LGBTQ community started to speak up about misandry in some subcommittees.

Bara-enthusiast · 2021-11-07T19:07:21+00:00

This is why I hate misandry as a gay man.

I hope more gay men realize they're men and not handbags for mean girls.

ThrowawayGhostGuy1 · 2021-11-07T17:54:20+00:00

Trans men get the biggest red pill when they transition.

xx_DEADND_xx · 2021-11-07T17:51:03+00:00

Thanks for accepting that men have troubles too. We accept any kind of support and will advice on almost anything related to mens rights. Don't mind the comments below who are saying you are not a man it's your choice go on with ot

ZS_1171 · 2021-11-07T17:21:32+00:00

I can almost guarantee feminists will object, but your choice is your choice, they cant do anything to stop you

SamaelET · 2021-11-07T17:59:33+00:00

Hey sorry for the comment below.

What you are telling is interesting. Hope this trend will continue.

FreakTheDangMighty · 2021-11-07T19:16:21+00:00

I've been saying this for years. When I was in middle school, my teacher sent me out of the classroom when I told one of my classmates that men can be abused and raped too. I've been living my life as a transman for about six years at this point. (1 year of medical transition) I don't miss being a woman and having the expectation that I should hate and fear men.

Even in the trans community, there's an extreme push for feminist ideals and a hard push to get rid of masculinity. It's almost as if people want to think that female/feminine is the "correct way". And that male/masculine is "toxic". It's just tiredsome being told that I can't like sports, or want to join the military, or that I can't roast my friends because all that is "toxic". Yet when women do it it's empowering?

Least_Chemical_7022 · 2021-11-07T18:09:05+00:00

I currently take testosterone, and I would really advise not taking it until you're ABSOLUTELY sure. I kinda regret starting to take it honestly. Hormones are powerful, and there's even more consideration when taking T as a woman than as a man. I hope I don't sound condescending. I just have a new found respect for exogenous hormones and don't want people to potentially impulsively jump into using them.

CoolGuySauron · 2021-11-07T20:29:20+00:00

[Warning: this is exclusively my OPINION based on what I see on the internet]

I think women, feminists and transgenders are going to have a clash of some sort in the near future (next 15 years). As more women transition to men or start occupying men dominated fields, they are going to experience the discrimination and hate men are targets of. When that became too much and they cannot call for help from laws and policies to help them without clashing with policies and laws that shields/privileges trans and women, they are going to become enemies.

Transgenders already see women as not representatives of them (we need more trans in sports, positions of power, etc...) and women are already resisting transgenders on female sports (search "Selina Soul" on google). Likewise, modern women are already feeling the effects of feminism on dating (men don't approach women like they used to do, many men fully stopped being chivalrous because it's sexist, men don't date/marry anymore and so on), on workplace (less likely to be hired) and between themselves (lots of women refuse to identify as feminists), and some of them already blames it on feminism.

When that happens, my bet is that the alphabet people are going to win over women. Transgender will either be discriminated like men are (FtM) because it won't be allowed to accept the fact that men are discriminated, or find themselves alone (men won't date them, high suicide rate). Women, being put on the same boat as men, will be discriminated by the alphabet people because "real women" are not the biological ones anymore.

Odd-Box-3578 · 2021-11-07T23:08:02+00:00

I’m a bisexual woman and the LGBT “community” has feminism ingrained in it and LGBT spaces so hyper feminine and feminist. The only sort of masculinity I’ve seen accepted is butch lesbians (Even traditional gender roles are accepted with butch lesbians). I’ve seen the same things.

“You’re dating a man but aren’t you bisexual?”, “Ew! Why would you date a man?! They’re gross perverts!” “I feel so bad for straight women, they have to date men!”

Completely ignoring the abuse and rape rates in the lesbian community, the whole trans conversation being centered on just trans women and non-binary people (Who are predominantly women), and even the history of the LGBT movement putting lesbians before and above gay men and their needs, especially since gay men used to talk about mens issues and the G used to come first before the feminist movement got involved. I’ve even seen lesbians try and make gay men look privileged as “They might be gay but they’re still men!”

