New Harvard study debunks gender pay gap: women earn less because they choose to work less than men

someone-krill-me · 2018-11-25T07:45:49+00:00

Feminism argues that this results from women being pressured into spending enough time with family, while men aren't pressured into prioritising spending time with their family over their work.

FezoaStaler · 2018-11-25T11:42:42+00:00

I'm not that good at english, can someone help.me understand if this is only in massachussets?

ms4720 · 2018-11-25T06:57:42+00:00

Do the scholars still work for Harvard?

bludgeoning · 2018-11-25T09:49:15+00:00

Honestly the comments over there are really interesting. Both sides of the debate are active and its fascinating to see how they discuss the study.

Wai-Sing · 2018-11-25T09:18:58+00:00

let's be careful and critique this study thoroughly before accepting its conclusions or else we're no better than the feminazis

Blackfire12498 · 2018-11-25T08:49:14+00:00

Wooaooooah no way!

expendablethoughts · 2018-11-25T14:40:59+00:00

...in that very specific field lol

The answer is "they work less overtime".

Also, the study doesn't say how overtime is attributed. In my place of work, overtime is limited, and seniority will determine who gets to do it when two people want it. So if the same number of people of both sexes wanted it, but men had more seniority, they'd have it more often.

YarnFoodie · 2018-11-25T14:17:11+00:00

I (woman) make more than the women who were hired at the same time and at the same pay as me. They have both taken maternity leave at least twice while I never have. Missing months of work has set them back, as it should. I picked up the slack while they were out.

NecroHexr · 2018-11-25T09:01:34+00:00

i CaN't BeLiEvE tHiS!

whistleridge · 2018-11-25T13:45:03+00:00

On the one hand, shots fired.

On the other hand...his methodology is wanting in a few respects. One sector in one city is not a representative sample, particularly not when that city is in an area that is known to be not terribly representative of the national labor market as a whole.

2018-11-25T15:35:21+00:00

I’m trying to post this in r/feminism or twoxchromosomes, but for some reason the post keeps failing. Any reason why?

XenoX101 · 2018-11-25T09:50:48+00:00

Shocker. I would have thought it was because everyone hates women /s.

And there is no "gap", a gap implies there is an empty space needing to be filled. This is part of the bullshit word game they play to convince you of their argument. The same as the word "imbalance", it is balanced unless the companies aren't able to cover the shortfall caused by the fewer work hours, which doesn't seem to be the case. The only way this is an issue is if you can provide cases of women doing the exact same as men, and failing at higher rates, so far this has not been proven. Though I will admit it is possible (likely) that the typical female temperament may make it harder for them to get promotions, if they are not aggressive enough (studies have shown on average they don't negotiate as sternly for higher salaries).

rumblith · 2018-11-25T17:09:09+00:00

That sounds like it mirrors the study on uber and lift drivers where women were more likely to work less (certain hours they drove far fewer) Also they're less likely to pick up the shorter routes as "wastes of times".

kragshot · 2018-11-25T19:36:30+00:00

This is all well and fine, except that this will be just another study that will be ignored or dismissed as "evil research to support teh patriarchy."

But on the other hand, at least this paper was allowed to be published and not silenced....

SeaBiscuit1337 · 2018-11-25T16:32:56+00:00

A single study focused on a specific field of work in one state does not debunk the entire gender pay gap. It’s a good study, but OP’s title is incredibly disingenuous and only seeks to misinform those who will only read the title and make their own conclusions.

asdfgasdfg312 · 2018-11-25T12:21:24+00:00

There is thousands of these studies. Dont think another one will help that much... these people dont want to learn, they want to play the victim.

Shadowthrice · 2018-11-25T14:40:21+00:00

They have the option to work less, and they choose to take advantage of it.

There's the female privilege, that men certainly do not have.

