Next time a feminist claims "we see men as predators because of patriarchy, not feminism" send them this.

tenchineuro · 2021-01-15T20:35:23+00:00

That because YOU haven't killed, you think you've never raped, you think you've never been violent with a woman,

You 'think you've never raped'?

I guess with near everything being rape today, there may be something to this.

You 'think you've never been violent with a woman'?

I guess you're one false DV accusation away from jail.

In 2017, the UN estimates that 87,000 women have been killed because of their gender worldwide

I think I see the problem. UN estimates. I think in the UN 87.34% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

EDIT: It's Shark Week at r|feminism.

EmirikolWoker · 2021-01-15T18:11:02+00:00

87,000 women have been killed because of their gender worldwide

1) how is it being determined that they were killed because of their gender? With that answer...

2) and how many men?

You belong to the gender that has been relentlessly preying on us for several millennia.

So does George Floyd, every gay man, and roughly half of the black, Jewish, Muslim, and indiginous populations. Is she laying the justification for a bigger, more thorough holocaust?

primalsympathy · 2021-01-15T22:19:42+00:00

But men are killed more because they are percieved as threats... because they are men.

CaptSnap · 2021-01-15T23:48:24+00:00

The irony here is that this "all sharks are scary" paranoia is that it leads to a ton of unnecessary shark deaths every year. Some sharks are endangered now and for what? All because of that stupid irrational fear.

If your ideology creates fear that leads to hate then its the problem and youre the catlayst spreading it around ruining anything... like a shoe steeped in dog shit.

The ignorant twit couldnt have made a more fitting analogy.

Bojack35 · 2021-01-15T20:24:22+00:00

It's the 'take responsibility for your gender' part I just cant understand.

We don't tell women to 'take responsibility for your gender' because women commit more child abuse.

The idea of telling anyone to take responsibility for your race/religion/etc. Is not acceptable.

Why is it only acceptable to tell men to take responsibility for other mens crimes but not any other group of people?

Lady-Lummox · 2021-01-15T19:08:08+00:00

You belong to the gender that has been relentlessly preying on us for several millennia.

Feminists are thousands of years old. Confirmed.

Left_Earlobe · 2021-01-15T23:23:49+00:00

Dont you love being dehumanized and compared to an animal because of the actions of people completely unrelated to you.

NurturedByNature_0_0 · 2021-01-16T01:43:56+00:00

Imagine telling Muslims to "take collective responsibility" for terrorist attacks, or illegal immigrants to "take responsibility" for crime committed by immigrants. If anybody said something like this applied to any other group it would be called "hate speech" and they would be cancelled.

It should not be at all socially acceptable to demonize and to tell males to feel guilt/shame for being male, and to take collective responsibility for a small number of rapists and abusers.

windows_n_cheese · 2021-01-15T23:15:34+00:00

Every dangerous shark will attack when provoked. Its in their nature.

It's not in the nature of man to fuck every woman in revealing clothing they see on the streets. It doesnt make sense.

People are scared of sharks because they are dangerous if provoked. Dont be scared of men because some are. The linked post is not only sexist, suggesting men have an innate desire to rape, but also suggesting that all men should take responsibility for bad mens bad actions as if there arent bad women in the world.

SN1rx · 2021-01-15T23:55:52+00:00

Let's apply her logic to women. We should be afraid of all of them because a small fraction of women falsely accuse us of rape. But no that would be misogynistic!

DonaldGrabbedMyKitty · 2021-01-15T21:23:29+00:00

That leaves the other 318,346 as men

Luchadorgreen · 2021-01-16T00:12:54+00:00

They’re comparing men to animals, now. What a fucked up human being. Everyone who upvoted her aren’t much better.

justarandomtrol · 2021-01-16T00:20:15+00:00

One of the comments: "comparing men to sharks would be an insult to sharks"

Voidslan · 2021-01-16T01:39:49+00:00

The Benchmark they set for fearing men because we murder more women every year than sharks applies to all humans. More women are murdered every year by women than by sharks. More children are murdered every year by their parents than by sharks. By their logic everybody should realistically be treated as a potential attacker. The gender bias is still on them.

LegendaryEmu1 · 2021-01-16T01:46:16+00:00

A french feminist, thats a problem.

