Feminists attack and misrepresent Mens Rights Movement (Fathers4Justice, National Coalition for Men, A Voice for Men, RegisterHer)

oneiorosgrip · 2012-05-21T12:35:21+00:00

Just what I'd expect from a publication with a name like Vagenda. Here, the feminist movement shows its true colors. After decades of railing against concepts they have labeled "victim blaming," "denial," and "marginalizing," feminist writers are exhibiting those very same behaviors in response to the men's rights movement. This article is a blatant example of that.

The last paragraph is especially telling. "...make this all about you guys" ...? Really... because what the author really means is, "How dare you make anything not all about us." (cue melodramatic author flounce.)

The inability to accept and admit responsibility for building and perpetuating the same atmosphere of bigotry and hatred against which they have claimed to fight all this time... the refusal to acknowledge and deal with the issues they have created by crossing the line between self-defense and unwarranted aggression... shows that today's feminism is not based in the pursuit of equal rights, but in the pursuit of establishing unilateral social and political female power such as would constitute a matriarchy.

Deacon · 2012-05-21T12:51:32+00:00

Like most gangs of bullies, radical feminists can simultaneously 1)play the "pity me" victim card, 2)arrogantly demand their "rights," and 3)avoid any acknowledgment for any mistakes or wrongdoing, 4)blame the victim, and 5)hypocritically denounce society for doing everything that they themselves are doing.

typhonblue · 2012-05-21T09:58:24+00:00

In all this time they have chosen not to use or learn an honest counter argument, not one.

V_Ajra · 2012-05-21T14:09:22+00:00

I find it particularly insulting that whenever someone (with a feminist agenda) attempts to write about the MRM they somehow allude the the pickup community and paint both distinct groups with the same brush, making sweeping, uninformed generalizations: "They're all misogynists who are secretly scared of women, etc, etc."

SilencingNarrative · 2012-05-21T16:02:19+00:00

Lots of excellent replies in the talkbacks. I greatly admire this one:

on, 2012-05-21 14:11 — MRAdvocate (not verified)

"It is of course, a matter of historical fact that women have been systematically sidelined and regarded as second class citizens for much of our time on the planet"

This is a "fact" only to feminists, who have sought to create a victim mentality in women, in order to justify awarding themselves greater priveledge.

The truth is that 97% of work related deaths are male, since men have traditionally been expected to perform societies most dangerous and dirty jobs. In all the wars of the last century and throughout history, it was men, not women, who were expected to fight and die for their countries. Ladies First has been the motto of western civilisation since the beginning, and this is exactly the mentality feminists have capitalised on in order to further their own agendas. Feminism has never been about equality as they claim, only female supremacy.

Why else would feminists ignore the huge disparity in spending in healthcare, with women's health program's receiving vastly more than men's, despite the fact that men die sooner, and from all the major causes? Why do feminists ignore the fact males account for 75% of suicides? Why do they ignore the fact that 90% os the homeless are men? Why do they not care that the education system s nw failing boys, and has done for decades? Why do they overlook the fact that now more females than males go on to university, and are quicker to gain employment on graduating? Feminists ignore all these truths because information such as this undermines their lies that women, nor men, are marginalised and overlooked in our society - clearly the reverse is true.

Hence feminist bigotry and deceit itself - of which this article is yet another example - has created the necessity for a men's rights movement.

If you want to win a war, you need an army. To me, the prevalence of well informed and phrased replies like this in the comment sections of anti-male articles is one of the greatest successes of the MRM in the last 2 eyars. It is precisely what we do in forums like this subreddit (constantly practice arguing against the shaming and silencing tactics of traditionalists and feminists) that builds and trains that army.

Don't believe the trolls who come here and ask why we are constantly rehashing the same issues over and over, and how what we are doing is only talk. Reading, writing, and thinking are one of the most potent forms of action in today's world. They come here and complain not out of kind-hearted concern for us, but because it's working. We've taken the fight into the enemy's camp and they know it.

