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Title Female here πŸ™‹πŸ» avid supporter of men's rights
Author jnops69
Upvotes 7250
Comments 477
Date May 8, 2017 2:07 AM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit /r/MensRights
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[–]IamaspyAMNothing 923 points924 points  (44 children) | Copy Link

im a gril btw

[–]dingoperson2 154 points155 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

That gril is a spy!

[–]splodgenessabounds 45 points46 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

But it's covered in mashed potato: what sort of spy is that?

Answer: a shepherd's pie

(adapted from The Goons c. 1957)

[–]Imnotmrabut 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ah - Terminal Milliganitis

[–]finalremix 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

ALIAS is a show about a.. spy...

[–]Batbird 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Spah sappin mah male subreddit!

[–]EDDbDG 230 points231 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

right? How are posts like this allowed?

[–]Badgerz92 48 points49 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

It's not even OP, that girl is Lauren Southern

[–]EDDbDG 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I know, it doesn't make it any better. Pic or no pic, it's you or it's not you, this "hi i don't have anything special or interesting to post at this moment but I NEED EVERYONE TO KNOW I'M A GIRL" shouldn't be encouraged.

i support the MRM as well, but I don't need to go around telling people "I support it, but I'M A GIRL so that makes me extra special" to show my support for it.

[–]splodgenessabounds 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, u/IamaspyAMNothing isn't a girl: by their own admission they are a gril.

Which is an Entirely Different Thing altogether.

[–]itsjosh18 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I was about to say that's Lauren Southern.

[–]Jex117 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's Lauren Southern.

[–]_easy_ 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh I guess we're all saying that's Lauren Southern now.

[–]Xale8 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry Lauren is a man, you cis scum

[–]4RestM 43 points44 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

charcoal or gas? (plz plz plz be charcoal)

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I sell propane and propane accessories (I don't) (or do I?)

[–]EDDbDG 13 points14 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

What? I don't really know what that means in the current context. explain?

[–]4RestM 22 points23 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

DOH! I was meaning to respond to /u/IamaspyAMNothing They mentioned that they were a gril

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

whew! i thought this was another dark turn on internet meme highway.

[–]DrunkLostChild 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It is now

[–]theothermod 8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

They're a gril, not a grill.

[–]vijeno 9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Things /u/IamaspyAMNothing is not:

  • a grill
  • a grille
  • ever gonna give you up

[–]splodgenessabounds 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You are Rick Astley and I claim my Β£5 prize money.

[–]theothermod 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

/u/IamaspyAMNothing is Rick Astley and I claim my Β£5 prize money.

[–]splodgenessabounds 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bollocks he is.

Besides, I'm skint.

[–]IamaspyAMNothing 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You see with charcoal, you're not tasting the meat, you're most likely tasting the coals or lighter fluid.

Propane is clean-burning and efficient, so the only thing you'll be tasting is the juicy steak cooked on your Wagner Charking Imperiale, I tell ya hwaht

[–]novice_at_life 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Taste the meat, not the heat!

[–]LokisDawn 24 points25 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Whatever. People want to show their support. And for a "group" that is still seen as a bunch of misogynerds and basement virgins by much of the wider public, it can't but help.

[–]SeerInTheWood 15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It doesn't help with those two specific descriptors, no. It kind of reinforces them. See how you related having a picture of a girl on the forum as somehow alleviating the descriptor of virgin? That's not a rational connection to be making and reinforces the idea that you're oversexualizing even basic contact with women, which come across as unempathetic. And it places too much importance in her gender over the content of her post, a "pussy pass" to the front page.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Are you also Lauren Southern like OP?

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

a/s/l?

[–]ThatDrunkenScot 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, MSN

[–]mykol_reddit 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Grils don't identify their sex.

[–]Dembara 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

grill*

[–]spookypen 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Looks like Lareun Southern.

[–]E-werd 920 points921 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

"I BELIEVE INEQUALITY"

/r/keming

I know it's not intentional, but it seems like a bit of a Freudian slip considering context.

[–]seth1299 10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Did you mean r/kerning?

Edit: Nevermind, I just understood the irony of the name r/keming because the kerning of the title leads it to be read as keming...

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[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But muh upvotes teehee

[–]Cptn_Canada 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because its lauren southerns

[–]DonutofShame 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It is bigger and written in a different color though.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I love how the subreddit name is :P

[–]Ban_this_nazi_mods 233 points234 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

2 year old repost of a lauren southen picture?

fuck off OP.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Seriously. This retarded post should be removed.

[–]adroom 22 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

feel bad for the guy who gilded it

[–]bumblebritches57 167 points168 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

That picture has been circulating on Tumblr for years.

You're a damn karma farming liar, OP.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

OP also says that it is not her, it just resonates with her opinion.

And frankly the reason that people choose to keep who they are secret online is why you see people actually being able to to say what they want.

This is why Congress is voting to sell everyone's internet history. So that we no longer have anonymity and can be forced into silence.

Look at subredditdrama "exposing" a subreddit theredpill creator, as a smear campaign against the guy. I don't agree with everything on that sub, but I find it odd when people are trying to force people into silence almost like they are afraid of what others have to say especially if it's the truth

[–]MusicTheoryIsHard 1560 points1561 points  (335 children) | Copy Link

That's not what feminism is. If you base any ideology off of the most extreme members, you're going to have a bad view of it. That includes the Men's Rights movement.

[–]AloysiusC 36 points37 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

You should read this

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good link. Everyone should read it.

[–]ExpendableOne 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminism is, fundamentally, built on the false premise of female oppression and subjugation, which in of itself relies on the complete dismissal of women's privileges and men's devotion to women. It is, at its core, about female supremacy, misandry and special rights, privileges and entitlements. That is what feminism is, and it has nothing to do with extremists within that movement(which are still, scarily enough, far more accepted and supported than MRA extremists would ever be).

[–]cheshiredudeenema 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

How can you honestly, in good faith, say that it is the most extreme members only when it's the NOW, the AAUW, the Fawcett Society and countless other feminist groups, it's columnists for so many major news outlets (Independent, Guardian, Huffington Post, Buzzfeed) and it's what is being taught in gender studies courses as feminist theory. When we judge feminism in this way, we are basing that judgement on the most mainstream of elements. The argument that it's just a vocal minority holds no weight anymore. This IS feminism now: in academia, in media and in practice.

[–]Quintrell 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I see this sort of argument all the time like "oh well it's just the extremists that give feminism a bad name." Well I guess what used to be extremist feminism is now mainstream feminism. If the extremists have most of the power and influence it doesn't really matter if most self-identified feminists hold different views.

As far as I can tell when people say "extreme" what they really mean is patriarchal feminism and that is by no means a fringe element of feminism anymore.

[–]Lukendless 49 points50 points  (34 children) | Copy Link

That doesn't apply to egalitarianism... there is no reason to define your beliefs in a way which align you with extremists that you disagree with. You are responsible for the actions of groups that you choose to support.

[–]Strbrst 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Okay, but can't you argue those extremists, whomever they may be, aren't legitimate members of those groups? Just how people say that ISIS aren't legitimate members of the Islamic community, for example.

[–]toggl3d 74 points75 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, after that Eliot Rodger thing you'd think people would know better than to associate themselves with men's rights. Or men.

[–]bufedad 20 points21 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

You do realize that Eliot Rodger wasn't associated with the MRM in any way shape or fashion... right?

[–]the_unseen_one 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But how can they try to paint feminism in a positive light and denigrate MRAs unless they use emotions based lies?

[–][deleted] 21 points22 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Eliot Rodgers wasn't an MRA.

[–]DaBuddahN 14 points15 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I can't believe this sexist comment got upvoted so much. Gotta love the brigading.

This is literal tumblr bullshit right here.

Your comment is like saying people shouldn't be feminists because idiots like Valerie Solanas existed. Get real.

[–]Munchausen-By-Proxy 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's even worse than that, Valerie Solanas identified as a feminist, was widely praised by other feminists, exclusively targeted men, and her manifesto is still considered an important piece of feminist literature.

Elliot Rodger didn't identify as an MRA, has been condemned by basically everyone, killed more men than women, and nobody is interested in reading his manifesto.

[–]Badgerz92 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

after feminists lied about Elliot Rodger being an MRA you'd think people would stop associating with men's rights

why? Most people aren't dumb enough to believe every random lie feminists tell

[–]superhobo666 16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Eliot Roger wasn't an academic, a leader of a men's rights organization, or a wealthy celebrity using their money to push their agenda, nor was he a politician forcing his opinions into legislature, your argument is invalid.

[–]toggl3d 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

hahaha

someone actually said your argument is invalid

Oh god that is so much funnier than I was expecting.

Your reply isn't even germane.

[–]CyberToyger 52 points53 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

That's not what feminism is supposed to be

Fixed. Unfortunately, it's what organized and tangible Feminism is right now. What the average non-radfem believes in is irrelevant to what Feminist organizations are doing, and to the laws currently in place thanks to previous Feminist efforts, and to the resistance towards changing laws that are already in place. Feminism DOES include the man-hating types and giving women special treatment as reparations, because Feminism is a vague, broad ideology that simply describes the intended ends rather than the means -- "Equality of women to men".

If a Feminist thinks women will become equal to men by killing off a portion of men until there are an exact same amount of women to men in a geographic location, then guess what? That's still Feminism, because Equality has been achieved, an equal number of women to men. There would no longer be more men than women and thus a parity would be reached. Feminism is simply an ideology that starts with the presupposition that women are not equal to men yet in some fashion, that men are already in a perfect or near-perfect position in life with little to no problems. That's the fatal flaw with Feminism, you can judge it by the high number of "extremists", especially when they outnumber and out-activize the sedentary moderates.

[–]bartink 44 points45 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

How do you measure what most feminist groups are doing? This sounds like a big feels.

[–]bufedad 31 points32 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

NOW is the largest feminist organization in the US, if not the world, and they are currently fighting against shared custody being in divorces.

That's a good start.

[–]erin_rabbit points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

At the risk of starting a major shit show, I'd like to offer a differing perspective.

As far as I understand it, the reason NOW opposes automatic presumption of joint custody is that it doesn't take into consideration what is in the best interest of the child. That's not to say that joint custody is bad for children, but that it shouldn't be considered the automatic default. Currently the standard is to consider the parenting division from pre-divorce as default and then adjust from there based upon need (e.g. one parent unfit to care for, one parent gets a new job that means being unavailable, etc). IMO this makes sense because divorce is disruptive enough already for children, keeping things as stable as possible leads to the best outcomes. If one of the parents does the majority of parenting before, it makes sense to continue that arrangement unless something changes.

Here is a thread from askfeminists that talks about it.

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[–]Badgerz92 10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

most extreme members

we're not looking at extremist feminists. Mainstream moderate feminists are still against MRAs. We tried to work with feminists for a long time, the men's rights movement only became anti-feminist after we realized even the moderates were against us and refused to even acknowledge men's issues. Try to find any respected feminists who support men's rights.

[–]bufedad 15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hell, most of the MRA's used to BE feminists. Every MRA I've talked to personally left the feminist movement when they tried to work on men's issues and the feminists attacked them for it and threw them out.