Gothrenapp · 2021-11-07T18:50:21+00:00

I'm actually a trans woman and also very big about men's rights. I just don't like bigotry of any kind, and the unfortunate truth is most people want to stay ignorant about the bigotry done to groups they don't like

Odd-Box-3578 · 2021-11-07T20:52:55+00:00

The way feminists treat gay men is peak misandrist feminism.

Feminists love it when men do feminine stuff and wear makeup so they are ALL for Drag Race and throw their money at them. Feminists love supporting feminized men that hate manliness.

Gay men start talking about how gay clubs are safe spaces for gay men and should be for gay men only. Now that's misogyny. Women are entitled to see gay men celebrating femininity just like everyone else! And they are entitled to invade your club and police your sexuality and call you a pervert if you don't follow straight people's codes of consent. Ah, yes. The beauty of it all. To go to a gay club to fuck gay men like gay men fuck each other and have your sexuality policed by straight women and lesbians. Progress!

Worst is so many gay men have become such castrated cucks they will stone you if you dare speak up against this shit. They've become so enamored and enslaved to feminism they've forgotten the LGBT community has been fighting for ourselves for so long.

The fact they allowed a cis woman on Drag Race says it all about the current state of the LGBT community. We've become so "mainstream", the entire point of the queer identity - to be different from the rest - has been lost.

Bryan_Side_Account · 2021-11-07T23:08:59+00:00

I’m about done with unironically misandrist attitudes in the LGBT community.

A bunch of trans men and gay/bi men i know have confessed to being skeptical of feminism (or specific kinds of feminism) in private. Even some bi women are tired of having their attraction to men mocked. Sooner or later we’re going to have a reckoning and realize that LGBT equality is an inherently egalitarian idea, with no place for misandry in the movement.

Cishet women who enter spaces specifically for queer men (drag, Grindr, etc.) really need to understand that their roles in these spaces are limited. That means quit nitpicking the behavior of gay men when you enter gay male spaces. You might not feel immediately “wanted”. It doesn’t mean we literally hate women or whatever. Get over yourself or get out.

HUZNAIN · 2021-11-08T01:17:51+00:00

TransMen are Men and can be under the Men's Rights Advocacy.

Insidious-Sid · 2021-11-07T22:15:02+00:00

Watch this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip7kP_dd6LU

Woman lives as a man for a year.

Listen to what she says about "all that male privilege" at the end.

MinoChan69 · 2021-11-07T22:17:38+00:00

Im a gay man thing is ive always know these issues since I was a kid since I was very self aware

Danube27 · 2021-11-07T19:23:33+00:00

>I've been called misogynistic for dating a man instead of a women.

Lol. Wouldn't most women be misogynistic by that standard?

Have we advanced to the point that you must be a lesbian to be a man hating feminist and nothing but the most radical form of feminism is going to be accepted by these people? To be fair, I find it pretty hard to be a misandrist when guys are so bloody cute. So I can understand why they'd try to get rid of those pesky androsexuals. Only the most pure form of TERF is allowed!

Jokes aside, men's problems can affect all of us whom have men we care about in our lives, from simple compatriots to friends and even boyfriends and husbands. So plenty of reasons to care about men's rights regardless of your gender and sexual orientation.

spacepanthermilk · 2021-11-08T01:06:41+00:00

Good luck with the dysphoria. Remember, liking who you are even if you’re not a normal woman is another choice. Tom boys are great. Either way have fun, just don’t try to police people’s perception of you because that’s impossible and problematic.

HUZNAIN · 2021-11-07T17:56:06+00:00

i am a queer (bigender, trans) MRA.

an example of intersection of queer issues and men's rights is the legislative persecution of male homosexuality (female homosexuality not included in the law) in some countries.

hehimCA · 2021-11-07T23:55:37+00:00

Isn’t there a Gay MRA group? I believe someone posted something about them once — anyone know who that group is? Thanks.

Henry_Blair · 2021-11-08T06:27:16+00:00

Now that we see how difficult it is for a woman to say in a feminist world that she wants to be a man, think of all the young men who are born male, and need to live in a world where being a man is almost a crime - you are born guilty.

