Men do not seem like they are proud to be men. And this is detrimental to their mental health. We need to celebrate men instead of demonizing them.

d_nijmegen · 2021-03-26T13:20:14+00:00

This is something INFLICTED on men. It's not our fault society thinks we're useless but depend on our backs too

nacho-chonky · 2021-03-26T15:34:11+00:00

This mostly effects kids, this culture is terrible for a growing boys self esteem since society blames all its problems on men in general, something an adult should have thick enough skin to take but for kids it can cause many mental health issues, I’m glad I grew up before this shit got too crazy, boys now have it a lot harder than ever

dudeman746 · 2021-03-26T16:19:19+00:00

I'm a man and I don't want to live on this world anymore. I feel like my existence and well-being is constantly under attack. There are no resources made available or known to me that help me deal with my mental issues. There are no "man issues" that put me in a position to ask for help. There are social media movements that paint me as a predator. I have been marginalized in my marriage and family and there is no recourse because I'm expected to support the challenge to traditional roles. My sole function in life is to earn money to support my wife and kids. I can't tell my sons that they're in for a world of hurt because they were born privledged. I can't impart the inequity to my son that there's a "girls learn to code" club but there is no coding club for boys at his school, literally no coding club that boys are allowed into. How do I teach my sons that they'll be vilified for standing up for themselves? How can I stand up for myself without being vilified? How do I teach my sons to engage in healthy relationships with women when I know the current climate is so volatile? Don't tell the girls they're pretty, don't make the first move, don't treat girls special. How do I tell them to seek help for their problems? I can't even find help for mine. The only support groups in my area for men are specifically for gay, bisexual, minority, or married men. There is no support for a single white male in my area. Sure, there are a select few white men who hold more wealth than most, but what can I do for my sons or myself when that's held against them?

FlaccidArrow · 2021-03-26T18:47:11+00:00

I agree, men seem to be demonized for being just men. Look at yesterdays example of all the boys being made to apologize for one person's mistake who could only relate to them due to gender. I am curious to the study that you're referencing that says people view men as worthless and bad. Could you link it to me?

Throwaway_Old_Guy · 2021-03-26T15:47:47+00:00

Just my opinion - Men would probably be OK with just being ignored if it meant the relentless onslaught of criticism stopped.

We are very resilient beings. We are more independent, and require less validation.

SewageFace · 2021-03-26T13:59:45+00:00

Proud to be man? No of course not. We are tools for the use of other people's minds. That shit sucks, why would I be proud of being the "hey lift that for me" while lady talks to lady boss, become friends and get promoted for doin nothing but talking.

DashCammington · 2021-03-26T17:04:08+00:00

Men do not seem like they are proud to be men

This is a significant problem in our current society. You can be proud to be gay, black, trans, female, pretty much anything except white or male. If you're born white and male you have to apologize for what you were born as. This race to the bottom where only minorities / adversity groups can have any kind of pride is beyond stupid. It's why you see people flocking towards trans trending (which is a total disservice to the actual trans community) and faking disabilities and such. Able bodied white people are afraid to be white and men are afraid to be men because in our current society those groups are being demonized.

Everyone should be able to be proud of who they are unless they're a shitty human being. This idea of pride by birthright is dumb, as dumb as nobility. A person's genetics don't make them better or worse than another person. That's a core tenet of racism.

MancunianMuffin · 2021-03-26T14:38:31+00:00

Well I've took this on my own shoulders. Walk around with your head high. Be strong. Be manly. Be a presence. Don't be ashamed for who you are. Stand tall. Stand above. Stick your chest out and handle it.

Criket · 2021-03-26T18:47:35+00:00

If I am proud?

I've had a nightmare childhood, ended up with a violent wife in 2000. Accomplished more work than anyone on jobsite. Got poisoned by wife and left for dead for inssurance scam(2009), get some brain damage, Survived. Divorce and lost of my kid in 2010. I got homeless by falses accusations in 2011. Raise from scratch. bankruptcy because being screwed over (2016). I get back on my feet again, and again because of my own power without special treatment. I found strength I wouldn't never imagined. It's only hopeless when you give up. I succeeded where the average little privileged snowflake would had abandoned even with all their ressources and helping.

