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[–][deleted] 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
These statistics thoroughly prove that Male privilege is not only a myth, but a bull shit lie.
[–]ButtRep 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
These statistics are not 100% accurate though.
Look, I'm all for fighting for mens rights, but let keep the conversation calm, reasonable, and completely accurate with our facts.
For example, not 98% of all inmates are male. 49.2% of all US inmates are male and 50.8% are female. In the case of those who are federally incarcerated, 93.3% of those inmates are male and only 6.7% are female.
Regardless, I think these statistics speak more to needing a discussion about how we treat mens mental health and how masculine stereotypes can be detrimental to young boys rather than the legitimacy of male privilege
[–]stinger503 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
49.2% of all US inmates are male and 50.8% are female.
May I ask where this statistic came from?
[–]ButtRep -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Worldatlas.com It's the first result when you google "what percentage of inmates are male". As to where there information is sourced I'm not sure, but they're apparently credible enough to be listed as an approved source of information by Yale.
[–]stinger503 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Those numbers are for total population of the US not total prison inmates.
Women ending up in the prison system is much more unlikely. Only 6.7% of federal incarcerations are women despite the fact that they make up 50.8% of the US population.
[–]ButtRep 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Haha. Well dont I feel silly.
Okay, you're right. Women make up 10.4% of all US incarcerated
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Can you cite your sources?
[–]ButtRep -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
[+]LOKSTED1 points 4 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
97% work place fatality if you count soldier as a job
[–]TheAndredal[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
true
[–]NinjaBullshit 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
dont forget the sexual assault against men. it was very high in the military and in the work place when you have female boss.
[–]Skelopun 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Want me to find the reverse?
[–]superheavytank 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
kek sure
[–]Skelopun 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Female suicide:30.23% (American suicide prevention foundation) Female workplace death:7% (osha) Divorce:70% started by women (psychology today) Custody wins:90%female (census.gov) Women killed in military: 149 total casualties (us center of military readiness Homeless women: 35-40% (various sources)
[–]dleon0430 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah but this all due to toxic masculinity, which feminism is trying to dismantle.
[–]mensmod 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This has been reposted about 10 times in the past few weeks. Please contribute to the other posts rather than starting a new one yet again.
[+]alicefoch -10 points-9 points-8 points 4 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
You guys do realize that male privilege can exist AND these statistics can be true, right? Because 1. No one ever claimed that male privilege means "men have it better in every way" 2. None of these issues are related to to male privilege
If you accept the logic of this tweet, you have to accept the logic of this argument: "Look! In the Third Reich Germans weren't privileged! There was a higher rate of mandatory conscription among them then among any other ethnicities in Germany!" Do you see now how fallacious this argument is? Why is it even necessary to explain this?
[–]eagleeggfry 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
This is actually a great point. But to be fair, it is a bit of false equivalency. The point of the statistics is to prove that men in most ways take on a greater risk rather that be societal or professional. It is counter to a popular, generalized narrative that male privilege is the idea that men have it inherently better in every way in society then women. Not true, but routinely sold as fact. Furthermore, it is in argument with the fact that women want society to be equal but are also unwilling to assume those same risks as males. For example, mandatory military service in the form of the draft. It’s the idea that women only want to be equal on their terms, taking the “good” while leaving the “bad”. Your argument of comparing the complaints expressed in this tweet to nazi Germany is a false equivalency, simply because modern America is not nazi Germany and the use of this example is to derail and cheapen the argument without actually arguing against its main point. I agree, these statistics do not prove that male privilege doesn’t exist, but your argument doesn’t work in disproving that there are problems with the way that modern (fourth wave) feminism constructs narratives about gender roles in both society and the work place.
[–]alicefoch -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I never said modern America is similar to Nazi Germany, that was not my point. My point was the logic of the tweet was fallacious and was a non-sequitur. And I illustrated it by an example of applying that logic in some other scenario, where it leads to obviously idiotic conclusions. If I were to imply that oppression of women in modern America is similar to the oppression of ethnic minorities in nazi Germany, that would indeed be a false equivalence. But I did no such thing. Why do I even have to explain that?
