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Former stay at home dad and son dead, possibly poisoned. Mother had kidnapped kids and disappeared, father had to give 100% of his earnings as alimony. Polish feminist website made an article victim-blaming him with the title "even when a father murders his 4 year old son, women are guilty".

TheSpaceDuck
December 1, 2018
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Long story short, he was a stay at home dad. She earned all the money and he did all the work at home. After they split, when he finally managed to earn some money, the amount of money that was required of him to give her was equivalent to 100% of his earnings.

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One way she disappeared with the kid. He tried to search for the kid, putting "missing" signs around Warsaw. Later after they were found, the police considered his behaviour posting missing signs to look for the kid was "aggressive" and dangerous to the kid so he was severely limited from seeing his son and forbidden to take him to his own place (or anywhere else for that matter).

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Before his death, he begged for help from people, wrote pleading letters but nobody listened and most people took the mother's side. Later him and his son were found dead. It was ruled as a murder-suicide despite suspicions of them both being poisoned.

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Meanwhile, Polish "Daily Feminist" website made an article titled "even when a father murders his 4 year old son, women are guilty" claiming that a man killed his son (despite the fact that he was likely poisoned) and now people are blaming the mother. The details concerning the kidnapping and investigation and court decisions are of course omitted.

This is the same feminism that claims they "fight for men's rights", that blames the bias in courts or the idea that men are aggressive on "patriarchy". The same feminism that managed to turn a story of a stay at home dad having his son kidnapped, being forced to give 100% of his earnings to the kidnapper, kept away from his son because looking for him was deemed "aggressive" and then possibly murdered together with his son, into a story of "women are blamed even when men murder their kids".

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Sadly I won't even say "imagine if the roles were reversed here" because it's not even possible, this would be impossible to happen to a woman. A stay at home mother would never lose custody of her kid. She would never be forced to give 100% of her earnings to the father. If a father were to kidnap is son and the mother looked for him, there would be a major campaign to find him demonizing the father as a horrible criminal (and rightly so to be honest) . And no way the courts would deem her "dangerous" or "aggressive" for posting signs looking for him. And lastly if there were suspicions of a mother being murdered together with her kid, feminist websites would be spreading it all over the media as proof of misogyny and a society that tolerates violence against women, not victim-blaming her.

All the sources are in Polish so for non-Polish speakers the best alternative is unfortunately google translate.

Sources:

https://wiadomosci.wp.pl/tragedia-na-sali-zabaw-uwazamy-ze-mogl-byc-otruty-6322078784108161a

http://codziennikfeministyczny.pl/kobieta-jest-zawsze-winna-nawet-wtedy-gdy-ojciec-zabije-jej-dziecko-lincz-na-matce-po-zabojstwie-4-latka/?fbclid=IwAR0RWiwaGEdVTVew0vtDJ-9aIVWHtjVVqYaxTXv6SA3K-dHeL7WngC_J8xU

http://dzielnytata.pl/h_Tomasz_Majewski.htm

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Translated by google:

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=pl&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwiadomosci.wp.pl%2Ftragedia-na-sali-zabaw-uwazamy-ze-mogl-byc-otruty-6322078784108161a

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fcodziennikfeministyczny.pl%2Fkobieta-jest-zawsze-winna-nawet-wtedy-gdy-ojciec-zabije-jej-dziecko-lincz-na-matce-po-zabojstwie-4-latka%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR0RWiwaGEdVTVew0vtDJ-9aIVWHtjVVqYaxTXv6SA3K-dHeL7WngC_J8xU

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdzielnytata.pl%2Fh_Tomasz_Majewski.htm

Statement from the charity organization helping him: http://dzielnytata.pl/Majewski/stanowisko-DT-MF.pdf
Translated w/google: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=pl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdzielnytata.pl%2FMajewski%2Fstanowisko-DT-MF.pdf

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Title Former stay at home dad and son dead, possibly poisoned. Mother had kidnapped kids and disappeared, father had to give 100% of his earnings as alimony. Polish feminist website made an article victim-blaming him with the title "even when a father murders his 4 year old son, women are guilty".
Author TheSpaceDuck
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Date December 1, 2018 2:08 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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[–][deleted] 309 points310 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for taking time to write this

[–]Nude-eh 190 points191 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

What evidence is there that he was probably murdered?

