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"If rape laws were gender neutral then men would falsely accuse women of rape" -- a discussion I had with a feminist.

September 2, 2020
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So I casually dropped this link in a discussion I was having on reddit:

https://jpost.com/Israel/Womens-groups-Cancel-law-charging-women-with-rape

It's about how feminists are fighting against gender neutral rape laws in Israel because they're afraid men will use those laws to falsely accuse women of sexual assault.

I'm not sure what response I was expecting when I posted this. But I honestly did not expect her to double down and defend it as a legitimate concern. These are the kinds of things they usually believe in but keep to themselves because they know how ridiculous it is.

At the end of the day, they do not want gender equality. And at this point I wouldn't be surprised if they came out and admitted to that.

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Title "If rape laws were gender neutral then men would falsely accuse women of rape" -- a discussion I had with a feminist.
Author Oncefa2
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Date September 2, 2020 1:11 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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[–]Oncefa2[S] 553 points554 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

Just yesterday it came out that a 33 year old school teacher was raping her students and threatening them with false allegations if they spoke up.

This is an all too common experience for men who are often abused by women and silenced for this reason.

'She said "what are you gonna do? I’ll start screaming rape and you’re up in court tomorrow, do you think they’ll believe anything you’ve got to say?’’'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8685811/Married-33-year-old-teachers-secret-sex-schoolboy-15.html

http://wp.lancs.ac.uk/forced-to-penetrate-cases/files/2019/07/BA-FTP-project-report-2019.pdf

And then there was the Amber Heard debacle:

"You can please tell people that it was a fair fight, and see what the jury and judge thinks. Tell the world Johnny, tell them Johnny Depp, I Johnny Depp, a man, I'm a victim too of domestic violence."

...

"Nobody will believe you. So you better do what I want. "

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7966723/amp/Amber-Heard-ridicules-Johnny-Depp-claiming-hes-domestic-violence-victim.html

And yet they think it's primarily an issue the other way around.

To the point that they don't even think it should be legal for a man to accuse a woman of rape at all.

So much for gender equality.

[–][deleted] 192 points193 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

Yeah its crazy. I had a bipolar ex. She punched me in the face one time. Another time she threw a table at me (idk how. she weighed less than me). What could i do about it? Nothing.

[–]thefudmaster 126 points127 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

And if she had called the cops on you, you would have been arrested even though she did those things to you.

[–]Synn7645 65 points66 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Back in 2018 the girl I was with at the time pulled a knife on me and tried 4 times to stab me with it in our house. I was able to dodge the swipes but had to lay my hands on her hands to get the knife away from her and call the police. When they showed up she pointed all of the blame at me even though the neighbors had seen most of it go down through our patio screen door. We were both arrested, and even though the neighbors backed up my claim of self defense I was charged with a domestic since I didn't have any injuries from the incident but she had bruises on her hands and wrists from me getting the knife away from her.

The system is fucked.

[–]thefudmaster 18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

System is fucked for sure. Thank your lucky stars she was arrested as well. Hopefully you are no longer with her and you didn’t receive permanent harm for your arrest.

[–]seals77yeet 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"sir she tried to kill me with a knife so i fought back" officers "you what"

[–]chocoboat 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I can almost understand (not excuse, but understand) a certain level of female violence against males. They're not taught that it's equally wrong, and yes there is an imbalance of strength so the typical stuff (punches, throwing things) wouldn't usually do much damage. And I can see why police wouldn't always know who to believe.

But a knife attack with witnesses? Actual attempted murder, and the police couldn't sort out whether the knife attacker or the person being chased with the knife should be arrested?

Please tell me it all got sorted out later and your charges were dropped. I assume she was telling them "he came after me, I grabbed the knife to defend myself"? Because that's the only way arresting you makes the slightest bit of sense.

