Harvard medical school censors its own study showing 70 percent of domestic violence is committed by women against men..

iainmf · 2015-02-15T05:28:38+00:00

Here is the study the article was based on.

Allevil669 · 2015-02-15T14:56:21+00:00

I think the biggest issue is this:

Men know hitting women is wrong, for any reason, no matter how mad they make you or what they say. This has been drilled into us since childhood. We're treated as weapons.
Women, generally, aren't taught violence is wrong to the same extent as men. They certainly aren't taught beating on men is wrong, for any reason, no matter what they say. It seems the constant rejoinder when a man is beaten by some woman is, "Well what did he do to provoke her?"
Men ~~loose~~ lose control.
Women are provoked.

Two different narratives. Two separate worldviews. Two different standards of conduct. Two very different models of responsibility.

Mac2TheFuture · 2015-02-15T06:51:49+00:00

I believe, in some way, that even more are started by women, but men are less likely to call the police for domestic violence. I'd like to see that statistic, because even if women are the instigators and they are the ones to call, the police will most likely show up with the direct intention of arresting the man without even understanding the situation.

tigrn914 · 2015-02-15T06:49:31+00:00

"Can't have that getting out now can we."

jvgkaty44 · 2015-02-15T15:15:03+00:00

Go post this is the feminism subs, I'd like to see the reaction

Sherlock--Holmes · 2015-02-15T15:16:46+00:00

My best friend went to PRISON for 6 months after his ex-gf initiated violence against him. She smashed a wine glass on his head. Unfortunately she got the worst of his response to that. Bloody nose, fat lip, black eye, etc.. He was then suspended from the Bar, but was recently readmitted after almost 5 years.

iainmf · 2015-02-15T07:17:51+00:00

They can't censor this shit forever. When they finally admit women start most of the violence, it will be all about who gets hurt more, and because men are stronger and can obviously hurt those "equal" women more, then self defense may not be allowed. Or they might state some bullshit psychobabble about women get a pass because of their insanity, retardation, emotions or hormones making them not responsible for their violence. They will find a way to femsplain and excuse it.

Electroverted · 2015-02-15T07:39:58+00:00

It's the climate change debate of feminism.

Tmomp · 2015-02-15T16:02:14+00:00

The page begins with

It is needless to say that whenever a feminist utters a word or opens their mouths to speak, all you will ever hear are LIES and made-up generalisations that fall apart completely whenever anyone bothers to check the facts.

then accuses them of "hyperbole" and "delusional hysterics" and calls them "child-minded gutter-tramps."

Linking to writing like this risks undermining this subreddit.

neoj8888 · 2015-02-15T07:27:23+00:00

Honestly not surprising. I've been hit by 4 or 5 women, myself, and have never hit one in return. And so just for me, just to return to a 1:1 ratio, 4 women need to be hit, whom have never, themselves, hit a man.

frigidjudge · 2015-02-15T14:29:37+00:00

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2015-02-15T13:50:30+00:00

Really it makes sense. Men and women are both capable of violence. But women have been taught from birth that they have a right to hit men without repercussions while men have been taught they may never hit a woman even in self defense.

chafedinksmut · 2015-02-15T11:32:30+00:00

Oops, this evidence falsifies the current feminist narrative and exculpates men from bearing all guilt for everything, everywhere, better quash it.

scanspeak · 2015-02-15T21:37:38+00:00

So what's a guy to do if he has an abusive wife? The only support service for men is a park bench or a jail cell.

2015-05-05T09:04:50+00:00

Harvard took down the link to the newsletter article on their website.

The data come from a peer-reviewed publication. It can be found here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1854883/

scanspeak · 2015-02-15T13:05:43+00:00

We in in the midst of a war against men and the first casualty in a war is the truth.

redditpanda123 · 2015-04-12T14:14:23+00:00

For those who can't find it the study is at this page http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1854883/

"Results. Almost 24% of all relationships had some violence, and half (49.7%) of those were reciprocally violent. In nonreciprocally violent relationships, women were the perpetrators in more than 70% of the cases. Reciprocity was associated with more frequent violence among women... but not men... reciprocal intimate partner violence was associated with greater injury than was nonreciprocal intimate partner violence regardless of the gender of the perpetrator..."

Title: "Differences in Frequency of Violence and Reported Injury Between Relationships With Reciprocal and Nonreciprocal Intimate Partner Violence" By: Daniel J. Whitaker, PhD, Tadesse Haileyesus, MS, Monica Swahn, PhD, and Linda S. Saltzman, PhD Published in: Am J Public Health. 2007 May; 97(5): 941–947. doi: 10.2105/AJPH.2005.079020 PMCID: PMC1854883

Mick0331 · 2015-06-12T06:21:05+00:00

This is the Reddit I always wanted. People coming on here and fucking shit up with the truth.

scanspeak · 2015-02-15T13:06:53+00:00

Hopefully we can look forward to your next study on violence against children by their mother.

gmcalabr · 2015-02-15T12:58:15+00:00

So this study involved young couples? Thats interesting and good data, but keep in mind that this stat may very well change as the couples get older.