I strongly believe that much of the trans phenomenon in boys and young men in the past decade is in fact a persecution phenomenon equivalent to how Jews were persecuted so harshly in medieval Spain that many converted to Christianity just to be accepted as humans - I think that the rise in transitions in males is a mass migration out of a sex due to societal persecution of that sex. I don't argue that all the trans phenomenon is related to feminist chauvinism, sexism and persecution - trans-sexual men existed much before the past two-to-three decades of feminism becoming a fascist-racist movement of anti-male racism. But I would argue that such people are the very small minority today in trans men (born male) and that the vast rise is a simple and familiar phenomenon - persecution and mass conversion to avoid harm as Jews undergone in Spain in the middle ages. If science, medicine and psychology were not under censorship and intimidation as they are we would have seen this discussed by the medical and psychological community - the rise in trans boy and young men (born male) as resulting from feminist persecution of manhood.

And as for the recent rise in trans women (born female), this might be a result of the status trans men received (encouragement from feminists who in a sick and distorted way see the transition as a victory to womanhood and confirmation of female supremacy, "men admit that being a male is bad and that femaleness is better"), which made young girls envy them and want that status and applause from the feminist world for themselves and hence developed a fashion.

To see the Western anti-male chauvinism, notice how it was completely legitimate for a woman to publish a year ago a book saying that this surge in girls that transition is a harmful and offensive phenomenon. What man would be able to publish 5 years ago when the surge was in boys a similar book calling the transition bad out of a view that it's humiliating that a sex wishes to abandon its sex - which is what drove that woman's book. Only for girls the truth can be said - that thousands deserting a sex means something bad is happening. Men were not allowed in our feminist world to write what that woman wrote in her book, and she was respected for it and interviewed all over the world. If a man would have published the same on boys he would be annihilated, boys are not allowed this simple protection - of saying publicly that it's not normal to see a surge a sex-desertion and that society needs to see it as a problem and look for a cause, as it was allowed to be said only about girls and only when the surge arrived to girls. It was amazing to see how when she published the book, boys were not even mentioned in it - as if, if this is a problem, to see thousands transition, then it's a problem only when happening to the supreme sex - girls, and the same in boys is completely natural. She did not discuss the transitioning boys at all. In fact, the entire decade that transition went up exponentially in boys and young men, no one dared write that a mass transition might be an indication for something bad happening to them. And when society discussed her book, it was just as amazing to see none of the journalists asking her if it's also bad in boys or mentioning at all that the surge is first and foremost in boys and male teens - this is normal - only self-mutilation in the supreme sex into the inferior sex is out of the ordinary.

DefiantDepth8932 · 2021-11-08T16:42:13+00:00

The people who preach intersectionality are extremey dishonest when it comes to gay/bi men. According to them, gay men are the privileged class of the LGBTQ+ community because they still have male privilege. This is about the most fucking dumbass thing I've ever heard. At my school, so many girls were bi or lesbian... noone ever gave a fuck but I was always made fun of and called gay, every one laughed at me for being kinda fruity. Gay men are by far the biggest victims of hate crimes. Gays were killed during in the holocaust.. but please go ahead and tell me why gay and bi men are the privileged ones of the LGBT community. Fuck intersectional feminists

Neveah_Hope_Dreams · 2021-11-07T20:22:30+00:00

I'm so sorry for the bullying, harassment and hate you are getting from these pathetic excuses of human beings. You should have the absolute right to transition if it makes you feel comfortable and more like your gender identity. Do not let these misandristic losers scare you.

I hope that awareness of Men's Rights issues will rise and become more noted in the community.

NoAimMassacre · 2021-11-07T20:10:25+00:00

I mean, LGBTQ people usually have issues with men as well. Especially if youre straight.

SavannahOolala · 2021-11-08T00:24:07+00:00

THIS X100000000!

I was listening to a podcast where the hosts talked shit about International Men's Day. I responded by asking what this says to transmen who are transitioning into masculinity. When we treat men like shit, we show transmen that they are not safe if they transition. Their mental health is not the best among the member of the LGBTQIA+ so why do we make it hard for them?

