"If rape laws were gender neutral then men would falsely accuse women of rape" -- a discussion I had with a feminist.

Oncefa2 · 2020-09-02T13:14:42+00:00

Just yesterday it came out that a 33 year old school teacher was raping her students and threatening them with false allegations if they spoke up.

This is an all too common experience for men who are often abused by women and silenced for this reason.

'She said "what are you gonna do? I’ll start screaming rape and you’re up in court tomorrow, do you think they’ll believe anything you’ve got to say?’’'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8685811/Married-33-year-old-teachers-secret-sex-schoolboy-15.html

http://wp.lancs.ac.uk/forced-to-penetrate-cases/files/2019/07/BA-FTP-project-report-2019.pdf

And then there was the Amber Heard debacle:

"You can please tell people that it was a fair fight, and see what the jury and judge thinks. Tell the world Johnny, tell them Johnny Depp, I Johnny Depp, a man, I'm a victim too of domestic violence."

...

"Nobody will believe you. So you better do what I want. "

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7966723/amp/Amber-Heard-ridicules-Johnny-Depp-claiming-hes-domestic-violence-victim.html

And yet they think it's primarily an issue the other way around.

To the point that they don't even think it should be legal for a man to accuse a woman of rape at all.

So much for gender equality.

Dunkolunko · 2020-09-02T13:55:31+00:00

Gee! Imagine being concerned about false allegations! We men wouldn't know about that!

GltyUntlPrvnInncnt · 2020-09-02T14:07:42+00:00

Oh, the horror of gender neutral rape laws! Women all over the world would have to worry about men falsely accusing them!

Good thing men don't have to worry about that...oh,wait...

ElectraUnderTheSea · 2020-09-02T14:46:06+00:00

Aren't feminist always saying that false rape accusations are a huge minority of cases anyway? And that is worth having stricter laws so you catch as many rapists possible even if a handful of men get wrongly convicted? Tell her exactly that.

And very telling that her thought jumps immediately to false accusations...

ninja_deli · 2020-09-02T16:28:59+00:00

So men falsely accusing women of rape is a problem and should be avoided. Women falsely accusing men of rape shouldn't be an issue for men because it's such a "small number?" WTF...

InformalCriticism · 2020-09-02T21:36:16+00:00

As a man, I've been raped and sexually assaulted by women, sometimes even to the letter of the law, but no law enforcement agency, prosecutor, or judge would ever honor the facts.

Getting woken up with blow jobs, being lied to about birth control, these are the double standards that are dismantling western civilization.

2020-09-02T18:22:46+00:00

There isn't a facepalm big enough in the world for this.

Facepalm napalm perhaps?

2020-09-02T15:45:31+00:00

I have posted this here a few times but I guess I will say it again:

Feminism has never been about equality, only leverage/power over others.

Edit: don't up vote this

2020-09-02T21:43:04+00:00

It’s no secret feminist don’t want gender neutral rape and domestic violence laws because

1.) Feminists have done everything in their power to push out biases studies and use victim complex logic to change policies, laws and even argue in courts to make sure men aren’t seen as victims and women aren’t seen as dangerous, abusive or violent. Kate P. Moss is a great example of this. She argued male victims shouldn’t be treated the same as female rape victims and her “1 in 5 women” study used vague questions and the researchers picked who was and wasn’t a victim (Not actually asking the women involved) to paint the victim narrative and made it a “Man evil, woman victim” that’s constantly repeated by feminists (Even though 70% of women involved in the study spoke out against the study)

2.) If the laws were gender neutral then it would break the feminist narrative that women are the ultimate victims. That’s why when you read unbiased studies that include “Forced to penetrate” and categorize it as rape, the rates of male and female victimization and perpetration becomes almost equal, breaking the whole “95% of rapist are male”. Same with domestic violence.

It would force society to actually treat women like men, which feminist know is like shit and won’t get them the special power or privileges they have now, so they’ll constantly fight in courts and colleges to make sure this narrative remains alive and well and men are painted as evil so they can have all the power and control and get away with shitty behavior and not have to be held as accountable as men.

https://honeybadgerbrigade.com/2019/05/06/feministlogic/

https://honeybadgerbrigade.com/2013/01/30/male-privilege-defining-male-victims-out-of-existence/

https://avoiceformen.com/sexual-politics/manufacturing-female-victimhood-and-marginalizing-vulnerable-men/

RAPEFLUTE2020 · 2020-09-02T19:00:07+00:00

Wait so let me get this right. Woman falsely accusing men of rape is a small problem and a small minority of cases but if men can falsely accuse woman of rape then it's a horrible thing and it's oppressive? Makes perfect sense

putmeincoachkittyplz · 2020-09-02T20:13:13+00:00

Falsely ?

I've had women touch me below the belt several times -- there would be false accusations but there'd probably be way more real ones. Every time a woman has touched me without consent it's been in front of several people and or cameras.

If sexual harassment/assault were taken equally seriously the world would be a better place, and women need to hold eachother accountable just like men need to hold other men accountable for inappropriate behavior.