CrayolaS7 · 2015-02-15T18:57:56+00:00

Almost 24% of all relationships had some violence, and half (49.7%) of those were reciprocally violent. In nonreciprocally violent relationships, women were the perpetrators in more than 70% of the cases.

Read More: http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2005.079020

24% of relationships had SOME violence, unspecific. Just a total amount.

Half of them, both partners were violent.

in the other half, where only one person was violent, it was 7/3 split women to men.

As a result:

Regarding injury, men were more likely to inflict injury than were women (AOR=1.3; 95% CI=1.1, 1.5)

So it sounds like we're calling a woman slapping a man a few times on the shoulders domestic violence, and then if that man hauls off and closed fist slugs her one in the jaw that is the same level of domestic violence. á_á Probably could have done with more specific amounts of violence.

The study says that the violence generally amounts to nothing until men start hitting back and then it gets really serious and someone ought to do something. I think it's shortsighted, and frankly gender biased to put the onus on men to be non-violent while ignoring the elephant in the room.

Infinitopolis · 2015-02-15T16:45:59+00:00

Men who are stronger than their female SO usually understand that even a hard slap will leave a mark...and that one should never use size or strength to get what you want out of those you love.

On the other hand...what cultural lessons do we give females regarding their own use of force? As men become more gentle there will need to be parity.

Suitecake · 2015-02-15T19:08:06+00:00

Is there any reason to believe that this article was deleted because of censorship?

The reporting is shoddy regardless; it wasn't a Harvard study. The now deleted article was reporting on a study published in the American Journal of Public Health. None of the authors (as best as I can tell) have ever been employed by Harvard University.

I dug around to see if the study was generally considered poor (it wouldn't be surprising that the article reporting on the study would be deleted if the study was widely discredited), but couldn't find anything to that tune.

Sherlock--Holmes · 2015-02-15T15:31:00+00:00

Bad title.

Women are the initiators of more than 70% of non-reciprocal domestic violence.

The 70% number is only true when men don't hit back (non-reciprocal).

When men do hit back, women get hurt more.

Sherlock--Holmes · 2015-02-15T15:18:51+00:00

The link in this story opened up a long vertical narrow white column of black text that I could not zoom into in Chrome, nor read. It was far too small. Weird.

jokoon · 2015-02-15T17:56:05+00:00

I recently provoked my girlfriend by teasing her, she hit me, and I hit her back.

She then faked calling the police.

JayBopara · 2015-02-16T12:45:12+00:00

Excellent source giving a link to DV being reciprocal and in instances of only one partner being violent, it being 70% of the time female.

2015-02-15T13:26:50+00:00

For some reason this domain is blocked on voat.co so it can't be shared there.

I've contacted the admins and I'm waiting for a response.

Update: Apparently the ban is on blogspot in general, not this specific blog, and can be circumvented by the admin of any sub

I_want_hard_work · 2015-02-15T15:31:38+00:00

I'd love to know what the definition was in this context.

gsettle · 2015-02-15T19:26:35+00:00

C'mon, these guys are smart enough to know you decide the outcome before you do the "study."

2015-02-15T13:54:16+00:00

Well, well, well...

AloysiusC · 2015-02-15T08:14:22+00:00

Well if they take it down, then one can literally say anything about it: for example that 105% of partner violence is committed by women, 48% by martians, 23.5% by stuffed animals and the remaining 801,32% by Harvard professors. Not true? Prove it ;)

2015-02-15T13:15:03+00:00

LOL truth? What truth?

Narrative that verifies feels is all that counts.

mgstewart1991 · 2015-02-15T15:50:20+00:00

the other difference is this it isnt that womens punches are weak they hurt and all men lie when they say it does not hurt but we have taken so much more growing up that it doesn't really effect us because we have taken knocks and punches twice as hard even messing with friends.

We wrestle play punching games with each other get in fights do stupid things scrape our knees and elbows a lot younger falling from bikes and trees and tripping friends over. We bang heads a lot so we understand how much pain we can take and how much it truly hurts so when a women punches you it does not hurt as much as what your used to but it still hurts. Like if a women punched a guy in his arm like 10 times eventually he would lose it and hit you because now your giving him a dead arm.

Dumpstar25 · 2015-02-16T12:38:50+00:00

The study actually says that only 24% of all couples study had violence. Of that 24% about half was nonreciprocally violent (so now we're looking at about 12%). Of that 12% about 70% was perpetrated by women. So what the study actually shows is that women are responsible for about 8.4% of all domestic violence.

octavian2 · 2015-02-15T13:40:23+00:00

Since the mass involvement of Harvard grads in the 2008 economic meltdown who really takes the struggling institution seriously anymore?

Title	Harvard medical school censors its own study showing 70 percent of domestic violence is committed by women against men..
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