[–]Badgerz92 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This. Warren Farrell started as a feminist activist fighting for women's rights.

[–]ThelemaAndLouise 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's feminism in almost all positions of power. Most active forms of feminism are about entitlements and supremacy.

So agreed, feminism per se is okay. It's just the effects and policies instated in the name of feminism are almost all cultural Marxism. Because the cultural Marxists stole the movement.

[–]SilencingNarrative 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

How is the idea that men as a group conspired against / took advantage of women as a group for most of history, not an assertion that women are morally superior to men?

If there is one belief that unites feminists, its that men have always conspired against women.

That's not an extreme view, that's very mainstream.

[–]guntermench43 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's fair to base it on the ones that are most active and most influential.

[–]Brusanan 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The "crazy" Feminism is mainstream Feminism. They have all of the influence in the media, and in politics.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/695m34/karen_straughans_response_to_those_arent_real/

[–]generic-user-1 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right. But why brand equality as "feminism"? We're past that point. Equality should just be equality. There's no need to prioritize the rights of males or females anymore.

[–]truthenragesyou 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No true scostman fallacy and stop lying. Supremacy and entitlement is exactly what modern western feminism is. All the laws are unequal. All the enforcement is unequal. You are a femnazi troll, you don't belong here. Delete your post and get out.

Besides, your statement is stupid on it's face. ALL groups have extremists, therefore by your lights all groups are evil. STFU and GFTO.

[–]IamaspyAMNothing 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No True Scotsman

Duluth Model is being applied in 30+ states. If that doesn't show what mainstream feminism is, then what does?

[–]aonome 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do you count feminist theory as "extreme?" What about feminist organisations that lobby the government in favour of sex discrimination? Have you ever taken a feminist college class?

[–]JorjMcKie 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The problem is those extreme members don't identify as such.

[–]obviouslyyou6 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why is there a segregation of everything, fuck women rights, fuck men rights, fuck white prilivlage, fuck it all..

Just treat everyone with respect and dignity. If we all treated each other how we wanted to be treated this world would be better off

[–]scaredofshaka 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminism takes for granted that all women are victims of the patriarchy. Wether or not the oppression is real, one will always have a difficult time determining if the roots of life's adversities are indeed patriarchy or something else, so there is a tendency to see any issue through that prism and becoming increasingly paranoiac. This is the same for any other victim-based ideology: racism, antisemitism, homophobia etc.

I think women could not have a stronger case in having a very strong women's rights movement, but feminism is not the most useful one and will invariably lead to excess.

[–]Andpeggy123 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not all feminism?

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Or any movement. Statistically 89% of us are chill AF and just want to get along.

[–]MackNine 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The ideology of feminism based on elimination of a imaginary patriarchy is indeed anti-male.

[–]superhobo666 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well considering the most extremist feminists are all academics, leading feminist organizations, or are somehow involved with law we kind of can say that about feminism. So yeah, take that no true Scotsman elsewhere.

[–]p3ngwin 7 points8 points  (52 children) | Copy Link

if you can point to a maybe 5 examples of feminism fighting for men's issues in the name of "equality", where women would address the gender imbalance and give up their "privilege" to benefit men, please do.

Else, feminism since the 1960's+ has devolved into female superiority at men's expense.

[–]scumah 95 points96 points  (35 children) | Copy Link

[–]NaughtyFred 14 points15 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

My intention is not to say feminism is equally about men as it is for women, it does certainly focus on women and is completetly fine doing so

Literally a quote from your link.

[–]mnmkdc 18 points19 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

There's nothing wrong with that quote though

[–]NaughtyFred 8 points9 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Aside from completely undermining the premise

[–]mnmkdc 3 points4 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

How is that different from this sub? This sub wants equal treatment and focuses specifically on men.

[–]bufedad 9 points10 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

How is that different from this sub? This sub wants equal treatment and focuses specifically on men.

We do not seek to harm women in our quest for equality. We simply want equality.

We would like to have the draft abolished, but if we cannot achieve that, women having the same responsibilities as men is equality.

We would like equal treatment under the law. Whether that is giving women 60% greater sentences for crimes they commit, or men 60% smaller sentences for crimes they commit, doesn't matter.

Equal treatment under the law: Family courts.

Equal protections under the law: Domestic violence (Men who report being victims of domestic violence to the police are more likely to be arrested than helped).

Equal protections under the law: False rape accusations: between 2 and 8 percent of reported rape accusations are false. Between 3 and 7 percent of reported rape accusations are true. Between 85 and 95 percent of reported rape accusations are neither true nor false.

[–]NonOpinionated 28 points29 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

This has been posted many times, those examples are nothing but platitudes and blog posts that are years old.

This list was discussed here already:

https://np.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3tf8lr/ask_feminism_on_reddit_pinned_a_series_of_links/?st=j2g0h5re&sh=09762b40

[–]Bewolfs 9 points10 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Yep, just feminist acedemics propaganda. Mixed with partial truth to convince people.

[–]NonOpinionated 16 points17 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Is it me or is this post being brigaded to shit?

[–]525days 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's on all. That's not what a brigade is.

[–]IamaspyAMNothing 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The top comment is "muh true feminism" which is one of the most bullshit arguments that's routinely debunked here.

/r/all isn't sending their best

[–]Bewolfs 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It happends sometimes when you post truth about feminism how they aren't being for equality.

Example:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/5uyaz0/what_feminism_would_stand_for_if_they_were_for/

[–]TheTabman 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

No, this post just reached /r/all, and now the rest of reddit just shows you what they think of your hateful ignorance.

[–]bufedad 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

How are we hateful, or ignorant?

[–]p3ngwin 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

ah that classic list of nonsense, where it has already been addressed as nonsense in that very thread since last year.

out of the few genuine feminist organisational efforts to address equality for men, there are many more feminist groups against the same solution because it would "harm women/and children".

the rest are simply articles, blog posts and other garbage.

show us one instance where feminist organisations have united towards equality, you know like how they united to define the CDC's version of rape, because each time one group supports men's issues, a larger group, or larger number of groups, are against it.

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Why are you determining feminism's validity based on how much it does for men?

[–]p3ngwin 13 points14 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

because feminism says men's rights groups aren't needed, due to feminism being for equality of both sexes, despite its name.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

If men's rights were an actual movement that tackles issues like men's imprisonment, high rates of suicide, lower education rates, and other things then feminists wouldn't have a problem with it. Instead it's just an online community of people who like to complain about how feminists don't do that work for them.

[–]NonOpinionated 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

karen straughan | Why do MRAs attack feminism?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2k86AaMfAY

[–]bufedad 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If men's rights were an actual movement that tackles issues like men's imprisonment

Not high on our priority list, not because we don't care, but because trying to get lighter sentences tends to be a non-starter at the moment.

high rates of suicide,

This is actually something we are working to tackle. You'll notice conferences on the issue, and campaigns on college campuses.

You'll also notice the attempt to spread awareness during International Men's Day... which feminists decried and have attempted (sometimes successfully) to quash.

lower education rates

We're working on that as well, but that requires a systemic change.

Feminists don't see an issue with this, and are fighting... but still, we work in spite of that.

and other things then feminists wouldn't have a problem with it.

Feminists have a problem with any equal rights group that isn't feminists. period. They don't care about the good they do, or the reason they exist, they are anti-nonfeminist.

[–]p3ngwin 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If men's rights were an actual movement that tackles issues like men's imprisonment, high rates of suicide, lower education rates, and other things then feminists wouldn't have a problem with it.

Let me get this straight, you're saying feminists attack men because men aren't solving their own issues ?

Instead it's just an online community of people who like to complain about how feminists don't do that work for them.

Right, because feminists don't blame men for their own problems, while self-damseling themselves to the point they have no agency,m from sexual consent when drunk, to needing standards be lowered because they can't achieve them when things are already "fair" E.G. police, firefighting, military training, etc.

When men get drunk, they are rapists, but when women get drunk, they are not responsible for their actions right ?

https://www.louderwithcrowder.com/jake-josie-hook-drunk-josie-just-raped-jake/

Yet when men turn the tables on this misandrist nonsense, the feminists rage in retaliation, i guess equality isn't the agenda right ?

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/07/10/dont-be-that-girl-posters-edmonton_n_3575338.html

How many times have feminists invented words to explain faux-problems, from "mansplaining", to "man flu", all the way to "rape culture", to create hysteria and misandry ?

Instead it's just an online community of people who like to complain about how feminists don't do that work for them.

so sorry you think today's men's right's efforts aren't doing enough to combat centuries of outdated chivalry, from saving women and children first, to alimony, conscription, etc while also fighting modern feminists who are nothing more than misandrists.

Maybe we're being stupid not to take advantage of all the government financial aid, programs, services, etc that are on offer to males....owait.....

  • breast cancer gets funded 20x more than men's cancer,
  • men have no DV shelters compared to endless funding for women's shelters,
  • male suicide and homeless rates dwarf female rates,
  • the entire legal system is gynocentric from divorce law to child custody, etc ...

but men's issues aren't being addressed by men because it's our own fault /s

Let me put my foot on your neck and ask why you aren't solving your problems....

[–]jrxannoi 14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

To take that a step further, it feels like men's rights groups are more or less organized for the sake of trying to take down feminists through less than savory methods (smear campaigns and shaming) rather than actually being about issues that affect men more predominantly. It's self serving just for the sake of attention.

[–]Throwawayingaccount 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Man, you guys are too busy defending yourselves to get stuff done. I guess I'd better attack you more."

[–]a-man-from-earth 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Did you miss the sticky at the top of this sub?

[–]IIHotelYorba 5 points6 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. Most KKK members didn't kill people. They just wanted to protect their family and country.

...See, we can make up excuses for anyone if we use that rationale. Core beliefs count. Goals like protecting your family/gender equality takes on a different meaning when your definition of it includes draconian control of an entire race/sex because you smear them as savage and morally inferior.

[–]Zandernator 46 points47 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

That has to be the strawiest man I've ever heard.

[–]IIHotelYorba 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like you don't know the first thing about feminism because I just described making sexist laws to defeat the patriarchy (a conspiracy theory that demonizes men.)

[–]splodgenessabounds 2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

154 upvotes in 2 hours? What a cunning stunt.

What you and your brigade conveniently ignore in your "you can't judge Feminism by its extremists' utterances" claptrap is that the ideals you hold Dear and True are based on dodgy (if not outright false) premises.

Hannah Wallen puts it better than I could. Watch and learn children (yes, that means all of you in the brigade)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But when does the vocal minority become the norm? Because a lot of these vocal minorities seem to be calling shots now....

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

agreed feminism shouldnt be about woman's supremacy but it's so often appropriated as such that the academic view that theres toxicity to it is justified. does that mean u write off all feminists or feminism? no. but when scum manifesto sjw type feminism becomes the norm people should be made aware!

[–]hedgecore77 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think we get feminism and chauvenism confused far too often.

chauΒ·vinΒ·ism ˈSHōvΙ™ΛŒnizΙ™m

noun

exaggerated or aggressive patriotism.

excessive or prejudiced loyalty or support for one's own cause, group, or gender.

