. Only to find out they spent £35k of money doing it.. (more that collage costs). Only for the decision / outcome to last for a period of 6-12 months because the child being faught over becomes "of age" and the court ruling no longer applies.

50% of marriages are failing. When things go to custody battles. 90% of the cases are being won by women.

You wonder why men have biterness towards women? Cause almost 50% of them go though this in life at some stage. Or they chose not to and they get called incels as a response instead.

For a lot of men its a zero sum game. Its a lose lose situation / outcome in almost every path in life even if yo make all the right decisions they often still lose.

CEOofHarassment · 2021-11-08T22:01:28+00:00

Hi AHS! How is Dean doing?

classicliberal1 · 2021-11-11T16:56:42+00:00

I just came across this forum, so not sure my opinions are representative of the group. I personally think that the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment is the most important law in the U.S. It should be enforced across all of U.S. society.

It means that gays can marry each other, but it also means that men cannot be drafted or forced to register for selective service. It means that both men and women must consent to becoming a parent, so child support cannot be required from a biological parent who did not consent and may have not even known about the child. It means that sentencing should not be disproportionate to people because of their race or sex. It means that alimony should not exist. (13th Amendment also applies to this as alimony is indentured servitude.) It means that male paternal rights are the same as and as important as female paternal rights. Equality under the law in all legal matters.

That said, I don't think we'll ever have a truly equal society as gynocentrism is deeply ingrained in our biology and genetic code. Evolution has forged both men and women into viewing male life as disposable and female life as precious because women are the limiting factor of reproduction. I don't see the masses overcoming biological instinct with rational thought because most people live life on evolutionary autopilot.

Title	Being a girl in this subreddit
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