That because YOU haven't killed, you think you've never raped, you think you've never been violent with a woman, then that would justify not saying "all men". Yet you are a man. You belong to the gender that has been relentlessly preying on us for several millennia.Yet you refuse to take responsibility for your gender and to make it change.

Men are not a collective, not a hive mind. Some men prey on women being true does not mean it is appropriate to say all men prey on women. There are men who prey on women, there are men who prey on other men, there are women who prey on men, there are women who prey on women(if lesbian dv stats are anything to go by, its rampant for them). This is the fallacy of composition in full force(attributing something to all of a group based on a small part of it), not to mention assigning guilt for the broadest of associations.

I am sure they would lose their mind if there was suddenly a concerned effort telling women to take responsibility for the rampant(majority) of child murders committed by parents, essentially saying all women/mothers are child murderers or potential ones.

There are bad people. Regardless of gender, skin colour, race, religion, any consideration, in a group of any people, there are some who are bad, the smaller the group, the less likely that is.

Its taking away responsibility of individuals actions. Have i raped anyone? Hell no, the very thought is abhorrent to me. Would i stop a rape if i saw it? Yes. Doesn't matter the gender, doesn't matter, i will try to stop bad that happens within my sight. Its not a matter of thinking, I have not done it, period.

I refuse to accept guilt or responsibility for the crimes of a minority of 3.5 BILLION men, just as women shouldn't accept responsibility for the crimes that women in other countries do.

An unknown number of men are killed because of their gender(nobody keeps track), but in almost every crisis in history, men are killed, women survive.

The first EVER analysis of boys being forced into marriage was 115 million, done in 2019, we have no idea how accurate those numbers are because its the first, every single other analysis was solely women/girl based. Adult men are a completely unknown statistic.

The genital mutilation isn't always done by men, in fact a lot of women in africa(also known as the capital of it in the world) get it done for their daughters. Its part of their culture, meanwhile, circumcision has an estimated 1/3rd of the male population globally, but almost universal in muslim and jewish populations. Thats over 1 billion men.

An unknown number of men are raped, in many countries, it is impossible to rape a man, unless the attacker is a man. We know in the US that if you include 'made to penetrate'(ie a woman raping a man) combined with male on male rape its almost equal to women getting raped.

Not to mention in france, a woman who is subject to bondage(by choice or not) is legally raped. I tried looking up the actual numbers for france, but they wildly differ and are mostly based on surveys. the One woman raped every seven minutes is based on a 2012 report, but, actual police reports, only 1293. Now, the survey stuff said only 15% reported being raped, lets assume thats true. If they were all telling the truth, that puts the 'real' number at around 9000. Which is quite a few, but is a far cry from 75000.

The most up to date i can find was 2016, which had 62000 women(an average from 38000-86000). However, i'm pretty sure its total bunk as it also goes its conclusions and say majority happen before 15. That defies the stats the world over, that lists early twenties as the peak risk time for women, with the biggest range being 17-26, risk dropping dramatically after that. It also says 1.6% women have been raped/attempted to have been raped. Which, is a way to inflate statistics, i do not like that. I found all this in about ten minutes.

The culprits? The men and the society they set up.

Fuck off, women helped make society, women have helped run civilization since the dawn of it. The culprits are...the culprits. Whether because of psychological problems, culture, or weirdly enough, peer pressure, rapists rape. It is not exclusive to one gender, one race, one culture(although there are some that encourage it/don't care about it).

This is someone who believes whatever numbers she finds and excludes men as even being able to be victims. I'm a little surprised she didn't try and use the super weird scale i round that listed the rape rate in france as over 20%

Also shoutout to the comments section there, i guess they stopped banning people for dissent, because dang theres a lot of dissent, lot of women who recognise how dumb this is.

fgyoysgaxt · 2021-01-16T01:56:53+00:00

To date [...] 200 million women have undergone genital mutilation.

This seems like a strange thing to say when there are more than half that many men suffering from genital mutilation in USA today.

To date how many men have been mutilated? Billions?

DerScarpelo · 2021-01-16T00:38:49+00:00

That's the most pathetic comment section I've ever read, not only blind hatred for men defended by inane arguments but complete disdain for human life itself pathetic nihilism these people need help

floriandeckard · 2021-01-16T00:58:30+00:00

Those feminists and people they influenced act like a hive-mind colony. They don't even have basic logic system in their thought process. I have a hard time understanding how someone can write a wall of text like that? And it looks like that she believes in what she said. Wow. Everytime I read a feminist text, I feel like Hitler has been resurrected, and combined his powers with religious dogma. Religion of feminism.