[–]outlooker707 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Who the fuck cares??

[–]FruitierGnome 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes it is.

[–]the_unseen_one 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It really is though if you look at the actions of feminism as a whole and not the words of feminism.

[–]00Jacket 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I love that this is your only comment on this subreddit.

[–]rested_green 88 points89 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Are we really allowing this here?

[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not only allowing it, but upvoting it highly.

[–]theworldendswithyou2[🍰] 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's just a women holding a sign.

[–]rested_green 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's exactly my point.

[–]King_Caelestis 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not even OP.

[–][deleted] 56 points57 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

She is legally a man!

[–]BIG_GAPING_CUNT 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Why? Can people just do that?

[–]Deivv 12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes

As to the why, to show how easy and non oppressed it actually is for people wanting to change their gender

[–]ShiverinMaTimbers 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

She also uses it as a way to shut down women activists who are being insane. With great effect

[–]the_unseen_one 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

she

Please use his preferred pronouns, please and thank you.

[–]Imnotmrabut 125 points126 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

I'm quite stunned that this thread is being upvoted when the OP content is so devoid of detail or relevance.

It seems like there is a Pavlovian Response with men drooling reactively to the stimuli of a female image and imprimatur purporting to support men's rights and issues.

This smacks of Uber Trolling and group manipulation. I know I'll be screamed at for pointing this out, but the dynamics of group psychology and manipulation are all clearly articulated in this one thread.

[–]Throwawayingaccount 26 points27 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sadly, female MRAs are significantly more influential than male ones. Because men just get accused of looking out for their own interest and not knowing how hard women have it. Ideally, it shouldn't matter, and we should be working to a world where it doesn't matter. But that is not the world we live in, so for now, we must recognize this fact.

[–]Imnotmrabut 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup the Women Are Wonderful Effect is a bugger where it Madonnafies all women and Dehumanises all men.

"The Women-Are-Wonderful Effect"
"The idea that people are prejudiced against women has been a standard assumption both of social psychologists who have studied gender-related attitudes and stereotypes and of feminists committed to social change. Because the term prejudice generally refers to negative attitudes toward members of a social group, the issue we examine in this chapter is people’s attitudes toward women in the sense of their general evaluation of this social group.... Recent (1994) research thus suggests that both women and men evaluate women more positively than men - a finding that we dub the women-are-wonderful effect. These findings are provocative in the light of claims concerning negative attitudes and stereotypes about women.
Eagly, Alice H., and Antonio Mladinic. "Are people prejudiced against women? Some answers from research on attitudes, gender stereotypes, and judgments of competence." European review of social psychology 5.1 (1994): 1-35. doi:10.1080/14792779543000002

[–]ExpendableOne 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Given the top upvoted comments(NAFALT), it looks like there's some significant brigading going on.

[–]Imnotmrabut 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I suspect that has been the plan from the outset.

[–]Throwawayingaccount 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't think it was a plan, so much as the natural consequence of hitting r/all

[–]Imnotmrabut 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So they wouldn't plan to hit r/all ?

That aint very cunning are they!

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Equality? Entitlement? Supremacy? Calm down, this is what feminism is today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP-lpEOVcmY

I tought this would fit in here.

Edit:

Wow, r/feminism banned me from this post:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Feminism/comments/69nigw/i_want_to_know_what_people_here_think_fake/

Guys, what the hell is going on? I have realized during past months rationalizing about some "feminism facts" that doesn't make sense and people have been bullying me and banning me from different subreddits. Read that post I made and tell me where I was actually saying something bad about real feminism. It seems everywhere on Reddit people are trying to stop rational thinking about feminism and they just want feminism to "win". Remember what some kind of ideologies like fascism (hey Hitler) does?

[–]RaptorVader 256 points257 points  (29 children) | Copy Link

Jesus Christ what do yall define feminism as? Perhaps there is in fact an application of feminism you'd agree with?

[–]Macismyname 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It doesn't matter what I define feminism as. Because there is no universally accepted version. I wouldn't even go so far as to say I disagree with how most feminists see feminism.

End of the day though, it's just easier for me to say I'm an egalitarian.

[–]Dembara 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Feminism: a movement and ideology emerging in the 19th century based on the liberation of women and advocacy for women's rights, based upon the beliefs of historic and existing oppression of women, often on the grounds of equality.

Most feminists would agree to this definition. The problems with it are inherent.

[–]RubixCubeDonut 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

To expand on this, the issue in play is one that plagues pretty much any ideology that makes a claim about the nature of reality: ardent refusal to actually question that fundamental assumption.

Ironically, in its zealous ramblings it has generated many tools which, when removed from their feminist underpinnings, demonstrate feminism to be the useless piece of shit it's always been because they actually demonstrate the complete opposite of feminist claims.

The two most powerful examples that come to mind are "rape culture" (which much better fits how society treats the rape of males by a long shot) and "benevolent sexism" (which much better explains discrepancies such as the "wage gap" than the feminists god-of-the-gaps theory).

[–]Dembara 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. Regardless of the state of affairs, it requires that women are being oppressed and we need to support more rights for women to get equality.

[–]Throwawayingaccount 15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The problem with feminism, is it sounds like an abusive relationship.

"No, let's focus on our problems, not yours, ours are worse.

Okay, so discriminating against men and mutilating male's gentitals is legal. But that's the patriarchy's fault. You know men's.

All of those problems are YOUR fault men, and your only salvation is through feminism."

Doesn't that sound like an abusive relationship to you? Blaming them for their problems by using language that strongly implies blame, and when called out on it, pulling a motte and bailey.

We reject this idea that blaming men for their problems will fix everything.

[–]Badgerz92 35 points36 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

There are feminists we agree with. Christina Hoff Sommers, Karen Decrow, Cathy Young, etc are feminists that are respected among MRAs. But the feminists who support equality are usually hated by other feminists. This post is referring to the majority of feminists, because while not all feminists are anti-male it's obvious that most are

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This post is referring to the majority of feminists, because while not all feminists are anti-male it's obvious that most are

This is such a cheap attempt at concern trolling I had to make an account to tell you that you are a small minded person with the reasoning skills of a child.

You're throwing around these cheap terms like "majority", "usually hated", "while not all... but most!" with absolutely zero data besides your anecdotal feelings to back it up. What you are doing is creating an argument that can't outright be denied because it's so bloody vague and at the same time putting the all feminists in the same basket with a reverse "few bad eggs" type blame pattern.

Posts like this is why nobody takes MRA seriously. The people and opinions that are considered respectable in the community are an absolutely travesty of rhetoric, dialogue and common sense.

[–]Munchausen-By-Proxy 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

TL;DR: Agree that feminism is awesome or I won't respect you!

You people really are garbage. You talk about common sense, but you defend a fucking cult.

zero data

Opinions can't always be backed up by empirical data. My opinion is that the majority of US Republicans are assholes, but there is no defined empirical measure for "asshole" so no data is available. Now are you going to make an account and go trolling /r/esist, /r/marchagainsttrump, etc., where people hold similar opinions? I somehow doubt it.

What MRAs do have is the experience that people who defend feminism are generally guilty of the things they claim don't represent feminism. And you, with only two posts, managed to prove that, by claiming that Elliot Rodger was an MRA, despite his substantial manifesto mentioning nothing about men's rights or feminism at all. So if you, who presumably considers yourself to be a good representative of feminism, can't help yourself from lying, what hope is there for the wider feminist population?

Getting respect from you is not an option, because you are fanatically devoted to the opposite of what we believe in. The goal can only be to remove you from any position of influence you might bullshit your way into.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh yeah, lol, so totally obvious bro. /s

[–]Petitepois 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That most are? Lord, thats a delusional state to keep yourself in.

[–]ExpendableOne 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There is no application of feminism that makes sense. If it did make sense, then it wouldn't be called feminism.

[–]Anti-Marxist- 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Modern feminism is just cultural marxism on disguise, which makes it inherently oppressive

[–]spcarlin 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's THAT! They need to sort their lives out, roughly speaking. I'm hoping you've heard of Jordan Peterson?

[–]MouthOfTheGiftHorse 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think that a lot of feminist ideals are good, and I believe in them, but as a whole, I think it becomes a movement based on the grass always being greener on the other side.

If you want actual equality, and not just a buffet of benefits that you think "the other side" has while masquerading as equality, egalitarianism is the true center. While feminism claims to be in the center, it's just trying with all of its power to balance the scaler towards the side it thinks is lacking. The thing is that it has long since passed equality, and has reached supremacy territory. I don't blame most feminists for this. It's really hard to see when you're in a position of power, especially when your movement is built on you seeing yourself as a victim. Right down to the name, feminism is about women, not equality. Otherwise, it would be called... wait for it... egalitarianism.

What a lot of people don't seem to acknowledge is that the men's rights movement doesn't exist as an alternative to egalitarianism. It's a supplement. Feminism could be the same sort of animal, but it has a lot of momentum as an -ism, and so many members think that its natural conclusion is equality that it won't be easy to change. You can be an egalitarian and have a special concern for men's rights. You can be an egalitarian and have special concerns for specific men's rights and specific women's rights. It doesn't make you less of an egalitarian, but I don't see anything wrong with having a particular affinity for the things you see most wrong with treatment of specific subgroups. When you're in elementary school, you don't have to be pro-school or anti-school, but have a particular interest in math or literature without choosing sides.

To answer your question though, I think "an application of feminism" appropriates certain attitudes and ideas for feminism the way some Christians say the United States is founded on Christian ideals, like "don't murder folks". That isn't a Christian ideal, that's a human ideal. Christians just happen to be one of the groups that pointed it out. In the same way, feminism seems to have appropriated some ideals, like "treating people equally". It doesn't make it an "application of feminism", it makes it an ideal that feminism happens to be based on.

To parrot what Karen Straughan said in The Red Pill, feminism doesn't say women are good and men are bad, it just happened to take everything that's good, and name it after women, and take everything that's bad, and name it after men.

[–]00Jacket 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why are all you new people coming in offended?

[–][deleted] 55 points56 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

Lauren looks pretty young in this photo.

While I agree with the message, the whole Trump Maga Kek nonsense gets annoying.

[–][deleted] 37 points38 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Lauren seems to sponge off most of her worldviews from a few conservatives, e.g. Stefan Molyneux and repeat their content unfiltered. When Dave Rubin asked her something as basic as "what aspects of the political right do you dislike?", she couldn't answer the question. Not an original thinker, not data-driven and adjusts her ideological label every few years to the current fashion.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I find the connection to RebelMedia and InfoWars annoying/troubling. I don't really trust the humble water filter salesman.

[–]fictionalreality08 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree. Like liberal biased media these (rebelmedia) too are propaganda based showing videos with extremes one sided view and favoring right wing.

American media taking political sides baffles me.

[–]dnst 42 points43 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Ironically, Lauren seems to have a narrative herself, now; something she opposed so many times in others.

Although I also agree with her on some positions, her twitter rages and "liberal" bashing becomes quite annoying (e.g. french election). It's almost as if she wants to escalate the conflict...

