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[–][deleted] 818 points819 points820 points 6 years ago (81 children) | Copy Link
Translation: I can't win any arguments so can everyone just stop talking for awhile.
[–]footytang 340 points341 points342 points 6 years ago (77 children) | Copy Link
Ask her if she thinks black men should be silent when she, as a white cis woman, is speaking. You might see sparks shoot out of her ears as her bullshit narrative is fighting with her virtue signaling chip.
[–]lulz3r 63 points64 points65 points 6 years ago (73 children) | Copy Link
Well, feminism is a white supremacist ideology so she'll find a way to justify lashing out against black men.
[+][deleted] -31 points-30 points-29 points 6 years ago (72 children) | Copy Link
Lol what? How does feminism have anything to do with race whatsoever.?
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[+][deleted] -26 points-25 points-24 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, but history is history. I doubt they were talking about history anyway? Still an interesting viewpoint,.
[–]jmkiii 25 points26 points27 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
history is history
All things that have ever happened are either history or prehistory.
[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It is a big stretch to conflate racism from the time before women got the vote with women or feminists today. White men from that time were presumably about as racist as the women. We have all changed.
Having been around both, the commitment to fight racism is much more in evidence on feminist sites than it is on MensRights, which seems to think that jumping straight to colour-blindness is feasible and desirable.
I haven't noticed any overt racism on this sub, but I seem to recall a bit in other men's sites.
I did not like how threads on BLM were censored for so long, nor the implication that if it were discussed it might turn into a destructive fight and reveal a racist element here. The agreement that police shootings of black people was purely a gender problem without a racial element looked like a cop-out to me, though I'm not in the US.
[–]jmkiii 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
the commitment to fight racism is much more in evidence on feminist sites
True, but I think that's probably just that both feminism and anti-racism are both mainstream liberal stances. MRAs seem to come from all over the spectrum. Maybe it was a legit concern, maybe not.
I'm curious, do you have a link to anything indicating censorship of BLM topics? It has been my experience that this sub is far less censored than subs like TwoX or Feminism. I'd be very interested to see anything to the contrary.
[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree on both points.
Moderation is very light here. I don't think I've ever been modded in 2 years and I'm often way out of line or directly opposed to the majority opinion.
On BLM censorship might not have been the right word. The mods put up a sticky explaining that they had initially been removing BLM posts as off-topic, and asking for opinions on how to proceed since there were a significant number of posts coming in.
[+][deleted] -21 points-20 points-19 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
This isn't 1789 anymore.
[–]dabige1230 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
15th ammendment was 1870. Granted, a really long time ago, but 1870. It wasn't till the 60s when racial discrimination in terms of "literacy tests" went away, and they didn't go away because of feminists.
Feminism hasn't been about "equality for all" (well it's never been about that) until at least the 3rd wave, which is 1990s... SO.... 20~30 years ago, max.
Not exactly.. 1789...
[–]lulz3r 10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (53 children) | Copy Link
It completely ignores the needs of minority women focusing exclusively in the wants of white women.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (51 children) | Copy Link
Again, what? How?
[–]lulz3r 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (45 children) | Copy Link
https://youtu.be/Ni-6RcDY-a4
Google for more info.
[–]borumlive 11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago (37 children) | Copy Link
bullshit, if you can't succinctly explain your point, you don't have a good point. don't say something ridiculous like implying that modern feminism is inherently racist, and then when challenged invoke the search of Google.
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Seriously what the fuck is going on here? Why am I being downvoted for saying feminism is not racist? How do people become so deluded that they think this way? Do they just hate feminism THAT much?
Fucking ridiculous. Not everybody you don't like is automatically racist or stupid.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Feminism isn't inherently racist towards minorities, that much is true and I agree.
However, Feminism can be considered bigoted en masse in a couple ways, partially concerning race. Cis white heterosexual males are often considered the enemy by them, which is obviously very divisive. The 'white' part comes in quite a lot, and this is part of why I think they're racist.
In addition, they have basically no concern for Women in third world counties who have actual problems, likely because it goes against the narrative of glorifying Islam. This is a thing because Left-wing politics is what harbors Feminism and their beliefs often tie in to Feminism's, so they rub off on eachother at least a little. I don't feel like going too far down the rabbit hole right now, but that is the gist of it. If Feminism was innocent and had good goals, they would be our allies and rally with us to denounce Islam, but instead they're holding us back and trying to rob Islam of the reform they need to fit in with civilized, Libertarian society. We're talking about countries where women are made to wear Burkas and get threatened with death if they're seen without their Hijab, but the nuts? They don't care.
[–]Funcuz 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hive mind bullshit. I'm guessing that a lot of the newer MRAs feel the need to belong to the in group. Once there's one downvote, there'll be more because it's blood in the water.
[–]Gay123456789101112 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
feminism is inherently racist and it is obvious.
[–]lulz3r 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link
It would take far too long to have a discussion about how feminism is racist. A quick google search would give you most of the answers you seek. Feminism does not promote equality among men and women, and it sure as hell does not promote equality for minority women.
[–]borumlive 10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link
well you've got me halfway partner! Feminism is absolutely not about equality for men & women, but I do not see how contemporary feminism in the mainstream is hurting racial minorities any more or less than Feminism is hurting everyone as a whole.
I would also suggest that if you cannot provide the answers, you must not have them or understand them. Again, you can't say "google search" for the answers, as i am confident we could each find support for our own arguments before looking at the support's sources.
These aren't the answers I seek; they're the answers you've come to rely on for your argument, and if you cannot make that argument AND provide source material/support for that argument, and you fall back to "Just google it!" then I really can't take your argument seriously.
Simply saying THERE'S A BOOGEYMAN! and telling me to check under my bed doesn't mean there is one, or ever was or will be, and you feel good patting yourself on the back as i run out to check. it's dumb... prove you're right or GTFO
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[–]lulz3r 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
The problem is that they ONLY care about the things that affect them. They disregard the needs of other disenfranchised sectors of the population, yet they pretend to be a voice for all women.
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[–]lulz3r -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
https://youtu.be/ILFMSuSCNaA
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Oh Jesus Christ... you aren't actually buying into that are you? I am far, far from a feminist but let's not pretend they're racist here. That's some black lives matter shit.
[–]lulz3r 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
White feminism is inherently racist. It's fine if you disagree.