The_Frag_Man · 2018-11-25T10:45:06+00:00

No shit.. we already knew this

SergePower · 2018-11-25T14:28:00+00:00

Conditional on seniority, which dictates choice sets, the weekly earnings gap can be explained entirely by differences in operator choices of hours, schedules, and routes.

This must be the misogynist hate speech I keep hearing about...

Bootylove4185 · 2018-11-25T11:27:05+00:00

It’s not new y’all just have to do research. The female head of economics said this like 5 years ago.

2018-11-25T18:41:19+00:00

People will believe what they want to believe even when evidence shows otherwise.

chasemyers · 2018-11-25T20:53:44+00:00

95% of men give a resounding "no shit, Sherlock".

something_new · 2018-11-25T22:21:30+00:00

Jordan Peterson has been saying this for years

chambertlo · 2018-11-25T12:08:13+00:00

You mean to tell me that when a woman decides to get pregnant and have her career put on the back burner, or when she decides to take jobs that are not in STEM fields, that it actually factors into how much money she ends up making? I am shocked.

MotherAce · 2018-11-25T10:22:12+00:00

Well, ...duh. We could have told you that, Harvard?

ajhinius · 2018-11-25T14:34:18+00:00

I mean, we knew.

pixie_wrangler_ · 2018-11-25T15:07:48+00:00

Hate facts

Npkiller34 · 2018-11-25T15:38:03+00:00

I hate this argument so much. I work in an environment where I am required to work everyday! All of my co workers are male. All of our customers are male and they work everyday too. If women wanna get that bread then maybe they should grind for it too.

2018-11-25T16:08:24+00:00

The final line of the paper:

"These results suggest that some policies that increase workplace flexibility, like shift swapping, can reduce the gender earnings gap and disproportionately increase the well-being of female workers."

Taint_Washer · 2018-11-25T14:56:34+00:00

This is a misleading title. The study did not debunk the gender pay gap overall. It showed that one single business entity could explain its pay gap by employee choices. The concept that women make different career choices than men is already a known factor in the unadjusted wage gap, but it does nothing to explain the adjusted wage gap.

IANVS · 2018-11-25T14:31:35+00:00

Watch the study being tucked under the rug, taken down or heavily disputed and deemed a phallacy...

zZ_DunK_Zz · 2018-11-25T15:02:07+00:00

shocked pikachu face

2018-11-25T16:46:29+00:00

And why should they work more when the control 80% of domestic spending? That's 100% of whatever she makes and 66% of whatever her husband makes, or 80% of whatever he makes if she doesn't have a job.

Men who are married get to control only 34% of the money they make. That's why there is 4 times as much retail space for women's merchandise than for men.

Of course, this pay gap never gets mentioned because women feel they are entitled to spend men's money. That's what we were put on this earth for. To labor and gather resources for her to consume as she pleases.

No one will ever convince me that men are nothing more than beasts of burden to women. All women. There is no NAWALT. Exploiting men financially is the preferred marital paradigm for women.

PastryWarrior · 2018-11-25T17:55:45+00:00

Studies also show that women less time during their day on leisure or hobbies than men. Is that a choice too?

AnyTrust · 2018-11-25T18:56:26+00:00

I work the graveyard shift in healthcare so I can take care of my toddler during the day. I’ve passes up multiple day time Lead and Supervisor positions. I am choosing to make less, but be with my toddler a lot. It’s a choice my wife and I thought would be best for our family. My wife’s work doesn’t offer graveyard shift and mine does.

2018-11-25T21:20:02+00:00

And the plot thickens...

upsidedownbackwards · 2018-11-26T01:42:18+00:00

No shit.

dexfagcasul · 2018-11-26T02:09:06+00:00

I’m shocked Harvard allowed this to be published considering how liberal they are

ihadtotypesomething · 2018-11-25T10:12:40+00:00

"we work less because we fight less!!!" - women.

2018-11-25T14:49:39+00:00

I found out the other day I make more than a male coworker based on merit. What am I supposed to whine about now? How will I get ahead in life if I'm not the victim?