I win my life in hell mode, of couse I'm proud

Zorbles · 2021-03-26T21:28:39+00:00

You can celebrate being a woman, being gay, or being black. But if you're a straight white man it's illegal.

ovenface2000 · 2021-03-26T21:29:03+00:00

It’s utterly thankless being a man, and I say, on average, we’re nicer people, more considerate, honest, hard working. Yet all we get is shit.

2021-03-26T13:58:03+00:00

That's because men are seen as disposable. While women are tired of seen as sex objects we're tired of being used as disposable objects. We have to die, fight, sacrifice ourselves, do the psychical hard work, we're expected to provide all while our feelings or mental state is usually not considered we don't get much emotional support or help.

2021-03-26T19:33:53+00:00

This is an example that's been said before but it bears repeating.

There are so many tv shows and movies that turn the dad into a clueless idiot.

I'm so god damn tired of it.

I_Require_STERLING · 2021-03-26T20:44:20+00:00

It makes me sad that I've been raised to believe that men shouldn't celebrate who they are. I genuinely feel bad as it actually made me think "A fellow man celebrating who he is? Ugh how stupid."

RockmanXX · 2021-03-26T21:59:49+00:00

And the best part? When men finally get fed up of all the hate and snap, Society turns around and says "See? Told you they were trash!".

im-domi · 2021-03-26T22:11:06+00:00

It really saddens me to see the opposite gender depicted in such an ugly way nowadays. Both genders should be able to be proud of who they are, we are complementary and we can only be happy if we accept and value our differences.

Don't listen to those feminists and the media, they don't even know what they are talking about. They are fighting against their own imaginary demons. I used to listen to them too, but when I noticed that I started developing bits of anger towards men it really hit me that this is not okay. They were telling me to be empowered by my anger but I was actually slowly being consumed by it and suppressing my own femininity. Why would I need to prove to someone that I can be something that I am not? I want to be kind and loving towards everyone and show my own vulnerabilities, not to be resentful. I'm so glad to be able to value masculinity today instead of despising it and I really hope that all men realise they have so much potential in themselves. Manliness is powerful and valuable, not toxic!

LooseJuggernaut864 · 2021-03-26T17:00:59+00:00

https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2021/mar/24/accusing-teacher-of-harassment-boy-dies-by-suicide-in-chhattisgarh-2280927.html

OtherOtie · 2021-03-26T17:17:34+00:00

We live in a weird time where femininity in women is being displaced by masculinity and masculinity in men is being displaced by nothing good.

2021-03-26T19:12:54+00:00

I am neither proud or ashamed to be a man. It's not something I chose. I am proud of what I've achieved as a man, though.

neoalfa · 2021-03-26T17:23:16+00:00

To be fair, no one should be proud of something that's not of their own doing. By the same token no one should be demonized.

2021-03-26T20:34:16+00:00

Men are very proud to be men, I think it's others who are trying to take that away.

I love being a man,

Stevieboy3362 · 2021-03-26T21:40:49+00:00

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GDMongorians · 2021-03-26T19:35:53+00:00

I agree, anything that has been deemed masculine is considered toxic, car clubs, sports clubs, etc. I was watching my nephew play football and his teammate flexed after making a great sack, not over the opponent or anything unsportsmanlike, just toward the crowd and his family as they cheered him on. A group of moms started talking about how that kind of display of testosterone should not be allowed it’s unsportsmanlike etc. I didn’t say anything to them, but it pissed me off. Men have testosterone there is nothing wrong with it. It’s natural and if we want to display the excitement or rush we get from it society needs to deal with it. If you get offended, you have the problem not the other way around. Men are told to repress their masculinity and embrace their emotions. Guess what part of our emotions come from testosterone. I feel like men are just being mind fucked by society right now. Another example happened this wee also; I was in a Teams meeting at work, the lady presenting wasn’t familiar with MS Teams. One of the men from her group suggested a couple things and she got upset with him and snarky and then another lady stated in the chat that mansplanning wasn’t necessary. I had to hold my tongue, the man was trying to help as she was holding up the meeting. It’s gotten to the point where I see men grouping up and not interacting and trading ideas etc with women as much at work because they don’t want to deal with the bullshit.

stanimir10 · 2021-03-26T21:38:26+00:00

As a man with depression i can say that this is accurate.

imjusthereforresearc · 2021-03-26T13:34:02+00:00

Be the change you want to see.