[–]Synn7645 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That was the story she gave, yeah. The whole thing was fucking wild, easily the most insane week of my life. She suffered from self-diagnosed Borderline Personality Disorder and romanticized the thought of the illness to the point where, any time she did anything unbecoming, she would blame it on that and shrug it off. I worked long shifts at the time because she was trying to go back to college so I was doing 60-80 hour weeks and picking up extra shifts whenever possible. She and another mutual friend started seeing eachother behind my back, and I only found out because someone else told me about it. I brought it up to her, she got super offended and accusatory, "it's only because you aren't able to give me the attention that I need, you aren't enough for me, you're always working, etc" and the situation just escalated from there. It turned into shouting on both sides, then screaming, then she grabbed a carving knife and it turned into "I can't believe you're going to make me fucking do this, YOU wanted this, this is YOUR fault" and hysteria. She was short and weighed around 120lbs so there wasn't a lot of "implied force" as her lawyer put it but intent to harm or kill is still intent to harm or kill. I was closer to 190lbs at the time and it didn't take too much for me to get the knife away from her and prevent her from going back into the kitchen. She ended up storming out of the house and driving off.

Police showed up not long after, maybe 30 minutes, and it took another 30-ish or so minutes for them to find her car. She had gotten ahold of another knife in that time and cut huge gashes into her arms, which she also tried to blame on me. If it wasn't for the neighbors testimony saying that I didn't do any of that and I was only acting in self defense I'd probably be serving time in jail/prison right now. Given the situation I was lucky to only get a domestic compared to how it could've gone down. The city I'm in also offers a deferment program for first time domestic abuse cases, so it was removed from my record after around 16 weeks of compliance and a $400 fine. Not sure what kinds of ramifications she faced, but they were probably very similar to my own.

[–]chocoboat 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Damn... she actually cut herself? That's seriously insane. Thank god your neighbors were there, I agree you'd be in prison without them if the police showed up and saw her with cuts in her arms. Sorry to hear your charges weren't dropped once the real story got out, that's some BS.

[–]Savings_Umpire_5002 20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup

[–]__pulsar 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Male privilege!

[–]jonathan_the_slow 11 points12 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

She gives bipolar a bad name.

[–]tendaga 9 points10 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

No bipolar is just bad. Flat out. It will, not can, but will make you do things you'd never imagine you even could do.

[–]jonathan_the_slow 15 points16 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Trust me, I know what bipolar does to a person better than most people, but it doesn’t automatically make you a borderline psychopath. It’s on her that she didn’t get treatment for this horrible mental illness. Not everyone with bipolar is a garbage human being and she genuinely brings shame to those of us who have bipolar disorder. Source: I was diagnosed with bipolar in 4th grade and have been dealing with it since then.

[–]Alarming_Draw 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It really doesnt. Women and feminists have been trying to normalize insanity for centuries, and have succeeded now. If you are female, you simply are not responsible for your actions-never. Blame drink, blame men, blame the patriarchy, blame your kids, blame the boy you fucked for 'coming onto you', blame your period, blame mental illness.

If youre a man? Blame yourself.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What could i do about it? Nothing.

Run. Find a sane female.

[–]BeingNTisEverything 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No such thing

[–]Alarming_Draw 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What also sickens me is the bullshit argument women use to excuse things like this-'well women arent as strong or big as men so they need protecting'.

They ARE protected-by spreading lies and terrorising men in society by having the entire legal system at their disposal, from police officer to media to judge and everything in between

[–]available_splinter 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What's worse was that she was raping him while saying this.

[–]Dunkolunko 280 points281 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Gee! Imagine being concerned about false allegations! We men wouldn't know about that!

[–]desh_15 105 points106 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Spot on All of sudden false allegations are a real thing hun? Of course only men would lie about that

Women dont lie about rape,ever Just.. Lol

[–][deleted] 49 points50 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

My OWN wife walked into a police station and claimed I raped her. Why? To get an advantage in Family court. No repercussions despite her lies!

[–]KingKookus 20 points21 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I hope ex wife

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

yes...

[–]GltyUntlPrvnInncnt 168 points169 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh, the horror of gender neutral rape laws! Women all over the world would have to worry about men falsely accusing them!

Good thing men don't have to worry about that...oh,wait...

[–]auMatech 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The consensus is apparently "if you're accused, just take the hit for all the shit women have been through" or some similar mental gymnastics nonsense that is spun around this.

[–]ElectraUnderTheSea 135 points136 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

Aren't feminist always saying that false rape accusations are a huge minority of cases anyway? And that is worth having stricter laws so you catch as many rapists possible even if a handful of men get wrongly convicted? Tell her exactly that.