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Holy shit you have to be some kind of brigader. Where did you come from?
[–]Funcuz 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Have you not noticed the vast majority of feminist bullshit? They don't hate black, brown, minority, Muslim men. They hate all men but the men they hate the most are CIS, white men.
Feminists live to complain. I personally find it to be a female trait rather than simply a feminist trait but the point still stands. These are the women who have somehow managed to make a career out of complaining. Why are you listening to this moron talk about how she perceives feminism instead of simply recognizing that to feminists, if you're white and male, feminists hate you more than anybody else. Bonus hate for being a Christian.
I see a huge imbalance in the number of articles on the needs of non-white cultures.
MRAs have practically none and even tried to avoid BLM.
Feminists have quite a few articles, and show far more sophistication in their understanding of race than the MRM, which often seems to think 1970's style colour-blindness is the end of human progress on racial issues.
[–]Funcuz 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Well, they may be downvoting you but I'm not one of them. What the fuck? Is this our new narrative, now? Feminists are white supremacists? I mean, if we can somehow manage to get feminism on the same moral page as racist nationalists, sure, I'm all for it. That being said, I don't think anybody outside of a tiny few zealots in the feminist movement have ever had any ties with the KKK. To me, if a tiny number of people is representative of the whole, how are we not all guilty of whatever other racists or sexists or whatever-else-ists care to accuse you of?
No. Fuck that. I'm not guilty of what nutcases and assholes do. I'm not at fault because Hitler was a male nor am I evil because Jim Crow was a racist. I didn't do it and I'm not going to do the exact same bullshit logic against others. Especially such tenuous logic.
Seems to me that feminism is crazy enough all on its own and doesn't need us to make shit up.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Seriously. I thought I was going crazy here. This sort of grouping mindset and way of thinking is exactly what is to be looked down upon when it comes to things like feminism and racism. It is so incredibly hypocritical to call feminists white supremacists.
[–]bassgdae -5 points-4 points-3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Because there are women of color with issues unique to them.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Uh....
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[+][deleted] 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
No, I'm just not a little butthurt buttboi who needs to bring race into everything.
[+][deleted] 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You caught me. I'm in independent young black woman who don't need no man.
[–]xRisingSunx 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's usually when the name-calling starts. HOMOPHOBE!! MISOGYNIST!! Or the chanting of whatever nursery rhyme they made up this week about the patriarchy.
Proof: I am a black male that has argued with third wave feminists.
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That's the beauty of arguing with someone whose views are based on postmodern deconstructionism: their position can be just as easily dismantled using their own logic as the position they rail against.
[–]tritisan 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I suffer from that malady as well.
[–]hellraiser24 10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Pretty much the same on reddit. "You're not automatically trriggered by this tiny sjw issue...death to you nazi."
Everyone but me and the people I agree with*
[–]infinitethrill -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
LISTEN & BELIEVE
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[–]NolanHarlow 55 points56 points57 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good riddance. Lucked out there, my friend
[–]AyakoSuma 15 points16 points17 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Definitely a win! Good riddance.
[–]redwinemamatreefrog 13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hahaha! I love people like that.
[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
And you put up with that?
I try to be very respectful of my wife's friends, and in truth we've all kind of merged together as mutual friends over the years. And my wife, I tend to believe, is a good judge of character in who she associates with.
If this thing were to show up and start down that path, it would go downhill very quickly. It may reinforce her narrative, but I will not have myself, my wife, nor anyone else subjected to such behavior under my roof. I would cut her rant off the moment she went belligerent.
In all honesty I probably would have hit below the belt if she pissed me off enough now that I think about it. Get the fuck out of our house you useless cunt sounds about right.
Equality doesn't mean what they want to warp it into. You behave civilized and understand there are consequences to actions. I will not disrespect you, and in turn I expect the same. We can have a conversation where we agree to disagree; I mean that happens all the time.
But if its not constructive, I wont stand for it. Not where I can help it.
[–]IShouldNotTalk15 points 6 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
I didn't put up with it, I stood my ground explaining that I was just trying to do her a favor. It was surreal how she just kept escalating the situation over someone trying to help her out. It did eventually degenerate into a name calling, raised voice argument. By the time she went to finally leave after being repeatedly asked to and saw the parking ticket under her wiper I was laughing at her on the front porch.
This all happened years ago and for a long while, I told my wife I didn't want her friend coming around me because I was fucking livid. But as time went by I softened my stance and my wife asked if her friend apologized then she could come to the house again. I said yes, but apparently, when my wife told her friend that she could come over again if she apologized she balked at the idea.
[–]LordBiscuits 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Probably balked because she didn't believe she should be the one to be apologizing!
Life is too short to deal with spunk bubbles like that.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Great job standing your ground!
[–]Dischump 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
https://youtu.be/irwMxYHdzBE
[–]Shanguerrilla 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Clearly you should talk more
[–]blackdog6621 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Now this is femsplaining (not women; feminists)
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Shows how fragile the female ego it. She cant cope with being proven wrong.
You know what they say....? Women drivers no survivors.
[–]thwml 283 points284 points285 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
[THREE DAYS LATER]
Waaaaaaaaah men aren't talking to meeeeee! This is misogyny!!!!!
[–]Appleseed12333 35 points36 points37 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Three days? That's how long it takes to write the article. She'll be crying about it by the end of the day.
[–]DaeusPater 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And then she wrote a blog : men explain things to me!
[Of course if you're an incompetent cunt, then some good-willed people might try to help you by explaining things]
[–]xRisingSunx 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I believe that is called the "Amy Schumer Effect".One week she whined about some guy being "creepy" by trying to talk to her, then soon after started whining about some hot, rich NFL player NOT talking to her.
Which one is misogyny talking or not talking? Oh yeah, it's 3rd wave feminism so it's both.
[–]jb_trp 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I too am aware of the ways of Jessica Valenti
[–]TankVet 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Damn patriarchy....
[–]tetraourogallus 182 points183 points184 points 6 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link
If anyone is strenghtening the idea that women are weak, fragile and helpless in this society it's feminists.
[–][deleted] 39 points40 points41 points 6 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link
Cannot agree more. Some people just wanna be princesses.
