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Finally some justice for the falsely accused

Seba7236
July 28, 2019
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Title Finally some justice for the falsely accused
Author Seba7236
Upvotes 4247
Comments 137
Date July 28, 2019 5:56 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit /r/MensRights
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Top posts by Seba7236

Hmm, Sure twitter. If i said that black women were the biggest threat to the nation, i'd get banned ASAP. But since its a woman saying men are bad, it's ok?

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May 21, 2019
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I dont understand why some people think being uncut is disgusting

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April 5, 2019
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Interesting, so if I'm not charged with raping anyone, I'm still a rapist/ not innocent?

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Men are not allowed to sit in these exhibition chairs, because "manspreading"

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"you need to affect men's rights before they take yours"

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May 12, 2019
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I cant believe the hypocrisy that still exists

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Comments

[–]NohoTwoPointOh 551 points552 points  (31 children) | Copy Link

If she gets convicted, we will make sure to add her to register-her.net.

[–]fellate-o-fish 225 points226 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Would it be overly optimistic or naive of me to hope we will soon see her picture(s) all over the news just like the media did with these boys when the accusations hit?

[–]NohoTwoPointOh 122 points123 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaabsolutely.

[–]fellate-o-fish 28 points29 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Was I supposed to hear that in Moira Brown's voice?

Because I definitely absolutely heard it in Moira Brown's voice.

[–]DJ-Roukan 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Kinda want to do the same, but there is this nagging realization that these boys should not be jumping for joy...because the fucking thing should not have happened to them in the first place.

It is a disgrace what we are doing to our boys, across all cultures.

[–]NohoTwoPointOh 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Completely agree. A lot of guys dream of going to [insert country here] for greener pastures. But the war on boys and men is like a contagion. We are seeing it in central Europe and Asia as much as Europe and the Americas...

That said, Israeli prisons sound about as fun as Mexican prisons. That's probably worth about 8 inches of the jump.

[–]PhireFoenix 112 points113 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

register-her.net

i didn't know such a site existed, can't wait to see the backlash it gets for being "anti-feminist"

[–]Chad_McHaymaker 54 points55 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

That shit fit came and went.

Paul Elam created it shortly after he launched AVfM (https://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/false-rape-culture/register-her-com-goes-worldwide/). Not sure when it made the switch to ".net," though.

The feminist peanut gallery had a predictable reaction at the time, but they seem to largely ignore it now.

[–]TheVineyard00 19 points20 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

.net is generally far cheaper, can't blame him

[–]JuGGrNauT_ 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It also sounds better than ".com"

[–]Next_Flow1 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

reddit really fucked us on changing the way to format links, on desktop there's an icon with quotation marks

[–]Chad_McHaymaker 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's weird. The brackets/parentheses method worked when I initially posted the comment...

[–]Neko404 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe not that exact domain but I am pretty sure the people behind a voice for men have a site for this sort of thing.

[–]toseawaybinghamton 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

register-her.net

They all have a common look

[–]yg111 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why isn’t her photo being posted? The innocent guys were posted everywhere

[–]NohoTwoPointOh 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There is a petition being circulated in the UK for anonyminity for the accused in cases like this. I say 'both or none'. Either no one has a right to privacy or both have this right.

[–]coastalremedies 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Im a huge advocate of this page but lets not forget that a lot of middle eastern countries have really back track records for dealing with their rampant rape problems and corruption in the judicial systems is crazy high. I'm really hoping its not the case here but in a lot of countries women are raped and than persecuted even further by reporting it. Granted, I know nothing at all about this case

[–]rahsoft 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't know if you have ever lived in the middle east or have experienced the law system there but its not so black and white in sharia law countries.