Melohdy · 2021-03-26T20:13:24+00:00

I could easily give up being a man.

2021-03-26T20:40:58+00:00

I love being male. Pride is immature though. Don't let them make you feel lesser

q00qy · 2021-03-26T20:41:30+00:00

I mean, I am not proud to be a man, I am just fucking glad I am not a woman. Periods? Giving birth? Fuck no.

The only thing I envy women or my wife is the incredible connection they have with their children, breastfeeding and shit, IMO to experience the love and the bond with your children as a mother is the most beautiful thing in the world, and for that I envy women (mothers).

Other than that? Fuck me I am glad to be a men, only thing I fear are kidney stones 🖕🏼

Trolleficus · 2021-03-26T20:51:11+00:00

I think we should be genuinely decent human beings that act according to common sense first and foremost and only then men,women,straight,gay,bi,trans, christian,jew ,muslim,insert anything. Common sense and decency should be celebrated,not your gender,etc

AndyCalling · 2021-03-26T22:17:35+00:00

Pride is a dangerous thing, as it indicates a need to convince oneself through gaining validation from others. It can be an attempt to self-validate or to 'convince oneself' but this is similarly problematic.

As the great maritime philosopher once said, I am what I am. I accepted that fairly early on in life and have moved to build upon it rather than to continually wring my hands over my own existence as many seem doomed to do.

I don't need the approval of others to take this path either. I need neither their celebration of me nor their derision of me. So long as I am able to choose my company I have no cause to endure the unwelcome opinions of others as to my being. This of course includes those with a particular fascination for sexuality who seem so common in society for reasons I honestly don't care to understand.

So, ask yourself why you feel the need to play this strange game? Why do you need pride to cling to and for others to 'celebrate' you? Why do you seek to control the content of their minds such that you may feel better about yourself?

I say stop trying to control others, let them go their way and you go yours. A less controlling and controlled version of masculinity is there for you if you are willing to take it. Doesn't that sound a better alternative to a philosophy of controlling pride?

Badde00 · 2021-03-26T22:58:50+00:00

I don't think you should be proud though, of any gender. Being proud of that would be like being proud of being left handed out blonde. It's not an accomplishment, you simply are.

If you wanna be proud of the fact that you survived the hardships that brought you, that's fine.

You should be proud of achievements, not basic characteristics.

Seszer-06 · 2021-03-26T23:31:53+00:00

Think about the bright side, at least we can have kids without doing through pain...

That's it, that's like the only thing that's better

TC18271851 · 2021-03-27T00:24:43+00:00

Why should I feel proud? Being a Man is a curse. Women live significantly better lives

JudDredd · 2021-03-27T00:50:20+00:00

Important to differentiate between ‘not ashamed’ and ‘proud’. People should feel neither pride nor shame for things about themselves that they have no control over.

KayraTheNomad · 2021-03-27T09:42:42+00:00

Because we are disposable. We always were. Being sent to war, not evacuated during a probable genocide (Kosovo), being the means to feed the family. That is what society is pushing to us. Feminists don't see it but we are oppressed as much as they are.

pappo4ever · 2021-03-26T18:39:18+00:00

There is nothing to be proud of if you were born with it, or given. I'm not proud to be a man, but I'm proud to be myself.

Loumier · 2021-03-26T20:19:05+00:00

I don't i should be proud of something that's either not an achievement and i couldn't even choose. But I would feel much better if only we stop blaming men and masculinity for every issue on society.

BeastMcQueen · 2021-03-26T21:27:00+00:00

Correct.

Mad_Hatter_92 · 2021-03-26T21:58:18+00:00

I don’t think that the issue is that I’m not proud to be a man. It’s that there are so many negatives I experience whenever I just go about my life as I see fit. I have to constantly watch myself and be careful not to do x,y,z or I’ll face scrutiny. I’ve eventually just ended up perpetually suppressing myself to live an easier life. Unless I’m drunk, then I can life carefree

OpinionatedDad · 2021-03-26T23:25:00+00:00

No joke... The world feels like we are ... Men = bad.... Why would I want to be a guy

GreatGrizzly · 2021-03-26T23:26:42+00:00

Ill file this under my "water is wet" round filing bin.