[–]TheSpaceDuck[S] 148 points149 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

The part with the poisoning is in this article, the first one from the sources: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=pl&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwiadomosci.wp.pl%2Ftragedia-na-sali-zabaw-uwazamy-ze-mogl-byc-otruty-6322078784108161a

It's important to state that there is NO evidence so far, this is why I wrote "possibly poisoned". However it's also important to state that the police simply did not investigate the possibility and ruled it a murder-suicide.

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As it was also stated here it's important to keep in mind that if it was indeed murder-suicide then it does not excuse him from the act. Doesn't change the fact that all of it would've been avoided if the courts weren't so biased against men but an explanation is not an excuse. More importantly though, even if that were to be proven to be the case it would still not excuse the mother from being a kidnapper and from deliberately making sure he would not be able to subsist making her far from "a victim". After all, we don't see the nazis as victims just because after their actions they were brutalized by the Soviets. We blame both for their crimes.

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In short, there is no evidence of either. Police ruled it a murder-suicide without investigating. And regardless of who was really guilty of the killing, the real cause remains a horrible situation created by a court that did the opposite of its job.

[–]Nude-eh 44 points45 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

At the scene of the event, containers were found in which poison could be found.

The analysis also included samples of blood from Tomasz M. and Artur M. Thanks to this, investigators will be able to carry out toxicological tests. Earlier, when my father was still in a serious hospital, blood tests for "acetone and solvents" were performed. None of these substances were detected.

This sounds more to me like a situation where he was driven to take an extreme act because of the situation that he found himself in. But, the police should be able to trace this poison and find it in his apartment or find out where he bought it if he did.

[–]TheSpaceDuck[S] 34 points35 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There is also something about him being called to the park where it all took place. However my Polish is not good enough to understand the details about it and the google translation is rather poor in this regard.

[–]Nude-eh 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, there are not enough details to figure out what exactly happened.

[–]kacperp 28 points29 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

He took his son into the toilet and they were found dead. Only person suggesting that someone could poison them is some random guy from this group helping fathers fighting for their kids.

Police thinks he did it. It is said in the article that mother of the kid passed out when she saw what happened.

The guy went crazy and probably killed his kid i dont see how anyone sane could see this as anything but tragedy.

Making this antimen option is fucked up. He killed his kid. fuck that guy

Edit. Father once took his son on the house roof and told his ex wife they'll both jump. Sorry to say but this is clearly this guys fault and i cant believe that you try to spin it

[–]TheSpaceDuck[S] 15 points16 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Nobody is "spinning this", I stated multiple times there is no evidence of the poisoning as of now. I don't know who suggested the poisoning or why because as I said before with my level of Polish all I can understand is that he was called to the place where it happened (and someone pointed out something about poison containers). Important here is, if there are at least these many leads and people pointed it out then police should investigate instead of ruling it instantly as a murder-suicide. Even if the most likely scenario is a murder-suicide due process and investigation are necessary. And until there is evidence of either, obviously writing an article taking advantage of the tragedy and claiming "women are blamed when men kill their kids" is in the worst possible taste concerning the whole situation.

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Despite all that, as I said before even if there was evidence that it was a murder-suicide this wouldn't magically make her a victim. This would mean that he would also be guilty. Of murder in this case. It would not take away her guilt from the kidnapping and from intentionally driving him to such a desperate situation. It would not take away the courts' guilt for handling the case in the way they did which ultimately led to the loss of two lives. Being driven to insanity does not excuse him if it turns out to be the case, I agree with you on that, however when the actions of others consciously drive that person to insanity then they too have blood on their hands. One person's guilt doesn't magically mean every other party's innocence all of a sudden.

[–]kacperp -5 points-4 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

He wasnt called anywhere. He had visitation with his kids in popular place for kids in Warsaw then he said to person looking out for kids that he is going to toilet where he murdered his kid.

Once again this sick twisted motherfucker murdered his kid. He killed his son. mother didnt want for him to spend time with their kids because she was afraid he might do something to them. He murdered his son. Fuck that guy and never look for explanation on why he did it.