[–]MaestroLogical 20 points21 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's the same paradigm that turned feminism upside down in the 90's.

Those that used it as a vehicle to gain power eventually realized that winning would mean losing said power. The only way to maintain their new lifestyle was to ensure the conflict not only continued, but escalated. Feminism was slowly morphed into a perma-victim creation philosophy as a result.

She is facing that same dilemma. The only way to maintain her power/celebrity, is by ensuring the battles she's fighting continue on and on.

[–]LokisDawn 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That is a very uncharitable interpretation, especially at this point in time.

[–]single_use_acc 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Perpetual war.

[–]Badgerz92 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She's trying to be a female Milo

[–]bumblebritches57 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Shadilay demon.

[–]JoelTLoUisBadass 75 points76 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Lauren is the best.

[–]Daktush 46 points47 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Lauren is a white male though, not a woman

[–]Bloodmark3 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Tom The Delorean lookin fine in this pic.

[–]aircoft 17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey, it's Lauren Southern.

[–]ABaadPun 19 points20 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

You're not an outlier OP, the majority of women through history have supported mens rights.....

[–]Imnotmrabut 21 points22 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

You're not an outlier OP, the majority of women through history have supported mens rights.....

Do you have a source to support that "Bold Assertion"?

[–]ExpendableOne 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, they have not. What planet are you from?

[–]IamaspyAMNothing 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Those women weren't feminists. They were wives, mothers, sisters, and daughters who loved and cherished the men in their lives.

[–]the_unseen_one 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I remember all those women protesting to remove selective service and outlaw male genital mutilation too.

Oh, wait...

[–]pobretano 13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Welcome aboard! Well, there is a r/femra already there, but it is less crowded!

Take a seat, talk about your story!

[–]DarthSunshine 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That sub's kind of dead :(

[–]jnops69[S] 111 points112 points  (120 children) | Copy Link

Not me pictured, just best describes how I feel

[–]PoisonTheOgres 369 points370 points  (99 children) | Copy Link

Ok, hear me out. I would consider myself a feminist and a supporter of men's rights.
Just because I think women are still treated like second class citizens in some places or some situations, doesn't mean I don't also think it's terrible that men have disadvantages because of their gender too.
For example: I hate stigmas around birth control and abortion for women, and I hate stigmas around childcare and custody for men.
Can't we all just be reasonable and not hate eachother?

[–]batfiend 142 points143 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Can't we all just be reasonable and not hate eachother?

How very dare you

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points  (51 children) | Copy Link

Could you explain if you think women are treated as second class citizens in the western world, say for example in the US or Canada.

I have asked this question many times on reddit, FB and IRL and have only gotten one answer (which no longer applies), What rights do men have in the western world that women don't have. Some answered that women can't apply for all jobs in the military. (this is no longer true).

[–]PoisonTheOgres 56 points57 points  (50 children) | Copy Link

The truth is, women have all the same rights on paper. All the same, so we live in a perfect world, right?
But in practice, there are still women who are told that a customer would rather speak to a man, because they trust a man's opinion more. And that is super petty and may seem insignificant, but it shows an attitude and maybe even a culture that still has very backwards opinions about what it means to be a woman.

Same for men, by the way. Men have the same rights in court, the same law books are used, but men still get custody over their kids less often than women, and get longer prison sentences in criminal courts

[–]NonOpinionated 19 points20 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Same for men, by the way. Men have the same rights in court, the same law books are used, but men still get custody over their kids less often than women, and get longer prison sentences in criminal courts

Look up philip davies. He is a UK member of parliament. In the UK at least there have been MANY bills passed that only mention women.

For example, he fought to change a bill about honor killings to also include protections for men (the bill only mentions women). Men are %25 of all honor killing victims in the UK.

They literally booed him then voted in the bill as is.

Laws are the same for men you say?

[–]PoisonTheOgres 9 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Hmm, never heard of that before, that's pretty horrible.
I don't know all laws in all countries (now that would be a full time job!) so my comment was a bit of a hyperbole, but I do think that in most western countries men and women have more or less the same rights. I mean, threatening to kill someone is a crime no matter what, so even a man who is a victim to honor related violence should be protected. What special extra protection do women get now?

[–]NonOpinionated 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Can't find a lot of info about the bill itself but here is an article about the MP situation:

http://www.legalloop.co.uk/tory-mp-philip-davies-opposes-honour-killing-bill-grounds-not-gender-mutual/

Wow ok... it seems like the bill was very silently withdrawn...

http://services.parliament.uk/bills/2016-17/crimeaggravatedmurderofandviolenceagainstwomen.html

Very strange... apologize for giving wrong info but it's still an interesting story.

[–]PoisonTheOgres 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No problem, sometimes the whole legal system can be very confusing!

[–]Watareyoudoinghere00 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You guys know how to have a discussion. :)

[–]pobretano 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

so even a man who is a victim to honor related violence should be protected. What special extra protection do women get now?

I can talk a bit about the laws in my country about domestic violence. We are not in so good grounds as you in America: we don't have a serious federalistic system. Most of laws are decided by a centralized government, away from the local needs. Only some more administrative things are left to the states and local legislatures.

Here we have a version of VAWA, widely known as "Lei Maria da Penha". It puts a great amount of protection to female victims of domestic and family violence:

  • If someone hits a woman (in a domestic setting), no matter how soft or hard was the agression, that will not be treated as an "agression of lesser offensive potential". It will be treat as aggravating penalty, just because the victim is a woman.
  • It will also be solved in an specific court sub-system, a "Special Court for Domestic Violence Against Women". Just because the victim is a woman.
  • There are also urgency-presumed protective measures (in the sense the woman doesn't need to prove the urgency of that measures), as restrictions orders, expulsion from home, provisional alimony, restriction to visiting rights to the children... Just because the victim is a woman.

  • If someone hits a man (in the same setting), it is treated as a minor offense, with conditional suspension privileges and bail payment; in fact the bail can even be paid in "basic food baskets"!

  • Ah! That law applies only for females! It doesn't contemplate transexuals as, say, Blaire White, or gay couples as Milo and her boyfriend :) Well, I am being a bit hyperbolic here, but the court decisions aren't crystal clear about that issue:

    • the majoritary jurisprudence says the law can't be applied to men as victims;
    • there are isolated decisions applying some dispositions to male victims (many judges consider them a form of judicial activism, and I tend to agree with them);
    • a female judge from Sao Paulo said the law can't be applied to a transex male - it even said in the decision "she didn't even carry the sex-changing operation!". In the superior instance her decision was overruled, however.
    • A far-left member of Chamber of Deputies (our House of Representatives) has a amendment bill to add tansgender/transex protection to that law (but nothing for the cis male).

[–]handklap 23 points24 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

There are a great many "customers" who would rather have a female too, especially in healthcare and education. It's interesting this was your best and only example to the 'second class citizen' question. Perhaps, just maybe, the "women are still treated like second class citizens in some places" isn't really true in Western cultures?

[–]PoisonTheOgres 24 points25 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

Ok, maybe that wasn't the best example. And your defense isn't good either: just because there are also people who are sexist towards men, that doesn't make it okay to be sexist towards women.

[–]MasterDex 18 points19 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

You are confusing sexism with preference. I would rather talk to a male psychologist than a female one. That's not being sexist, that's just feeling more comfortable with talking about male issues with a man. I see no problem with any woman that wants the same. The same goes for doctors and nether regions. If a woman feels more comfortable with a female doctor then so be it and vice versa. None of that is sexism.

[–]brokedown 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

TIL that women who choose to go female gynecologists are actually practicing sexism. /s

[–]JestyerAverageJoe 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

just because there are also people who are sexist towards men, that doesn't make it okay to be sexist towards women.

Was anyone saying otherwise?

[–]handklap 12 points13 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Do you have any other examples of women being "second class citizens" (your words) in the US, UK or Canada?

[–]PoisonTheOgres 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ok this is maybe not what you are looking for, but there was this project a few years ago called everyday sexism that collected stories of women experiencing sexism in everyday situations. There are a lot of stories. Most of it is pretty subtle, but that is the problem. Not many people in this day and age will come out and say 'I think women are second class citizens', but in small ways the mentality is still there.

[–]handklap 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, but the whole truth is that for every subtle "everyday sexism" situation, men can match that with their own version, meaning the "second class citizens" stuff is complete nonsense. Look at this famous thread as examples of double standards men experience:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/5q9s79/what_malefemale_double_standard_do_you_dislike/

It fascinates me the way so many women insist on clinging to their victim/oppressed status while being so ignorant of the other side of the coin.

[–]pimpsandpopes 7 points8 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Let's take the low hanging fruit example.

I trudge back home drunk out of my mind at any hours of the night on from the other side of the city on night buses and walking.

My girlfriend gets a cab if she's on her own and she absolutely should do that.

[–]brokedown 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

What an odd example to make, when men are by far the more likely victim.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But is that because she has been told to be more afraid of going alone, or is it because she realy has a larger chance of getting harmed?

[–]handklap 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The vast majority of violent crime victims are male and it's not even close. True, it's mostly men who are the perpetrators too, but that doesn't change the larger point. Oh, and when going through the Justice system, male criminals receive a much harsher sentence if the victim is female vs. the identical crime being committed against a male victim. So, back to my point, women are still "Second class citizens", right?

[–]bufedad 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men do not have the same rights as women. Do you realize that women, legally, can be hired over a man because she's a woman and nothing else. That's perfectly justifiable legally. It's not justifiable to hire a man over a woman because he's a man.

Do you know that it's justifiable to give government contracts to a majority woman owned company over a majority man owned company? That's legalized discrimination.

There is a ton of legalized discrimination in the US.

[–]JestyerAverageJoe 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

What do you make of the fact that you had to compare the legal discrimination against men with individual instances of prejudice against women?

[–]PoisonTheOgres 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The discrimination also stems from prejudice. The law doesn't say "men cannot have custody of their own kids". So it's not that men are discriminated by law

[–]JestyerAverageJoe 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

whooooosh

[–]ExpendableOne 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But in practice, there are still women who are told that a customer would rather speak to a man, because they trust a man's opinion more.

Even if this was even remotely true(which it isn't, not even close, I think most people would be fine with women in customer service, if not even prefer it or demand it, because they would prefer to interact with a woman than a man), this would not be an, in any way, a representation of female oppression of any kind(especially not when you consider, overall, the countless other ways in which women are advantaged and men disadvantaged).

Not only that but, realistically, this would be far more of a field stereotyping(i.e. most people would probably refer to a woman over a heterosexual man first, when it comes to subjects of beauty or style) or false causation(if people want the most competent customer service, and the most competent customer service reps happen to be men, it's not sexism for people to ask to talk to those men specifically) problem than a sexism problem. You are playing massive mental gymnastic to try to justify feminism and this ridiculous narrative of female oppression.

And, if were going to go with personal stories, do you know how many times in my lifetime I have seen inexperienced or inept women cry sexism when people don't trust their "expertise" even after repeatedly demonstrating their lack of knowledge/expertise on a certain topic? How many times I've seen those women think they could just get away with their looks in customer service and not actually have to put any effort into knowing their fields of work, only to lose their shit because someone had the audacity to question them?

