Once again, people need to be aware of how communism is to be pushed in the USA. Government + business control taking away the prosperity of individuals
I am very aware of history. You are obviously not aware of history nor current events. End game is government control, as it has been throughout history.
It's generic SJW-circlejerk-bitching. Part of the reason people don't take MRAs seriously is shit like this, where there's a topic of discussion and people feel the need to bring up other, outside MRA points. The jump from "Look at these idiots thinking that MensRights is a hate sub" to "They want to make sure we all have circumcisions and non-nuclear families" just makes people feel good because they're fighting big bad feminism by being as pathetic as the idiots they hate
I believe that the only thing wrong with it is its consistency. Core feminism espouses equality among everyone. But a lot of more extreme feminists (like the feminist-hating people here) seem to feel that that shouldn't include men, thus diluting the meaning.
That, and the term feminism is by its nature sexist. We already have a term for equality: egalitarianism.
I honestly wonder if this isn't one of the non-political areas where Russian meddling is being done as part of that whole "disrupt society" plan.
You can only get so much mileage out of politics...but you can extend your audience by making it about feminism and mens rights, and creating more division there.
Feminism acknowledges the patriarchy's harm on society, not just women. The patriarchy harms the perception and expectations of men just as badly as it affects the treatment and expectations of women
Definitely. People like to use examples of bad feminists or misandry in media to represent feminism. But the whole point of feminism is to deconstruct the idea that men or women have to behave or be treated a certain way
I agree, you know? Like I know feminism isn't 100% perfect and that plenty of feminists have pushed harmful ideas wrongly into the mainstream. I'm not defending that. I just think men's rights should acknowledge that sometimes the ideas feminism/women push are valid, which is not all the time
How am I a hypocrite? I opened my first comment defending men's rights, saying I believe that they have grounds for their belief even though there's a lot of muck in this sub.
I'm not judging this sub. I am simply trying to explain why it's viewed negatively. Compare the top posts and comments of TwoX with this one and notice how negative roots fuel the content here. Which is unfortunate, because I know there are men in this sub genuinely trying to make a positive change, it's just not what ends up getting discussed here in the majority.
I'm much too tired and uninformed on some of what you said to form a worthy response to your other comment. And you're right men's rights is in its infancy. I just hope it grows alongside feminism instead of on top of it
I mean, I don't support that. I dont see why any normal person would support an anti-abuse organization that leaves people out. That's not the feminism I signed up for or agree with so I don't know what to tell you, I could link plenty of crappy examples of men leaving women out of stuff too I'm sure. It says in the Wiki that it's a flawed program. You can't just take a flawed example and say it represents a movement
As a feminist I definitely don't think "men's rights subs" are hate subs. I want you to know that the majority of feminists would agree. There is bad content that degrades the male image from bad feminists, but there is also content that degrades feminist message on "men's right subs". That's probably what they were trying to say.
It's tough because I want men's rights to feel heard. Men should feel free to be people and not ideas of "how men should be". but there are a lot of men's rights activists whose sole mission is to denounce feminism, which is kind of the whole problem in the first place :/ if your subs would erase that behavior and work on constructive content I think you would be viewed less negatively
After talking to a number of Australian feminists, some of them friends, it seems to me like MRA's are just generally reviled. No idea who you're talking to, because from my contact, I have to seriously doubt "the majority of feminists" are in any way on our side.
Yeah I guess that's what I mean. I definitely think this sub has grounds to exist. I just think a lot of popular discussion turns into "see?? Women are bad too!!!" (Like r/pussypassdenied) Instead of a healthy men's rights forum that works to construct a better view/representation of the male population
Of course I do. I don't think women are victims or excusable or anything like that. I just think you lot spend your time talking about bad women more than you talk about men's rights
Cite me some popular posts from Two-X that aren't community/advice-based or citing world news that benefit the health and happiness of women. Feminism wants to erase a world where little girls are married off to adults and killed for rejecting dates. I don't know what's wrong with a movement that want to protect us, and help create a world where our cries for help aren't seen as attacks on men. Sometimes, men hurt women really badly. Sometimes, women hurt men really badly. I don't know what else to say here, I started commenting in this thread to help MRA's see that feminists aren't men-hating demons but you aren't listening so have a nice day
I empathize a lot with some of the core issues that the MRA movement deals with ( opposition to conscription, divorce law bias, male suicide rates, male shelters, double standards etc )
But there's a lot of men with shitty, aggressive political and discriminatory opinions that are making the movement a quagmire. Reminds me a lot of the modern day feminism that we have so many issues with.
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Can we do that? Just to see how it pans out? I mean we're all African technically.
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A strong family unit is detrimental to communism
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these companies are run by elites that want to weaken us to make the take over easier. more and more rights are taken away
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Once again, people need to be aware of how communism is to be pushed in the USA. Government + business control taking away the prosperity of individuals
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I am very aware of history. You are obviously not aware of history nor current events. End game is government control, as it has been throughout history.