Men are told pretty much all their lives that they have no value unless they accomplish something.

Even if they do accomplish things, in the dating and social world that means pretty much jack shit, unless they are good looking.

So what is there really to be proud of in a society that expects everything from men, but doesn't reward them or acknowledge them?

2021-03-27T00:53:12+00:00

And I honestly think this is how a lot of men feel.

When you're shown from very early on that masculinity is bad, that men have "kept other poor people down for ages" and that women should be in positions of authority, then what do you expect?

Women on the other hand seem to be proud of their gender and actively celebrate their womanhood.

not really. They celebrate the lack of consequences of bad actions. They celebrate in the now, instead of looking to the future to what will eventually happen.

Women celebrate because they can still claim "The patriarchy!" and the false gender wage gap myth and assume they have the high ground. the media and political climate reinforces this.

They do not care for femininity, that is to say having feminine traits. quite the reverse actually. headstrong, positions of authority/power, and aggressiveness has become more of a thing for them. problem is that it leads to misery for many of them later on in life when the biological clock has struck midnight. They hate typical gender roles that kept our species going for millenia. But it's biological more than anything.

ask yourself, if masculinity is so bad, then why do the feminists always exhibit or strive to have masculine traits? aggressiveness, authority, etc.

From the first time we encounter authority outside of the home (and most come from single parent households, where the mother gets custody and the father gets visitation.) School is mostly female teachers, school administrations are primarily comprised of female teachers.

after school, then what, guidance counselors for college are primarily female. most of academia is full of female management.

then after college, the workplace, where most HR departments are female dominated.

and all the while, if you question the narrative that the feminists spew out, then you're punished for it. Masculinity is punished in schools, in colleges, in the workplace and even outside of those realms.

men are fed a constant stream of man bashing in the media, where men are portrayed as homer simpson or weak. the most recent charlies angels for example, where kristen stewart, a 100 lb twig, somehow beats men in unarmed hand to hand combat? really? it was almost painful to watch that part, because you know the male actors were completely throwing it and not even trying.

then in the workplace, where we're taught about "Sexual harrassment" on a yearly basis and how it revolves around men being the aggressors.

I know a lot of you and this sub generally hates (?) Men going their own way, but it is a philosophy and a way of protecting ones self from the system that has been formed to destroy men and masculinity.

when the game is this rigged against men in every place, the workplace, the judicial system (family court), education, and even public interactions, then the only reasonable thing to do is to walk away. observe what you can, and be you, be a man. keep on doing, because at the end of the day thats what defines us.

mra8a4 · 2021-03-27T01:19:05+00:00

As a high school teacher I talk about how happy I am to be a man. And enjoy "manly things" I also adamantly voice support for men who don't. I support gay and trans rights. And women any way I can. I focus on confronting stereotypes and assumptions.

I teach in a rural area being masculine and manly while vocally supporting all others ia my best chance as changing minds.

Raphe9000 · 2021-03-27T01:47:09+00:00

I don't think men should be proud of being men, and I don't think women should be proud of being women. Pride for something you have no control over is not a good thing imo, and from what I've observed it tends to lead to bigotry and a sense of entitlement and superiority. People should be proud of what they do, not what they are.

So while I agree the double standard of pride is an issue; I don't think the solution is male pride. Everyone should practice humility.

my-blood · 2021-03-27T02:21:23+00:00

How are we supposed to be proud when all we're made to do is feel bad about being males. Take the Australian school for example where young boys were made to apologize for being male.

Sbatio · 2021-03-27T03:41:57+00:00

Being proud of being Male makes about as much sense as being proud of being white.

I didn’t have anything to do with it, and the constructs that make a man, “a man” are cultural.

I’m proud of being a kick ass member of society and my family, because I have active input in that.

dtyler86 · 2021-03-27T05:12:32+00:00

I’m proud to be a man. The hardships, the genetics, the mountains I’m born to climb, the modest pride of climbing them, things only real men understand. It’s hard, it’s upsetting at times, but I wouldn’t have it any other way.

Unfortunately, White (specifically) straight men are the only people it’s publicly and socially acceptable to marginalize. And that’s not ok. NO ONE should be acceptably marginalized. If you don’t “look like me”, it’s okay. You’re gay? Trans? Black? Mixed race? Wiccan? Muslim? The world has got your back.