Savings_Umpire_5002 · 2020-09-02T20:20:41+00:00

The only reason they would have this fear is because they know, they fucking KNOW, women falsely accuse men of rape, a lot more than they would EVER admit. That they say a woman would never make a false accusation with a straight face, then say things like this, is simply a testimony to the fact that these women are so full of shit their eyes are brown.

2020-09-02T16:46:36+00:00

'Falsely accuse women of rape'. When men get accused, they say 'it's only a small number of cases' (it isnt) but when the thought of gender-neutral rape laws is passed, the poor women may get accused of rape.

Feminists are illogical brainlets.

asdf333aza · 2020-09-02T21:24:56+00:00

So they think females are some holier than thou creatures that can't lie and they are the only ones who deserve to be believed. Righttt. See the Salem Witch Trials. Thats all this new movement is. Salem Witch Trials in 2020. Guys being accused left and right and in most cases there is NO EVIDENCE. Guilty until proven innocent. AND even if your are proven innocent, you will always be under suspicion.

We can all pull up NUMEROUS news articles of women lying about rape. Lying about sexual assault and so on. The government won't even consent to standardized paternity test at the time of birth even though we have the technology for it. They don't even want to know how much women lie cause they're fearful of the reality.

Point is women lie. Just like any other groups in power from the past, they're scared the people they have done wrong will one day return the favor and treat them the way they have treated us. They're scared we will do to them, what they are doing to us.

Xvillan · 2020-09-02T17:00:38+00:00

Self-awareness level; 0

mhandanna · 2020-09-02T22:33:15+00:00

You have to understand most feminsits are pro female. This is in contrast to most (but not all) MRAs and men in general who are egalatrian. In my own case, despite being an MRA I dont care about men or mens rights. No the root casue of my mens rights advocacy is because I see issues or inequalities and I want to fix them... a feminist I spoke to on here was saying how feminism was about equality and looks at mens issues... when we got down to it, she said women should get custody even if it is unfair to men as DV risk and shared custody is bad, its just a shame innocent men will suffer but thats what you have to do to protect women etc.... ahhhhh so we get to it now, you are a sexist bigot... I don't care about men getting custody cos they are men, I approach the issue of what is the fairest and best soloution.

2020-09-02T21:33:17+00:00

And they’re right, that is a concern. But theoretically, the legal system will weed out the false allegations. It’s almost like more proof needs to be provided then simply the accuser’s word.

TDG0922 · 2020-09-02T15:07:09+00:00

This is why men eventually end up at MGTOW

Electroverted · 2020-09-02T18:10:35+00:00

It's a power play. Men can't have access to the same weapons.

LateralThinker13 · 2020-09-02T20:12:00+00:00

It's about how feminists are fighting against gender neutral rape laws in Israel because they're afraid men will use those laws to falsely accuse women of sexual assault.

So like women already do to men?

Popsychology · 2020-09-02T21:23:53+00:00

I will have to agree. Rape laws are so unfair that if a man acuses a woman of rape nothing happens and (if its false and you only want money or to fuck that persons life) its not worth it, but if a women does (here in spain) aside of giving the accused 48 hours of preventive jail (without any proof) everyone will hate him even if he is declared not guilty

neveragoodtime · 2020-09-02T23:48:34+00:00

It doesn’t matter if a woman rapes a man and is then charged with rape. All she has to do is say she had alcohol that night and therefore he is guilty of raping her.

Dls95405 · 2020-09-02T18:53:17+00:00

Women are at war with men. They don't give a fuck that millions of us have been divorce-raped, they have evolved NOT to empathize with men. They're proud of it. Fleecing men in divorce court is a financial strategy long before they marry. Uncontrolled hypergamy is crashing western civilization.

Dynged · 2020-09-02T20:04:51+00:00

The mask slippeth.

5c0rp10_191 · 2020-09-02T20:38:51+00:00

Corrupt will see corruption in everyone, these women are well aware that women often make false accusations of rape against men and are afraid of men doing the same to them

point5_ · 2020-09-02T20:47:38+00:00

Rape laws aren’t gender neutral and some women falsely accuse men of rape

2020-09-02T21:09:24+00:00

Damn, maybe we should deincentivize false accusations in general.

2020-09-02T21:09:30+00:00

discussion

with

feminist

Pick one.

DragoonurHD · 2020-09-02T21:14:04+00:00

If a feminist says that, just link them this, http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/1

A woman cannot be sentenced to rape.

MetroidJunkie · 2020-09-02T23:03:03+00:00

Be a real shame if false rape accusations were to become a problem or anything...

MezzaCorux · 2020-09-03T02:15:12+00:00

The sheer lack of self-awareness of some people.

FreeRangedDumpling · 2020-09-03T02:17:57+00:00

The very depressing thing I have come to realize over my years, especiallly whilst in the army. Is that men almost always have pride&respect for ideas/ideals/immaterial things ingrained in them. That's the reason 99.99% of all existing ideals, national ethoses etc where brought into life by men, yes even the ones feminism prides itself on.

Whereas women generally lack that respect and pride for things that are bigger as themselves. That's also why women are such adamant followers of hedonistic lifestyles. They mostly don't care about desecrating symbolic things, as long as they themselves get an advantage.

