How Feminism Is Driving The Growing Trend Of Anti-Women Subcultures

NAWALT_VADER · 2019-12-17T06:42:21+00:00

They are trying to conflate anti-feminism with anti-women.

Not all feminists are women, and not all women are feminists. Criticism of feminism is not a critique of women.

We can continue to condemn feminism without hating women. Hating feminism and hating women are not the same things.

mgtowolf · 2019-12-17T06:19:33+00:00

https://archive.is/3SrPz
Don't give those crazy people traffics.

RusherOfDin · 2019-12-17T06:55:55+00:00

The males of MGTOW view all women to be worthless parasites, hell-bent on destroying the lives of men.

Oh my God! That sounds like they are on the verge of becoming violent! Somebody should stop them before they do something crazy! /s

Therefore, they “Go Their Own Way” and avoid building relationships or friendship with women.

And that's what's got the status quo REALLY worried. Not gangs of rapists, kidnappers and murderers. Not cults and terrorist groups. Not political extremists threatening their entrenched deep state bureaucracy.

They're worried guys are dropping the fuck out of society, not raising a family, not bothering get their degrees and not bothering to climb the corporate ladder, buy the bigger house in which to raise their college bound children. In other words, not adding to the tax base and instead of raising the next generation they are leaving the government to pay for the lifestyle of tens of millions of single moms.

So they describe them as depraved and try to shame them out of their basements and away from their video games not because of what they do but because of what they don't want to do any longer.

Daman_1985 · 2019-12-17T12:23:28+00:00

"He explained to me how there is nothing more grotesque than a man who is incapable of picturing himself in the natural role of providing protection and support to the women he would love. The world may be falling apart, but a true man will continually preserve what he loves."

A "True Man" is defined by this article only as a man that toils away to provide for the demands of women. Nothing else. I say when it becomes evident nothing loves you. Why bother loving anything.

I find the lack of self awareness from this article hilarious. It even admits this is the status quo and men should be ashamed for walking away from their gender roles.

Man, " I love u, what can I do for you"

Woman, "I love u, what can you do for me"

Clearly the writer believes feminism's claim to break gender roles was only meant for women. Society only works when men continue to toe the line. To which I say "man up ladies" it's your turn to be the pack mules. I'll even tolerate your obsession of patting yourself on the back for the most mundane of accomplishments.

Nybaz · 2019-12-17T05:56:49+00:00

Another article that gets mgtow totally wrong

UltimaterializerX · 2019-12-17T10:48:06+00:00

That article is trash. It’s saying all anti-feminist rhetoric is anti-female, which is completely false.

rj2029x · 2019-12-17T12:08:24+00:00

And that, my friends, is what propaganda looks like.

elebrin · 2019-12-17T12:11:56+00:00

Small win when article gets it about 10% right.

The best part is accurate description of how men cut women out of their lives and refuse to deal with their toxicity . It's funny how that is a big concern for them, despite them calling men all kinds of names for doing so. If he is so bad for you, then you should be celebrating when he leaves you, not complaining? Unless it's a parasytical relationship dynamic...

Like it doesn't click for a second for them to pause and reflect maybe there is something they are doing wrong by complacency or activism. Most women who dunk on feminism actually deeply still see it as a good thing and useful, and would not have it any other way. They still go fill the seats in feminist events or marches or still push for feminist mandates at work and politics and institutions. So I don't for a second believe women when they make a claim of criticising feminism.

I guess it takes a handful more decades for a few more pennies to drop.

EricAllonde · 2019-12-17T09:36:40+00:00

Feminism is beginning to sink some of the once promising movements that they co-opted. The UK election was a prime example - where a set of women decided that they were entitled to extra pension benefits at an enormous sum. And they had this at the forefront of their manifesto. Never bothering to think that outside their own little bubble people were either more deserving or simply didn't care. It was offensively self serving.

In the US was all that DNC poison - determined to be represented by a woman they choose one of whom the best Elisabeth Warren could say that she was a 'nasty woman'. And then everyone wonders why the matrons of the country didn't vote for HC - they know the code.

Now there are climate movements - spouting nonsense about ending sexism and the patriarchy.

The Green political movements concentrating their efforts on feminist causes and allies instead of the environment.

Wake up Ladies! The next generation will be the hardest humanity and the Planet will ever have faced.