And very telling that her thought jumps immediately to false accusations...

[–]irrelevantmoniker 105 points106 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

No you don't understand. See. If women can accuse men of rape they'd never do it falsely or maliciously (or hardly ever) because women are intrinsically morally virtuous. They're like tolkien elves, angels or saints. They're just plain better people.

If men can accuse WOMEN of rape though well that's completely different. They'd make false accusations out of malice all the time cause men are inherently evil and depraved. Like tolkien orcs, demons or saturday morning cartoon villains.

See, if you realize that the feminist position is that men are orcs in a hack fantasy novel then the inconsistencies in their positions go away.

[–]Battleship1239 10 points11 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Do you are have not smart? Because if you look at a few studies, and some GOVERNMENT statistics, you'll see women do falsely accuse men of rape, and get away with it. The reason men want it gender neutral is to even the scale, too many men get locked away for nothing, they lose their life, their families, their children, why? Because a woman abused her power of being a woman, my mother did this to my father, I only recently found out through my grandmother, she accused him of it so she could train me to be a Feminazi, and she has been keeping me away from his contact, I hope to find him someday.

Enough about my thinly disguised rant, my point is that women do abuse the system, and in doing so, you are creating the spite that men will have towards women, men nowadays either hate, fear, or are obedient to Feminists, and it creates a world of chaos for innocent people.

[–]Lostvayne12 50 points51 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You replied to a satirical comment. Though it's easy to mix them up when you can't do sarcastic accents online.

[–]Battleship1239 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Ah I see, I think thats why reddit has /s lol

[–]Lostvayne12 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, he should've used it

[–]__pulsar 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It was obvious sarcasm

[–]LittleLoli_Throwaway 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

my mother did this to my father

Samesies. She even raped him after drugging him then had her boyfriend beat her in order to frame him.

[–]irrelevantmoniker 14 points15 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Dude. Do you are have not reading?

Stop yelling at me and read what I fucking wrote.

[–]Battleship1239 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Sorry, didn't realize it was sarcasm, you should have put /s in my opinion, but geez chill

[–]irrelevantmoniker 15 points16 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I figured the last part gave that away, where I explained that feminist positions are consistent if you assume they're built on certain premises that are politically awkward for them to admit to holding.

After all its hard for them to say "We are a movement for equality on the premise that the male sex is intrinsically evil"

[–]Input_output_error 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They're like tolkien elves, angels or saints. They're just plain better people.

Was plenty to realize its /s.

[–]Battleship1239 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Again, I said I was sorry, yeah I see that now. And again, /s would have helped

[–]wrekd 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Welcome to Reddit. As this is your first day here, you are probably confused about a lot of things...

[–]Battleship1239 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

lol

[–]Alarming_Draw 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah this is the point-boys are raised in our society to put women on a pedestal, to treat them like angels, to never blame, doubt, question, or expect equal responsibility from them.

Girls are raised to put their feelings on a pedestal, to never doubt or question them, to put them ahead of situation, of facts, of science.

Things will only get worse unless we reverse or stop this. Its brainwashing our kids in this toxic feminist society.

[–]irrelevantmoniker 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Part of it might be evolutionary and harder to get rid of. I'm just theorizing here but I think part of the problem is we're tribal apes with modern technology and looks something like this.

Lets picture ancient tribal ape humans. In this time females are valuable because they are the biggest predictor as to whether the tribe produces a next generation the same size or larger than the current generation. Two situations.

Thad the caveman insults, strikes or otherwise aggresses against Burly the big caveman. Burly then beats Thad to death with a rock for his transgressions. Mostly because when the social situation and technology is so simplistic a rock is often the best conflict resolution tool yet invented.

Farla the cavewoman insults, strikes or otherwise aggresses against Burly the caveman. In a situation where Burly leaves Farla dead or injured like above the tribe suffers, evolution would have the tribe where Burly let Farla get away with her actions as she'd be more likely to have children if she wasn't dead or injured.

And just like that evolution, the heartless jerk that it is, predisposes men to give women a certain freedom from the consequences of their actions.