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It's generic SJW-circlejerk-bitching. Part of the reason people don't take MRAs seriously is shit like this, where there's a topic of discussion and people feel the need to bring up other, outside MRA points. The jump from "Look at these idiots thinking that MensRights is a hate sub" to "They want to make sure we all have circumcisions and non-nuclear families" just makes people feel good because they're fighting big bad feminism by being as pathetic as the idiots they hate
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You said that you want to mutilate your infant child.
What the FUCK did you expect the reaction to be?
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I do not enjoy having been mutilated without my consent...
Nobody will forbid you doing it on your own volition.
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I believe that the only thing wrong with it is its consistency. Core feminism espouses equality among everyone. But a lot of more extreme feminists (like the feminist-hating people here) seem to feel that that shouldn't include men, thus diluting the meaning.
That, and the term feminism is by its nature sexist. We already have a term for equality: egalitarianism.
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Like the libertarian party, can’t get along with anyone not even themselves.
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I honestly wonder if this isn't one of the non-political areas where Russian meddling is being done as part of that whole "disrupt society" plan.
You can only get so much mileage out of politics...but you can extend your audience by making it about feminism and mens rights, and creating more division there.
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How about r/againstmensrights ? Isn't that a hatesub?
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The crazy thing is that if this sub was called "blackmensrights" we would all be honorable, and great people.
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It's ok to be male.
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Feminism acknowledges the patriarchy's harm on society, not just women. The patriarchy harms the perception and expectations of men just as badly as it affects the treatment and expectations of women
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Definitely. People like to use examples of bad feminists or misandry in media to represent feminism. But the whole point of feminism is to deconstruct the idea that men or women have to behave or be treated a certain way
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I agree, you know? Like I know feminism isn't 100% perfect and that plenty of feminists have pushed harmful ideas wrongly into the mainstream. I'm not defending that. I just think men's rights should acknowledge that sometimes the ideas feminism/women push are valid, which is not all the time
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How am I a hypocrite? I opened my first comment defending men's rights, saying I believe that they have grounds for their belief even though there's a lot of muck in this sub.
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I'm not judging this sub. I am simply trying to explain why it's viewed negatively. Compare the top posts and comments of TwoX with this one and notice how negative roots fuel the content here. Which is unfortunate, because I know there are men in this sub genuinely trying to make a positive change, it's just not what ends up getting discussed here in the majority.
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I'm much too tired and uninformed on some of what you said to form a worthy response to your other comment. And you're right men's rights is in its infancy. I just hope it grows alongside feminism instead of on top of it
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I mean, I don't support that. I dont see why any normal person would support an anti-abuse organization that leaves people out. That's not the feminism I signed up for or agree with so I don't know what to tell you, I could link plenty of crappy examples of men leaving women out of stuff too I'm sure. It says in the Wiki that it's a flawed program. You can't just take a flawed example and say it represents a movement
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Yeah, you're an asshole who's just trying to provoke people. Congratulations on succeeding? That's not how you have a conversation.
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As a feminist I definitely don't think "men's rights subs" are hate subs. I want you to know that the majority of feminists would agree. There is bad content that degrades the male image from bad feminists, but there is also content that degrades feminist message on "men's right subs". That's probably what they were trying to say.
It's tough because I want men's rights to feel heard. Men should feel free to be people and not ideas of "how men should be". but there are a lot of men's rights activists whose sole mission is to denounce feminism, which is kind of the whole problem in the first place :/ if your subs would erase that behavior and work on constructive content I think you would be viewed less negatively
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After talking to a number of Australian feminists, some of them friends, it seems to me like MRA's are just generally reviled. No idea who you're talking to, because from my contact, I have to seriously doubt "the majority of feminists" are in any way on our side.
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I agree. Feminism can and has hurt men, it's ok to criticize it. So there ya go
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Yeah I guess that's what I mean. I definitely think this sub has grounds to exist. I just think a lot of popular discussion turns into "see?? Women are bad too!!!" (Like r/pussypassdenied) Instead of a healthy men's rights forum that works to construct a better view/representation of the male population
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Of course I do. I don't think women are victims or excusable or anything like that. I just think you lot spend your time talking about bad women more than you talk about men's rights
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Cite me some popular posts from Two-X that aren't community/advice-based or citing world news that benefit the health and happiness of women. Feminism wants to erase a world where little girls are married off to adults and killed for rejecting dates. I don't know what's wrong with a movement that want to protect us, and help create a world where our cries for help aren't seen as attacks on men. Sometimes, men hurt women really badly. Sometimes, women hurt men really badly. I don't know what else to say here, I started commenting in this thread to help MRA's see that feminists aren't men-hating demons but you aren't listening so have a nice day
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I empathize a lot with some of the core issues that the MRA movement deals with ( opposition to conscription, divorce law bias, male suicide rates, male shelters, double standards etc )
But there's a lot of men with shitty, aggressive political and discriminatory opinions that are making the movement a quagmire. Reminds me a lot of the modern day feminism that we have so many issues with.
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