When I was a child, I hated my masculine identity and believed that I had to be a girl just so that I would be accepted by society. I did my best to remove any trace of masculinity in me. I still struggle with this as an adult. I still act feminine because I'm at least respected by women since men already don't respect me because of my sexuality.

alclarkey · 2021-11-08T00:53:35+00:00

Only in the deluded zero sum mind of a radical feminist can loving a man be the same as hating women.

TrilIias · 2021-11-08T01:28:42+00:00

I'm a gay MRA. I've talked before about how learning more about feminism and beginning to oppose it and reject it's messaging about men really helped me get over much of my internalized homophobia. Before that, I was always trying to distance myself from other boys, and I really didn't want to be a incompetent, gross, useless, bully. I didn't want to be attracted to incompetent, gross, useless, bullies. It wasn't a healthy mindset, and since rejecting feminism I've come to appreciate men and masculinity.

Silencio00 · 2021-11-08T02:31:18+00:00

I think trans men would eventually started realizing about it.

PapaGlozzy · 2021-11-08T04:52:45+00:00

One of the comments in those post said "I often stand by the 'KAM but not transmen' (since transmen are real men)" What the fuck does that even mean lmao

CrowMagpie · 2021-11-07T19:14:26+00:00

"just pretend that I like to be a female."

Given what you've said, I wonder if it'd be better for you to, instead of pretending to like being female; learn to like being female. You've probably been told all your life that being female will make you a victim, and on an unconscious level you've learned to hate being female; but you already know the grass is not greener on the other side. So, can you overcome conditioning and learn to embrace your current physical status?

Is that even possible, though?

Chads_bulge · 2021-11-07T23:08:27+00:00

Good. Maybe fewer people will r/walkaway if people actually start aknowledging the internal issues aswel

YesAmAThrowaway · 2021-11-08T05:55:55+00:00

I think you'll find comfort in r/truscum

It's a trans community but they're tired of uwu cutesy treegender bs and they're aware men have issues too.

SmittyPosts · 2021-11-08T01:04:57+00:00

Uh dumb question but what is a TERF?

AliLePerson · 2021-11-08T05:16:49+00:00

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Smuggred · 2021-11-08T05:48:13+00:00

move to canada, America is a mess with gender hate

ShwarmaMusic · 2021-11-08T06:16:46+00:00

I'm not super educated on the topic, but does misandry even apply to trans men?

reddut_gang · 2021-11-17T03:30:05+00:00

Didn't put that in bingo card

Key_Outlandishness10 · 2021-11-08T03:37:43+00:00

I remember it being LGB. When did they add the T and Q? They should just name it EESWM (Everybody Except Straight White Men) and get it over with.

GreatGrizzly · 2021-11-08T05:59:03+00:00

I don't recommend you transitioning to a man due to how poorly men get treated.

That being said, you can be any gender you feel comfortable with being. /r/MensRights and I will support you regardless of your gender.

SapperChimo · 2021-11-08T00:00:10+00:00

She only realized Men don't have anywhere near the same privileges as woman after she nearly became one. Then she decided not to become a Man. Smart move and very telling of how tough and heartless life as a Man can be.

Reddit_Sux_Hardcore · 2021-11-08T00:00:25+00:00

But because of modern western Feminism and morality of it, I am afraid to take Testosterone and transition to ma

You can never become a man. All you're attempting to do is appease the abnormality that you feel. Until we can learn to deal with this in a scientific fashion, perhaps the best bet is to accept who you are and live your life best as you can.

nathanaelkitten · 2021-11-07T21:28:07+00:00

I don't believe in the trans ideology so I think "transitioning" as you call it is absurd, that being said, not doing something because someones bullies you into not doing it is not a good reason.

AliLePerson · 2021-11-07T17:26:10+00:00

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czerdec · 2021-11-08T11:41:03+00:00

USE ARCHIVE SITES PEOPLE!

Some of us don't want to fill Zuckerberg's pocket with every click

Title	LGBTQ community started to speak up about misandry in some subcommittees.
Author	AliLePerson
Upvotes	954
Comments	261
Date	November 7, 2021 5:06 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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You definetly should.