[+]MatrixAdmin -7 points-6 points-5 points 6 years ago* (21 children) | Copy Link
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[–]DoesntPlayVideogames 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Assuming that you arent being hyperbolic about that situation, that doesn't sound like any normal circumstance and there's probably many more factors to that family's dynamic than you're aware of, possibly in need of psychiatric care/diagnosis. /Armchair psychologist out
[+][deleted] -8 points-7 points-6 points 6 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link
This doesn't sound at all like the same thing. He just sounds like a brat. Also lol @ the father bit. Plenty of good people grow up without fathers or mothers and turn out just fine. His mom is probably a brat of her own, and judging by your apparent repeated need to correct a 17 year old, it sounds like you aren't far off.
[–]SaiHottari 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
Coming from single motherhood homes is the most common variable among prison inmates. Plenty grow up just fine, but not enough to justify it. Spoiling a child sets them up for missery and failure. It needs to be corrected. Either by counseling the child or repremanding the mother.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
I don't know if it has to do with either not having a mother or father. Mostly people who only grow up with one parent had an unstable parent to begin with, I think. It's stupid to turn this into either misogyny or misandry. Mothers are probably just the more likely to have custody. Not sure where you're coming from with justifying anything. I agree with the spoiling bit needing correcting, I just don't think you need both a mother and father to do it.
[–]SaiHottari 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I don't know if it has to do with either not having a mother or a father.
I'm not making this about mysandry. I wouldn't doubt single fatherhood would cause similar results... If we got custody, which we don't very often.
This is about single parenthood more that fatherhood or motherhood. I only said motherhood because it more common by orders of magnitude.
https://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2012/12/the-real-complex-connection-between-single-parent-families-and-crime/265860/
Fair enough
[–]PillTheRed -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Nope. Single dad's don't impart the statistical damage single moms do. Compare single mom and single fathers and you'll see that it is borderline child abuse to be raised by a single mom. The statistical disadvantages are just too great to not say it is a bad way to raise a human. Almost every negative measurable outcome is worse with a single mom. Doesn't happen with single dad's.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I don't think we're apples and apples here. Think about how over the top awesome you would have to be to win custody of your children from your ex wife in this country. An average woman will almost always win, an average man almost never will. So you're comparing what can be substandard mothers against model fathers in your example.
[–]JebberJabber 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly, the comparison is dishonest because male solo parents are have well-known objective advantages compared to female ones. They have more money, are more likely to own a house. I guess they would live in better neighborhoods with better schools, and be more likely to afford a private school, tutoring, health insurance, good medical care including a therapist and any psych meds needed.
For an honest attempt at a comparison the fathers would need to be compared to mothers matched for income and assets.
You can make the same dishonest comparison to lesbian and gay male parents and it is no surprise that they are considerably superior to straight parents in measurable ways.
Proof?
[–]chaun2 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Source? Those are some pretty outrageous claims you're making
[–]DarthCerebroX 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You can look up the statistics that show mothers are far more likely to abuse their children than their biological fathers.
The problem is though that some of those statistics lump step fathers, mothers boyfriend, and biological fathers into the same category... and those studies have vastly different results because step fathers and boyfriends of the mother also have high rates of abusing kids. So those studies that lump all the men together will show that men abuse children more..
But when you look at the studies that differentiate and specially compare bio mothers to bio fathers.... bio mothers abuse their children at an extremely higher rate.
So ... that's only one factor .
As the other people have mentioned.... children that come from single parent households are - more likely to end up in prison - more likely to drop out of school - more likely to be addicted to drugs - more likely to have depression and other mental health problems - more likely to commit violent crimes - more likely to abuse their children in the future
and on and on and on....
So clearly, single motherhood isn't this amazing wonderful thing like the media and mainstream society like to claim. Children that come from single mother households are far more likely to have shitty childhoods and be worse off later in life.
[–]PillTheRed 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
You need multiple sources and I'm at work without the time to provide them. I believe there isn't a ton of data on this because no one will fund a study to see who are better single parents. Search yourself, you'll see that the studies don't exist. So, you have to compare the data from single moms and then single dad's, then form your own opinion.
[–]JebberJabber -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
The obvious conclusion is to say that single fathers have more money and assets, and most importantly far less poverty and drug abuse and mental illness and delinquency than single mothers, and that all of those except income above medium level correlates highly with the bad things measured.
[–]Stevi100183 -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Delusional.
[–]PillTheRed 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Delusional for stating a statistical fact that has only been gone over a hundred times here already? You really don't think we have already checked these numbers here? I'm at work, look them up yourself. Sorry the truth hurts you.
[–]Stevi100183 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Whatever you say, pal.
[–]borumlive 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
gaaaaaaad damn!
[–]rainman206 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Strong women forge ahead.
Feminists (some) just want to complain about not forging ahead.
[–]Stevi100183 -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Bingo!
[–]fengpi 107 points108 points109 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I'm glad this woman can expertly lecture men on the contents of their always-impure impulses. Perhaps she can even correct us and tell us exactly why we are wrong, in a way that would be called "mansplaining" were she to take her prosthetic silicone dick outside of her bedroom and shove it down the front of her pants?
[–]borumlive 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
yeah fuck her, seriously.
[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I liked how she does the opposite of what you claim. She doesn't lecture or even speculate on the contents of our impulse to correct.
She doesn't say our impulse is always impure, and she doesn't suggest anyone but ourselves should be trying to judge if they are. All she does is suggest an exercise which might reveal more to the impulse to correct a woman than just the desire to avoid bad things happening via ignorance.
This is not mansplaining or femsplaining.
[–]fengpi 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She couldn't mansplain to anybody even if she tried, for she is a woman! And there is no such thing as femsplaining, silly! Just righteous truth-telling handed-down from on high from my infallible moral superiors. I think you haven't been paying attention.
[–][deleted] 74 points75 points76 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Feminist: Waah, society is so unfair. Air conditioning is sexist.
Men: ...
Feminist: Uh, emoji equality? All the female emojis suck.
Feminist: ...ALL MEN ARE PIGS.
Men: Hey, what the hell is wrong with you?
Feminist: Oh, are you going to complain now? Why do you feel the need to butt into my every discussion? It's not like you should care. You should just try to keep your mouth shut and let women talk about their issues.
[–]borumlive 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
i'm all for having women discuss their issues, and i believe they should have the right do so separated from men if they so choose.
there are tons of rural areas to go settle in the great north that is Canada, go there. lol
[–]TheRealTakazatara 13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Don't send them here we already have too many of these idiots.