[–]TheAngryGoat 13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Aren't feminist always saying that false rape accusations are a huge minority of cases anyway?

They say it, but the majority of them know the lie. Just as with other ones such as the wage gap myth. It's all lies, they all know they're lying.

[–]Oncefa2[S] 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Tell a lie often enough and people will start to believe it.

[–]Mythandros 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The really dangerous part of that is they've told the lie so much that they start to believe it themselves.

[–][deleted] 36 points37 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

No👏no👏no👏 Men would lie, womyn don't lie. If you think a womyn is lying you are mistaken. What you are witnessing is internalize misogyny forced on to womyn by the patriarchy. No womyn has ever done anything bad in the history of the Humyn race. Repeat after me, it👏 is 👏 always 👏 the 👏 man's 👏 fault.

Sorry, I threw up a little typing that bullshit.

[–]hellraisinhardass 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

All wars are started by MENNNN!

[–]FinallyReborn 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Minority" Nearly half of rape accusations are falsely accused.

[–]skepticalbob 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Aren't feminist whatever always saying

It doesn't matter the category or descriptor, the answer is no. Need more information. You are making the same mistake as the feminist in this story.

[–]ninja_deli 44 points45 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So men falsely accusing women of rape is a problem and should be avoided. Women falsely accusing men of rape shouldn't be an issue for men because it's such a "small number?" WTF...

[–]InformalCriticism 17 points18 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

As a man, I've been raped and sexually assaulted by women, sometimes even to the letter of the law, but no law enforcement agency, prosecutor, or judge would ever honor the facts.

Getting woken up with blow jobs, being lied to about birth control, these are the double standards that are dismantling western civilization.

[–]Digitab 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You okay bro? You've been through a lot, so I thought I'd check up on ya.

[–]InformalCriticism 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for the check in. I'm as good as I can be.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There isn't a facepalm big enough in the world for this.

Facepalm napalm perhaps?

[–][deleted] 29 points30 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have posted this here a few times but I guess I will say it again:

Feminism has never been about equality, only leverage/power over others.

Edit: don't up vote this

[–][deleted] 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s no secret feminist don’t want gender neutral rape and domestic violence laws because

1.) Feminists have done everything in their power to push out biases studies and use victim complex logic to change policies, laws and even argue in courts to make sure men aren’t seen as victims and women aren’t seen as dangerous, abusive or violent. Kate P. Moss is a great example of this. She argued male victims shouldn’t be treated the same as female rape victims and her “1 in 5 women” study used vague questions and the researchers picked who was and wasn’t a victim (Not actually asking the women involved) to paint the victim narrative and made it a “Man evil, woman victim” that’s constantly repeated by feminists (Even though 70% of women involved in the study spoke out against the study)

2.) If the laws were gender neutral then it would break the feminist narrative that women are the ultimate victims. That’s why when you read unbiased studies that include “Forced to penetrate” and categorize it as rape, the rates of male and female victimization and perpetration becomes almost equal, breaking the whole “95% of rapist are male”. Same with domestic violence.

It would force society to actually treat women like men, which feminist know is like shit and won’t get them the special power or privileges they have now, so they’ll constantly fight in courts and colleges to make sure this narrative remains alive and well and men are painted as evil so they can have all the power and control and get away with shitty behavior and not have to be held as accountable as men.

https://honeybadgerbrigade.com/2019/05/06/feministlogic/

https://honeybadgerbrigade.com/2013/01/30/male-privilege-defining-male-victims-out-of-existence/

https://avoiceformen.com/sexual-politics/manufacturing-female-victimhood-and-marginalizing-vulnerable-men/

[–]RAPEFLUTE2020 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wait so let me get this right. Woman falsely accusing men of rape is a small problem and a small minority of cases but if men can falsely accuse woman of rape then it's a horrible thing and it's oppressive? Makes perfect sense

[–]putmeincoachkittyplz 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Falsely ?

I've had women touch me below the belt several times -- there would be false accusations but there'd probably be way more real ones. Every time a woman has touched me without consent it's been in front of several people and or cameras.

If sexual harassment/assault were taken equally seriously the world would be a better place, and women need to hold eachother accountable just like men need to hold other men accountable for inappropriate behavior.