Tommeee · 2018-11-25T16:46:06+00:00

This will go over well.

njullpointer · 2018-11-25T16:52:54+00:00

I think you missed a few words, like "yet again" in there somewhere. It's ridiculous to actively pay men less to fix a non-existent problem and expect men to not only pick up the slack for the vagina quota but deal with the kind of workplace hazards that an empowered bitter feminist can bring when she realizes she's been hired because she has a vagina, not actually skills. It's as degrading to women as it is terrible for men in general.

2018-11-25T17:05:38+00:00

We didn't need a study to know this. Sadly the rest of the world did and that is depressing.

Snerfs · 2018-11-25T18:06:38+00:00

How did all these people look through this entire study and including data in less than one hour?

Zohso · 2018-11-25T18:39:09+00:00

I really wish women would stop talking about the pay gap. The “pay gap” is a thing that’s been around from the beginning. Perceived value is up to the employer. You increasing your personal value is up to you. Every company I’ve ever worked for, no one got paid the same. Each person brought something different/unique to the table. Some of these skills were rated by the employer as being higher value than others. Even workers in nearly identical positions got paid differently. Want more money? Increase your value. Negotiate your wage/salary better. But do not blame your personal shortcomings on others. Stop pointing fingers and take a class.

2018-11-25T19:38:20+00:00

People are still arguing about this myth?

MelkorHimself · 2018-11-25T20:38:58+00:00

r/NoShitSherlock

spacedogg · 2018-11-25T23:03:30+00:00

But muh ideology

gfunk55 · 2018-11-25T15:36:38+00:00

and tenure dictates promotions,

A main argument for explaining the pay gap is that women don't get hired for higher-paying jobs. So this Harvard study is not pertinent.

wixie1016 · 2018-11-25T16:22:22+00:00

This is just a study from bus drivers, calm down.

julian_96 · 2018-11-25T12:25:35+00:00

eeeeh noshit

GYN-k4H-Q3z-75B · 2018-11-25T10:57:42+00:00

This will be buried.

Therealmejiemperor · 2018-11-25T11:35:11+00:00

And the suggestion is to restructure the work environment so men cannot “game” the system by working harder? Typical Harvard BS Liberal solution. How about address the problem by telling chicks to try harder?

Brand_new_beach_hat · 2018-11-26T02:49:25+00:00

This is a total misrepresentation of the study. The study looked at unionized workers whose employers are forced by contract to pay the men and women equally. When people talk about a gender pay gap they are usually referring to women getting paid less for doing the same work. This only happens in non-union jobs.

SrsSteel · 2018-11-25T15:38:00+00:00

So since you guys are being dumb on purpose here's what it is.

Women make less in the medical field because women have generally lower paying jobs in the medical field. Nurses vs Doctors for example. Sure, women choose to go into nursing, but whenever it becomes a gender difference thing there are sociatal pressures pushing women into the lower paying job. I'd argue that it is on its way to being fixed in some fields like engineering and medicine.

Anyone that argues that two people working the same job are getting paid differently is a moron.

Also I didn't realize /r/mensrights was about holding back women from having rights. Grow some balls. If your biggest concern is about other people being concerned about their status then you have no concerns.

Y'all sound like T_D trying to justify some shit

XenaWarriorPinterest · 2018-11-25T17:16:56+00:00

Or not

upper_monkey_horny · 2018-11-25T09:13:37+00:00

So there is a gender pay gap then...

EDIT: There is a gender pay gap, it just exists for different reasons than feminists claim. People here seem to have the feeling that the pay gap doesn't matter.

Stupidqstnsdoexist · 2018-11-25T16:54:55+00:00

This sub is funny. It’s called ‘men’s rights’ but all I see are little bitches whining about nothing.

Title	New Harvard study debunks gender pay gap: women earn less because they choose to work less than men
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