The left seems increasingly hostile towards MRAs, and shows no tolerance for any approach towards gender issues that isn't feminism. This, along with their hypocrisy on abortion, is what turned me from a neutral centrist to a rightist. I am at a loss to understand how MRAs can side with the left, especially considering the left is responsible for most of the persecution we face: Bradley Amendment, College kangaroo courts, VAWA, etc.
I would like to hear from leftist MRAs on why they still adhere to the left.
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It seems like the only issue the Right has where they take a more gender equal position than Feminists is, as you mention, abortion... but in that case it's a step back towards gender equality, so it's not appealing.
The Right might oppose Feminism, but they don't do it out of support for gender equality.
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I'm fine with programs to help disadvantaged people.
If you implemented such a program in a blind/neutral fashion, those who were at the greatest disadvantage (e.g., due to race) would see the greatest benefit, so there is no reason to include such considerations.
So the Left has the right idea and the wrong method. The Right has the wrong idea and so their methods are unimportant (but also seem to be wrong, their only redeeming quality being that they mitigate some of the excesses of the Left).
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Which is a fair argument to be sure to cross check that it's helping to achieve the intended goal.
Then either they are disadvantaged, or disadvantage is being measured incorrectly.
Gynocentrism results in peeople seeing that women are disadvantaged and jumping to help women before bothering to see if men are also disadvantaged.
This is how you have decades of domestic and sexual abuse policy being treated as "Violence Against Women" when there does not appear to be much difference in rates of perpetration or victimisation: it's just that no one bothered to look at it in a gender blind/neutral fashion.
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Presupposing a zero-sum contest, even discriminating on the basis is merit results in favoring some and being against others. The question is a red herring.
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Any program for determining division and distribution of limited resources s discriminatory. Even random sortition, while being completely arbitrary and unbiased, will discriminate in favor of one person and discriminate against ther people.
Meritocracy is discriminatory: it discriminates on the basis of merit.
Figure out why many people think discrimination on the basis of merit is justifiable and see if you can ask a more interesting and challenging question.
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Nope.
The rest of your comment appears to be error-carried-forward, so no response is warranted.
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