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2021-01-16T11:28:04+00:00

Because it suits you to tell yourself that YOU are not like the others. That because YOU haven't killed, you think you've never raped, you think you've never been violent with a woman, then that would justify not saying "all men". Yet you are a man. You belong to the gender that has been relentlessly preying on us for several millennia. Yet you refuse to take responsibility for your gender and to make it change.

Dude, that's straight up hate speech.

Replace "men" with "Jews" and the actions with anti-semetic stereotypes, then see how it reads.

Because it suits you to tell yourself that YOU are not like the other Jews. That because YOU haven't loan sharked, you think you're not greedy, you think you're not inherently dishonest and obsessed with money, then that would justify not saying "all Jews". Yet you are a Jew. You belong to the race that has been relentlessly preying on us for several millennia. Yet you refuse to take responsibility for your race and to make it change.

Stop generalising across entire demographics. There's no such thing as "men", as in an actual entity that acts in unison. It's just anyone with a dick. They're all individuals, all human beings.

Men do not rape. No, some rapists are men.

Men do not kill. No, some killers are men.

Men are not violent. No, some violent people are men.

Unfortunately, these pea brained bigots will never understand this. +40 upvoted in r/feminism, even surely after a lot of people here downvoted. Multiple awards. And people wonder why a lot of men have zero stomach for feminism.

gamerush177 · 2021-01-16T04:45:08+00:00

Wait so I THINK I’ve never raped and I THINK I’ve never been violent with a woman? Pretty sure I know what I’ve done and have not done. And why should I feel bad and why should it be my responsibility to fix those scumbag guys who do rape women? And why are you comparing a shark to a man by saying people being rightfully afraid of a shark (that can rip you to shreds if it wants) means you should be afraid of and hate all men because of a few bad ones?

red_philosopher · 2021-01-16T07:26:06+00:00

About 2 BILLION men have had their genitals mutilated. . . A full factor of 10 compared to FGM. But hey, who's counting?

Men are overwhelmingly the targets for murder in nearly every mass killing on Earth. Kk.

Women commit .ore domestic violence than men do. By about a factor of 2.5:1 in non-reciprocally violent relationships (which is 50% of all violent relationships.)

Yah know, we don't even know how many men are raped or sexually assaulted by women, but most prudent estimations put women at about 50% of all sexual violence.

Boys are killed more by their mothers than girls are.

Mothers kill their children more often than men do.

lestratege · 2021-01-16T04:13:53+00:00

This is textbook feminism.

Talk about societies that men build to pretend that women have no active roles in societies while they are the ones who educate children so as to remove women's responsibility: check.

Drum up threat and completely ignore the opposite: check. Her shark analogy is actually very on point. Dozens of humans are attacked by sharks every year and a few die. One hundred million sharks die at the hands of humans every year. But of course it's humans who should be afraid of sharks, not the other way around.

That user seems like a previous olympe who used to spam r/france and deleted her initial account because she raged that people refuted her claims all the time despite the simp mods fighting for her at every turn.

Her username is a reference to Olympe de Gouges, a woman who got guillotined during the French revolution. Feminists claim it's because she was the first feminist, but in fact it was because of her sympathy with the royalists.

Rewriting history and distorting facts, the feminist MO in full display.

ralphswanson · 2021-01-16T01:33:36+00:00

This a typical feminists narrative which belies the claim that feminism is about equality of the genders. The same feminists who bemoans that stereotypes about women are everywhere wants to create stereotype men like this. The feminists 'scholar' who claims 'women's studies' is needed dismisses Men's Rights as 'woman hating'. It is projection. It is so hypocritical. And it helps nobody save a few professional feminists who are paid by colleges for their foolish and hateful lies.

jjs41 · 2021-01-16T08:34:03+00:00

You can tell this post is so ridiculous when so of the people on r/feminism have an issue with it

michalus22 · 2021-01-16T09:12:49+00:00

I thought the moral of the story was to be afraid of only great white shark and tiger shark.

connzerjeeass · 2021-01-16T15:38:56+00:00

Society: "be scared of men because they rape people more" Someone: "be scared of poc because they commit more crime" Society: " you are evil and are racist"

I'm not defending racism here its just an example

Mycroft033 · 2021-01-16T01:26:19+00:00

And in the comments, she says that she’s comparing fears, not comparing men to sharks... because that would be insulting to the sharks

Shark feelings are more valuable to these people.