[–]MomoYaseen -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Please explain. I'm in southern Canada.
I've noticed more and more that modern day third wave militant feminism behaves like it was devised in South Park and like Cartman, despite him being male, runs it.
That's actually pretty fucking spot on!!!
[–]HeForeverBleeds 65 points66 points67 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
there may be more in your impulse to correct her than you are aware of
Another feminist making conclusions that precede any evidence. Maybe there isn't any more in the 'impulse'? And does she suppose that men who correct other men and women who correct men are driven by the same mysterious thing? or that such people don't exist? or that such people are exceedingly rare?
She definitely seems to be making a lot of presumptions. Either way, silencing a demographic is not equality
[–]MatrixAdmin 30 points31 points32 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
TIL feminists consider logical, reasonable thinking as an undesirable "impulse". That really does explain a lot, actually.
TIL feminists are not the only one with this issue, especially on Reddit.
Neurologists long ago proved that logical, reasonable thinking does indeed start as impulses deep in the emotional parts of the brain. That's how we decide what to pay attention to and how to approach it. Logical, rational stuff gets added later, up in the cortex. Subjectively we experience our thinking as if it started rationally, but that is very often not true. Our motivations are heavily involved with emotions.
A lot of our thinking is not available to consciousness. For example people have a great deal of knowledge about grammar and work with it all the time to construct and interpret language, but hardly any of this activity is available to consciousness. If you want consciously find out what your rules of grammar are you can't just introspect. Typically you might try a few variations and see what sounds right. Or you might generate some instances relevant to your question and see if you can discern a pattern in these products of your unconscious language machinery.
Humans did not know how little we understood about grammar until we started trying to write books on it. Later we found it is even more complex, when we tried to write computer programs for translation and use of natural language with computers.
[–]Littletank11 28 points29 points30 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Here is another option for women, if men say something incorrect just let it go, even if your instinct is to correct it. Just stop talking. Sew your damn lips shut, stop making noises, and refuse to get in an argument you know Jack shit about.
[–]oireachtas5 points 6 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
This applies to some men too
[–]Littletank11 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
For sure. I've gotten into arguments and realized halfway through it wasn't what I thought it was. I (usually) claim ignorance at that point.
[–]MatrixAdmin -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I wish I could have an actual female debate coach score our arguments based on logical reasonable debate criteria. I'm quite sure that I would win every single time.
[–]Littletank11 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No, you would always lose, because "My oppression"
the fact you think it should matter the sex of an impartial judge, means you don't understand.
you must surely believe that ALL MEN must be unable to separate their identity from objective reason & logical thought.
Which really just means you're a sexist, and proving true the need for this sub.
[–]perplexedm -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That way you will achieve world peace. Conspiracy theorists say the forces to be are totally against that idea. /s
[–]Littletank11 -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Right, it's those goddamn spy cows.
[–]PM_me_ur_swimsuit 19 points20 points21 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I've been doing this with a woman I work with. She'll come up with some idea that I'll know won't work, but I'll just let her go with it. She finds out later that she fucked up most of the time and then complains when she has a mess to clean up. It can be pretty fun to watch.
[–]theothermod[M] [score hidden] 6 years ago stickied comment (2 children) | Copy Link
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[–]jaib91 points 6 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
This has hit r/all?
[–]theothermod 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's getting a lot of comments.
[–]68696c6c 17 points18 points19 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Jokes on her I say nothing to women all the time
[–]mcavvacm 11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"What's wrong, 68696c6c?"
"sigh...Nothing."
[–]WillMeatLover 21 points22 points23 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I do that all the time. I am literally silently watching while an inferno consumes the civilization that I grew up in. Nothing to do but laugh. Burn baby burn, disco inferno!
[–]Dead_Art 13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"I might talk a lot of bullshit but you're the bad one for calling it bullshit."
[–]asillyduck_ 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
How about you as a random woman, not go up to your random stranger and say things obviously intended to betray and portray your desire to control them, control their freedom to speak. Then act all offended when they do.
[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You're going to put that gold plated mug in the microwave?
Sure...go ahead. I'll be just running going down the shop...
[–][deleted] 19 points20 points21 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Short answer: no
Long answer : noooooo!
[–]RapeMatters 11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
After she gets done talking to men everywhere, can she talk to my mother?
[–]rooolng 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Then they complain they can't get anywhere at work because nobody wants to train them or work closely with them. Them being this type of feminist cancer.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Feminist ramblings of an old friend from highschool that I have on Facebook....
"Who run the world? Girls! Who underground? Men, sometime in the near future. Happy International Women's Day! Enjoy us while you're above ground and able to, my dudes. 🚺💯👭👑"
In response to an article about the Earth becoming too hot to sustain life: "I have some ideas we can bounce around.. No more personal cars. Only busses and bikes are allowed. That should cut down on the erosion of the O zone layer a teensy bit. Stop with the oil/gas obsession. We have clean, renewable energy LITERALLY BURNING A HOLE IN OUR ozone POCKET. That is free!! Just have to figure out infrastructure. Seriously, if your building doesn't have solar panels or a wind turbine out back, GTFOTP. (Get the fuck off the planet) lastly, and most importantly, put all men underground. With half the world's population gone we've just solved World Hunger, Overpopulation, and reduced our carbon footprint by AT LEAST 50%, if not by like 95% by biking everywhere and finding new energy sources. I'm just saying when me and Beyoncé run the world, get ready to make some fuckin changes.
A response to a valid argument against the previous post: "Yeah but you guys made yourselves obsolete by filling sperm banks. We can keep going. If you tried that with us, you couldn't. Seems so simple to me. We have boy babies who are raised in a society that values women. We'll be fine. Again, I appreciate the feedback but it really won't matter ultimately."
Definitely cancerous......
[–]MagicTire 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Enjoy us while you're above ground and able to, my dudes.
Enjoy? With women like that, what's to enjoy?
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not a fucking thing. She is unbearable in almost every aspect of life at this point. I really do feel bad for her husband though..... He's always making comments like, "You'll come and visit me underground, won't you honey??"
[–]Judas9451 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Can a woman please explain to Summer Brennan that it is improper to end a sentence with a preposition. She did this in her last post, ending in "of." I would, but I'm a man, and it is apparently wrong if I point out Summer's wrong.