[–]the_unseen_one 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is why I can't take feminism seriously. You focus on petty, inconsequential shit. I'd much rather be told by a customer that they want to speak to a woman rather than have to sign up for the draft, or be assumed I'm a child rapist if I ever dare to interact with children. It's not the misery olympics, but what you said IS petty and inconsequential regardless of how you spin it. You desperately insisting it's omg so horrible just makes it moreso, and reminds me that I made the right choice renouncing feminism. You'd rather complain about authoritative women being seen as "bossy" than outlaw male genital mutilation.

Men have the same rights in court, the same law books are used, but men still get custody over their kids less often than women, and get longer prison sentences in criminal courts

Even you have to realize that's leagues more damaging than a customer asking for a man at a store, right?

And you're the good ones? Should show you how bad the bad ones in power are.

[–]Throwawayingaccount 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

However, men don't even have all of the same rights as women on paper.

We do not have the right to genital integrity, whereas women do.

We do not have the right to opt out of parenthood via abortion, whereas women do.

We do not have the right to opt out of parenthood via safe haven laws in about half of the states, whereas women do.

We do not have the right to apply for a LARGE number of federal scholarships, whereas women do.

We do not have the right to apply for certain federal grants given only to women when making a new business.

Now, to be fair, I can think of a single right that men have, that women do not have. The ability to go topless in public.

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How about before we worry about men and women not having the same rights in practice, we worry about having the same rights on paper?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

So the answer is "None" there are no rights that men have that women don't.

BUT are you aware that there are legal rights that women have the men don't.

Nice attempt at a strawman too.

[–]The_Serious_Account 14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I love how you're accusing someone of attempting a straw man, while wobbling around in logical fallacies yourself.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Which logical fallacies am I wobbling around in.

[–]PoisonTheOgres 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yes, the answer is none. I told you that. I don't deny that.
But I am not aware of rights that women have that men don't. Can you tell me what they are? (I am not in America, by the way, so my laws might be slightly different)

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I will agree these are in North America.

1) Women have the legal right to NOT BE A PARENT. men have no such right.

2) If a women murders a child, she has the legal right to be charged with a crime which carries a greatly reduced sentence (infanticide) and it is a max of 3 years (Canada).

3) The DRAFT.

4) Genital Integrity: Girl (women) have the legal right to not have their genitals cut while boys don't.

5) Women have the legal right to give up a child for adoption without the living fathers consent. (in some areas, though not all) but men have no such right

[–]JestyerAverageJoe 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

But I am not aware of rights that women have that men don't. Can you tell me what they are? (I am not in America, by the way, so my laws might be slightly different)

Women have reproductive rights. Men have none.

Women's genitals are protected from birth. Men's are not.

Women in the US have the right to obtain a driver's license and seek federal assistance without registering for the draft. Men do not have those rights.

That's a start.

[–]Badgerz92 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok, hear me out. I would consider myself a feminist and a supporter of men's rights.

There used to be a lot of feminists who supported men's rights. MRAs were fine with it, but it was other feminists who had a problem. Things are finally starting to change, but only because MRAs raised enough awareness of men's issues that feminists were backed into a corner. And even now, while most feminists won't outright mock the idea of men's issues the way they did in the past, it's hard to find a feminist who genuinely cares about men's issues. Most will say they do but really only care about making feminism look good.

If you actually truly support men's rights, then we don't care if you call yourself a feminist and you'll be welcome here and other MRA communities. But if you're just going to tell us "we don't need a men's rights movement because men's problems are caused by misogyny so all we need is feminism" then that's where MRAs oppose a lot of feminists who claim to care about men.

[–]pizzancake 18 points19 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

I think the issue is the stigma of the largest (or loudest) people who classify themselves as a feminist in Western culture, not in the other stigmas you brought up.

The reason "Mens Rights" needs to be a thing, is because of the damage people are doing under the title of "feminism" today- not the core concepts of feminism from decades ago.

In a perfect world, we wouldn't need either term, and we could all just get along and be reasonable. I don't like to call myself either, whilst I agree with both stigmas you brought up. This is because of the type of thinking "dress for the job you want." Identifying with these movements as they are named will inevitably tip the scales, and confuse the end goal.

[–]Badgerz92 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

because of the damage people are doing under the title of "feminism" today- not the core concepts of feminism from decades ago.

In fact, that feminism from decades ago is where the men's rights movement was created. The MRAs in the 70s were feminists who believed in equality for everybody, but soon other feminists turned on them and we were forced to become an anti-feminist movement

[–]MasterDex 14 points15 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Sums up perfectly why I will never identify as a feminist. I am a humanist and for me that means gender equality, not espousing the rights of women at the expense of men.

[–]PoisonTheOgres 36 points37 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Why would giving women more rights take away from men? It's not like rights are like cookies and we only have so much.

[–]MasterDex 25 points26 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Giving women the same rights does not take away from men. Giving women more rights than men however does. As it stands, gender equality in the minds of the vox populi stands for women's rights.

The moment men's rights are brought up in any discussion about gender equality in the real world, they're either dismissed, laughed at or booed. Where are the rights of fathers in most Western civilisations? Where are the reparations to men falsly accused of rape? Where are the equal sentences for women for equal crimes?

Being a feminist in today's world does not mean you are for gender equality. Which is why I will never associate myself with that label.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Being a feminist in today's world does not mean you are for gender equality.

I believe in equality and I'd call myself a feminist.

[–]MasterDex 18 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes but the two are not synonymous which is the crux of my point. I would rather say that I support gender equality than say I am a feminist because that label has gained too many people that do not care for gender equality and simply care about female superiority.

[–]Watareyoudoinghere00 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with your point. The word is tainted now imo.

[–]morerokk 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because feminism does take away rights from men. For examples, see the Duluth Model.

[–]meenamjah 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

problem is that most of what passes for feminism out there isn't really feminism, but hembrism. so many so called feminists aren't even aware that what they're doing supporting is pure unbridled hembrism.

[–][deleted] 27 points28 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Wholeheartedly agree. Problem arises when feminists actively try to silence the men's rights movement, and use their political and social power to do so.

99.9999...% of feminists believe that all of mens problems are a symptom of their privilege ("patriarchy") and are therefore not worth fighting for; you are perhaps a unique one who doesn't believe that.

The feminist movement regularly skews statistics to make it look like women have more problems. Examples: men commit suicide more often BUT WOMEN ATTEMPT IT JUST AS MUCH THEREFORE WOMEN HAVE IT WORSE.
Men aged 20-30 are paid less than women BUT WOMEN ARE PAID LESS AFTER THEY TAKE MATERNITY LEAVE.

So feminists actively try to cover up or even justify scandals such as false rape accusations, the fact that ~1% of places in domestic violence shelters are for men despite them making up >45% of the victims, rape is still defined in the UK such that only men can commit it, the fact that Boko Haram tortures and kills thousands of young boys and normally lets girls go but the media only cares about the 300 girls who were kidnapped. Etc. Etc.

So yeah. I agree with you that things can be improved for women. Catcalling probably sucks, being taken less seriously if you choose career over family probably sucks, and a whole bunch of other things do too. And I would generally support a movement for that.
Feminism is not that movement. Most of their goals are completely shit and only lead to men being disadvantaged (closing the wage gap despite women taking more maternity leave, making false rape accusations okay so that real victims are more likely to come forward, giving women loads of scholarships in STEM that they do not deserve just because less women are interested in STEM etc. etc.). Even though they do have a few more noble goals I can get behind, such as contraception, as a movement their negatives vastly outweigh their positives to the point where I simply can not associate with them any more. I also happen to believe that they brainwash women in to thinking they are nothing but victims. Ask a feminist why Hillary Clinton lost. Despite the fact that hundreds of thousands if not millions of people were voting for her just because she was a woman and they wanted their first female president, and the Dems voter base are generally more liberal, a feminist would rather die than admit that she lost for any reason other than her vagina.

So that's why even though I agree with you, and i do believe that women do still have some problems we should address, I refuse to label myself a feminist.

[–]PoisonTheOgres 46 points47 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

I just don't believe your statistics. The people you talk about are in my limited experience a very loud but very small minority.
I have never met a 'feminazi' in real life, but I have met plenty of women (and men) who think like me and are more moderate.

[–]AloysiusC 39 points40 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Karen Straughan wrote the following in a similar discussion:

So what you're saying is that you, a commenter using a username on an internet forum are the true feminist, and the feminists actually responsible for changing the laws, writing the academic theory, teaching the courses, influencing the public policies, and the massive, well-funded feminist organizations with thousands and thousands of members all of whom call themselves feminists... they are not "real feminists".

That's not just "no true Scotsman". That's delusional self deception.

Listen, if you want to call yourself a feminist, I don't care. I've been investigating feminism for more than 9 years now, and people like you used to piss me off, because to my mind all you were doing was providing cover and ballast for the powerful political and academic feminists you claim are just jerks. And believe me, they ARE jerks. If you knew half of what I know about the things they've done under the banner of feminism, maybe you'd stop calling yourself one.

But I want you to know. You don't matter. You're not the director of the Feminist Majority Foundation and editor of Ms. Magazine, Katherine Spillar, who said of domestic violence: "Well, that's just a clean-up word for wife-beating," and went on to add that regarding male victims of dating violence, "we know it's not girls beating up boys, it's boys beating up girls."

You're not Jan Reimer, former mayor of Edmonton and long-time head of Alberta's Network of Women's Shelters, who just a few years ago refused to appear on a TV program discussing male victims of domestic violence, because for her to even show up and discuss it would lend legitimacy to the idea that they exist.

You're not Mary P Koss, who describes male victims of female rapists in her academic papers as being not rape victims because they were "ambivalent about their sexual desires" (if you don't know what that means, it's that they actually wanted it), and then went on to define them out of the definition of rape in the CDC's research because it's inappropriate to consider what happened to them rape.

You're not the National Organization for Women, and its associated legal foundations, who lobbied to replace the gender neutral federal Family Violence Prevention and Services Act of 1984 with the obscenely gendered Violence Against Women Act of 1994. The passing of that law cut male victims out of support services and legal assistance in more than 60 passages, just because they were male.

You're not the Florida chapter of the NOW, who successfully lobbied to have Governor Rick Scott veto not one, but two alimony reform bills in the last ten years, bills that had passed both houses with overwhelming bipartisan support, and were supported by more than 70% of the electorate.

You're not the feminist group in Maryland who convinced every female member of the House on both sides of the aisle to walk off the floor when a shared parenting bill came up for a vote, meaning the quorum could not be met and the bill died then and there.

You're not the feminists in Canada agitating to remove sexual assault from the normal criminal courts, into quasi-criminal courts of equity where the burden of proof would be lowered, the defendant could be compelled to testify, discovery would go both ways, and defendants would not be entitled to a public defender.

You're not Professor Elizabeth Sheehy, who wrote a book advocating that women not only have the right to murder their husbands without fear of prosecution if they make a claim of abuse, but that they have the moral responsibility to murder their husbands.