Mens right is suppose to be better. Putting fault on anyone but the person who murdered their kid is disgusting. If there would be time machine he should have no contact with his kids in alternate timeline. What the fuck. He loved them so much he murdered his son? Fuck. that. Guy. Fuck him. Fuck him fuck him

[–]TheSpaceDuck[S] 19 points20 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Putting fault on anyone but the person who murdered their kid is disgusting.

So you think the mother who kidnapped her kid was ok? Would you find it ok if someone did that to somoene dear to you? Should I remind that all his psychological issues only happened AFTER the kidnapping and he was perfectly ok before?

And do you think sucking him of 100% of his earnings is ok? Do you think considering him "aggressive" because he put out missing posts when his kids are kidnapped and stop them from seeing him is how justice should proceed? You claim "the mother was afraid he would do something like this" yet she was the one who kidnapped him when the man was still in good mental health.

As I said before, your claim is like saying that because the Nazis were brutalized by the Soviets we should suddenly say the Nazis were victims and not at fault for anything and the Soviets were the only evil party. What we can say is fuck the Soviets for their brutality. And fuck the Nazis for all the actions that led to it. And in this case yes fuck him if he really did kill his kid. However saying every other horrible action leading to this story should be forgiven and all responsibility removed from them because someone else committed a more horrible action later is just childish and very dishonest.

[–]kacperp 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Where is there anything about kidnaping? I dont know what you are talking about

Edit: biggest problem of this group is that you shit on people and you say, when mother murders a kid," it's only her fault and women hate man that's why they try to put it on fathers". You can try being inteligent person or you can act exactly like other side and look for just ways of justyfying peoples behavior. You act exactly like people that i assume you dont agree with. But because now it's good for you that's ok. Mens rights should fight against bad people. If you kill your kid you're a bad person

Edit: just so we are clear i am Polish i understand what is in this articles.

[–]TheSpaceDuck[S] 4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Where is there anything about kidnaping? I dont know what you are talking about

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"Oskarżał żonę o porwanie. Miała ona przeprowadzić się z dziećmi w nieznane miejsce i utrudniać mu kontakt z dziećmi. W akcie desperacji rozwieszał w Warszawie, bo podejrzewał, że tam przebywają, afisze z apelem o pomoc w odnalezieniu dzieci. "Dzięki działaniom matki, dzieci nie widziały swojego taty już 41 dni!!! Dzieci nie wiedzą co się ze mną stało i dlaczego tak długo mnie nie ma przy nich" - pisał na swoim profilu na Facebooku."

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You can try being inteligent person or you can act exactly like other side and look for just ways of justyfying peoples behavior.

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I think you're confusing cause and justification. I said it many times and I will say it again. If he really killed his son he is obviously not innocent here. Nobody here is questioning that. However blaming him for it doesn't mean you automatically excuse every other guilty party of their actions. Those two are not mutually exclusive.

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Saying that her actions and the actions of the court led him to his state does not mean killing his child is justified. It is not. It just means there are very serious problems behind this whole story that are being ignored and people who acted horribly in a way that ultimately led to the lost of two lives whose actions we should not ignore here. That's it. Doesn't mean killing your kid is justified. And if he did, it certainly doesn't take any guilt from him. It just means this story would have been avoided if horrible people hadn't done horrible things and led it to this situation. And ignoring all that to say "people are blaming women for men killing their kids" is extremely dishonest.

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And you can bet if a man made a woman go through the same (for starters it would never happen because the courts would not allow it) I would be the first to say she is a horrible person and so is he. And if somehow in a very strange reality the court took a child away from a mother who took care of them almost by herself for a man who kidnapped them or forced a woman to give 100% of her earnings to a man, and if that led to such a tragedy, I would be the first to be pointing the finger at the courts and demanding change just as I'm doing now.

[–]Macismyname 19 points20 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thank you for asking.

It's important we don't just assume the father was completely in the right. Otherwise we are as bad as the feminist magazines assuming the father was completely in the wrong and the mother did nothing wrong.

[–]Mackowatosc 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

TBH, the police is assuming the same, currently. But its a new case (week+ old) and the investigation is ongoing.

[–]Jex117 61 points62 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Jesus christ.. I don't even know what to say...

[–]whackPanther 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Justify 100% alimony.

Someone here justify 100% alimony right now. Anyone.

[–]slam9 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't you know? Patriarchy and shit.