Wait... maybe if we get a scientist in here (a female scientist, of course), we can finally go on record about what happens with two wrongs: do they equal a right, such a feminist doing something incorrectly? Do they equal a larger wrong, such as a man pointing out a woman's error? My dull, male brain is confusing itself. /s
[–]MagicTire 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Can a woman please explain to Summer Brennan that it is improper to end a sentence with a preposition.
"Ending sentences with prepositions is where it's at!" :/
[–]Rockbottom503 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
because being born with a vagina means you can never be wrong 🙄🙄🙄
[–]Cryhavok101 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
No, she is saying being born with a vagina should let her be allowed to be wrong and the whole world accommodate her ignorance and allow her to persist in it.
[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
This is actually reality for most of the men living in relationships.
[–]SpiritofJames 11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Not here. And I think it's one of the things that made our relationship strong, despite the fact that she considers herself a feminist.
[–]supacrusha 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Have you tried to convince her to change her view of herself? I mean, shes already about as dissimilar to a feminist as it gets.
[–]SpiritofJames 11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
How's that? And yea, we've had a number of tough conversations. In the end, though, we're both certain that the other is acting in good faith.
[–]Cryhavok101 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
In my case, if I think my SO isn't acting in good faith, she wouldn't be my SO very much longer. That trust is basically sacred.
[–]SpiritofJames 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Agreed
[–]Aeponix 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Can't say that's the case for me. I established lines of equality early on, and she knows I will call her out on her crap.
She's pulled the "you're my boyfriend, you should support me even when I'm wrong" mindset once or twice, but after I gave her some time to cool down she understood.
[–]BlaringBlaze 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
M:You can't just lay down and take a nap on this road.
F:Stop mansplaining!
M:k, whatever.
Later in news Next woman killed on road in recent months. Is it a serial road killer?
/s formatting is a bitch on mobile
Good thing I'm an attack heli.
[–]StackHack 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If I say nothing they might get the impression that they are right, that's not gonna happen.
[–]pintocat 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Or she could just try not being wrong. Just for the day
Because women love being ignored...
[–]v574v 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I should keep my children in the sun without sunscreen?
I guess second degree burns on my kids is a small price to pay to save a woman's ego?
[–]TheJazzProphet 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's amazing that she can say something so on the nose and yet be completely ignorant of it.
[–]Mythandros 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She needs to stop femsplaining to us men.
[–]jokoon 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah that's what I do, I just let them be wrong by their own self. I just say that I disagree and that it's okay and everything.
By definition it perpetuates the idea that women are over emotional people that cannot think using reason.
I guess, why not, after all?
[–]SpeedDart1 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No, if someone is wrong, correct them, no matter the gender.
I would tell women the same thing, and be burned at the stake for it.
"If you disagree, even if i'm wrong, just don't say anything. Let it go, as a lark!"
[–]JAYDEA 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's a weird kind of equality.
[–]Gay123456789101112 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
can you imagine being one of the sad fucks in a relationship with a feminist like this? holy shit. you must have to be the largest white knight cuck imaginable.
[–]BruceCampbell123 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
So you should let them be wrong because they're a women? Christ, that's sexist.
[–]redmagistrate50[🍰] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I have a better suggestion. If you're wrong I'll just laugh. I won't correct you, I won't explain myself. I'll just laugh like a demented hyena until you stop talking rubbish.
[–]MycHunt692 points 6 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
Can someone Mansplain what this cunt is trying to say for me?
Short version: I'm a whiny bitch
Long version: I refuse to ever admit I'm wrong, even when I'm definitely wrong. If I'm wrong, you need to tell me I'm right. I hate men for some reason I can't explain rationally...... Oh, and I'm a whiny bitch.
[–]danimalplanimal 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
there may be more in your fear of being corrected when you're wrong than you are aware of
[–]TrulyStupidNewb 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That means a woman will win every single court trial if there aren't any women on the opposition. How is that a fair trial?
[–]AntiAbleism 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's how 99% of women feel.
Oh you mean, mansplaining. I love how we're not even allowed to tell women that they're wrong anymore. Fucking children.....
[–]bearslikeapples 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
this is not feminism, she's just stupid
[–]wildozure 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
How about....nah.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Good lord. This has to be a troll account, right?
[–]ChaosOpen 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's verified...
[–]OnTheBorerland 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Brutal...
[–]supacrusha 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This needs to be upvoted, if this gets to r/all, it will be so much better than all those humour and troll posts.
[–]tdltuck 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The problem with what she's saying is that it has nothing to do with gender. Some people feel compelled to respond to anything they disagree with and she's throwing in the idea that it might be because of a gender difference. My feeling is if she had ever been a dude, people would verbally disagree with her just as frequently.
[–]lulz3r 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
But that wouldn't fit with their narrative, so yeah.
[–]JackGetsIt 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Imagine a society where you can walk around and not only saw whatever you want but do whatever you want without any reprisals. You are now a women living in the west.
[–]Mr_MRAnarchist 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The irony is that she is tweeting all this out on a social media platform invented by men, on the internet invented by men, using her smartphone/ computer invented by men, because men correct the people who have the wrong information around them...
[–]11711510111411009710 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Eh. Feminists are fine. Feminazis are shit.
[–]hork23 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Feminism was always bigoted.
[–]11711510111411009710 -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Do you know actual feminists?
[–]hork23 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Non-sequitur. It is irrelevant whether I know feminists or not in the judgement of whether their ideology promotes bigotry or was always bigoted. An individual feminist does not prevent nor necessarily mean that their ideology does not espouse certain values and conclusions.
In their own words, "This is what feminism means to me." Of course there will be some subset that will not perpetuate the toxic values intrinsic to their chosen label. Does that mean that feminism does not teach those same values? Of course not, we can see these values in their written works, the motivation behind pushing for certain laws or policies, in their speeches when interviewed, and most of all in the attitudes of the vast majority of the adherents of feminism.
This paradigm can be summed up as this, "Man bad, women good. Man oppressor, women oppressed." ALL work derived from such a mode of thought necessarily leads to discrimination and a denial of reality. These foundational concepts are the most vehemently defended and guarded of all their rhetoric.
And before you try to dismiss these examples in the video in an effort to mimic me, these are the big voices of feminism. They are the one's creating feminist theory. If you want anyone to believe that they couldn't possibly represent the majority view in feminism then show some proof that the majority of feminists are condemning these people, their works, and everything created based on it. I don't see that happening in any respect.
