Frustrated. People don't want to hear about feminism's abuses

Egalitarianwhistle · 2019-10-17T16:47:55+00:00

What upsets me about affirmative consent is that the woman is not expected to ask for consent. They are more rules for men.

Keep in mind that the de facto definition of misogyny does not mean hatred of women but rather, "heretical towards feminist dogma."

It's similar to the word "demonic" or "unchristianlike" as used in past centuries.

GuardianCat0 · 2019-10-17T20:00:17+00:00

I have never seen a poster about men also having to give consent. It’s absurd

ValhallaBoundBoy · 2019-10-17T16:37:57+00:00

There are a lot of situations, feminism being one of them, where if you try to complain you get told 'but isn't the alternative worse? is it really that big a deal?' as if the only option is feminisms abuse, or women losing their equal rights. They'll say the same thing about movements trying to ban white students from college for a day. They think the alternative is black slavery, so totally worth it!

Oncefa2 · 2019-10-17T22:40:37+00:00

I've been doing some research recently about feminist influences in society and found these nuggets related to domestic violence:

one of the explanations for denying the evidence on gender symmetry is to defend feminism in general. This is because a key step in the effort to achieve an equalitarian society is to bring about recognition of the harm that a patriarchal system causes. The removal of patriarchy as the main cause of IPV weakens a dramatic example of the harmful effects of patriarchy

From wikipedia's article on domestic violence against men but quoted from this book:

https://psycnet.apa.org/record/2012-19716-004

So basically feminists have been trying to cover up evidence that domestic violence against men is a serious issue because it calls into question the validity of feminist theories about gender and the existence (or lack thereof) of a patriarchy.

Recent research and literature by John Coochey, the People's Equality Network (PEN) and Katherine Dunn claim that contemporary representations of male violence are false. These authors argue that female domestic violence is as prevalent as male domestic violence. They suggest that domestic violence organisations and services, and some prominent women in the domestic violence field, are fudging statistics and actively maintaining a false representation of domestic violence for political and financial purposes.

https://xyonline.net/content/myth-male-violence

So not only does it call into question the validity of feminism as a theory, there is also a financial motivation to try and cover it up.

How is it that our general legal understanding of domestic violence as defined by the male abuse of women is so squarely contradicted by the empirical reality? Honestly answering this question requires tracing the history of both the theory and practice of domestic violence law. Undertaking such an exploration, one quickly finds that the “discovery” of domestic violence is rooted in the essential feminist tenet that society is controlled by an all-encompassing patriarchal structure.8 This fundamental feminist understanding of domestic violence has far-reaching implications. By dismissing the possibility of female violence, the framework of legal programs and social norms is narrowly shaped to respond only to the male abuse of women. Female batterers cannot be recognized. Male victims cannot be treated. If we are to truly address the phenomenon of domestic violence, the legal response to domestic violence and the biases which underlie it must be challenged.

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Today’s refusal to react [to female violence against men] is a product of the feminist control over the issue of domestic violence. Female violence presents both a threat to feminist theory as well as to the practice of domestic violence law.

From Disabusing the definition of domestic abuse: How women batter men and the role of the feminist state. There is a pdf of this study on redpilluk if you search for it (I'd post it but I can't copy the link).

So not only have feminists interfered with academic research on this topic, they have also written the laws and influenced police strategies that are used to convict people of domestic violence.

So it's really not all that surprising when male victims of domestic violence are arrested instead of their abusers. In fact, many male victims of domestic violence are afraid to call the police and find help because this is such a big problem (source here). Female abusers walk free while innocent men, victims even, are put behind bars.

If this isn't proof that feminism has had a detrimental impact on society, then I don't know what is.

shy_dude_ · 2019-10-17T22:41:33+00:00

For me it’s the little stuff. I’m in college and my friend group consists of a sizable amount of girls, some of which are hardcore feminists. Call me overly sensitive, but they do stuff like wear shirts and have accessories that glorify women. Not to mention that they also want to punish all men for what happened in the past.

It’s mainly the little bigoted comments that get me, like encouraging empowerment of women (which is usually in response to a woman beating or killing a man) and making hateful comments towards men.

heeeymrtangerineman · 2019-10-18T05:30:23+00:00

Honestly, FAF (Forget about Feminists)

Feminists are many, MRAs are few. Whenever you enter into a discussion with them, chances are numbers will prevail over any argument, so people will always stand on their side due to peer pressure.

Best you can do is keep researching, meditate on your findings, present evidence the best you can (even if it contradicts other MRAs), and let other people think about your ideas. Let them be the "mansplainers", let them be the ones screaming into the void.

Sidenote: Steer the fuck away from any women's issues. ie. If you're going to talk about male rape, talk about male rape. If they steer the discussion into how female rape is worse, just say "our issues are different" and refrain from discrediting any numbers they have. Focus on your things.

Title	Frustrated. People don't want to hear about feminism's abuses
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Date	October 17, 2019 4:29 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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