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women can get prosecuted because they claim rape when they were caught committing adultery( and yes the man is prosecuted as well)

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What has often happened is that the woman who is caught committing adultery will often accuse the man of rape and then their lawyers will contact feminists organisations in the west to claim oppression and persecution . They then throw in a lot of funding and campaigning to try and shame the courts into overturning and then in turn prosecute the man( who was the adulterous partner) for rape, whilst being more than happy to allow the man to be EXECUTED( which is why the evidence criteria for rape has in the past been multiple witness) whereas as today its medical evidence from a hospital.

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So while its easy to claim that the middle eastern countries have a bad track records when it comes to rape , lets not forget that so do the feminists when abusing the system to claim rape with its punishment that is final and cannot retract from.

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the country of Israel is also facing some pressure from feminists in persecuting men in the areas of divorce and violence( along with false accusations).

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I say good luck to these boys, because they taken for a ride by a woman who decided to abuse the system and enabled by feminists( and lawyers who were too greedy to work by principles).

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My knowledge of this comes from my wife who is a civil, sharia and international lawyer working in the middle east and a number of our friends who work in both activism for women rights and law in the mena region.

[–]coastalremedies 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I’m pretty uninformed with this stuff and it seems like you are clearly well informed, but let’s realize that we can’t make full assumptions on what happened based on this article. Regardless, I do appreciate the input from somebody who has more background in this. My dad spent a couple years in Afghanistan doing PR work for the navy and I’ve learn bits and pieces about the culture from hearing about his experiences (even being in a war zone he says nothing but positive things about the civilians he’d met) but government / culture has a lot of flaws that affect women. But granted the Middle East is a huge place and my second hand learnings about the culture of one country likely don’t apply to anything about Israel.

[–]rahsoft 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

with all due respect Afghanistan is NOT the middle east. I know a lot of American thinks so( my father is American). But its still a very different place compared to many ( even compared to the middle east). and you are correct in that the middle east itself is a huge place with a lot of diversity ( rather like Europe). Israel is I'm told a combination of the old middle east and the new western countries( eg America due to their strong outward looking attitude).

With regards to the men accused, we've all see this before and its becoming a common tactic for people to cry rape when its either didn't happen or its regret sex. The filming that was alleged to have been conducted is a big no no, but rape it wasn't google jemma beale to see how bad this behaviour can be

[–]Belly__flop 85 points86 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Here is the link:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7294285/British-woman-19-said-12-Israeli-men-gang-raped-probed-false-claims.html

Good news, hopefully she gets the book thrown at her. She nearly got away with destroying the lives of 12 innocent men.

And here is the First story.

https://cyprus-mail.com/2019/07/17/police-investigating-napa-tourist-gang-rape/

[–][deleted] 26 points27 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

In an ideal world she will get locked up in Cyprus for years with no way to make direct contact with the UK.

[–]GreenMountainDolphin 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A lawyer for some of the guys who were released said the (potential) charge would be "public nuisance". Another new source (I think Reuters) said "making a false allegetation". According to a sources in Israel, the maximum penalty would be a year in jail. Here in Israel, the punishment for filing a false police complaint is 3 to 5 years in prison, which I think is more reasonable -- after all, a false complaint abuses the entire legal system. However, there are policy guidelines for Israel police NOT to pursue false complaints about sexual crimes, in order not to weaken other victims motivation to file complaints, except in exceptional cases.

[–]toseawaybinghamton 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

SHe already destroyed their lives... You don't forget something like this.

[–]yg111 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So why isn’t her photo being published by the media? The innocent guys were not given the same treatment

[–]Raunaruouey 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Guilty until proven innocent" Good job Daily Mail!

[–]TheOmerAngi 251 points252 points  (30 children) | Copy Link

Hey, Israeli here. While the accusation itself was in Cyprus, the whole country was raging about it. The news was covered every night with feminists and ministers claiming that it was so wrong that they bring shame upon Israel. Nobody even mentioned that it was still unclear what really happened. Pretty happy to find out the truth tbh.

[–]Consilio_et_Animis 126 points127 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Yep. Terrible.