You're not the feminist legal scholars and advocates who successfully changed rape laws such that a woman's history of making multiple false allegations of rape can be excluded from evidence at trial because it's "part of her sexual history."

You're not the feminists who splattered the media with the false claim that putting your penis in a passed-out woman's mouth is "not a crime" in Oklahoma, because the prosecutor was incompetent and charged the defendant under an inappropriate statute (forcible sodomy) and the higher court refused to expand the definition of that statute beyond its intended scope when there was already a perfectly good one (sexual battery) already there. You're not the idiot feminists lying to the public and potentially putting women in Oklahoma at risk by telling potential offenders there's a "legal" way to rape them.

And you're none of the hundreds or thousands of feminist scholars, writers, thinkers, researchers, teachers and philosophers who constructed and propagate the body of bunkum theories upon which all of these atrocities are based.

You're the true feminist. Some random person on the internet.

[–]the_unseen_one 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have her comment saved on here and in a word document for that exact reason. Nothing shuts down the "but I don't hate men!" argument faster than her beautiful comment.

[–]splodgenessabounds 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The people you talk about are in my limited experience a very loud but very small minority.

Irrelevant.

Feminism has core beliefs and principles and a shitload of history behind them that are fundamental to the term "feminism". That you (and those like you) choose to ignore them or wave them aside is your business, but don't expect everyone else to believe this NAFALT claptrap.

[–]morerokk 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Does the biggest feminist organization in the US count (NOW)?

[–]DaBuddahN 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well I know some of the statistics he mentioned are true. Men make up many DV victims - it's just that they end up staying at a hotel instead of a shelter because there are no shelters.

A lot DV is mutual in nature. Both participants are violent and both perpetuate violence long after they move on to other relationships. If you want insight into DV, read up on Erin Pizzey, she founded the first DV shelters in the UK and she's an MRA in some sense. She understands that women can be just as violent as men and that got her chased out of the UK (death threats).

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good for you and your friends. Really. But I'm afraid you simply are a minority. A minority of feminists also consider themselves MRAs. Feel free to correct me if I'm misreading what you're saying, but even you refused to use the MRA label.

Someone else has given you a big list of things that your "vocal minority" have done. The thing is, it is this vocal minority who are regularly being elected to head of organisations. They have their articles shared, they have positions to lecture and influence students etc. etc. The "quiet majority" gives them these roles. The quiet majority shares their articles. There's a reason that no articles representing your "quiet majority" ever go viral with support; you majority is actually a minority. Most feminists do believe in the patriarchy, they do believe in the wage gap, they do believe that men are inherently privileged. They also declare feminism as the "sole movement for equality" despite knowing full well how it prohibits men's rights.

Another point I want to make is that these representatives of feminism, even if they are the vocal minority, use membership to justify their goals. Because you identify that way, you support your representatives. And yes, the leaders of the women's groups and academics are the representatives of feminism whether you like it or not. Considering that, what exactly is the reason to identify that way?

PS, this is a discussion, not an argument. I'm genuinely interested in your point of view, and am more than willing to change my mind if you're convincing. Everything I've said here is just mine.

[–]bufedad 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I just don't believe your statistics.

Which statistics? Let's discuss and find the truth.

The only statistic I've found is that men make up > 45% of domestic violence victims.

Is that the one you don't believe?

[–]JestyerAverageJoe 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Can't we all just be reasonable and not hate eachother?

What do you think would happen if I asked this question in /r/Feminism? Oh wait, I can't: I was banned for having the opinion that men are ever disadvantaged in society.

Remind me again why "we" can't all get along?

Have you seen The Red Pill? Serious question.

[–]PoisonTheOgres 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No I haven't seen it yet, but it's on my list.
I'm not subscribed to r/feminism, so I don't really know what is going on there, but subreddits can easily dissolve into just hating everyone who doesn't agree with extremist standpoints. Reddit is definitely not always an accurate representation of society

[–]JestyerAverageJoe 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

See it, and it will answer your question about "why we can't get along." It's also just a great film in its own right.

Watch it now.

Along the way, consider the golden meal fallacy, which says that "the truth must always lie in the middle." (Example: "The Holocaust happened." "The Holocaust did not happen." The truth does not lie in the middle.) Now apply this fallacy to "feminists" vs "MRAs."

The point I am trying to make is that the hostility you see within the MRM is by and large a reaction to the hostility that feminists have been espousing for decades.

If feminists had been receptive to men's issues, we wouldn't need a Men's Rights Movement in the first place.

Many feminists today are hostile to the very existence of the MRM.

Remind me again why we can't get along.

[–]Source_or_gtfo 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The dismantling of feminism is a key, neccessary step for the achievement of true equality for both sexes. I don't see why the burden should be on anti-feminist egalitarians to justify their stance rather than on feminists to justify advancing equality with an inherantly sexist, bias-creating, tribalising, gender-antagonising term.

When you consider what has been enabled, and indeed actively carried out by the mainstream core of the feminist movement - for decades, just how horrible and ultimately emotionally abusive it is to dogmatically insist on a unidirectional description of a bidirectional issue, appropriate, equal empathy and sensitivity towards the male sex (something which has always been denied, even if in the past it was made up for through superior competitive respect) cannot be shown through continued affiliation with said movement. That is not to say feminism (when compared to traditionalism) has been a net negative for society - that is an extremely low bar, as low as 51% positive, 49% negative. To justify feminism over gender neutral egalitarianism based on a comparison of feminism with gender traditionalism is intellectually dishonest.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Look at how women are treated in the middle east.

Any decent american or European would be a feminist.

My problem always stems from males having shit rights in Europe and USA.

Depending where you put me, I'm either a radical feminist or a MRA

[–]pastel-forest 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Totally agree

[–]tmtProdigy 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

feminist and a supporter of men's rights

I think this is the "issue" though. If you support both, that means you are for equality. Which is pictured in the photo as well. The point being that the name itself (feminist, mens rights activist) already suggests you are for one side. But i feel like what you are saying; and what i'd like to believe most reasonable people agree with; is that we do not want to have inequality, no matter which way it goes. same rights for all: Male, female, black, white, checkered.

Yes, assuming that all feminists are entitled and supremacists goes over board, but the message stays the same and is very reasonable in my views.

[–]ihatefeminazis1 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Then tell feminists to change the name to Humanism.

[–]the_unseen_one 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If feminism didn't ignore, deny, and blame men for all MRA issues, then I could think there was common ground to be found. The unfortunate truth is that the vast majority of feminists in power (sorry, but a random redditor doesn't matter in the grand scheme) don't give a shit about men at best. And at worst, the blame us for everything so they can dismiss any issues we bring up.

[–]EricAllonde 117 points118 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I think most of us will recognise the amazing Lauren Southern and we appreciate the sentiment. Thanks.

[–]Cheveyo 19 points20 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lauren Southern

He's a great guy.

[–]EricAllonde 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lauren is the only guy I'd go gay for.

[–]Kniucht 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, that's Lauren Southern.

[–]Squez360 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nice! I wonder how many women are sub to this place.

[–]bettygauge 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Literally dozens

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're awesome :) Thank you for your support.

[–]JestyerAverageJoe 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So you're not Lauren Southern? The face in your picture isn't anonymous.

[–]HulkHogansMustache 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Petitepois 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you are actually female I am so, so disappointed. I think you would do well to do some reading on the history of feminism rather than try and focus on western, contemporary, extremist feminism. And even moreso - to think beyond your own small bubble to the women across the world who do not have access to the same rights and opportunities as you.

Eugh, I really just cant begin to comprehend the stupidity of this photo. You look like a poorly educated suck-up

[–]dingoperson2 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you.

[–]Imdefender 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I honestly wish It didnt matter that your female.

[–]Throwawayingaccount 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sadly, male MRAs tend to be ignored for "looking out for their own interests", and "not knowing the pain of being a woman". And as such, female MRAs, tend to be listened to more. I strive for a world where that's not the case, and we are listened to equally, but that is not the world we live in today, and it is a fact we must acnowledge.

[–]plugit_nugget 20 points21 points  (32 children) | Copy Link

I believe in equality. Unfortunately it isn't here yet and that doesn't mean the status quo is necessarily heading there. Look at womens rights in certain arab countries before and after.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (30 children) | Copy Link

I don't live in an Arab country... no matter how hard feminists try to make it one.

[–]SelmaFudd 37 points38 points  (29 children) | Copy Link

Holy fuck, I read every comment in here and this is by far the most incomprehensibly stupid one.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You can't comprehend why I can't change the political climate of Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Iran?

You might want to reevaluate "every comment in here", right after you get done saving the world.

[–]SelmaFudd 10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well for starters Pakistan isn't an "Arab country" it's in Asia.

You never mentioned you changing anything, you accused feminists of trying to change your country.

The part I couldn't understand is why you would think somebody after equality would want to hinder or reverse their efforts.

I'm not sure how you drew the line between me reading every comment here and finding yours so contradictory that I couldn't help but comment as saving the world...

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dude, I'm not going to be your substitute for reading comprehension, but this just this once I'll break things down for you.

/u/plugit_nugget stated:

Unfortunately it isn't here yet and that doesn't mean the status quo is necessarily heading there.

There's nothing wrong with that statement. The world has never been a perfect place, and there is always room for improvement.

Look at womens rights in certain arab countries before and after.

Here's the problem. I don't live in an arab country, and have absolutely no control over what stupid shit they are going to do today.

then I say

I don't live in an Arab country...

Implying (for people with half a brain) that I would rather focus on the problems in the more western world, than worry about what a completely different culture has on their agenda for the day. We have our own problems. Unlike you, who is arguing against my statement, in what I can only take as you believing you can solve the issues in those countries.

no matter how hard feminists try to make it one.

Now, you are right. I should have said some feminists, I know most feminists aren't trying to bring back sharia law, and even less feminists are crazy. I made the mistake of assuming reddit could use context clues and critical thinking. For that, I need to apologize.


Now that I've ELI5ed what is less than two sentences long unnecessarily, because you felt the need to be an asshat.

There apparently is some strange movement in some feminist groups to bring sharia law, and wear hijabs.

As far as Pakistan is concerned, Urdu is strongly derived from Arabic, it's next door to the Arab states. As far as a Reddit comment is concerned it's Arabic.

[–]morerokk 15 points16 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

Why? It's a perfectly valid comment.

"We need feminism in the US, because the Middle-East treats women badly" seems a little illogical.

[–]the_unseen_one 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What does the situation in Saudi Arabia (something feminists not only tolerate, but encourage by voting them to the UN panel for women's rights) mean shit in the west? Why do feminists get a pass for making a big stink over man spreading and air conditioning settings, but men can't complain about the draft and male genital mutilation? Our issues are always on the bottom of the list.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

but it's a man

[–]ithinkmynameismoose 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No-one seems to have got this.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Only true fans know

[–]the_unseen_one 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a man, baby.

[–]generic-user-1 3 points4 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Feminism once stood for equality. Which is ironic. I'm glad that the new term for equality is "equality".

[–]OSHA_certified 2 points3 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Feminism never stood for equality.