You are indeed correct that my argument doesn't disprove that forth way feminism is not problematic or whatever. It doesn't disprove flat earth or doesn't prove poincare conjecture either, what's your point? I wasn't talking about third way feminism. I was criticizing that specific argument and how it doesn't make sense. My criticism is valid regardless of whether the conclusion of that argument is correct or not. An argument can be invalid but still have a correct conclusion.
[–]eagleeggfry 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Easy my man, I’m not arguing with you there. Your criticism is valid and I agree with you to a point. The issue is the way you framed your argument, and your choice of nazi Germany. It makes people defensive due to that popular narrative I discussed above. When you say nazi Germany, people defunct to thinking you are calling them nazis. I know that’s not what you meant, I obviously either misunderstood you or didn’t effectively convey my opinion. The logic of the tweet is that these are the numbers so that means that men do not always have it better in every way in society. Your point that this is not not what male privilege means and these numbers do not take away from its existence. I pointed out that the tweet is in argument with popular narratives pushed forward by certain groups, not with the actual meanings or real concepts of the term. You don’t need to defend your example, I see what you mean
[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Shut the fuck up with that false equivalence bullshit.
[+]alicefoch -8 points-7 points-6 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
You don't know what "false equivalence" is, buddy.
[–][deleted] -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Good one, bitch.
[–]jameswalker43 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I kind of hear what you’re feelin’. I think though that there is a crucial point to all this, we take online dialogue for granted when actually it is a skill which should be mastered
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What’s your point?
[+]LiquidDreamtime -10 points-9 points-8 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Most of these guys have no interest in being educated about men’s rights, they just want to complain about the patriarchy while claiming it doesn’t exist. They want to maintain their privilege but end all of the downsides that come with it. Their ego is too fragile for the idea that they could improve their lives and the lives of other men if they would only let go of their pride and chauvinism.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lol.
[–]arkym00 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
You say that as if you know the first thing about 90% of the people on this subreddit. Go back to your identity politics and agenda pushing. You may think us "fragile," but we've been thrown into every dangerous situation possible since the dawn of humanity. It has always been MEN, not WOMEN, who have been relied on to sacrifice their lives for society, women, and children whether they liked it or not. And guess what? We're still here. Not exactly what I'd call fragile.
[–]LiquidDreamtime -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Sorry tough guy, I can see you’re triggered. It’s ok, no one here is going to hurt you.
But have you asked WHY men sacrifice their bodies/health? It’s not because women ask them to. It’s because we are socially expected to. Men do have struggles. Men have their own set of challenges that women do not. But many men here fault to understand WHY these challenges exist.
Instead of getting all pissed and defensive as you have just done. Be constructive. Talk about the challenges men face, why they face them, and how we can all advocate for a better future for men.
You can’t cling to history with pride and brag about the sacrifices of men AND complain that men sacrifice. We should work to build a world where the expectation to provide is genderless. Where chivalry and putting the well-being of men below that of women is antiquated.
[–]arkym00 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I will take pride in the sacrifies of men even if I don't agree with the fact that they're expected to and shamed if they don't. Women have made contributions to humanity and society, yes, and that's great. It's great they're able to stand tall and equal to men after so long not being able to. But since at least 2016 (and maybe earlier, but not as severe at least in the US), it has been considered sexist and misogynistic to bring up any male struggle.
This subreddit, among other similar ones, exists to serve as a place where men regardless of background can come together and discuss the issues we face daily as individuals and as a gender. Women have similar places all over the internet and in the real world. The difference is there aren't people going to those places and condemning them for discussing where they may have it worse than men.
Men and women are equal. This doesn't mean both have it perfect, merely that we're equally unequal.
[–]alicefoch 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Forget it, this sub is all about reactionary politics and "womz bad" arguments. These people only use "men rights" as a cover for being antifeminist. It's pretty disgusting, because there are a lot of very sad and very important problems men face. Things like domestic violence or homelessness. But this sub only delegitimizes these issues.
I don’t need a cover to be anti feminist, lol. Homelessness is literally a part of the post you’re talking shit about. Fuck off already?
[–]Phrodo_00 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It’s because we are socially expected to.
And that's because potential partners are attracted to success. I wonder who those partners are...
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97% work place fatality if you count soldier as a job
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