[–]Savings_Umpire_5002 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The only reason they would have this fear is because they know, they fucking KNOW, women falsely accuse men of rape, a lot more than they would EVER admit. That they say a woman would never make a false accusation with a straight face, then say things like this, is simply a testimony to the fact that these women are so full of shit their eyes are brown.

[–][deleted] 15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

'Falsely accuse women of rape'. When men get accused, they say 'it's only a small number of cases' (it isnt) but when the thought of gender-neutral rape laws is passed, the poor women may get accused of rape.

Feminists are illogical brainlets.

[–]asdf333aza 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

So they think females are some holier than thou creatures that can't lie and they are the only ones who deserve to be believed. Righttt. See the Salem Witch Trials. Thats all this new movement is. Salem Witch Trials in 2020. Guys being accused left and right and in most cases there is NO EVIDENCE. Guilty until proven innocent. AND even if your are proven innocent, you will always be under suspicion.

We can all pull up NUMEROUS news articles of women lying about rape. Lying about sexual assault and so on. The government won't even consent to standardized paternity test at the time of birth even though we have the technology for it. They don't even want to know how much women lie cause they're fearful of the reality.

Point is women lie. Just like any other groups in power from the past, they're scared the people they have done wrong will one day return the favor and treat them the way they have treated us. They're scared we will do to them, what they are doing to us.

[–]Oncefa2[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If you really want to see people's heads spin, bring up the role of false allegations in the historical oppression of black people in the US.

Woke types go on and on about false imprisonments of minorities and ignore how many of those are false accusations of sexual assault. Especially of a white woman.

Go back far enough and they were used to justify the mass lynching of black people in the US. Around 30% by one estimate based on a catalog of actual lynchings (it's not a guess, that's a data driven estimate).

All a white woman had to do was point her finger at a black man, just for looking at her wrong, and it was over.

See:

The Red Record. https://archive.org/stream/theredrecord14977gut/14977.txt

Some more sources:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/e5ihjr/the_role_of_false_accusations_during_the/

[–]asdf333aza 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It started with blacks. Now its all of us. This is why we should of put a stop to all of this female false accusations bs and held them responsible from the start.

[–]Xvillan 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Self-awareness level; 0

[–]mhandanna 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You have to understand most feminsits are pro female. This is in contrast to most (but not all) MRAs and men in general who are egalatrian. In my own case, despite being an MRA I dont care about men or mens rights. No the root casue of my mens rights advocacy is because I see issues or inequalities and I want to fix them... a feminist I spoke to on here was saying how feminism was about equality and looks at mens issues... when we got down to it, she said women should get custody even if it is unfair to men as DV risk and shared custody is bad, its just a shame innocent men will suffer but thats what you have to do to protect women etc.... ahhhhh so we get to it now, you are a sexist bigot... I don't care about men getting custody cos they are men, I approach the issue of what is the fairest and best soloution.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And they’re right, that is a concern. But theoretically, the legal system will weed out the false allegations. It’s almost like more proof needs to be provided then simply the accuser’s word.

[–]TDG0922 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is why men eventually end up at MGTOW

[–]Electroverted 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a power play. Men can't have access to the same weapons.

[–]LateralThinker13 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's about how feminists are fighting against gender neutral rape laws in Israel because they're afraid men will use those laws to falsely accuse women of sexual assault.

So like women already do to men?

[–]Popsychology 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I will have to agree. Rape laws are so unfair that if a man acuses a woman of rape nothing happens and (if its false and you only want money or to fuck that persons life) its not worth it, but if a women does (here in spain) aside of giving the accused 48 hours of preventive jail (without any proof) everyone will hate him even if he is declared not guilty

[–]Oncefa2[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Part of it is that everyone knows that a woman disapproved of him enough that she had to go to those lengths against him.

The question is, even if he's innocent, what did he do to deserve it?

Women hold an enormous amount of power over a man's social standing.

That's why there's such a big stigma over incels: they're not good enough to gain approval from women, so there must be something wrong with them.

Point is, people might very well know that it's a lie. But it's still an avenue for women to publicly announce their displeasure of a man, which carries a huge amount of weight to begin with.

