Feminist agrees with something they blamed "patriarchy" and "toxic masculinity" for in less than 30 minutes.

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Not all of us who are feminists are hateful. Sometimes people may come off that way until you try to look at things from both sides. That goes for both men and women. Or people in general.

Sometimes a woman could hate men because of how they have been treated by some and demand to be treated like an equal.

No one is morally superior than the other. Unless someone has really twisted morals then everyone is superior to them.

And there probably have been women and other men who rape men, but people usually think of it as ‘getting lucky’ for the guy, which is not cool for the guy who was raped. You don’t usually hear about the guys since it might not be reported because a guy might not realize that he can report it.

To be honest, rape sucks for both parties.

And both parties are equal. Although I think feminism is just calling for the same pay wages for men and women if they work the same type of job. This one is my opinion, you can disagree with it if you like

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I mean like repeatedly for that part, whether it’s by a single person or a group of people. I’m not saying it is an excuse, no one should be treated like dirt, but there are always two sides of things and it’s best to see both sides before making a judgement call.

I can see what you mean with disliking a whole gender/race/etc. based on one individual is a terrible thing. And I do agree with you on that.

But also a person, they may be female or male, could have been raised to hate a race just because they are different, which is horrible but that how they grew up and what they were taught. Which is definitely horrible and truly upsetting.

With the black thing, I feel like that is crossing the line. While some people, who are black, are like this. A majority of them aren’t like that, they all are amazing people.

Again, this is my opinion, and please do point out flaws in this if you believe there are any, I’m open for criticism.

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Not all of us who are feminists are hateful. Sometimes people may come off that way until you try to look at things from both sides. That goes for both men and women. Or people in general.

I'm aware that not all people who identify as Feminists are actively hateful, just like not everybody who registered as a Republican in the 2000s was homophobic. But Republicans in Congress, in the White House, in the media, and so on were overwhelmingly in opposition to marriage equality, there was plenty of support for shit like Conversion Therapy and "Pray the Gay Away," opposing repealing Don't Ask Don't Tell, and so on. So I consider it completely justifiable to say that the Republican Party was homophobic at that time. And the Feminists in positions of institutional power - in the media, in academia, in corporations, in activist groups, and in Government, are overwhelmingly anti-male.

Karen Straughan puts it more eloquently than I could.

tl;dr the Feminists who actually matter have a consistent track record of actively supporting, or actively opposing attempts to end, institutional discrimination against men. It does no matter what the "silent majority" believes because they aren't affecting the policy decisions of the Feminists with actual power.

Sometimes a woman could hate men because of how they have been treated by some and demand to be treated like an equal.

People like the user this thread is about aren't demanding to be treated like equals. They are demanding superior treatment. And quite frankly, I would be amazed if you can find someone who simultaneously openly hates men and is demanding equality. Not just saying they're demanding equality, but actually doing so. "I hate men, but we need to give them shorter prison sentences to make them equal with women! I hate men, but we need to end affirmative action in favor of girls in education because they're going to college at higher rates than men! I hate men, but we need to open more shelters for male domestic violence victims because they're underserved compared to women!" No, what I see is: "We should stop putting women in jail. For anything." ["Science has finally shown that girls are smarter at school than boys.]https://www.businessinsider.com.au/science-has-finally-shown-that-girls-are-smarter-at-school-than-boys-2015-1) "Kill All Men. The only real male domestic violence victims are the ones targeted by other men, and we need to cure them of toxic masculinity before they hurt others!"

No one is morally superior than the other. Unless someone has really twisted morals then everyone is superior to them.

Yes, no shit. My point is that you cannot simultaneously hold the position: "Women never / would never lie about rape, or if they do it's an insignificant problem" and "If we take rape of men by women seriously there will be an epidemic of men lying about women raping them" without believing women are morally superior.

And there probably have been women and other men who rape men, but people usually think of it as ‘getting lucky’ for the guy, which is not cool for the guy who was raped. You don’t usually hear about the guys since it might not be reported because a guy might not realize that he can report it.