And yet getting ahead of men at all costs is more important than to work together for survival.
Women need to man up.

tharkyllinus · 2019-12-17T12:46:15+00:00

The article left out the effects of the courts and the bad behavior of women driving men away from relationships.

LateralThinker13 · 2019-12-17T15:41:44+00:00

I was going to roast this article. But... it's not wholly off base:

What changed? Why is this happening?

The answer is blatantly clear. Men are losing their reverence for women because feminist ideology promotes the culture of anti-male nihilism through the feminization of men. By extension, it is actively destroying everything that is sacred about women since it robs femininity and masculinity of any meaning.

The author still has her head up her feminist arse, but then she spouts a truth like the above. Sure she can only see from a feminist perspective, but even she can see it's bad for women - even though her argument is, "If we keep treating men this badly, they'll stop putting us on pedestals and giving us all the good stuffs!!!"

The culture establishes that the ideal woman is smarter, stronger, better than the men in every way, and you can always depend on her to swoop in and save the day. This trope is apparent in just about any family sitcom, movies, music, and the literature we consume today. Think — the bumbling fool of a dad in contrast to the highly efficient mom.

The problem when we constantly showcase women in this way is how we are presenting women as nothing but a mother figure. This is perilous because it pushes men to subconsciously embrace the role of the Puer Aeternus — the “eternal boy.”

She ain't wholly wrong. (She misses that the Mary Sue is damaging to women, an impossible and unhealthy standard, and insulting to men, but...) She's not seeing the full picture, or how much MORE women are responsible for many of the problems, and she's probably incapable of admitting the power imbalance that leads to Incels and MGTOWs and MRAs, but... she can see some of it at least. I'll grant her that.

bluesteelballs · 2019-12-17T15:41:58+00:00

He explained to me how there is nothing more grotesque than a man who is incapable of picturing himself in the natural role of providing protection and support to the women he would love. The world may be falling apart, but a true man will continually preserve what he loves.

What the actual fuck???

This is such a bait-and-switch article. While it may acknowledge that feminism is a problem, it does it just as the means to try and manipulate men back into that role of provider and protector by the all too common shame tactic of "a true man" bullshit.

Women are manipulators by evolution and indoctrination, do not fall for this nonsense and beware of such dirty tactics.

I also loved that they equated leaving women alone and going our own way with men are pigs and must be destroyed ideals.

themightyJG · 2019-12-17T11:00:15+00:00

she called us vile, well now i gotta love woman.

Admiralthrawnbar · 2019-12-17T11:51:41+00:00

While it obviously has some glaring flaws (calling MGTOW anti-women and such) I think this article has more good than bad. At least it recognizes that feminism is what brought us to this point

IronJohnMRA · 2019-12-17T13:14:27+00:00

“MGTOW Movement.”

FFS MGTOW is not a movement.

Dick-Wraith · 2019-12-17T10:00:03+00:00

Yeah well look into the group of people who gave us feminism, critical racial theory, and other post modern forms of thought and therein lies the true problem.

Maximellion · 2019-12-17T16:05:05+00:00

Forgive my shitty grammar and the length but I need to express myself.

MGTOW to me means self improvement, positive mental health practices, and positive sexual health for MEN of all colors and backgrounds.

Before I found MGTOW I was bitter and angry because I couldnt find a woman to be in a relationship with even though i've had plenty of opportunities to do so. I was addicted to porn since the age of 10 not realizing that a lot of the behaviours I was doing was in fact harming myself and the result of that harm was the source of my unattractiveness. For years I spent the majority of life modeling myself to be the opposite of an asshole dude. The asshole dude to me was the man who treated women like shit, who wouldn't take responsibility of a child they created, a man who doesn't understand the value of family and throws it away. Then over time I learned that women actually like these kinds of men. The men who be in and out of jail, constantly abused them be it mentally or physically, and just don't respect or appreciate the essence of family and tradition.