Here's a famous case from Israel of a women falsely accusing a taxi driver of rape on video camera. But the authorities refused to prosecute her, because: "...it may deter other women who have been raped from coming forwards"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahZTWBB26Cw

This same story happens around the world.

[–]Next_Flow1 24 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

cries in israeli

[–]fellate-o-fish 15 points16 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for your perspective. What's the general temperature over there now that the story has gone a different direction? Is the outrage and coverage level similar / more / less? Is the girl's picture being spread around similarly to how the boys' pictures were?

[–]omri21111 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Their photos were not spread at all by media to be fair, just the leaks of the videos of what happened there, her picture as well aren’t spread by the media and the coverage is pretty much the same but a bit less because the story is pretty much over

[–]MildlySuspicious 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

If the videos leaked then she’s getting punished as we speak!

[–]GreenMountainDolphin 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The video(s) were not published on any mainstream news channel or site, or mainstream social network. Neither previously were the suspects' details. That in itself would be a crime under Israeli law (details of underage suspects and alleged victims of sex crimes may not be published; all the 7 suspects were under 18.) The videos apparently made the rounds on non-supervised channels.

[–]Gimme_The_Loot 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

When this article was originally posted on r/news I made a comment about it that just bc she said it was rape doesn't necessarily mean it was and I got ragged on pretty hard.

https://imgur.com/gallery/7e5gTxG

[–]Consilio_et_Animis 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

”...the idea that a girl would go with 12 guys is a pretty big stretch” 😏

[–]AQMessiah 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Hey, Cypriot here. Who was raging about what? The media against the boys? Was Cyprus seen as a malicious actor in any of this? I’ve been following this and heard one of the boys claim “I’m never going back there” once he was released and had assumed there was a general disdain for Cyprus and their role. It’d be a shame after the past few years of moving our countries closer together to lose that momentum.

[–]TheOmerAngi 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Actually the rage was more against the boys, less over Cyprus or the Cyprus police... Everyone believed that the accusation were true until they were proven innocent. Even now nobody is angry at Cyprus, but vice versa - people are quite happy that the Cyprus police is charging the woman and got down to the truth.

[–]RavenLordx 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Cyprian and Greek police are used to this bullshit from privileged western women. Thank god the authorities are not that brainwashed here yet.

[–]DerpJungler 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't say so. Our police are not the sharpest tools in the shed, and the feminist movement is more popular than any sort of MRA movement here. Basically, most of the men here are beta white knights. I've discussed this case with LOTS of people and most of them safely assumed that she was raped and that men are monsters.

Also, tourists having fun in Ayia Napa etc. has been the norm for many years, but not many false accusations have happened in the past tbh.

[–]RavenLordx 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I do not have any personal experience on Cyprus, so I will take your word on that. Truth is this shit happens more often in places like mykonos, corfu or rhodes. A friend of mine that lives in corfu has told me that barely a week goes by without some bullshit claim.

[–]DerpJungler 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah thats true. Crazy night outs and sex parties are way more common in the islands you've mentioned. Ayia Napa is a religious temple compared to Mykonos lol.

[–]GreenMountainDolphin 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm Israeli, and there was no vibe of "Cyprus as a whole is responsible" in news sources. Many of them reported that Ayia Napa's mayor has been attempting for a while to clean up the city, clamping down on the excessive parties and alcohol, and making the town more suitable for family vacations.

I've been to Cyprus multiple times, for vacations, company retreats and on a motorcycle trip when there was still a ferry. I also had Cypriot & Greek friends when I was studying in the US. On the whole, I always felt that Cyprus is almost as British as it is Greek, in the good sense, and much more British than London (a bit like rural England). It's certainly much cleaner than most large English cities (-: People here in Israel understand that beach resorts are beach resorts, and (for example) Goa in India, Ibiza in Spain and several of the Greek Aegean islands have much worse reputations (Mykonos). Ayia Napa is apparently esp. popular with teenagers because Cyprus is very close to Israel (the closest destination by air), and flights are very cheap. Accommodations are much cheaper than in Israel's own resort towns like Eilat, which are extremely expensive (NYC level prices) and family oriented.