Even in the early wars of the US there were females going around and stuffing white feather in males' coats to shame them for not going to war and dying for their country.

[–]prodigy2throw 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In case nobody knows. Pic is not OP.

[–]CryptoMonger 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Equality IS oppression if you listen to what feminists are really saying.

[–]BrockMister 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is not you, this is Lauren southern. Way to get a bunch of karma for lying

[–]Dembara 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's always great to have the support! Thank you kindly.

[–]I_Dumped_Adele 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's not you, that's Lauren Southern

[–]fengpi 19 points20 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Ah, well, that's not the real feminism. The real feminism is rainbow-farting unicorns tattooed with "ikwaliteh" on the side. The fake feminism is only the thing that you encounter everyplace you go. That one ain't real. And don't be fooled: fake feminists number in the millions nowadays. /s

[–]Acadias511 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Wtf is "ikwaliteh"

[–]fengpi 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It is a term that feminists say a lot and it is pronounced like "equality", except "ikwaliteh" means something completely different. Usually some variation of "give me free shit and never criticize my nasty misbehavior," but the definition can change according to the convenience of the moment.

[–]Acadias511 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Okay thanks

[–]SJignacio 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Does that say "I believe inequality"? Lol

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lauren is bae!

[–]Jarb0t 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She has her own Youtube channel if anyone wants to subscribe

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1rca13/the_differences_between_being_a_male_feminist_and/cdluj35

Men are expected to support and protect women, so female feminists treat it as an entitlement they're free wipe their feet on. Women are not expected to support or protect men, so when they do, they're doing something contrary to cultural expectations, and they get a lot more appreciation.

(That said, female MRAs are held to a "good faith" standard. You get the same leeway as anyone else when people think you're wrong about something, but I've seen some serious shit go down when it turns out a woman was only taking an MRM position out of self-interest or self-aggrandizement, or when she starts wanting to treat men in the movement the way female feminists treat male feminists.)

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

So...

This sub has become less about equality and more about feminist bashing lately, huh.

[–]Badgerz92 16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This sub has a lot of other content too. Here are some recent posts on this sub:

Double-standards when women statutorily rape teenage boys

Norway calling for a ban on circumcision

Chechnya police are ordering families to kill their gay sons

A study finding that men are equally likely to be victims of revenge porn

A petition to restore voting rights to Florida felons

A petition to make circumcision illegal

Data from the Australian government showing that men are frequently victims of DV as well

A formal complaint by a UK Men's Rights organization to the BBC regarding their double standards on female-on-male DV

Those are all posts from the last day or so. MRAs have been talking about these and many other issues since the 70s. At first we tried to work with feminists, and most MRAs back then were also feminists. But eventually there were too many feminists who opposed even the idea of a men's rights movement, so MRAs were forced to become anti-feminist. That's where the "bashing" is coming from, but there is still plenty of discussion of serious men's issues as you can see above.

[–]morerokk 23 points24 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

When feminism stops hurting men, we can stop bashing it.

[–]DaedalusMinion -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

When feminism stops hurting men

ayy lmao

[–]morerokk 11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Laugh all you want, but maybe you should do some research on the Duluth Model first. It basically dictates that men cannot be abuse victims. Thanks to this, men who are abused can actually end up being arrested when they call the police.

It was created by feminists, and still propagated by feminists today.

[–]the_unseen_one 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminists in power have shown themselves to disregard equality and men's issues. Why wouldnt they be bashed? More than that, why is feminist bashing a bad thing when it's often well deserved?

[–]the_unseen_one 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Feminists in power have shown themselves to disregard equality and men's issues. Why wouldnt they be bashed? More than that, why is feminist bashing a bad thing when it's often well deserved?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I'm a feminist.

I believe have issues that men don't and men have issues that women don't.

But my problem is that this subreddit acts like men and only men are disadvsntaged, which is exactly what you accuse feminists of doing.

[–]the_unseen_one 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I don't think anyone here acts like women have no issues. We do take offense at people claiming that women don't have equal rights, however.

Beyond that, you being a feminist doesn't matter. What matters is that feminist leaders and organizations disregard equality and men's issues. Even if yiu acknowledge them personally, that doesn't matter. Interestingly, I see lots of feminists berate MRAs for not believing feminists care about them and their issues, but there's deafening silence on good feminists like you fighting against organizations like the NWO.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

The NW-

Wait.

Please don't tell me NWO stands for New World Order.

[–]the_unseen_one 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

National Womens Organization. The largest feminist organization in america, and arguably in the world.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Okay. Was a little worried there.

I've legitimately never heard of them. Which is odd because I usually stay up to date on that

[–]the_unseen_one 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Shit, sorry, it's NOW. Mixed up my words.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Um, feminism by definition is about equality, read a dictionary sometime, bigots

Along with such idealists should go the strange people who seem to think that you can consecrate and purify any campaign for ever by repeating the names of the abstract virtues that its better advocates had in mind ... To this kind of thing perhaps the shortest answer is this. Many of those who speak thus are agnostic or generally unsympathetic to official religion. Suppose one of them said "The Church of England is full of hypocrisy." What would he think of me if I answered, "I assure you that hypocrisy is condemned by every form of Christianity; and is particularly repudiated in the Prayer Book"? Suppose he said that the Church of Rome had been guilty of great cruelties. What would he think of me if I answered, "The Church is expressly bound to meekness and charity; and therefore cannot be cruel"? This kind of people need not detain us long.

G.K. Chesterton

[–]Bewolfs 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Make sure you know what feminist DO and not what they say.

So what you're saying is that you, a commenter using a username on an internet forum are the true feminist, and the feminists actually responsible for changing the laws, writing the academic theory, teaching the courses, influencing the public policies, and the massive, well-funded feminist organizations with thousands and thousands of members all of whom call themselves feminists... they are not "real feminists". That's not just "no true Scotsman". That's delusional self deception. Listen, if you want to call yourself a feminist, I don't care. I've been investigating feminism for more than 9 years now, and people like you used to piss me off, because to my mind all you were doing was providing cover and ballast for the powerful political and academic feminists you claim are just jerks. And believe me, they ARE jerks. If you knew half of what I know about the things they've done under the banner of feminism, maybe you'd stop calling yourself one. But I want you to know. You don't matter. You're not the director of the Feminist Majority Foundation and editor of Ms. Magazine, Katherine Spillar, who said of domestic violence: "Well, that's just a clean-up word for wife-beating," and went on to add that regarding male victims of dating violence, "we know it's not girls beating up boys, it's boys beating up girls." You're not Jan Reimer, former mayor of Edmonton and long-time head of Alberta's Network of Women's Shelters, who just a few years ago refused to appear on a TV program discussing male victims of domestic violence, because for her to even show up and discuss it would lend legitimacy to the idea that they exist. You're not Mary P Koss, who describes male victims of female rapists in her academic papers as being not rape victims because they were "ambivalent about their sexual desires" (if you don't know what that means, it's that they actually wanted it), and then went on to define them out of the definition of rape in the CDC's research because it's inappropriate to consider what happened to them rape. You're not the National Organization for Women, and its associated legal foundations, who lobbied to replace the gender neutral federal Family Violence Prevention and Services Act of 1984 with the obscenely gendered Violence Against Women Act of 1994. The passing of that law cut male victims out of support services and legal assistance in more than 60 passages, just because they were male. You're not the Florida chapter of the NOW, who successfully lobbied to have Governor Rick Scott veto not one, but two alimony reform bills in the last ten years, bills that had passed both houses with overwhelming bipartisan support, and were supported by more than 70% of the electorate. You're not the feminist group in Maryland who convinced every female member of the House on both sides of the aisle to walk off the floor when a shared parenting bill came up for a vote, meaning the quorum could not be met and the bill died then and there. You're not the feminists in Canada agitating to remove sexual assault from the normal criminal courts, into quasi-criminal courts of equity where the burden of proof would be lowered, the defendant could be compelled to testify, discovery would go both ways, and defendants would not be entitled to a public defender. You're not Professor Elizabeth Sheehy, who wrote a book advocating that women not only have the right to murder their husbands without fear of prosecution if they make a claim of abuse, but that they have the moral responsibility to murder their husbands. You're not the feminist legal scholars and advocates who successfully changed rape laws such that a woman's history of making multiple false allegations of rape can be excluded from evidence at trial because it's "part of her sexual history." You're not the feminists who splattered the media with the false claim that putting your penis in a passed-out woman's mouth is "not a crime" in Oklahoma, because the prosecutor was incompetent and charged the defendant under an inappropriate statute (forcible sodomy) and the higher court refused to expand the definition of that statute beyond its intended scope when there was already a perfectly good one (sexual battery) already there. You're not the idiot feminists lying to the public and potentially putting women in Oklahoma at risk by telling potential offenders there's a "legal" way to rape them. And you're none of the hundreds or thousands of feminist scholars, writers, thinkers, researchers, teachers and philosophers who constructed and propagate the body of bunkum theories upon which all of these atrocities are based. You're the true feminist. Some random person on the internet.

[–]Bryceroars 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Lauren southern of the rebel

[–]4RestM 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Porque no los dos?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This lady looks familiar

[–]Annahsbananas 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You really need to change your sign

inequality huh

[–]TravelinJebus 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh America, home of the free, land of the signs

[–]contradicts_herself 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey bootlicker!

[–]ithinkmynameismoose 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're not Lauren southern. Next time don't pick someone whits a reasonable degree of fame.

[–]TheLuis503 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In and equality are so close I thought it said inequality

[–]the_unseen_one 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Lots of brigading feminists in the comments here. Was this linked to the feminism sub or something?

[–]morerokk 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It hit /r/all.

[–]the_unseen_one 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I thought reddit made it so our sub can't hut /r/all? Lots of people were in a tizzy about the secretive censorship a while back. I guess reddit just as quietly removed said blockage, for better or for worse. I'm glad the movement will get more exposure, but it's a shame about the commenters.

[–]Mallago 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think people hating on this have it wrong, this kind of thing should be welcomed and supported.

[–]Legendarykg 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Read that as inequality

[–]dueces12 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, you're amazing! Thank you for not jumping on the "let's hate all men" boat like everyone else did.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Human rights, not women rights.

[–]thisis2017woow 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This post wouldn't last for seconds in r/feminism, haha. I guess we are not children like them. Good job, r/MensRights.

[–]iluvstephenhawking 10 points11 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

Feminism is equality. Currently women do not have equality. We look back on the past think how messed up it was that women were told by their husbands they could or could not work. In the future people are going to look back on today and wonder how things that we think are status quo were ok.

[–]morerokk 26 points27 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

In the Western world, women most certainly do have equality.

A husband has the freedom to tell their wife not to work. His wife has the freedom to ignore him, leave him, or talk sense into him.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Are you talking about western world OR other parts of the world. Because I would love to know what 'equality' women are missing the western world.

[–]EricAllonde 15 points16 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Currently women do not have equality.

Women have equal rights and equal opportunities as men in western countries.

Of course you will not see equal outcomes unless women make equal effort, take equal risks, make equal decisions and stick with it for an equal length of time as men. When women do those things, they earn equal income - for one example.