[–]11711510111411009710 -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Is feminism an actual organisation with an identifiable leadership and followers, or just a word? I would argue the latter. It's a word used to identify anyone from people who just want equality to people who want women to be treated better than men.
So yes, in that case, it does matter if you know any.
And since you'll claim I'm dismissing your sources and demanding I show proof that the majority don't share those views, can you show me proof that the majority do share those views?
[–]hork23 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
"Is feminism an actual organisation with an identifiable leadership and followers"
NOW. It's not that hard to look up this stuff. Implying there is no actual feminist organizations? There are hundreds of feminist groups. Just wow dude, the laziness involved here. Or maybe it's ignorance, or dogma.
"I would argue the latter. It's a word used to identify anyone from people who just want equality to people who want women to be treated better than men."
It's an ideology which means there are foundational beliefs, approved methods, spokesmen (not gonna change that), and essentially doctrine about how to be a feminist. Why are you refusing to acknowledge any of the prominent voices that contributed to how feminism formed or grew? Did you bother watching those videos I link by Karen Straughan? Look at their actions, not their words, to understand what they actually believe.
"So yes, in that case, it does matter if you know any."
No. Make an argument for why I should answer this inane question or piss off with this.
[–]11711510111411009710 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
All right well thanks for proving there's an organization, but you're kind of being a dick, so if you want anybody to take your side I suggest you stop.
What are the approved methods? Are these approved in every organisation? Who are the spokesmen specifically? Do they represent NOW? What's the doctrine, and can you prove it? You can certainly show how, for example, NOW does it, but NOW is one organization, and it's not like a political party where all feminists have a general shared doctrine. The one shared belief is, fight for equality. I'm not refusing to acknowledge anything, because there is nothing to acknowledge besides the fact that some feminists are shitty people, and some are good people.
You should answer my question because you would stop making blanket statements over millions of people. Do you like it when they say ALL MEN ARE BAD? If you don't, then it's hypocritical for you to act like all feminists are cancer, or even the majority, when you have no statistical evidence that either of those is the case.
[–]hork23 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
"What are the approved methods?"
If you want to know exact methods, listen to what they say but then watch what they do. A general thing that they advocate for is more privileges/rights for women and putting all the responsible/accountability onto men. We can see this in action through child support and custody reform (50/50). They play lip service to changing laws for "equality" but when the chance appears they oppose reforms that would do so.
"Are these approved in every organisation?"
The end goal? Mostly yes, but the methods? I don't know, I don't keep a running tally.
"Who are the spokesmen specifically?"
Big name feminists in each "wave" and those that get a lot of attention, just a small sample of their words. But you might say those are just words, just like I stated earlier. Valerie Solanas (whose work is being taught in women/gender studies) wrote the SCUM Manifesto went out to kill a man because he rejected her play.
But again you might object, 'She was mentally ill or a solo actor! Of course she can't represent the entire movement!' I'd argue that this mindset of radical activism (violating others rights) is the norm.
"What's the doctrine, and can you prove it?"
I haven't been bored enough or that willing to inflict self-harm to delve into feminist literature myself all that often. In addition, feminism has tried to make every area of academia one which falls under the feminist ideology, i.e. feminist algebra (yes really) or feminist criminology. Again, listen to what they say then watch what they do.
However, here's an example of their advocacy in domestic violence, the Duluth Model. This is a feminist brainchild based on patriarchy theory in which men are the predominant aggressors (which is defined by who is bigger and stronger, hmm wonder if that means men) and women are the victims. What do they do with all those male victims of DV? They either group them as women or make them disappear.
"it's not like a political party where all feminists have a general shared doctrine"
Yes, but it's an ideology which has created patriarchy theory (warning, robo voice) as one of its foundational principles.
"The one shared belief is, fight for equality."
That's what they like to say, and as a tactic aimed at disarming their opposition it works brilliantly. I mean, who would be against equality?
"I'm not refusing to acknowledge anything"
Please tell me you at least listened to those Karen Straughan videos while you were taking a shit or something. I know they are somewhat long but it really is worth it, more so than many of the links I've provided so far (shorter than reading).
"because there is nothing to acknowledge besides the fact that some feminists are shitty people, and some are good people."
I agree but I think that feminism encourages shitty behavior so it's harder to be a good person while being a feminist due to the consequences of those beliefs.
"You should answer my question because you would stop making blanket statements over millions of people."
When talking about an ideology and its effects on millions I think one cannot talk about it on an individual case, it must be approached through a general perspective. Knowing one feminist or mathematician won't give any idea about how the group acts. But how about this as a compromise, nearly everyone is raised and taught in schools to be a feminist. What I mean by this is that many feminists beliefs are taught in schools as fact, spread throughout culture as some historical tidbit, and certainly given sway in consideration of policies.
An example, women were historically oppressed. Nearly everyone believes this to be true. Yet, this is historical revisionism by feminists. Truth is, life was shit for everyone and men were oppressed right alongside those women either by tyrants or warlords. To believe that a woman's father, husband, son, or brother would deliberately set out to harm those that they loved and cared for REQUIRES a belief that men are inherently bad, evil, or in some way broken or inhuman (compared to women of course).
"Do you like it when they say ALL MEN ARE BAD?"
Factually untrue unless you want to be put some ridiculous conditionals on that. You might argue that I have said the same. I have not, I stated that feminiSM was bigoted, not feminiSTS.
"If you don't, then it's hypocritical for you to act like all feminists are cancer, or even the majority, when you have no statistical evidence that either of those is the case."
Which I never did, so perhaps you ought to correct your misunderstanding.
"but you're kind of being a dick"
This is the internet, welcome 4 year old noobie (I guess?). I stated my opinion about your ACTIONS, not your character.
"so if you want anybody to take your side I suggest you stop."
Few people even bother to consider, and no it's not because those of my persuasion are too brusque or offensive. It's a matter of ideology and our biological disposition to believing things about that ideology.
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The tender years doctrine is a legal principle in family law since the late nineteenth century. In common law, it presumes that during a child's "tender" years (generally regarded as the age of four and under), the mother should have custody of the child. The doctrine often arises in divorce proceedings.
SCUM Manifesto
SCUM Manifesto is a radical feminist manifesto by Valerie Solanas, published in 1967. It argues that men have ruined the world, and that it is up to women to fix it. To achieve this goal, it suggests the formation of SCUM, an organization dedicated to overthrowing society and eliminating the male sex. The Manifesto is widely regarded as satirical, but based on legitimate philosophical and social concerns.
