Male sexuality it innocent.

Parzival_007 · 2021-12-25T13:39:17+00:00

It's only shameful if the woman deems it. If you are not good looking, staring is "creepy". If you are handsome, it's perfectly okay.

red_cray · 2021-12-25T17:08:04+00:00

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vague_obscenity · 2021-12-25T16:15:05+00:00

I also believe that male sexuality is innocent.

I grew up with the impression that looking at female bodies in a sexual way was a bad thing to do because it is objectification.

My experience has been more positive. I was born in 1985 and I grew up with the impression that looking at female bodies in a sexual way was a normal thing to do.

The first shows I ever watched on TV besides Sesame Street, Mr. Rogers, and cartoons, were shows from 60s, 70s, and 80s my parents watched. Knight Rider, A-Team, Bewitched, Giligan's Island, Fantasy Island, Murder She Wrote, Hart to Hart... Men were men, women were women. People led adult lives and men desiring women was seen as a normal, healthy thing.

This was pre-Internet, pre-SJW, pre-politcal correctness. Growing up in the 90s was great. Back then, magazines had ads for lingerie, JcPenney or Sears had something like "Let him unwrap the best gift this Christmas." Can you imagine if that ad ran today? Oh the horror! Angry feminists on Twitter would go reeeee and demand people boycott the company.

I never felt like a predator or pervert growing up. Shy and awkward yes. But immoral for being a man, no. Things were still relatively normal in college in the early-mid 2000s. Freshman year I remember some guys whistling at a girl in a lecture hall and she smiled and winked at them.

Everything went to shit around 2006, when Twitter was founded. The far left lunatics and feminazis finally had a way to reach a wider audience. I think the toxic masculinity bullshit narrative really became mainstream around 2010.

I genuinely feel bad for boys growing up today. Some (lots?) young men however seem to buy into the feminist narrative. It's like signing up for their own castration and lobotomy. What's worse, these simps betray to their fellow men in order to gain favor with women.

Some women shame men they deem to be low status. These women are toxic and immature. I would say this becomes more and more prevalent with new generation, and that Gen Z is probably the worst so far. Feminists have been poisoning womens' minds for years. Many women are good and older women tend to be respect men the most.

reaper88911 · 2021-12-25T20:12:26+00:00

Prime example..

Half naked women on a calendar VS Half naked male firefighters on a calendar..

YesAmAThrowaway · 2021-12-25T17:56:23+00:00

It's also a double standard. Women talking sexually about men and staring at them is very commonplace and rarely spoken against.

There is a distinct difference between looking at somebody attractive to check them out and flat out staring at people (though in some cultures everybody just stares at random people, but that too is a different thing), the latter of which is not appropriate.

Becoming aware of and interested in somebody's presence is, as you said, perfectly normal. I also argue it's inevitable, and actual staring is a rarity in my experience and those people get thrown out when reported. My sister also has stories of visual and physical unwanted advances of inappropriate nature, but informing staff of a locality has always fixed the problem. She too has noticed that this protection wears thin for her male friends that have made bad experiences of their own.

philhalo66 · 2021-12-25T17:58:55+00:00

women do it too. a good example is the article from some "journalist" website shaming men for the male gaze then they have one rating the best male bodies or bulges i forget which.

dath_bane · 2021-12-25T23:26:55+00:00

I lived for some time with homosexual roommates: Gay sexuality (and often their relationship life) is so positive and wholesome! Sure, you'll find everywhere some ppl that are terrible. sometimes ppl get used. But it's so refreshing to see male sexuality that isn't demonized.

MarBitt · 2021-12-25T18:06:12+00:00

I grew up with the impression that looking at female bodies in a sexual way was a bad thing to do because it is objectification.

I now think that looking at women's bodies in a sexual way is perfectly innocent. It's a natural human behaviour. Heterosexual and bisexual men are biologically programmed to find looking at attractive women pleasurable. There's nothing wrong with it.

The demonisation of male sexuality is a form of abuse perpetuated on men and boys to make them feel ashamed of completely natural and healthy sexual behaviour.

You can see why this is the case if you flip the genders. There is nothing wrong with women finding men pleasurable to look at, it's natural, healthy, and innocent.