HorrorFan1191 · 2021-01-16T02:07:17+00:00

I have made a stupid mistake, I thought that would be a reasonable post to send a feminist in an argument.

driellma · 2021-01-16T10:06:05+00:00

That's mental illness, you can't concince me otherwise.

real_smoky · 2021-01-16T14:53:03+00:00

Not all women, but all sharks.

There are currently 530 species of sharks. Of these 530 different species, only 10 species are potentially dangerous to humans. Let's focus on two species. The white shark often attacks man because he thinks it is a sea lion. It is literally not his fault, it's a simple misinterpretation. The tiger shark attacks everything that moves. And sometimes even what doesn't move. So it is not personal if it attacks a human.

You see, it's not their fault. Besides, they are only animals who respond to their primary instincts. Can you feel the sarcasm? Because if not, I'm telling you it is sarcasm.

In 2018, there were 100 shark attacks worldwide. Of these 100 attacks, 34 were the result of humans provocation who attempted to interact with them. (They were asking for it, aren't they?). Out of the 66 remaining spontaneous attacks, 4 people died. Over the decade 2009-2018, there has been an average of 7 deaths per year caused by shark attacks. Of this decade, no deaths have occurred in European waters.

Yet the fear of sharks is part of us. If someone shouts "SHARK" while swimming quietly on the beach of the Californian coast, everyone gets out of the water immediately and without hesitation.
This fear is therefore widely accepted. Without question, without mockery and without judgment. If someone living along Michigan's lakes tells you that he's afraid of sharks, chances are that you will answer "oh well, yes, I feel you it's scary".

For example, at least 6% of rape claims are false, the vast majority of rape claims are unknown whether they are true or false, the 6% figure does not include mistaken accusations where the accuser was raped but named the wrong defendant, the 6% figure only includes those cases where there is strong proof it was false, false rape claims often result in serious harm, even the ones that do not end in conviction, punishing false accusers does not mean that a genuine rape accuser would be prosecuted if they could not prove they were raped, false rape claims are 4x more common than false claims of other crimes, rape victims receive a lot of help, but false rape claim victims receive virtually none. When domestic violence-related suicides are combined with domestic violence homicides, the total numbers of domestic violence-related deaths are higher for males than females. Also, even if we just look at homicide alone, women are still the perpetrators in 1/3 of instances. It may be higher for women, but the male rate of being victimized by spousal homicide is not insignificant. And yet, across a wide range of jurisdictions the estimates are that mothers receive primary custody 68-88% of the time, fathers receive primary custody 8-14%, and equal residential custody is awarded in only 2-6% of the cases.
The culprits? The women and the society they set up. Yet you know what they say to a man who talks about women as predators? "Not all women are like that". But if it is accepted that we can be afraid of sharks and that sharks are designated as a dangerous predator for women when they only kill 7 humans per year.... Why would it be any different for the most dangerous male predator?

Because it suits you to tell yourself that YOU are not like the others. That because YOU haven't killed, you think you've never raped, you think you've never been violent with a man, abused him verbally and mentally, driven him to suicide, taken his house and child after a divorce, forced him to pay alimony for a child that is not his but instead of a different man with whom you have cheated, then that would justify not saying "all women". Yet you are a woman. You belong to the gender that has been relentlessly preying on us for several millennia.
Yet you refuse to take responsibility for your gender and to make it change.

But you know, the day when women will no longer represent a threat to men, we will stop saying all women.

Submitted to their sub, though I dub they will approve it. But I sent it as a response to the post you linked, so that's something.

fatpieceofshite · 2021-01-16T00:09:34+00:00

200 million women have had their genitals mutilated

Bruh what?! Zero chance that's true. Also, ever heard of circumcision?

12golfcrew · 2021-01-16T02:33:10+00:00

This reminds me of an ancient law, I think it was among some ancient Slavic nation, where each person was a representative of his own city. So if he went to another city and someone from his city committed a crime there, the man would be punished despite having done nothing beyond being from the same city as the true criminal.