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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link
There's an element of intrigue. One thing I've found to be extremely common is that men tend not to pick their battles. Everything is a battleground, everything needs to be corrected, and the only thing that's important is making sure everyone is always 100% factual.
I too, would be interested in seeing what would happen if guys were more selective about picking fights and arguing fact. Sure, lies and inaccuracies aren't helpful, but how many times can you think back in your own life where you got into a spat with someone over topics that were astoundingly irrelevant, simply because you heard them say something you took as being incorrect?
[–]DRU-ZOD1980 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link
Arguing fact is important. Only with factual information can we ever move forward. Let's say you were going around spouting off some stupid thing that just isn't true like "the wage Gap exists" wouldn't you want someone to stop you from looking like a damned fool?
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
Pay equity is an important issue worth debating though. What about all the meaningless day-to-day stuff that you'd never even think about if the topic wasn't raised to you? Non-political stuff, for example. Hollywood-level stuff.
Let's say, for example, that you're in a library in December, and just some woman you're chatting up amid the bookshelves says "You really ought to read A Christmas Carol by Charles Dickenson, it's far better than watching one of the movies about it" - you might be tempted to stop her and say "His name is Charles Dickens"... but is it really that important to put her on the spot over that? Do you really want to be that asshole? As much as his name is not Dickenson (which I hear a fucking LOT), it's not ruining society to let someone pronounce a name wrong.
[–]DRU-ZOD1980 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link
There is no wage Gap to debate was the point. As for the literary reference I would probably tell her I believe you mean Dickens. It's the same concept it's better than letting her walk away and look like a complete idiot. I don't think anybody wants to look like a fool and by allowing her to continue going Dickinson when most people already know it is Dickens you are letting her Play the full fool, why not help her out and correct the misinformation?
[–]Kwazimoto1691 points 6 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
Womyn: I love Charles Dickenson's A Christmas Carol! Man (politely): I think you mean Charles Dickens. Womyn: Oh! Em! Gee! There you go mansplaining again, thinking you know everything!
Womyn1: I love Charles Dickenson's A Christmas Carol! Womyn2: You mean Charles Dickens. Womyn1: Huh? Oh. Em. Gee! You're right! It is Charles Dickens! Ha ha! I'm such a silly!
[–]DRU-ZOD1980 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Scene one is Liv47 lol.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
There is no wage Gap to debate was the point.
It was an example for fucksakes. Don't turn this into a discussion about that.
As for the literary reference I would probably tell her I believe you mean Dickens.
Why? Why waste the time putting her on the spot? Do you think she'll never see the name again? Do you think she'll start teaching about Charles Dickenson and setting off a chain reaction that makes the whole world forget that it's Dickens?
you are letting her Play the full fool, why not help her out and correct the misinformation?
Because it's not my responsibility to make sure everyone is knowledgeable about everything. And the potential argument you could spare yourself from is worth the brief sting of biting your tongue. Her life will not be any more fulfilled after having been corrected, and neither would yours. So where's the benefit?
[–]DRU-ZOD1980 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
It isn't putting her on the spot to say "It's Dickens". It's flat out stupid to say otherwise.
Because it's not my responsibility to make sure everyone is knowledgeable about everything. And the potential argument you could spare yourself from is worth the brief sting of biting your tongue. Her life will not be any more fulfilled after having been corrected, and neither would yours. So where's the benefit? It's not your responsibility to be kind but you should anyway. Letting someone be thought of as a fool and likely laughed at for an easily fixable misunderstanding is pretty low.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
I imagine you get into a lot of unnecessary fights. But hey, if that's the opinion you wanna have, best of luck to ya.
[–]DRU-ZOD1980 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Not particularly because most of the people I deal with are far more reasonable than you.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
You mean more complicit. You surround yourself only with people who agree with you, or people lacking the spine to stand up to you. You clearly need more people in your life who disagree with you, because it's given you one hell of an ego.
[–]DRU-ZOD1980 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Plenty of people disagree with me and as reasonable people we talk it out. What you're doing now is projection of your issues onto me.
[–]Cryhavok101 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I would say something like "Hey I was trying to google them, did you means Dickens? It's the name i am finding, but I want to make sure it's the same guy."
That is if I would say anything. Saying it that way lets them realize their mistake without it being someone else correcting them, and puts us both on the same level. Most of the time though, unless I know them, I probably won't say anything.
That might work with something more obscure than Charles Dickens' A Christmas Carol. X3
But how will they learn?
[–]Volcanic-Penguin 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Then don't bash mgtow and we're good
[–]heard_enough_crap 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
by all means, cross on the red.
[–]dontdoxmebro2 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
How bout she just ignore things she doesn't like like a big girl?
I think it's evolution at work. The weak and offended are unable to ignore things they don't like, which makes them easily identifiable. Hopefully they will eventually be weeded out and people can say what they think without the irrational backlash. It would have been easier if people had just taught their children that nobody really cares about their opinions and feelings in the real world though......
[–]shopdog3g 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Can't Understand Normal Thinking.
[–]Knittingpasta 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I just got cancer just reading this
Not helping other people correct mistakes is easier, but letting them spread false information is more harmful.
[–]Is_thememe_deadyet 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My ex-girlfriend tried to argue with me that minors can get tattoos in Oregon with parental permission, aside from simply pulling up the state law, I'm a minor who got a tattoo in Montana after doing extensive research. She said to just let it go.
[–]SilentSaboteur 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Who is this woman and why does she have a tick mark ?
this is, by definition, gaslighting (if I am not mistaken)
[–]Apexbreed 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Guys, I think we should take her advice. Never correct or help a female again unless she is a non-feminist family member that you care about. Let them be wrong and watch them fail. It will be a fun experiment. I'm starting today. I swear it.
[–]lackofagoodname 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lol what the hell do you think we do in arguments with women?
Just because women "always win arguments" doesn't mean they're not blatantly wrong.
I assume the only way an adult could believe something as childish as this is if they have another agenda to support. Like maybe, we should be able to treat men however we want and any fault in my life is a result of me being a victim of some lurking, intangible problem in society.