But if you’ve made the unforgivably grave mistake of being born a straight white male, apparently you dont need “anyone” to have your back.

2021-03-27T08:41:08+00:00

I agree. I felt very bad about my gender for years. Some really great men and women helped me feel better. I'm now better at respecting women, being confident with other men, and liking the feeling of being myself. I think we need to try to normalize being comfortable in your own skin for men. We see a lot of "body positivity" for women, and a lot of mockery and "get into better shape lardo" for men.

naytreox · 2021-03-27T08:55:45+00:00

Well it can start by all these media things, the comertals on TV and beloved characters in our fiction to stop attacking us men and in the comertals case, stop making men out to be idiots cucks and weak.

That would be a start, it's very difficult for (at least me) to feel wanted or accepted

Oncefa2 · 2021-03-26T19:31:31+00:00

Why should anyone want to proud of their gender? That shouldn't define their worth.

2021-03-26T19:27:47+00:00

Men built human civilization, women provided progeny. The seed of life comes from us, they merely nurture it. They can freeze their ultra fertile eggs for ten or a thousand years, ultimately the essential ingredient for inception of life comes from the Man. Yes, we both require each other but women worldwide need to start recognizing and appreciating the value of Men. Shout out to my fellow Men all over for sustaining our world. Thank you.

2021-03-27T00:02:08+00:00

Why should anyone be proud of their gender? You didn’t work hard to be a man. It’s just as silly as being proud of your race or ethnic group. You didn’t choose those things.

You can like being a man. You can prefer it. You can be proud of what you’ve overcome as a man. You can be proud of your accomplishments, and how you didn’t let the anti-male mentality effect you.

But being proud of being something you had no choice over makes no sense.

ChipHead5039 · 2021-03-26T23:03:39+00:00

You all talking about how you should be proud to be men but you’re all feeling sorry for yourselves like a pack of bitches! Be men for fucksake and push that hurt down deep!

ColonelVirus · 2021-03-27T02:03:06+00:00

I find it very fucking strange for people to be proud of their gender tbh...

Its not like it's an achievement.

ObviousObservationz · 2021-03-26T15:14:39+00:00

Men are never told that they can be proud of who they are. And many are made to apologize just for being alive. Instead of celebrating men, we attack and demonize them on a daily basis. And I think this difference in treatment and identity has an overall negative effect on their mental health.

I've lived my life as a man and I've never felt this way so I'd like a better understanding of how this happens. How does a man end up feeling society is out to demonize him?

I've seen my fair share of sexism towards men and that sucks but I don't feel like I've been made to feel ashamed of being a man. I feel lucky that I'm a man.

I watch hundreds of movies in which men are heroes. I see news articles showing male police officers and fire fighters as heroes. I look at Nobel prize winners that are mostly men. I see so many examples of men being glorious that I would never think I should be ashamed of being a man.

My experience isn't the same as everyone's so I'm not looking to discredit anyone. I just want to understand where those feelings come from. Is it just everyone sees things a bit differently than me? Or was I fortunate to dodge such societal hate growing up. Did I just not notice it?

LastRounder · 2021-03-26T14:03:55+00:00

This is something I noticed in a Reddit thread where men were asked what it meant to them to be a man.

There was only one response, which could probably be summed up as, "meh".

Kinda generalization. Or maybe specific subs and specific audience. .

Men are never told that they can be proud of who they are. And many are made to apologize just for being alive. Instead of celebrating men, we attack and demonize them on a daily basis. And I think this difference in treatment and identity has an overall negative effect on their mental health.

Western problem.

What is like to be a man? Well, that's mostly cool. You get final word in a lot of situations, you earn more, because can focus more on work. You are physically strong, and age slower than woman do. Plus, If you start put on weight, it is easier to get rid of it, if you need it.

Plus you can grow that beard and mustache. Also you do not need to manage all emotional bullshit women do, plus no periods. That's awesome.

What else...ah, yeap. You are in charge of a lot of things, so If you fuck up, you will be blamed for everything. You have to take care of buisness, and most of the time you have noone to watch your back, because it is you who are there fore ones you care. That sometimes gets tiresome, because ain't no man made of iron. But you are strong enough to shrug it off, because mostly you do not have time for this.