There's no longer any need for feminism in western countries. It's a toxic, malignant, harmful ideology with no benefit to society. Fortunately it's dying off, not a moment too soon.

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Some examples of rights that are missing please???

[–]ExpendableOne 6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

How do women not have equal rights? Legally speaking, women have all the rights men have and quite a few that men don't. Culturally, socially, romantically, sexually and even financially(or access to wealth), women are more privileged and advantaged than men(and this was also true in the past).

We look back on the past think how messed up it was that women were told by their husbands they could or could not work

Not only is that completely untrue, because there has been women working all throughout history, but the fact that this could be considered as an example of oppression is entirely laughable. Work is not fun. Men "telling" women they don't have to work, is like telling someone they can have free ice-cream for the rest of their lives. If I had the option of "you are forced to work yourself into an early grave doing this horrible job for the rest of your life" or "you don't have to work a single day in your life and spend all the time you want with your family and loved ones", who would honestly look at the latter and say "wow, those people really have it the worse". That is just how skewed of a perspective we have of the world, and how far we are willing to skew reality to benefit women.

In the future people are going to look back on today and wonder how things that we think are status quo were ok.

People are looking today at the status quo that feminism has created, and in every aspect the only issues that have ever been addressed are the ones that benefit women, often at men's expense. People in the future who look back at today's status quo, won't be looking too fondly on the feminism that fought every step of the way to impede progress for men or genuine equality.

[–]dragonsfire242 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That is an untrue statement, women have the equality they want and deserve, some of them just can't realize that we live in a capitalist society, at least in the US, where people get ahead of other people based on wealth, the world isn't going to stop spinning because you want it to, get used to that

[–]the_unseen_one 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Currently women do not have equality.

What rights do women not have that men do? I can only think of rights women have that men don't, such as the right not to be subjected to genital mutilation against your will and not being required to sign up for selective service. Seems that legally they have a leg up, but feel free to give a cited rebuttal showing what rights women are denied in the west.

Inb4 you bring up the Middle East.

[–]ZVAZ 4 points5 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

That statement 'i dont need feminism' is followed by a position in feminism. Most and the most classic feminism is equality or libertarian feminism. Another version of feminism subscribes to entitlement and its much rarer.

[–]Throwawayingaccount 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Someone agreeing with the bailey that feminism uses when criticized, does not mean they agree with the motte used otherwise.

[–]bufedad 5 points6 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Another version of feminism subscribes to entitlement and its much rarer.

VAWA, Duluth Model, the largest feminist organization in the US (maybe the world) fighting against equal custody rights in divorce...

How is that rarer?

[–]the_surfing_unicorn 3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Come on now. There's no need to bash on gender equality (feminism) to support men's rights. It's not difficult to look up the definition of feminism, try it some time.

[–]aonome 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

When feminists lobby the government in favour of discrimination what does that tell you?

[–]morerokk 15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminism is not equality.

[–]Throwawayingaccount 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Talking about men's rights without bashing feminism, is akin to talking about preventing burns, without talking about fire safety. Sure, there are chemical and cyro burns, and those need talked about too, but.... leaving out the primary cause seems contrary to the goal.

[–]_Mellex_ 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Gender equality is "egalitarianism".

[–]AloysiusC 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So killing everyone to achieve total equality is then also feminism. I know you don't think so but that is the logical conclusion of what you said.

Bottom line: don't define a movement by its stated goals.

[–]ExpendableOne 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminism, or this notion that equality starts and ends with women, is literally the biggest obstacle to gender equality.

[–]TheNicktatorship 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Strive for equity, not equality

[–]Irish_Viking557 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not sure if genuine supporter or just farming for karma. It's appreciated but shouldn't need to be a post.

[–]EagleDarkX 2 points3 points  (68 children) | Copy Link

Feminism is about equality.

[–]aonome 22 points23 points  (28 children) | Copy Link

No, it really isn't.

[–]bufedad 5 points6 points  (28 children) | Copy Link

NOW, the largest feminist organization in the US is fighting against shared parenting during divorce because fathers who want custody and time with their children are domestic abusers using the courts to abuse their wives.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Actions speak louder than dictionary definitions. Show me a feminist movement dedicated to promote women in dangerous jobs.

[–]morerokk 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wish.

[–]lroosemusic 2 points3 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Feminism = Equality

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Uhhhhh I believe you're looking for this.

[–]AloysiusC 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Killing everyone is achieving total equality. Hence, killing everyone = feminism

[–]kutwijf 11 points12 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

That's what it used to stand for.

[–]ExpendableOne 5 points6 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

It has never once, in the entire history of feminism, stood for equality.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are now banned from /r/feminism.

[–]Popavalium_Andropov 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lauren southern, will you marry me :-)))

[–]MacheteSquadGoals 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I dunno I dont trust it

[–]Expect2Die 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She believes inequality, it says so right there! Open your eyes guys!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lauren Southern :)

[–]Duckytheluckyduck 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She's talking about modern feminism btw

[–]Zohso 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

This is sickening. We need all the support we can get. And you asshats are treating this woman terribly. Yes, this is clearly a picture of the FAMOUS "I don't need feminism" picture Lauren Southern did a couple of years ago. But more importantly, reading all the comments, this entire post can be read over at rr/feminism, rr/askfeminists, rr/askwomen, etc. And it's a complete turnoff and NO ONE wants to help angry asshats. NO ONE. Get your shit together, fellas. Seriously.

[–]jnops69[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

And I never claimed to be Lauren Southern- in fact, the very first comment on this thread was me saying that the picture is not me

[–]EricAllonde 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not people in this sub being assholes, for the most part it's normies who saw the post when it hit /r/All.

[–]Zohso 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I know. We're all angry at the current state of man in this country. It stems from frustration on not knowing how to change what's going on. Problem is, we do have allies. And instead of taking that opportunity to vent frustrations, see it for what it is. In this case, I genuinely saw a woman simply stopping by and feeling inspired enough to just say, "Hey. I'm a woman. And just wanted to say you're not alone."

We're all hurting to varying degrees. Don't take this thread personal. Thank you. Genuinely.

[–]Ultramegasaurus 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Upvotecuzgirl

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Feminism: the belief that men and women should have EQUAL rights and opportunities. READ A BOOK! (start with the dictionary)

[–]Badgerz92 15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Try doing more than reading a dictionary and looking at what actual feminists actually believe, because that's not equality

[–]EricAllonde 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"The Democratic People's Republic of North Korea"

See: anyone can slap a false, wholesome label on something really nasty in the hope that people will be fooled into thinking it's something good.

[–]handklap 22 points23 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Feminism: the belief that men and women should have EQUAL rights and opportunities

If that were the case, then good news... feminism has officially won in western cultures. Yeah, team!

Oh, except they don't just want equal opportunities, but equal outcomes. Women already have an equal opportunity to run for public office as any man or to start their own tech business or become a neurosurgeon or anything else... but feminists want equal representation in all these areas (primarily by using government for policy-based preferential gender treatment), not equal opportunity.

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I have no idea why you would be down voted for that comment. Is this sub being brigaded by feminists. Noticed an influx of people lately who espouse feminist theory.

[–]Hellstormer 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sort>controversial. This whole thread has definitely been brigaded.

[–]Throwawayingaccount 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The sub made it to front page of r SLASH all. Anytime that happens, a lot of people see it, and vote accordingly.

[–]morerokk 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll take the actions of feminists over the dictionary definition.

[–]mandel17 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You have given us the original definition of feminism. Unfortunately, the radical feminists of today seek outcomes much more sinister. They advocate the destruction of traditional family, gender as a social construct, and all men are rapists.

[–]smileistheway 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nice karmawhoring, you don't even know what feminism Is.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

It's probably not even worth commenting that feminism means equality between genders, but here I am anyway.

[–]AloysiusC 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No. Feminists say it means that (and even many feminists disagree btw.)

[–]kutwijf 24 points25 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Someone should probably tell third wave feminists that.

[–][deleted] 19 points20 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Nope lol, feminism has never been about equality for men. If you're looking for "everyone should be equal", that's egalitarianism.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I think egalitarianism is more of a philosophical ideology where as feminism refers specifically to the movement actively advocating for gender equality. As far as I understand, feminism and egalitarianism aren't mutually exclusive and actually overlap a lot, but I'm happy for others' input because I might have this wrong.

[–]EricAllonde 17 points18 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Feminism is the movement to increase women's power. There's no mechanism to "stop when equality is reached" or "not start when women are already privileged" in different areas.

[–]bufedad 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is that why the largest feminist organization in the US (NOW) has been fighting for decades to prevent fathers from getting equal custody of their children?

Why? Because any father that wants custody of their child is a domestic abuser who is using the courts to abuse their wives.

[–]thescourge 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh dear shakes head sadly

[–]unbelievablepeople 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Glad you're a supporter of men's rights, but that sign says nothing about men's rights. Critiquing feminism and supporting men's rights are two different things.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"I'm an usual demographic to be supporting this cause gib upvotes pls" go away lol

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's a clip from a video isn't it?

[–]reddit-name-asdfsdsf 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

wequality

[–]Ryzasu 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"I believe inequality"

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You kind of look like the woman reporter on The Rebel

[–]Imnotmrabut 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The op (we only have thier claim of sex) is using an image of Lauren Southern - they have already admitted this in prior comment.

All we have here is upvoting of sentiment and not reality. Men's Rights delas in facts, it's the feminists who are all about the declaration of sentiments

[–]ErryDayApu 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is that emoji waving, or sheepishly scratching their back?

[–]oodats 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Is that Lauren Southern? Because she's a dude you know.

[–]Throwawayingaccount 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

True, Lauren is now legally a man, but this particular picture is old. I think it's pre transition. (Please, correct me if I'm wrong)

[–]NYChamp 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

sweet summer child...

[–]cy1999aek_maik 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lauren southern?

[–]1011011 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is this the same woman who posted that stupid video why millennials suck?

[–]slash_dir 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So you're a supporter of mens rights but but women's rights?

[–]Bailie2 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

are there any that are like, "I support mens equal rights because I love dick"

[–]Drippyskippy 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You know this sub has been invaded when there are this many comments on an MRA topic. Especially considering all the top comments are mainstream politically correct statements in support of feminism.

[–]the_unseen_one 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This reminds me of that drawing of the difference between men and women taking a picture of something. The men's side just has the picture of the thing, and the woman's side has her face blocking half the thing. At the risk of sounding like a sexist dick, this is classic attention whoring.

That all being said, I appreciate the support and hope you can tolerate a good natured ribbing. Good to have you on board.

[–]sapper11d 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's Lauren southern. She's a man, and you are a karma whore.

[–]wiseprogressivethink 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Possible marriage material.

[–]foryouknowwho89 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Guy here with a question, and since this is the first time I've seen a men's rights post up this high, it goes to you! Just watched the red pill a few months ago, and am now in the men's rights camp, but do the two HAVE to be mutually exclusive? IMHO there are issues and injustices on both sides of the track, and I don't see any reason not to support both.

[–]WillMeatLover 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Anyone else discoing to this?

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