I agree with this part.

tragedyfish · 2021-12-25T23:13:34+00:00

People only like being objectified by the people they objectify.

evillog666 · 2021-12-25T23:48:27+00:00

I would also like to add that this demonization doesn't apply to just heterosexual and bisexual men, but gay men as well or possibly even more so. Male homosexuality is significantly more demonized by the traditionalists than female homosexuality by magnitudes. The feminists somehow fail to work that in to their supposed "liberation" philosophy

MarBitt · 2021-12-25T18:31:05+00:00

Sex shame is used as a tool of power, but not directly by women to men or men to women. Even slut-shaming is often run also by women against women.

In general, when a man looked at a woman sexually, it always aroused jealousy and led to criticism in order to evoke a feeling of shame. But in the past, only a woman was the target - too defiant, exposed, devilish seductress.

Nowadays and in the West, it is no longer so acceptable to openly criticize women for their sexual appeal. Criticism has shifted more to men. Instead of covering the female body, there is covering of the male eyes.

Lui_Le_Diamond · 2021-12-25T18:41:43+00:00

I agree, but it's not perpetuated by men nearly as much as it is by feminists.

312Michelle · 2021-12-26T02:16:21+00:00

Here's a must read article debunking the Feminist theory of "sexual objectification":

http://nomoremisandry.blogspot.com/2015/04/debunking-feminist-theory-of-sexual.html

Also, you said:

"I now think that looking at women's bodies in a sexual way is perfectly innocent. It's a natural human behaviour. Heterosexual and bisexual men are biologically programmed to find looking at attractive women pleasurable. There's nothing wrong with it.

The demonisation of male sexuality is a form of abuse perpetuated on men and boys to make them feel ashamed of completely natural and healthy sexual behaviour.

You can see why this is the case if you flip the genders. There is nothing wrong with women finding men pleasurable to look at, it's natural, healthy, and innocent."

I'm an Egalitarian anti-Feminist woman, but I gotta tell you, in fact, this is false and you are wrong on this one. It's not only male sexuality that's treated like this, it's not only males who are shamed for finding the opposite sex pleasurable to look at. It's ALL sexuality (male sexuality and female sexuality) being treated like this by crazy sex-negative people. Females too are made to feel ashamed of completely natural and healthy sexual behavior and their female sexuality and their taking an interest in the opposite sex is also demonized. If radical Right people catch their teenage daughter or some teenage girl checking out boys, they lock her up in her bedroom 24/7 and homeschool her to make sure she never interact with boys for fear that she's going to kiss a boy or have sex with a boy or do anything sexual or have any kind of sexuality at all.

And they take measure to make sure that she can never masturbate and that if she does masturbate she'll get caught and be punished for it. A lot of girls, where pretty much locked away for years by the radical Right for having a natural and healthy sexual urges and taking an interest in the opposite sex and/or in the same sex, they would take drastic measures to make sure that girls could not interact with boys and that any girl caught with a boy would be punished and if a girl became assertive and demanded her right to date people of the opposite sex and have a sexuality, they would punish her by either beating her or sending her to a nunnery.

And if said radical Right people are Theists, this girl who was caught checking out boys and then locked up and homeschooled will be told that all sex is "sinful", "of Satan", "evil", "demonic", etc, and that if she so much as has a premarital sexual thought/fantasy God will put her in a burning torture chamber (the doctrine of hell and eternal torment is not even found in the original languages of the bible, that is hebrew and greek, the jews didn't believe or teach anything about a torture chamber in the afterlife, and the first century Christians didn't believe or teach that either, it was Augustine who took that pagan doctrine and mixed it with Christianity in an attempt to compromise with the pagans to keep them in the "churches", our Creator is not a monster who put His created children in a fucking torture chamber and thank God that millions of Christians today reject the doctrine of hell and eternal torment because thanks to the age of the Internet, they know that no honest scholar and linguist would support this false doctrine and that there's overwhelming evidence that the original languages of the bible don't teach this awful doctrine).

She will also be told that females are temptresses who are out to seduce and lure men into the "sin of sexuality" or "sexual sins". They will tell her that female sexuality and female masturbation summons demons and will cause the downfall of mankind. The Conservaturds certainly don't seem to think that females looking at males' bodies in a sexual way is innocent and natural.

continued in my next post because of character limit...

RusticSurge10 · 2021-12-25T17:04:17+00:00

I don't know if I agree with this post. or maybe I got it wrong. can you explain op?