[–]neveragoodtime 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It doesn’t matter if a woman rapes a man and is then charged with rape. All she has to do is say she had alcohol that night and therefore he is guilty of raping her.

[–]Dls95405 10 points11 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Women are at war with men. They don't give a fuck that millions of us have been divorce-raped, they have evolved NOT to empathize with men. They're proud of it. Fleecing men in divorce court is a financial strategy long before they marry. Uncontrolled hypergamy is crashing western civilization.

[–]chocoboat 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Screwing people over in divorce is evil, but I don't think using the word rape to describe it is necessary. Those are two completely different kinds of evil behavior, they don't need to be compared.

[–]Dls95405 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Oh fuck off. This total lack of empathy for men is destroying our society. Wake the fuck up. Divorce-rape is a perfectly apt description. But thank you for the living example of not giving a shit for a single second about men. Gee, I wonder why men are avoiding marriage by the millions now...

[–]chocoboat 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's evil, I completely oppose it, and I want laws to be reformed to prevent anyone from being screwed over in a divorce - especially when it comes to family courts and the effectiveness of telling lies in order to deny men the right to see their children.

If you think that's a total lack of empathy just because I don't like to use the word "rape" to describe anything negative, that's your problem.

[–]Dls95405 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

The point is, I don't need a condescending language nanny hijacking the conversation to tell me what words to use while I'm talking about the most painful subject of my life. WTF is wrong with you? It never fucking ends with women.

[–]chocoboat 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I see your point, but this is the internet and sometimes people will have different opinions about things. I don't think men's rights issues are going to be successfully addressed until the MRM gets away from its negative public image that was created by feminist lies. If terms like "feminazi" and "financial abortion" and "divorce rape" are common then that won't happen. This is just one person's opinion and everyone has the right to disagree or not give a shit about it.

I'm sorry to hear that you've been a victim of the broken and biased legal system. And yes, men should be avoiding marriage by the millions, it needs to be taught everywhere that the legal institution of marriage offers almost no benefit but comes with a huge cost if the marriage ever ends, it's all negatives with no positives. A lot of men's lives would be drastically better if they were taught this but society keeps supporting it just because of tradition.

[–]Dynged 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The mask slippeth.

[–]5c0rp10_191 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Corrupt will see corruption in everyone, these women are well aware that women often make false accusations of rape against men and are afraid of men doing the same to them

[–]point5_ 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Rape laws aren’t gender neutral and some women falsely accuse men of rape

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Damn, maybe we should deincentivize false accusations in general.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

discussion

with

feminist

Pick one.

[–]DragoonurHD 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If a feminist says that, just link them this, http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/1

A woman cannot be sentenced to rape.

[–]MetroidJunkie 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Be a real shame if false rape accusations were to become a problem or anything...

[–]MezzaCorux 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The sheer lack of self-awareness of some people.

[–]FreeRangedDumpling 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The very depressing thing I have come to realize over my years, especiallly whilst in the army. Is that men almost always have pride&respect for ideas/ideals/immaterial things ingrained in them. That's the reason 99.99% of all existing ideals, national ethoses etc where brought into life by men, yes even the ones feminism prides itself on.

Whereas women generally lack that respect and pride for things that are bigger as themselves. That's also why women are such adamant followers of hedonistic lifestyles. They mostly don't care about desecrating symbolic things, as long as they themselves get an advantage.

Not trying to generalize, but like I said this came extremely apparent whilst being in the military. Even there a lot of the gals couldn't or didn't want to wrap their head around the different concepts of symbolism, and were rather trying to either take them down or inbew it with this feminism bs.

That's also why they are so adamant making such a fuss, that men would also do the same thing Because they know they're full of shit, but nowadays somehow the loudest mf wins.

Just my 30 cents.

[–]martellthacool 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminism is stupid

[–]Mode1961 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We can't have gender-neutral rape laws, RAPE victimhood belongs to women, it's what feminists have been fighting for all these years.

[–]MarsNirgal 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Now, this link is from ten years ago. What's the current situation?

[–]Yoramus 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is old news but on a related point...