It makes about as much sense to complain about our "constant rehashing of a limited set of topics" as criticizing a company of archers at practice as "constantly firing arrows at the same old targets." To defend a position and defend it well, you need a lot of experience with all of the dirty tricks you will encounter from the partisans who specialize in ever-so-carefully misunderstanding you to derail your point.

"Rehashing" old arguments in the face of the withering opposition of committed trolls is essential to hardening your arguments.

I applaud r/MR's reluctance to ban trolls, as they perform a vital training service.

oneiorosgrip · 2012-05-21T10:32:55+00:00

In before a feminist comes in here and says that doesn't represent all feminists... instead of going there and saying it.

Il128 · 2012-05-21T13:15:42+00:00

"Men can't have problems, until women have none." -Feminism

johntheother · 2012-05-21T12:15:13+00:00

To the feminists, ideologues, politicians, fund seekers, professional victims, liars, pseudo-journalists and other lying cretins, keep attacking us you dummies, your readers become our readers, and without an honest argument the liars on the wrong side of this human rights movement will lose.

bovedieu · 2012-05-21T14:52:53+00:00

Don't buy into this pretend battle of the sexes.

battle of the sexes.

Why did I even read the article? Such a waste of my time.

It's this dualistic bullshit. It's your cause or my cause. I mean, in the same damn paragraph they complain about the most trivial bullshit while deriding men for complaining about unemployment and child custody. Clearly the difference in the suicide rate is less important than a Grazia article (2 to 1 odds it was written by a woman).

This is the ultimate case of "I don't have anything to complain about, but look! Look at me!"

Whisper · 2012-05-21T09:50:02+00:00

They are so threatened that they are dedicating one whole week to us.

edit: fixed link

Alanna · 2012-05-21T21:43:52+00:00

As the inimitable Patsy Cline once yodelled (a maxim which now echoes through the karaoke bars of the north-west every Friday night): "Sometimes it's hard to be a woman."

That was Tammy Wynette, you twit.

jmnzz · 2012-05-21T15:19:40+00:00

but rather than engaging in a victim-war, rather than saying "I have suffered, and my suffering is of more important than yours," why not accept that we all suffer, in some way or another?

Very next line

It is of course, a matter of historical fact that women have been systematically sidelined and regarded as second class citizens for much of our time on the planet

The more feminists spout their bullshit, the more people will realize that bullshit is what they're full of.

RPTestDummy · 2012-05-21T15:04:13+00:00

That was just too hard to read. The style was horrific.

drinkthebleach · 2012-05-21T14:21:26+00:00

I like the the part where they say that guy suing his school for sexism was because his chair was too hard. They're really grabbing for straws here, we're gaining traction.

Enjoy your privilege while it lasts, girls.

kadivs · 2012-05-21T10:29:00+00:00

OP link screenshot

save it to your hard drive.

Phrodo_00 · 2012-05-21T19:00:25+00:00

I like how when there are more men in jail it's because they commit more crime, but don't you dare say women as a whole earn less because they tend to choose jobs that pay less (and don't forget only one of those is prove to be true)

Scott2508 · 2012-05-21T19:35:36+00:00

the good thing is even the author admitted that mens rights is a massive thing now, we are getting noticed and that cant be bad.

rodvanmechelen · 2012-05-21T23:49:05+00:00

In the article she cites Suzanne Moore for suggesting that men go to prison more because men commit more crime. Is that sexist? Well, when some claim that blacks go to prison more because blacks commit more crime, the left calls that racist. And then there is the fact that women generally get lighter sentences than men for committing the same crimes. So I'm going to go waaaay out on a limb here and suggest that juuust maybe it is a little sexist. Just a wee bit. Tiny. Hardly worth mentioning. Unless you're a fair-minded and rational person who believes that the justice system should be fair and impartial.

ShackleSoul · 2012-05-22T02:04:27+00:00

'...but rather than engaging in a victim-war, rather than saying "I have suffered, and my suffering is of more important than yours," why not accept that we all suffer, in some way or another?'