Those kinds of men typically were physically attractive which made whatever they did forgivable because people tend to treat physically attractive people better than if you weren't. I felt that it was unfair that I tried to model myself as a traditional gentleman when most women around me wanted the opposite. First the alphabet movements starting popping up and I didn't care at first because i thought, hey whatever you like is whatever you like just dont try to force views on me. Then I started seeing it everywhere in just about all forms of media and I'm like wtf dont they realize kids watch TV too? now that nearly every child has a damn phone I go on social media and you have people like Amber Rose who host movements like the "Slut Walk" and not far after that Beyonce dropped her Lemonade album to which I already thought her fanbase in the recent years were already shit talking man haters. I was like wow, so were just gonna straight up shit on men on the radio and it's totally okay. Then the Me too movement began...

Now we have the "Trans movement" if you wanna call it that but you hear about it every day. Now I'm no expert but in my opinion some of the examples I provided (and other issues too like the lack of fathers in families, lack of mental health discussions with men and a long list of other things) could've resulted in the some Men taking part in those relationships where it's like 5 dudes and one woman (cant think of the name right now), you've got men who want to be women, and finally you have men who chose to go there own way.

Before MGTOW and NO FAP I was a hallow, bitter man with a never ending sexual appetite trying to find love. Now, I have control over my sexual desires, i appreciate my family and take pride and honor defending them. I dont worry about love as it will happen when it happens. I'm happy with taking care of myself through meditation, no weed but I socially drink, talking about how I feel and expressing myself whenever I need to even if it's to myself like writing in a journal or something, exercise is part of my life and I love it. I take myself out to dinner, take classes to be a better shooter, I go out of my way to learn a survival skill or any skill that benefits me. I actually want to learn Archery, sewing, and to be a better cook. Now I do have a daughter and i want to teach her that not all men are sex crazed demons running around trying to hurt you. We do have a few bad apples but people like to say the whole fruit sucks because of the bad apples they tried.

As far as women, I move carefully around them. I say hi and maybe make small talk but only because its common courtesy. I dont compliment women because words are so easily twisted nowadays. Should a woman need help I'll make sure to do it in front of a camera or a witness so I dont find myself in court because we all know courts dont favor men. I still won't treat them like shit because I believe everyone responds well to decency and respect. I believe that one day I may find the right person for me or maybe not! Who knows because dating today sucks. I guess what in trying to say is MGTOW and NO FAP helped me in ways I couldn't believe was possible. While lonliness does happen and it can suck sometimes i enjoy the peace and constantly remind myself of what I've achieved so far. I go my own way while blocking the noise that is the media and those man-hating women. I dont care where you come from or your skin color if you're a man I'll extend my hand for you if you have good intent. If you're a woman I might extend my hand but only if there are cameras, witnesses and we're in broad day light lol

Treat everyone with decency and respect while not taking any type of shit from anyone and go your own way. You control your happiness.

Sorry again for grammar. punctuation, length. I hope this made sense because I feel like my thoughts were all over the place. Im just venting so there could be things I've got wrong or I could've contradicted myself. Idk, but I'm still working on myself in a lot of ways and I want those dudes who feel hopless to remember that there's ALWAYS a way. You just have to find your inner strength and love yourself. Love your fucking self. If you made it this far, thanks for reading. Good day Gents.

Also, I know not all women are man-haters its just when they speak up and say it. Their voices are drowned out by the ones who are.

MRA-Sid · 2019-12-17T21:46:11+00:00

Men are waking up because understood that feminism is not at all about equality. It’s a cancerous movement to snatch everything from men earned.

JudgementalChair · 2019-12-17T13:18:00+00:00

Their final point mirrors a conversation I had with a female friend a few weeks back. She told me she thought I hated women. I told her I in fact love women, I hate feminists, and that since most of the women I know are feminists, I actively avoid them to reduce the chance of drama entering my life. The women I still associate with do not identify with the feminist movement

heeeymrtangerineman · 2019-12-17T14:04:05+00:00

This is perilous because it pushes men to subconsciously embrace the role of the Puer Aeternus — the “eternal boy.” The man need not grow up because why would he? He has women to bear the burden of life for him.

How does she manage to merge the figure of the man-child carried by women, along with the MGTOW which by her own definition lack women in their lives bc they hate them?

Today’s anti-women movement like the MGTOWs is contrary to these natural masculine desires.

So, basically they're the new gays.

Aqedah · 2019-12-17T14:15:12+00:00

Couldn't finish reading, became apparent was a load of biased bollocks when they started using terms like 'incel' and the wildly immaculate claims against mgtow

Daman_1985 · 2019-12-17T13:02:23+00:00

First, thanks for sharing the article. It was very interesting.