To be honest, rape sucks for both parties.

Thank you, Captain Obvious. How exactly is this addressing the point?

And both parties are equal. Although I think feminism is just calling for the same pay wages for men and women if they work the same type of job. This one is my opinion, you can disagree with it if you like

You can think that all you like, but that's not just your opinion, that's straight-up factually incorrect. And that's not just me saying that, pretty much every Feminist on the planet would correct you if you said that was all the movement was doing. There's domestic violence, reproductive rights, parental rights, criminal justice and due process, bodily autonomy, and a whole other laundry list of issues that both Feminists and MRAs are involved with.

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Thank you for point out flaws in my post. This comment has showed me some things that are wrong. Although somethings here I meant as wanting everything to be equal for both sides. Such as one of the first things I said. Like seeing a story from both sides. Everyone has a story, and if two people have an argument and you hear only one side of the story, you might be prompted to hate the other person without knowing their side of the argument and their thoughts on it.

But I was also commenting on someone else’s and agreeing with them on a lot of points.

People like the user this thread is about aren't demanding to be treated like equals. They are demanding superior treatment. And quite frankly, I would be amazed if you can find someone who simultaneously openly hates men and is demanding equality. Not just saying they're demanding equality, but actually doing so. "I hate men, but we need to give them shorter prison sentences to make them equal with women! I hate men, but we need to end affirmative action in favor of girls in education because they're going to college at higher rates than men! I hate men, but we need to open more shelters for male domestic violence victims because they're underserved compared to women!" No, what I see is: "We should stop putting women in jail. For anything." ["Science has finally shown that girls are smarter at school than boys.]https://www.businessinsider.com.au/science-has-finally-shown-that-girls-are-smarter-at-school-than-boys-2015-1) "Kill All Men. The only real male domestic violence victims are the ones targeted by other men, and we need to cure them of toxic masculinity before they hurt others!"

I don’t think that women are superior than men. I believe they are equal and nothing more. But I was saying that a woman could be treated like dirt from a bunch of different guys and slowly begin to demand guys treat them with respect. This goes for both parties. I’m not being biased here, I’m just trying to state that this could very well happen

Again. Thank you for the corrections. I hope you have a good day, happy holidays and a wonderful new year.

Edit. I just reread what you said my thoughts on what you said changed. I do agree with you on thread, correct me if it’s not about the post. Because that’s what i believe you are saying.

I’m not sure about the hating men part and them having shorter prison sentences and the college part, and the domestic abuse. That part I did not know was part of the problem, thank you for pointing that out.

I personally don’t hate men or guys for that matter, frankly they are amazing and fun to hang around.

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I don’t think that women are superior than men. I believe they are equal and nothing more.

Again, I was not at any point talking about you. I was talking about the position taken by the Twitter OP.

I’m not sure about the hating men part and them having shorter prison sentences and the college part, and the domestic abuse. That part I did not know was part of the problem, thank you for pointing that out.

I was just using those as examples to make a point. People who are approaching gender issues from a position of "I hate them and it's justified because of what they did to me" are in practice not demanding respect or equality, they are calling for superiority and institutional discrimination. And, as you said, this goes for both sides. I can't think of any specific examples because quite frankly I value my mental health too much to read whatever garbage TRP or Return of Kings puts out, though.

Again. Thank you for the corrections. I hope you have a good day, happy holidays and a wonderful new year.

No problem. Thanks for being respectful and open-minded on Reddit of all places.

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Title	Feminist agrees with something they blamed "patriarchy" and "toxic masculinity" for in less than 30 minutes.
Author	TheSpaceDuck
Upvotes	68
Comments	19
Date	November 29, 2018 9:12 PM UTC (5 years ago)
Subreddit	/r/MensRights
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/feminist-agrees-with-something-they-blamed.889165 https://theredarchive.com/post/889165
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