Seriously though it's doubly bad because he was the stay at home parent, she should be paying him alimony. Pure sexism, nothing else

[–]Mackowatosc 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Femina locuta, causa finita. Does not help that here in poland, most family courts are 100% female staffed.

[–]fogoticus 26 points27 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

As long as there will not be a clear poisoning message from the autopsy, we can't judge it that way.

And unless her alibi is fake & it's found out that he was actually poisoned, we can't exactly put our thumb on the situation. I mean, the guy could've have had a weak moment and decided to end it all with his son (no, I'm not siding with the woman, especially after the kidnapping kids statement, I'm just saying the guy could've had a weak moment).

If othewise is found out, I say the best outcome would be if the children were taken away from the mother entirely and the mother should get life in prison.

[–]kindathecommish 16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree. I think it’s fucked up what the mother did, but that is no justification for killing your own kid. We can’t just say it was for sure a poisoning, although I’m sure there is a possibility it was.

[–]mira-mira-on-the-wol 17 points18 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

If your kuds go missing one day and youre a man, remember not to look for them because that might be too aggressive

[–]Philletto 12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

That's the one bit of the story which isn't contestable. A man desperate to find his kids is some monster.

[–]slam9 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The horror. A man actualy wantimg to know where his kids are? Way to aggressive. Just pay the 100% alimony and leave so we can instead call you a disinterested pig with no regard for his family.

You can't win against these people, they have no concept of logical consistency except man = bad.

[–]Philletto 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Police and court system support those people

[–]saikon_1485 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

or just go mgtow if u dont have kids.

[–]AlterAlias1 6 points7 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

How can you force someone to pay 100% of all his money? What does he have for himself?

[–]saikon_1485 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

this is assuming that the people invoking the forced payments actually care for mens humanity.

[–]NotAmericanDontCare 3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I didn't even know poland had alimony. I thought it was just America.

Even then i thought it was a percentage. How can it be a number? What if you get fired or move jobs?

Your alimony will be 150% of what you earn? Can you be forced to pay more in alimony than you earn?

[–]AlterAlias1 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I’m confused, I don’t know; but I figured it was based on a percentage of your earnings, not just some arbitrary number. Don’t know how alimony works there but don’t the courts take into account you need to sustain a living for yourself?

[–]slam9 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

No It's not. It should be a percentage, but it is an arbitrary number. If you loose your job while owing alimony or child support you can go to jail for bot being able to pay

[–]saikon_1485 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

yep. state sanctioned debters prison.

[–]JayTheFordMan 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

In many US states its also based on 'potential earnings', so if you are a lawyer what you pay will be based on earnings expected thereof, or what you actually get paid,. I am sure whichever is greatest. I am sure this is in place to prevent men getting minimum wage jobs to spite their ex, but one would think some respect should be given to reality.

[–]slam9 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. There was a story posted here a while ago about a man who was held hostage by criminals for months. When he finally returned he was arrested on the spot for unpaid alimony and child support while he was captured and not making money. If you loose your job while owing alimony you better get the judge to hear you fast because until they drop the amount you owe (if they do at all) you're still on the hook.

The alimony system is so broken and sexist.

[–]slam9 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. There was a story posted here a while ago about a man who was held hostage by criminals for months. When he finally returned he was arrested on the spot for unpaid alimony and child support while he was captured and not making money. If you loose your job while owing alimony you better get the judge to hear you fast because until they drop the amount you owe (if they do at all) you're still on the hook.

The alimony system is so broken and sexist.

[–]slam9 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. There was a story posted here a while ago about a man who was held hostage by criminals for months. When he finally returned he was arrested on the spot for unpaid alimony and child support while he was captured and not making money. If you loose your job while owing alimony you better get the judge to hear you fast because until they drop the amount you owe (if they do at all) you're still on the hook.

The alimony system is so broken and sexist.

[–]50PercentLies 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

> A stay at home mother would never lose custody of her kid.

Not true, but certainly exceedingly rare.

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> She would never be forced to give 100% of her earnings to the father. If a father were to kidnap is son and the mother looked for him, there would be a major campaign to find him demonizing the father as a horrible criminal (and rightly so to be honest) . And no way the courts would deem her "dangerous" or "aggressive" for posting signs looking for him. And lastly if there were suspicions of a mother being murdered together with her kid, feminist websites would be spreading it all over the media as proof of misogyny and a society that tolerates violence against women, not victim-blaming her.