[–]CloaknPoke 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Reading this has made me dumber
[–]shaboi_mike 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The cancer in this bitch is strong
[–]numb3red 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This post's title is cancer too tbh
[–]christianlazard 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Listen up, male doctors and nurses. If you feel that your female co-worker is terribly wrong about what to do with your patients, just keep it to yourself. I won't hurt, right? Well at least not you.
[–]lexpython 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Even without an opponent, she just goes on, needing the last word...against herself?
Or ignore her and let her die alone.
[–]MagicTire 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As the saying goes, "Silence constitutes acceptance". Even if she is blatantly wrong? By having us not say anything, she basically wants us to pretend we agree, even if we don't. How does that work?
You can't win a debate by not letting the other person speak.
[–]Emmyjay225 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Feminists blatantly ignore some of the privileges women enjoy
[–]Karldatrombone 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you're gonna be mad at feminists, don't just say something like that. We don't get anywhere that way. I made the same mistake, don't worry.
[–]TigPlaze 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Summer Brennan, here's another option: Try treating men like human beings. Or go amuse yourself with a dildo and never talk to another member of the human race.
[–]leon-theproffesional 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
what a dumb fucking bitch
[–]Bruh45 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wasn't it a guy who tweeted this? I don't remember it being this woman.
The fact that people are sometimes wrong and sometimes should be corrected goes without saying, yet people here seem heavily invested in saying it loudly and repeatedly and in many different words.
All this stuff about not correcting a woman's belief about [thing with obvious bad consequence] is avoidance of her point, which is that the impulse to correct women sometimes has more to it than the corrector is aware of.
She's suggesting a potential learning experience, for just one day out of our whole lives. She isn't saying what extra motivations for correcting women might exist, nor is she saying everybody has them. She's not "silencing half the human race". So why was that accusation made?
To get the benefit from this sort of exercise it is necessary to experience it. In this thread people are skipping that step and just making up their data. Unsurprisingly, nobody reports learning anything. That's how science works folks. You need to actually do experiments.
Here's another option for feminists. When someone criticizes a woman's position, try to not think of the fact that it's a woman they're criticizing. Focus on the points being made, and ignore the gender of everyone involved.
Gender has literally nothing to do with anything in an argument. If you're wrong, you're wrong.
[–]theothermod 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Posting of Facebook screenshots must be done with the names covered.
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[–]theothermod 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Okay, I've restored it.
[–]oliefan37 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I have before. Usually when I isolate myself in my room for the day
[–]Lethn -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sometimes that can actually be a healthy thing to do, just take a break and then come out swinging and refreshed and then these fuckers won't know what hit them.
[–]chambertlo -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She sounds like the type of cunt that will never be able to keep a man, and any man that does decide to deal with her bullshit will probably end up cheating on her.
[+][deleted] -7 points-6 points-5 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
How is this cancerous? She's not saying to be silent when a woman is wrong, but rather to stay silent when you disagree with a woman. Her point, I think, is to say that you might disagree solely because she is a woman, and she might not be wrong at all. Try staying silent when you disagree so you can analyze whether or not it's a knee-jerk reaction or if you actually disagree.
[–]CreeperCooper 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I agree with your comment, but well.. she does say
Even if she is blatantly wrong.
So I can see how people start hating on this.
True enough.
[–]candidly1 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
It's not a revelation; it's referred to as "picking your battles". I have been practicing it for decades.
Source: A man still happily married going on 30 years.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Wouldn't you rather just say how the fuck you feel?? If you can't speak your mind, how on earth can you be that happy?? I can assure you happiness includes saying what you think without worrying about being cold shouldered by your wife!!
[–]candidly1 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Turn the situation around; would you want her breaking your balls about every little thing?
[–]candidly1 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's a question of how you want to play it. If you really want to debate very little issue, and are comfortable doing so, good for you. My SO and I tend to want to save our energy for the big things.
No judgment; if it works for you god bless.
[–]cthulhusinthekitchen -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This isn't cancerous, this is common courtesy.
She's not suggesting to never correct women, she's just saying that you don't have to be hard lined on everything. Sex aside, haven't you ever met someone who always had to be right? It's irritating.
There's a lot of baggage here. This was blown way out of proportion.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
OR OR OR we could talk when we want to because mansplaining is just a word created by feminists for when a man tries to prove his point.
[–]Apexbreed 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
That makes your husband and condescending asshole. Just like one of my ex-girlfriends was. It's not a sex/gender issue. It's a basic respect issue. Women and men both do it, so applying a gendered term to it is needlessly bigoted.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I absolutely agree, it's not a gender issue. I am extremely sarcastic, and also an asshole. We have been together for 14 years, and still love each other like we did as kids. Regardless of our flaws, we work through our issues and keep things going. In order for me to be myself and not get any shit in return, I'd probably have to be in a relationship with a man that has no balls. That just wouldn't work for me. I prefer a man that will stand up and tell me I am being unreasonable, just as I do to him when he acts like an ass. At times we are both giant douche bags, but we stand up for ourselves, and it balances out.
[–]Apexbreed 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Sounds a lot like my marriage actually. Hopefully I can say "together for 14 years" one day too. Three years has been hard enough lol. Cheers!
[+]wtph -9 points-8 points-7 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Wow who gives a fuck. Why are you people so butt hurt for something some nobody said? Is this really the extent of your problems?
[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You know, I've been on this planet a few decades. I've met a LOT of people who started a response the way you just did. Every SINGLE ONE of them was a stupid thug.
So did you just decide to ignore the leftist "listen and believe" articles, or do you just live with your head up your ass?
I don't think anyone is butt hurt.....it's just ridiculous. It basically boils down to: 'We both know I'm wrong but you shouldn't say anything because I'm a woman...' As a woman, that's idiotic, and really doesn't emphasize equality. It just makes us look like weak bitches that can't handle the truth. That's just my opinion of course, if you disagree, that is okay too, Opinions that differ from my own don't hurt my feelings (.)
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As much of a dumbass this person is. I can't be dealing with "Feminists are literally cancer" I'm unsubbing. Downvotes this way please.
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I like how you didn't sensor her name
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I agree with this woman's sentiment.
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If you are not being sarcastic, do you mind explaining why?
[–]loddfavne -5 points-4 points-3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Actually, I agree with her. Don't try to win all arguments. Give women the silent treatment instead.
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She should take her own advice - we've been waiting a hell of a long time for women to STFU
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Well that's not the right attitude.
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What does this have to do with men's rights?
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