This shit reminds me of that. According to feminism we are guilty just by having the same genitals as the minority of men who do commit those crimes. I would never dream of making an innocent woman feel guilty for abusing children, divorce rape, domestic abuse and paternity fraud just because some other women that she has zero connection with have done so.

ShivasKratom3 · 2021-01-16T02:59:24+00:00

Blows my mind how they use the same logic “some Muslims are fine but we can’t let them in cuz some aren’t”

Same fucking reasoning.

realbrit · 2021-01-16T10:50:12+00:00

Because it suits you to tell yourself that YOU are not like the others. That because YOU haven't killed, you think you've never raped, you think you've never been violent with a woman, then that would justify not saying "all men". Yet you are a man. You belong to the gender that has been relentlessly preying on us for several millennia. Yet you refuse to take responsibility for your gender and to make it change.

This is the biggest crock of shit I have seen come out of that sub to date.

If the OP of that is reading this I would just like to say the following:

The vast majority of men don't think they aren't guilty of these things.

They know they are not guilty. Furthermore they veiw men who are guilty with nothing but contempt and condemnation.

This post is the most exceptional example of sheltered ignorance and female entitlement I am yet to see oozing from the reddit cesspit that is r/feminism.

People who subscribe to this narrow way of thinking don't stand for equality.

CableConscious5982 · 2021-01-16T15:34:29+00:00

Comment from the original poster: "comparing men to sharks is an insult to sharks"

WVWWWWVWWWWVW · 2021-01-16T03:04:05+00:00

Some poor guy got called a "pick me" because he agreed with her...

4th-rate-duelist · 2021-01-16T03:28:26+00:00

87,000 women killed What does that have to do with the statistic? There’s no way to know if they where killed because of gender and there isn’t anything saying that they where killed by men?

2021-01-16T04:19:10+00:00

Gee those dwarf lantern sharks do fucking scare me.

Cartgr · 2021-01-16T12:11:21+00:00

I don't really understand her point, can someone explain

DeeplyDisturbed1 · 2021-01-16T13:12:40+00:00

87,000 women have been killed because of their gender

Uh yeah sparky, I am gonna need to see the proof of this. How about women who died because they just happened to be weaker than the perpetrator?

Also, how many MEN die because of their gender. Like in war and industrial accidents?

Be careful with language. It is very important.

Denys_Picard · 2021-01-16T13:18:35+00:00

Tiens? Le Canard de L'Espace, c'est mignon. Maintenant, passons aux choses sérieuses:

There is more to fear when talking of Sharks from those of Silicon Valley than those from our Oceans, they are responsible for more deaths, especially in the Shadow of the Digital Coup d'État that is the Covid crisis.

Further, when Men attack women, it's mostly because they misinterpret them for feminists...

One must always keep a vitriolic sense of humor when discussing Conspiracy Theories. Gros Becs!

shankhisnun · 2021-01-16T16:48:28+00:00

Just posted a comment and waiting for any response. In case it gets removed by a moderator:

As someone who supports women's rights, this is pretty shitty. Generalizing people like this is just plain absurd and creates more division in society.

A lot of boys and men call women "bitches" or "hoes' based on what they think or a few bad experiences. Using the logic from this, it'd be appropriate for them to call all women pieces of shit or not worthy of being intimate with.

African Americans commit high rates of crime in the US. Using the reasoning of this post, it would make sense to be afraid of all black people or assume every single one is dangerous, which just reinforces stereotypes and prejudice.

Since some people of Islam enacted the incident of 9/11, all Muslims must be terrorists!

A girl cheated on me? That means I shouldn't trust any women I come across or have relationships with!

I have a crush on a celebrity who is wealthy? I'll just expect all women to be able to buy so many expensive things and act classy.

But you know, the day when "women stop accusing men of false crimes" and "no longer represent a threat to men'

These types of beliefs just split people from feminism even further and increase the disliking towards it. People don't want to be associated with things they're not.

ron_m_joe · 2021-01-16T16:55:07+00:00

That whole post was fine except for the "responsibility" part.

Title	Next time a feminist claims "we see men as predators because of patriarchy, not feminism" send them this.
Author	TheSpaceDuck
Upvotes	405
Comments	108
Date	January 15, 2021 5:53 PM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit	/r/MensRights
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