Immediately followed by;

'It is of course, a matter of historical fact that women have been systematically sidelined and regarded as second class citizens for much of our time on the planet,'

Pretty much sums up the entire article.

2012-05-22T10:53:39+00:00

So... any bets on whether this "men's theme week" will have any articles by actual, you know, men?

anillop · 2012-05-21T13:13:56+00:00

Is it just me do do people in this subreddit spend more time responding to attacks from radical feminists than actually talking about mens rights issues. Does it bother anyone else the the MRM seems to be a more reactive movement than a pro active movement. How much progress can we expect to make when we spend all of our energy responding to petty attacks by individuals rather than talking about the actual issues. The problem is that if were constantly fighting against feminists it begins to look like thats all we do. Were not an anti-feminist movement were a mens right movement.

2012-05-21T13:46:52+00:00

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. -Ghandi

I think we're still in that first stage: they're not taking the opposition seriously.

skier69 · 2012-05-21T15:16:21+00:00

For once, why can't they write a piece that doesn't read like a sorority newsletter? I'm tired of this drivel.

blitz_omlet · 2012-05-21T15:44:49+00:00

Comparing the justice system screwing over men and the wage system screwing over women is an excellent way to demonstrate how alleged locus of control shifts when the gender changes.

60secs · 2012-05-21T17:54:21+00:00

Sigh, gender issues aren't a contest to see how can build the largest straw man/straw woman.

2012-05-21T23:43:16+00:00

That article is an unreadable, nonsensical jumble of random words.

FreddyDeus · 2012-05-22T02:20:01+00:00

I had to stop reading at the end of the second sentence. I couldn't take the article seriously beyond that point. That's one of the best 'how-to-lose-your-readers' efforts I've seen in a long time.

Here is that second sentence:

Not only did we see Bollywood star Aishwarya Rai vilified for her failure to lose her baby weight fast enough...

I don't even know who the fuck that woman is, let alone that she's had a baby, or failed to lose the lard. Obviously a tough week for women then, if that's their opening shot at victimhood.

The_Patriarchy · 2012-05-22T03:44:12+00:00

This debate is very much being set up as a battle of the sexes. Rather than joining us in our anti-sexism agenda

The agenda which compelled you to dismiss legitimate issues facing men with hand-waving and shaming? The agenda which promotes and encourages the lie that women are always victims and men are always guilty? The agenda which prioritizes people saying unkind things about a fat actress over the documented bias against men in our legal system? Yeah, sorry, you can go fuck yourself.

kittenkat4u · 2012-05-22T01:18:14+00:00

maybe it's just me but i like the idea of a "cried rape" list. it might actually make some women think before acusing some guy of rape because she regreted the decision to have sex.

2012-05-21T16:36:06+00:00

I was expecting it to say "Sponsored by MumsNet" at one stage.

boddah87 · 2012-05-21T14:06:38+00:00

PLEASE STOP THIS. The way to make reddit a better place is to stop posting things to say "look how wrong these people are" mensrights and athiesm suffer the most from this.

Debate is great, but people like the woman who wrote this article, simply aren't worth my time

Alanna · 2012-05-21T15:56:51+00:00

Misrepresented ? Yes, they forgot to talk about some aspects :

Should I be called to sit on a jury for a rape trial, I vow publicly to vote not guilty, even in the face of overwhelming evidence that the charges are true.

I’d like to make it the objective for the remainder of this month, and all the Octobers that follow, for men who are being attacked and physically abused by women - to beat the living shit out of them. I don’t mean subdue them, or deliver an open handed pop on the face to get them to settle down. I mean literally to grab them by the hair and smack their face against the wall till the smugness of beating on someone because you know they won’t fight back drains from their nose with a few million red corpuscles.

Women should be terrorized by their men; it’s the only thing that makes them behave better than chimps.

Title	Feminists attack and misrepresent Mens Rights Movement (Fathers4Justice, National Coalition for Men, A Voice for Men, RegisterHer)
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Date	May 21, 2012 9:49 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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