Said that, I find the article one of the most biased pieces of text I read in recent times. It tries to be unbiased but fails totally in the end.

As one user said here, this is propaganda.

dtyler86 · 2019-12-17T15:21:23+00:00

Clearly authored by a ...feminist. MGTOW is IMO, men that are focused on their careers and women are welcome to join in their terms, but not putting women or sex on a pedestal just to be walked on. Angry feminist versions of men? One uses logic, the other embraces mediocrity. Guess which is the feminist?

Lethn · 2019-12-17T15:58:57+00:00

I suppose I have to give the author credit for not including MRAs in the 'anti-woman' subculture.

MGTOW is short for “Men Going Their Own Way” and its followers pursue a lifestyle of dealing with women as though women are the enemies of all men. They’re basically the male version of the man-hating radical feminist.

This is actually false, the clue is in the name, they're just fed up of women and don't want anything to do with them, I hate it when feminists rant about these groups and write so many lies about them I have to stick up for them.

“It doesn’t matter,” he says, finally. Despite the abhorrent state of affairs today, he isn’t about to give up on women because “The problem isn’t women. The problem is feminism.”

If these were really 'anti-women subcultures' then why would he write something like that? That's the exact kind of thing that I write, the problem isn't women, it's feminism. Yet this idiot is defaulting to making it out that attacking feminist ideology is an attack on women.

If this person seriously considers a line like that to be 'hating' women then they are an extremist.

McFeely_Smackup · 2019-12-17T17:49:07+00:00

Men are disgusted by women in almost every way today

this article came out of the gate with guns blazing.

perplexedm · 2019-12-17T19:44:57+00:00

Woman need a man like a fish need a bicycle. Or so used to say all those feminists.

Now, why they aren't minding their own business and stop bothering men those who are not interested in bothering women ?

Now, will they call out their sugary daddy govts. to buy bicycles for fish ?

parth13579 · 2019-12-19T03:27:03+00:00

Extreme of anything will cause it to backfire and that's what is happening

K-Dave · 2019-12-17T14:23:26+00:00

I love women. Always have, always will.

I want women to be free to do whatever they want. But feminism is invasive, aggressive, extreme, hurts the purpose, divides people...

It's not only their fault, though. Extremism, filterbubbles and all that stuff is an issue in a lot of niches these days. Feminism is just one of the biggest bubbles.

ModsHateTruth · 2019-12-17T13:49:36+00:00

Reading the article, she seems to understand some of it, but in the end gets what the results will be.

...and she's TERRIFIED. >:D

2019-12-17T15:42:12+00:00

The goal:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divide_and_rule

MineDogger · 2019-12-17T20:22:38+00:00

Imagine yourself as a woman who had been disappointed by her romantic history. She turns her bitterness towards all males by deeming men to be horrible, irredeemably predatory scum. She became this way after being indoctrinated by an ideology that preaches the inherent evilness of masculinity and therefore must be destroyed. We’d call her a ~~bitter man-hating, radical~~ feminist. The MGTOWs are ~~essentially the same.~~ Nothing like that because feminists actively seek to undermine men and male institutions.

...And what does nihilism have to do with these ideologies? Feminism is a distinct dogma. Incels are salty because they want a place in society, (or at least in a woman...) Nihilism denys purpose and accepts chaos. A nihilist wouldn't be invested in this bullshit.

Bogsy_ · 2019-12-17T21:34:29+00:00

Darkness rises and the light to meet it.

DeadMansBoots · 2019-12-17T23:05:43+00:00

They've only just noticed?

2019-12-17T14:32:37+00:00

Actually, you guys need to read the article. It actually supports everything you guys do. Very surprising!

ifelsedowhile · 2019-12-17T11:07:28+00:00

looks like a conservative leaning outlet. also WB the girl in the pic. sorry, my sexism is resurfacing.

AOCsFeetPics · 2019-12-17T11:32:14+00:00

“We don’t need feminism because it causes people to hate women” is probably the best example of why we need feminism. As long as someone wants to take your rights away, you shouldn’t stop fighting for those rights.

Title	How Feminism Is Driving The Growing Trend Of Anti-Women Subcultures
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