TrilIias · 2021-12-26T19:33:14+00:00

I'm gay and I very often feel very fortunate that I get to escape so much of the shaming and vilification that people do to straight and bisexual men. People act like only us gays have it rough, and while I've certainly heard some unpleasant things said (even by close friends) about gay people, it has almost always been when I wasn't yet out to them and they didn't think they were insulting anyone to their face. That doesn't justify it, but it's very different then how most people treat straight men. I come across as straight, so I know people will actually criticize male heterosexuality right in front of straight guys or even to their faces. I've had an entire social movement encouraging me to embrace my sexuality and recognizing the harm caused by social shaming of a healthy and natural part of my humanity, but I'm worried for straight men who haven't had that.

raptorboss231 · 2021-12-25T18:59:16+00:00

I mean big breasts are meant to naturally attract men and thats pure biological facts, same with other body parts of males and females. Bigger is often seen as better for humans

FinallyReborn · 2021-12-25T16:05:55+00:00

You can see why this is the case if you flip the genders. There is nothing wrong with women finding men pleasurable to look at, it's natural, healthy, and innocent.

Sure, but they don't. Looking at somebody with pure lust is a foreign concept to women, so A: they don't like it when men do it, why would you want something (or somebody) to desire something from you when you do not desire it back, and B: it creates a dichotomy of sexual power between the sexes, increasing simpery, increasing chivalry, all the while women can just treat men like worthless swine's, completely take advantage of them financially and physically in every parameter of life, just using sex as a bargaining chip because men actually desire it, while men are okay with it because their sexuality completely overrides the potential of an objective interpretation of the situation.

Male sexuality creates female privilege, male inequality and misandry. How to fix this? I don't know, release sex-drive reducing drugs, suppress male sexuality until it fizzles out. Or eventually women will abstain from sex entirely to the point that men just give up on trying to obtain it, this is the most likely, women are no longer needing men for financial and protective reason's due to societal evolution, either this will cause men to offer even more to women in exchange for sex, or it will lead to an abundance of male loneliness (both are inevitable, and both are currently happening). It is true, stupid, but unfortunately inevitable.

312Michelle · 2021-12-26T02:21:09+00:00

... continued from my previous post because of character limit...

This is just a few examples of how female sexuality and interest in the opposite sex is shamed and demonized (and this is just a few examples):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXDEn9qmNBc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UakGzeDTBtk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z9S1x0O8Ns

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l_V5cUva4M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgi2e6s-yRE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fp30SHO-ebg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtrX6VZ-2y8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gkuGlOY7X8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7_ROcQm0wk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_lfgcHOYZc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_Fkb4gJ_Fw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0hftd5B_Io

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW6CEGFsIX0

"You're wrong, you're defective, and here's only one thing that can save you" which is where one tells the Fundies (Rught-Wing FundaMENTALists) to shove off, by both Atheists and progressive Christians, because it is a direct and personal insult.

And what's the radical Right's obsession with female masturbation? They shame men who masturbate, but they shame women far more than men, and you can see this every time they emphasize that "FEMALE masturbation is a gateway to demonic spirits". The problem with the fucking radical Right is that if something offends them or it causes them shame (normal and natural things like masturbation, sex, or interest in the opposite sex or the same sex), nobody else is allowed to do it. Well as the old saying go, "Saying that someone can't do something because of your religion is like saying you can't eat a cookie because I'm on a diet."Also, I would imagine that the "sexual anarchy" that Charlie Kirk is talking about would mean that the government does not interfere with our sex lives. If so, then guilty as charged I guess? I don't want the government telling people who they can or can not have sex with (people should be free to have sex with any person orf any gender, as long as it's between two consenting adults it's none of your business) and what sexual practice they can and cannot do (some of the radical Right-Wingers tried to outlaw oral sex, anal sex, sex toys, and anything that isn't penis in vagina sex, I swear they want to be the fucking bedroom police). Especially if fundamentalist homophobes want to coerce gays and lesbians into mixed orientation marriages.

Because I will fight tooth and nail to preserve people's freedoms and liberties, including the important 1st amendment (freedom of speech, freedom of choice, freedom of the press, separation of "church" and state, freedom of/from religion, etc), the constitution is the only thing that will protect you from radical Right FundaMENTALists writing their beliefs and interpretation of the bible into law and forcing them on everyone else. It's also the one thing that's stopping the radical Right from bringing back the Dark Ages to where they can torture, jail, kill and burn at the stake every single person who doesn't convert to Right-Wing FundaMENTAList ideology and anyone who so much as question or disagree with anything they say.