Not trying to generalize, but like I said this came extremely apparent whilst being in the military. Even there a lot of the gals couldn't or didn't want to wrap their head around the different concepts of symbolism, and were rather trying to either take them down or inbew it with this feminism bs.

That's also why they are so adamant making such a fuss, that men would also do the same thing Because they know they're full of shit, but nowadays somehow the loudest mf wins.

Just my 30 cents.

martellthacool · 2020-09-02T19:35:08+00:00

Feminism is stupid

Mode1961 · 2020-09-02T16:13:51+00:00

We can't have gender-neutral rape laws, RAPE victimhood belongs to women, it's what feminists have been fighting for all these years.

MarsNirgal · 2020-09-02T19:44:10+00:00

Now, this link is from ten years ago. What's the current situation?

Yoramus · 2020-09-03T01:18:05+00:00

This is old news but on a related point...

What the hell is happening with the 'right' in Israel? The Likud is proposing a law against the salary gap, even if it's a myth and even if it's not really an economical rightist position to take. In a rightist government in the middle of a quasi-constitutional crisis they took an exception to the suspension of the parliament just to finalize the law that punishes the clients of the prostitutes.

Now the right had been in power for too long and is consolidating in a worrying way but if the alternative is even worse.... Poor Israel

chocoboat · 2020-09-03T05:10:11+00:00

Playing devil's advocate here for a minute... if rape laws were changed to be gender neutral nothing would change. But if society's values were changed to that the current "listen and believe" standard applied to everyone? Then yes, there would be some assholes who would make false accusations just to ruin someone's life, just because they dislike someone and have the power to harm them.

Did the feminist you were talking to agree that false rape accusations are a legitimate problem and that men are being treated as guilty until proven innocent? And she's just concerned about there being twice as much of that? If that was the case (I wouldn't bet on it, but it's possible) then she is not being ridiculous or opposing equality.

Soul_in_Shadow · 2020-09-03T07:37:22+00:00

I have always taken the stance that what someone thinks another will do will power is indicative of what they would do with power in their place. From that perspective, this argument is rather revealing.

psilorder · 2020-09-03T08:39:24+00:00

Of course. They do believe men getting raped happens rarely if ever, so what would men want with such a law besides being able to falsely accuse women? Possibly to sidetrack from getting accused themselves?

Of course, men are still human and some humans suck, so there would be some men doing it, but that's no reason to deny the greater number. And maybe it would be incentive to have good investigations of rape claims.

Trusting the (alleged) victim should mean an investigation is opened, not that a sentence is passed. If nothing can be proven, that's unfortunately where we have to stop.

Ash_Divine · 2020-09-03T11:54:52+00:00

I can see some of the concerns being valid but in the end they're assuming that men would lie about it and falsely accuse women. Can't the same be said about women? Why are women put on such a pedestal by our society? They're not morally virtuous angels. They're human beings. They can be petty, selfish, ignorant and untruthful. They use the term "believe victims" - I think a more appropriate term should be "listen to victims but verify". In a world of lies and deceit, legally and morally speaking, we should always verify claims. We should give everyone their due process but the witch hunting needs to cease.

Strikester101 · 2020-09-03T16:47:10+00:00

Are you surprised?

MeToo betrayed Tara Reade because it was politically inconvenient for them.

Grave_Heresy · 2020-09-03T18:20:18+00:00

When they said # BelieveAllWomen all women that's literally what they meant. You didn't honestly think that they cared about all victims did you?

WarOfNoise · 2020-09-02T19:39:03+00:00

...wow

TopcodeOriginal1 · 2020-09-02T20:12:13+00:00

There are reasons I want to die sometimes, these are those reasons

Classicpass · 2020-09-03T00:38:46+00:00

Don't you know they're retarded by now?

Matt_the_Alien · 2020-09-03T01:18:18+00:00

I mean yea probably, there’s always a dumbass who abuses the law

robinsRGB · 2020-09-03T07:15:16+00:00

rape laws are gender neutral?

TheSpicyIcyWizard · 2020-09-03T08:11:56+00:00

what the fuck

JustJamie- · 2020-09-03T10:10:35+00:00

Women falsely accuse men so what's the difference.

FortntieFan248 · 2020-09-03T13:18:27+00:00

I hope that teacher rots in hell

polemicsauce · 2020-09-03T20:32:33+00:00

My friend has been assaulted on numerous occasions (he's a really good looking dude). He doesn't have the emotional vocabulary to consider it to be assault or rape.

Men are conditioned to think of unwanted sexual contact from women as a compliment.

DubsPackage · 2020-09-03T21:29:11+00:00

Uh, believe men?

SchwingySchwangy69 · 2020-09-04T08:55:31+00:00

It's almost as if feminists are in a movement for their own gain, disguising it as a movement for gender equality.

Crazy right? Who'd have thought?

Alarming_Draw · 2020-09-08T23:13:18+00:00

Fucking hell-that is a genius point I'd not considered. A debate ender right there.

Title	"If rape laws were gender neutral then men would falsely accuse women of rape" -- a discussion I had with a feminist.
Author	Oncefa2
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Date	September 2, 2020 1:11 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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