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All demonstrably true.

[–]slam9 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Doubly horrendous because he was a stay at home dad, and she worked. She should be paying him alimony. Plain sexism

[–]slam9 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Doubly horrendous because he was a stay at home dad, and she worked. She should be paying him alimony. Plain sexism

[–]Mackowatosc 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Meh. Here in poland, we had a case not that long ago, where murder mommy regained full custody of an infant, after trying to kill said infant with boiling water. "She changed", yeah, right.

Mommy knows best, lol.

[–]Julia_J 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Being Polish makes me even more horrified.

[–]whackPanther 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They were a bastion of hope. Every polish girl I've met mocks the typical western feminists.

This is really really bad.

[–]Mackowatosc 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

We never were a bastion of any kind. Feminism in poland is pretty strong actually.

[–]MNCPA 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

https://youtu.be/uiG8Bud_ZjY

[–]TheRealistBrokeBoi 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A tragedy just took place

It is still an open investigation

Nobody know exactly what happened

The Man is immediately considered guilty by feminists

Honestly, the lack of respect and integrity is palpable.

[–]ScottPress 16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I thought Poland was largely isolated from progressivism, but apparently there's a crack in the dam.

Don't get married. Don't have children. Hell, don't have sex. Just order a fleshlight and a doll.

[–]69noah420 14 points15 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

This makes me so furious and angry. This is one of the reasons I have the fear of getting married in the future, I got the fear that I am going to say something wrong which leads to me getting divorced and losing my son for no reason.

[–]Philletto 3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

What kind of assholes downvote you for saying that?

[–]janglang 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminists

[–]69noah420 6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Someone downvoted me? Why I literally didn't say anything mean or offensive

[–]Philletto 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It was -2 the idiots

[–]69noah420 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah

[–]saikon_1485 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

there be man-haters up in our sub gentlemen.

[–]slam9 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't settle. There is nothing special about being a man, don't let the feminists bullshit get to you and think there is something special about being a woman. Don't marry someone for sex or someone doesn't respect your core values.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Who the fuck does this harpy think she is? Two people are dead and the first thing she does is slander one of the victims.

[–]slam9 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A feminist. Don't you know, men are evil.

[–]slam9 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A feminist. Don't you know, men are evil.

[–]gnarlin 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

If this story says anything it's don't have children.

[–]slam9 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, if this story says anything it's don't get married, or at least don't compromise in your marriage. Feminists society has preached for women to be more choosy and men to settle more, for a long time. Don't marry someone who doesn't respect you and your ideals

[–]mira-mira-on-the-wol 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

r/childfree

[–]slam9 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

How about not

[–]janglang 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would have $889 more each month if I hadn't.

[–]Brockkilledspeedy 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As a Pole, this pisses me off.

[–]slam9 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The alimony system is so sexist and broken

[–]slam9 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I bet you 100 dollars this will be removed if you post in on r/mensLib

[–]Thealphaone10 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its just like girls ar allowed in BOY scouts when they have girl scouts

[–]Fuckoff555 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Feminists, one of the most sexist and manipulative people on earth, they're fucking disgusting.

RIP to the father and son, and I hope that justice get served.

[–]saikon_1485 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

prob wont but i like to be hopeful too.

[–]Mackowatosc 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

As a polish citizen, forget about justive getting served if its a woman in a family court.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I never plan on marrying in today's world, much less be a father. It's a a sentence to misery

[–]Potatolover3 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The only solace I have is that this poor man is not alive to see the atrocities that took place. Because this is honestly a fate worse than death

[–]nastybitch1221 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Could of killed himself instead of taking the kid with him.

[–]slam9 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You assume he was the one that killed the kid and himself

[–]nastybitch1221 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There really isn't anything that I've read here to prove otherwise.

[–]Arrow218 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Imagine spinning this into “women are victims”

[–]SuperManagement 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh my god I feel so bad for the dad R.I.P

[–]pomaksym537 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Moot news, not really trustful. The same is for project Raido Financial - not sure but I have heard that they have high volume of sales, so for me it is trustworthy project. What do you think? Oh, and you can download MVP on their website.

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