People were also very much impressed with the Cypriot Police: Investigation seemed to be quick and thorough, careful of the suspects' rights and maintaining their privacy as minors. Lawyers both for the suspects and the woman praised the police. Most noteworthy was the fact that the police didn't give press interviews, and there were no leaks whatsoever. Israeli police would have spent at least as much time giving self-important interviews as investigating, and there would have been many leaks to journalists. Most Israelis have a very low opinion of our local Police...

[–]Mem3G0D 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Hi! I'm Israeli too. Israel also has a law that prevents women from getting charged with rape since its the same law as the uk and described with "penetration" and women can't penetrate, right? They can get charged with sexual assault and such but it's much easier crime.

[–]Greg_W_Allan 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

https://www.jpost.com/Israel/Womens-groups-Cancel-law-charging-women-with-rape

[–]NohoTwoPointOh 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Imagine that...

[–]TheOmerAngi 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sadly mostly true...

[–]notsocommon_folk 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, you have to understand that Cyprus is not really used to these kinds of cases. Not only that, but the island is pretty alarmed because of the Serial Killer case from like one and a half month ago. This case seriously is one of the most gruesome cases ever happened in the island of Cyprus. It was such a peculiar case that they needed help from the UK into sending detectives that could help with such a case because the authorities had never tackled such a case before. Even though I support equal rights for both genders, and talk about mens rights and issues, you have to understand the place and the circumstances this whole thing takes place.

If this case was a "AmIAnAsshole" thing, then all of the parties involved are assholes. The girl for falsely accusing them of rape, which is a huge no no , and also the men, who started videotaping her without her consent, something that could be easily be shared by many people, even around the globe. So as I said, everyone is an asshole here.

[–]peepeeandpoopooman 40 points41 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

The false accuser might not even be charged, yet these men might have to carry the stigma of a rape allegation for life.

[–]ChaosOpen 18 points19 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I've heard examples of that, men get released because the woman lied about the rape but they remain on the sex offenders registry.

[–]fgrsentinel 17 points18 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not even that. Their names aren't kept confidential during the trial, so guilty or not guilty, the people that live in their area will make their lives hell just because they were accused of rape.

[–]CRZR_ 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Male privalige amirite

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Such is male privilege under the Patriarchy.

[–]Tmomp 24 points25 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm glad they're happy but wouldn't have been surprised if they were angry or furious at her or a system so sexist that she expected to get away with it.

They probably just want to get on with their lives and I hope they do, but part of me hopes they find ways to point out the system's flaws and help fix them.

[–]The_0bserver 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thats step 2.

[–]Adernain 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Cypriot here. This was top news in the past weeks, everyone was raging against these young men, but for many it didn't smell right. Some even saw a video they had from the intercourse and they said in comments of news articles that it was surely not rape. Today the 19 y.o. woman told the truth and she got arrested and going to appear to the court tomorrow. But the charges are minor AFAIK. Only for miss-usage of goverment resources and public disturbance if I remember correctly. Even the mayor of Agia Napa is going to sue her allong with the lawyers of the young men.

[–]Next_Flow1 21 points22 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I live in Israel, its fucking pathetic how everyone circle jerked definitely guilty

[–]toseawaybinghamton 10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's the same shit everywhere. The media has no morals.

[–]Next_Flow1 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

believe the media said alleged, and pointed out they were in tears when calling their mother, I'm talking about my shit head feminist country men

[–]toseawaybinghamton 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

נו טוב

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would love to see shit like this more often

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in terms of the law doing its job and arresting people who make false claims and not more false rape allegations

[–]LongjumpingChance 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

why are their faces shown instead of the girl????