What the hell is happening with the 'right' in Israel? The Likud is proposing a law against the salary gap, even if it's a myth and even if it's not really an economical rightist position to take. In a rightist government in the middle of a quasi-constitutional crisis they took an exception to the suspension of the parliament just to finalize the law that punishes the clients of the prostitutes.

Now the right had been in power for too long and is consolidating in a worrying way but if the alternative is even worse.... Poor Israel

[–]chocoboat 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Playing devil's advocate here for a minute... if rape laws were changed to be gender neutral nothing would change. But if society's values were changed to that the current "listen and believe" standard applied to everyone? Then yes, there would be some assholes who would make false accusations just to ruin someone's life, just because they dislike someone and have the power to harm them.

Did the feminist you were talking to agree that false rape accusations are a legitimate problem and that men are being treated as guilty until proven innocent? And she's just concerned about there being twice as much of that? If that was the case (I wouldn't bet on it, but it's possible) then she is not being ridiculous or opposing equality.

[–]Soul_in_Shadow 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I have always taken the stance that what someone thinks another will do will power is indicative of what they would do with power in their place. From that perspective, this argument is rather revealing.

[–]Oncefa2[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The entire concept of the patriarchy, and most feminist thought in general, is just projection.

They assume their sisters have their back and will screw over men because of some kind of superiority complex.

Men just aren't like that though.

Hell, most women probably aren't like that. It's just feminists who hold those kinds of bigoted views.

[–]psilorder 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course. They do believe men getting raped happens rarely if ever, so what would men want with such a law besides being able to falsely accuse women? Possibly to sidetrack from getting accused themselves?

Of course, men are still human and some humans suck, so there would be some men doing it, but that's no reason to deny the greater number. And maybe it would be incentive to have good investigations of rape claims.

Trusting the (alleged) victim should mean an investigation is opened, not that a sentence is passed. If nothing can be proven, that's unfortunately where we have to stop.

[–]Ash_Divine 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I can see some of the concerns being valid but in the end they're assuming that men would lie about it and falsely accuse women. Can't the same be said about women? Why are women put on such a pedestal by our society? They're not morally virtuous angels. They're human beings. They can be petty, selfish, ignorant and untruthful. They use the term "believe victims" - I think a more appropriate term should be "listen to victims but verify". In a world of lies and deceit, legally and morally speaking, we should always verify claims. We should give everyone their due process but the witch hunting needs to cease.

[–]Strikester101 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Are you surprised?

MeToo betrayed Tara Reade because it was politically inconvenient for them.

[–]Grave_Heresy 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

When they said # BelieveAllWomen all women that's literally what they meant. You didn't honestly think that they cared about all victims did you?

[–]WarOfNoise 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

...wow

[–]TopcodeOriginal1 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are reasons I want to die sometimes, these are those reasons

[–]Classicpass 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't you know they're retarded by now?

[–]Matt_the_Alien 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean yea probably, there’s always a dumbass who abuses the law

[–]robinsRGB 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

rape laws are gender neutral?

[–]Oncefa2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not in a lot of places.

The UK, India, Israel (if things haven't changed), and many US states have sexual assault laws that don't count a woman forcing a man to have sex as rape.

Often there are lesser crimes that they can be charged with but there's a huge double standard with this kind of stuff that starts at the top.

See:

https://www.reddit.com/r/rbomi/wiki/main

And unfortunately, many feminists defend this double standard either culturally by perpetuating toxic gender stereotyped ("most men are raped by other men", which is not true) or in this case by lobbying for laws to be written this way.

[–]TheSpicyIcyWizard 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

what the fuck

[–]JustJamie- 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women falsely accuse men so what's the difference.

[–]FortntieFan248 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I hope that teacher rots in hell

[–]polemicsauce 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

My friend has been assaulted on numerous occasions (he's a really good looking dude). He doesn't have the emotional vocabulary to consider it to be assault or rape.

Men are conditioned to think of unwanted sexual contact from women as a compliment.

[–]DubsPackage 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Uh, believe men?

[–]SchwingySchwangy69 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's almost as if feminists are in a movement for their own gain, disguising it as a movement for gender equality.

Crazy right? Who'd have thought?

[–]Alarming_Draw 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fucking hell-that is a genius point I'd not considered. A debate ender right there.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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