The radical right want to imprison and/or kill progressive Christians, Center-Left Christians, pagans, Atheists, assertive women, LGBT people, anyone who isn't a member of their cult, anyone who doesn't live by their crazy Conservative cult's teachings. That's what they want. And they claim that separation of "church" and state is a lie or isn't a thing and that they should have the right to force their beliefs on everyone else and that nasty piece of garbage Ann Coulter said that the U.S.A should be allowed to kill middle-easterns who don't convert to Christianity. That's the radical Right. That's what the Conservatives do.

So yeah, It's not only male sexuality that's treated like this, it's not only males who are shamed for finding the opposite sex pleasurable to look at. It's ALL sexuality (male sexuality and female sexuality) being treated like this by crazy sex-negative men and women who shame and humiliate people of both genders for thinking or doing anything sexual.I always expose the radicals in all parties and hold them accountable (I don't care if they are Conservative, Liberal, Republican, Democrat, I don't care, I can't stand radicals and I expose them and hold them accountable no matter the party) and I'm quite proud of being non-partisan or independent, I don't have a political affiliation and I don't want one. I can't stand radicals no matter the party. I can't stand those bullshit partisanship games, I can't stand partisan hacks and corporate whores either.

I fucking despise radicals in BOTH parties (the Right-Wing FundaMENTALists of the Far-Right and the SJW FemiNAZIS of the Far-Left) and radicalism is cancer on society. I'm one of the countless people who have had it with the hateful, intolerant, bigoted idiots in BOTH parties.

BOTH the Far-Right and the Far-Left are toxic, harmful, destructive and cancer on society. That's why I expose BOTH because BOTH need to be called out on their bullshit, bigotry, insanity, hypocrisy and double standards. I'm Center-Left and Progressive in my values but for the most part I'm NON-PARTISAN OR INDEPENDENT and I'm fed up with the RADICALS/LOONIES in BOTH parties (the Right-Wing FundaMENTALists of the Far-Right and the SJW FemiNAZIS of the Far-Left).

I'm Center-Left, a survivor of Right-Wing FundaMENTAList ideology, a Progressive Christian (I've been a Progressive for over 10 years now), an Egalitarian Anti-Feminist, an advocate for the philosophy of nonviolence and restorative justice (also I find MLK Jr. and Gandhi to be quite inspiring), and bisexual, and I don't apologize for any of it, in fact I'm proud of what I am and what I stand for. Also, I'm the aunt of two young boys age 8 and 6. And I love shows like Secular Talk (with Kyle Kulinski), The Ring of Fire (with Farron Cousin) and The Humanist Report (with Mike Figueredo). Like most if not all Progressive Christians, I support separation of "church" and state, freedom of/from religion, and anti-discrimination laws for LGBT people and Atheists/non-religious people.

ManofGod1000 · 2021-12-25T13:22:22+00:00

You had me in the beginning but you lost me in the end.

ShiZniT3 · 2021-12-25T22:50:13+00:00

reminds me of a gay dude i knew, he still loved tits. Patrice Oneal had a philosophical statement about females that claim they are just for feeding babies, then why do females grow them before having kids or the ability to lactate? lol

silly girl brains...

omegaphallic · 2021-12-25T17:56:34+00:00

Agreed

SageBus · 2021-12-25T18:11:05+00:00

This is all very innocent until some asshole gawks for hours and makes someone you love uncomfortable. It's ok to peek and to check out, but creeping someone out is not ok, doens't matter if it's a woman or a man. Yes , we all like having the attention of someone you like. No , this doesn't make women horrible people for liking to have attention from someone they like. Nobody owes you attraction, men or women. People miss the point of this sub.

Post-edit: I'm pretty sure this submission in an attempt to have this sub banned as a woman-hating cesspool of incels.

Skinnyguy202 · 2021-12-25T16:05:06+00:00

Women don’t really find pleasure in looking at men though, they more so find pleasure in the connection she has with a man whereas men finds pleasure in looking at women in a sexual way. Men don’t really want or need a emotional connection like women do. (Of course that’s not saying men don’t have emotions though. They most certainly do) and women don’t find physical appearance to be important, as long as you’re a cool guy

travis722 · 2021-12-26T08:06:43+00:00

Um it's pretty easy not to sexualize people who don't wanna be sexualized

BeanBodhi · 2021-12-26T06:42:45+00:00

The issue is speaking to people and commenting on it and reacting to it without someone’s explicit consent

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