[–]willyj19 26 points27 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Basically she a hoe and fucked 6 of them and got caught.

[–]amcynic 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great news!

[–]jawadrian 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wait, if some of them were minors and they did have sex, wouldn’t she be the rapist?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Apparently, some british staying there began beating israelis who they thought were involve, is there any news about them?

[–]Slav1605 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Accusation stories are in all mainstream media and global. Clarifications and follow ups that don't fit the story are posted in selected few conservative outlets

[–]undergroundman646 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The dangerous thing about this is that it makes retracting your story less likely.

I say throw the book at liars if you catch then but maybe some kindness if they chose to tell the truth in the end.

I'm just thinking about future false allegations

[–]Someonedm 12 points13 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Woah I feel so much better now, living in israel.

[–]cake_patrol123 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Why is this getting downvoted?

[–]Someonedm 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Idk. I get why it got downvoted, because this comment is not really in place, but if you had to write it down it probably means I got -10 or (more? Less? It is more than 10 but less than -10 so it is very confusing) karma and I really don't know why.

[–]cake_patrol123 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

מה שלומך דובר מיינקראפט שולחן אנצ'סטמנט

[–]Someonedm 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

מה קורה... אמממ... אההה...

אח שלי גיבור זה במקום?

[–]C2074579 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah, the sweet sound of justice.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Epic win.

[–]aAvocado62846 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

T H O T busted

[–]Razvedka 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Did this occur in the UK or Israel?

[–]Someonedm 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Cyprus

[–]Next_Flow1 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Cyprus, its a very popular tourist destination spot here in Israel, flights there and back are cheap

[–]blaireau69 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No.

[–]HNutz 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

GREAT!

[–]b-geek 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am from Israel and from what I heard the police officer who was responsible for the case (his name was marios) done a 100% good job

[–]majora24 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

As a jew living in Israel i saw the story in the news. I thought there are no proves but then I heard of the DNA samples they had and also the teens filmed the WHOLE thing and I can say one thing, they are pieces of shit, but they are innocent pieces of shit

[–]Dalinair 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She should be named and shamed as a brit I'm ashamed she was from here

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great, the way it should work. Used to be that way till 'metoo' came.

[–]brian_reddit_77 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

More evil from the leftist, "believe all women!," man-hating western women.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She wanted to get gang raped, and since they wouldn’t she accused them

[–]abananaa1 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

And usually courts defend going against the typical anonymity afforded to those charged with most offences, and naming people accused of e.g. rape and sexual assault on the grounds that it might lead more people to come forward to help the investigation. At least, that's how it works in the UK, with the recently released statement from the CPS (or so similar, can't remember who exactly). Why keep her anonymous, unlike those accused of rape/sexual assault? Who's to say she hasn't done this to other people, and accused them of rape? She might have, protected by anonymity, already sent people unjustly behind bars - only they know her name/who she is - or she may have attempted to falsely convict others of rape in "failed rape convictions" that weren't seen as egregious lies as this. Seems just as potentially likely to have happened, hence a need for publishing her name, as when rape/sexual assault charges are brought - except this is a politically incorrect type of charge that were told almost never happens, because its almost exclusively men that are the victims. Yet, it often happens multiply when people are convicted of lying about rape/sexual assault.

[–]DarkPandaLord 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why do I have an urge to hug all of them?

[–]manbaby1769 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

What are those weird hat things those 2 guys are wearing?

[–]Mr_38 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yamakas they are hats used as religious head coverings by Jewish men.

Source: I'm Jewish

[–]manbaby1769 -2 points-1 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

So they cover their head head but uncover their dick head, any relation between those two facts?

[–]Mr_38 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Nope excluding the religion

[–]manbaby1769 -3 points-2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Why do they cut their dicks?

[–]Mr_38 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Mainly because the Torah says to but you can look into it yourself further.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its the first covenant with God.

[–]Digi2112 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Since Israel is involved, I don't believe her now.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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