Kinda like this. Am I proud to be man? Ehhh...kind of. But it is not quite precise word. I rather glad to be a man. It is just normal for me.

Am I sorry for some other men's fuckups? Heck, no. And if someone's gonna imply it or argue about it with me, said someone may go and suck my dick, for all I care.

Edit:

Also, I think whole "proud" thing is just SJW/PC/Lib/Left bullshit. Basically positive discrimination. And hypocricy.

You should be proud for what person you are, not for being man, woman, black, azn, gay, tranny, dog, alien, attack helicopter, whatever.

If you done nothing of value for you, sorry, you have nothing to be proud of. And being born of specific sex, race, etc is not your personal achievement.

Atilla942 · 2021-03-27T12:39:01+00:00

What are you talking about? Since the beginning of time we have ONLY celebrated men? Women weren’t even the basic rights of participating in anything. Now we finally have a platform to be proud of and you’re trying to discredit it. When women celebrate being proud of themselves it isn’t mutually exclusive with shaming men.

Maxtynine · 2021-03-26T18:41:19+00:00

could you link the post pls

Sociopathy-is-bliss_ · 2021-03-27T02:44:45+00:00

homie where exactly do you live? where woman are considered valuable and men considered worthless?

pappo4ever · 2021-03-26T18:32:12+00:00

Oh men are quite proud to be men. Tell any young boy that he's a girl, see how he reacts.

stayawayfromgray · 2021-03-26T18:36:10+00:00

This is true. But I think this is why. A friend of mine has 8 sisters. Only male sibling. He asked a group of women once what they would do if there no men on the planet and their answers were like go hiking. Go out for a drink late at night. Stuff men do and take for granted.

2021-03-26T19:38:27+00:00

Men are not being men. Everyone has that victim mentality in this sub. If you wanna get a positive answer, go to other subs.

iSpiltMyCoffeeAgain · 2021-03-26T18:52:25+00:00

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superhulk2 · 2021-03-26T17:58:09+00:00

I am proud and confident no matter what. I had a hard life and now i represent a lot of other men and i am who stands up for them. It is perspective that changes a sheep to a lion.

WestwardAlien · 2021-03-27T00:00:59+00:00

Can I see a link to that post?

Bergatario · 2021-03-27T01:40:50+00:00

You mean pusywhipped western men don't feel proud to be men. Go to Latin America or Africa a d men are proud to be men.

SignificantDog3912 · 2021-03-27T11:00:42+00:00

Dude I lost the energy of feeling proud of anything,I’m shell

2021-03-27T15:31:20+00:00

Went back to work today and me and a co worker were taping boxes together and she was talking about how much she hates men to me. She was showing me messages and I was basically reassuring her that not all men are like that it's just that those one target girls so it seems like every guy is like that.

I can definitely see why girls think like this but it's exhausting being seen as useless and worthless all of the time and that I'm only out for sex. I think social media is a massive part of this and it needs to be shown more that we don't all act like children.

Atilla942 · 2021-03-27T17:41:40+00:00

I'm from the UK but I'm from an ethnic minority which still celebrates masculinity. So yeah I'm proud to be a man and I don't apologise to any woke cunt for anything I haven't done.

Its so sad to see the current state of men in the West, especially men from working class backgrounds. They are losing on pretty much on every front, most of them aren't going to universities, hell many drop out by of education by year 10 or 11. The lucky few who go to college are clueless and lost. They have no prospect for jobs as the West has continued to move all of its industries to China which resulted in depressing and poverty ridden towns all over North of England which was once manufacturing power houses.

Even the few male dominated jobs are now victims of woke culture and forced diversity hires pushing working class men out of work and into unemployment, homelessness and a grim future often resulting in serious mental health issues and many times suicides.

There aren't many programs and government schemes to help men from disadvantaged background to get into work and education. While there are countless such programs for women. West has basically told men to shut and up and suffer under the boot. I don't see a great future for majority of men here.

Title	Men do not seem like they are proud to be men. And this is detrimental to their mental health. We need to celebrate men instead of demonizing them.
Author	Oncefa2
Upvotes	1964
Comments	148
Date	March 26, 2021 1:18 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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