The state is only interested in establishing the responsible party regardless of circumstance or fact and begin the payment process. Quicker with less overhead is better for the state. It will net them more profit in the end. Child support is a state profit business.
First, we're all on the same side and can see this is a problem. But we don't need to be chasing the wrong boogieman.
"the agencies" - What agencies are you referring to that NOW is putting pressure on? You don't put pressure on the court system. You put pressure on the Legislative and Executive branches, not the Judiciary. Most Support laws were set up decades ago when the man typically was the high earner. Now that the script is flipping, we may see some change. But as things are right now, support laws are gender neutral.
It's important to note that there is a difference between divorce, custody, and support. I was foolish about the distinction and in PA, that bit me in the ass. I thought divorce directly lead to custody, then support. No so in PA. I can't speak for other states. Divorce and custody are handles in completely different courts than support. In PA they don't even care if you are married, separated or divorced. If you have two separate households with children involved you have a case for support. Your divorce lawyer cannot help you at domestic relations. The will ask you two main questions. How much each of you makes, and what is the weekly time split for the children. The computer will then spit out a number. The payer can offer to pay more and the payee can offer to take less, but outside of that sort of agreement, whatever the equation says is what you pay. NOW has not part in this. At this point the state wants your funds so it can be reimbursed by the federal government and no organization is going to stand in it's way.
Where NOW does have a voice is in Legislative and Executive lobbying for things like shared parenting policies. As long as it doesn't impact the state getting paid.
I know. That's why I pointed out the distinction that you glossed over. No organization at this point can get between the state and the federal dollars that the SSA Title IV provides. It's a beast that must be fed. As more and more women hold college degrees and out earn men, it's going to become a real shit show in the future. The state may have help women set the system up, but the state won't be there to help dismantle it.
That's retarded. Some money every two weeks won't matter when his "father" isn't around anymore. The state can't force him to stay around his life. The absence of a father is more damaging than the absence of child support money.
Also, how is this all on the "father"? If the mother wanted a father for her kid, she shouldn't have cheated. But no, apparently she isn't liable for her decisions.
You don't further victimise the non-father to redress that the child is also a victim of the mother's fraud.
Additionally, a man in such a situation may wish to have a child of his own, an option that is made somewhat more difficult if you're held responsible for the mother's fraud.
While both rape and this case are both terrible things this man has had his family taken from him and is a financial slave to this woman with no support to the state and this will be an ordeal which will continue for decades. Rape is a single incident that generally follows with help from family friends and state ( although not all the time, however the statistical majority do). I am not downplaying rape I'm telling you honestly it's a horrible horrible thing but this man has no support system or pathway for help while in the case of rape there are resources available immediately after the fact. This man is gonna be fucked for DECADES. Imagine what that can do to a person. I pray for his health and wellbeing.
Yes. I'm seriously saying this is just as much as, if not more of, a violation as a physical rape. This man has had everything stripped from him, and the government is pissing on his wounds. This is a horrific, horrific thing to happen to a man. The psychic pain this causes is just as large a violation as a physical rape.
I'm not going to say that this is worse than rape, but it's not at all about the paperwork. It's about the legal obligation to pay a cheating witch to raise a child that isn't yours. It essentially makes you her financial servant.
Wooooow dude. Take a step back. If you think a one-and-done episode of violence is more traumatic than literally having your child ripped from you and the government stepping in tell you that not only did you just have everything you love shattered, but you also have to pay for it for essentially the rest of your life (18 years is a LONG fucking time), then Jibbers Fucking Crabst do you need to gain a little empathy. Holy fuck, how can you even think this is just about filing some paper work?
Women are expensive to everyone involved. I mean, it makes sense that society would be organized around the needs of this gender, but women are literally destroying this planet with the biological imperative to reproduce.
Controlling / eliminating this nature is a matter of survival for humanity.
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Why do some states legally allow for the mom to legally abandone her baby then?
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States interest. The sex of the parents does not matter.
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The state is only interested in establishing the responsible party regardless of circumstance or fact and begin the payment process. Quicker with less overhead is better for the state. It will net them more profit in the end. Child support is a state profit business.
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To pretend that the agencies are acting with no outside pressure from organizations like NOW is not a fair analysis of the situation.
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First, we're all on the same side and can see this is a problem. But we don't need to be chasing the wrong boogieman.
"the agencies" - What agencies are you referring to that NOW is putting pressure on? You don't put pressure on the court system. You put pressure on the Legislative and Executive branches, not the Judiciary. Most Support laws were set up decades ago when the man typically was the high earner. Now that the script is flipping, we may see some change. But as things are right now, support laws are gender neutral.
It's important to note that there is a difference between divorce, custody, and support. I was foolish about the distinction and in PA, that bit me in the ass. I thought divorce directly lead to custody, then support. No so in PA. I can't speak for other states. Divorce and custody are handles in completely different courts than support. In PA they don't even care if you are married, separated or divorced. If you have two separate households with children involved you have a case for support. Your divorce lawyer cannot help you at domestic relations. The will ask you two main questions. How much each of you makes, and what is the weekly time split for the children. The computer will then spit out a number. The payer can offer to pay more and the payee can offer to take less, but outside of that sort of agreement, whatever the equation says is what you pay. NOW has not part in this. At this point the state wants your funds so it can be reimbursed by the federal government and no organization is going to stand in it's way.
Where NOW does have a voice is in Legislative and Executive lobbying for things like shared parenting policies. As long as it doesn't impact the state getting paid.
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I was specifically referring to NOW's campaigns against shared custody and parenting...most recently in Florida.
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I know. That's why I pointed out the distinction that you glossed over. No organization at this point can get between the state and the federal dollars that the SSA Title IV provides. It's a beast that must be fed. As more and more women hold college degrees and out earn men, it's going to become a real shit show in the future. The state may have help women set the system up, but the state won't be there to help dismantle it.
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The state will never go for that because far too many women have something to hide.
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That's retarded. Some money every two weeks won't matter when his "father" isn't around anymore. The state can't force him to stay around his life. The absence of a father is more damaging than the absence of child support money.
Also, how is this all on the "father"? If the mother wanted a father for her kid, she shouldn't have cheated. But no, apparently she isn't liable for her decisions.
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true men dont pay lawyers, only women do it
and then yall can redpill over cases like this
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Real men make use of the limited legal protections they are afforded to win an outcome which works for them.
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do you write Trump speeches?
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You said something stupid in your last comment, now you've said something irrelevant. Congrats.
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Yea I know Im an agent of the global feminist-SJW-jew-lizard conspiracy to murder all white men.
That guys sentence made no sense to me, just like when Trump tries to talk about stuff.
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I am that guy, and it was in response to the idea that "real men don't pay lawyers" which is complete nonsense.
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I still dont know what you were saying
Men have less legal rights?
Men cant afford lawyers?
And what outcome?
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You don't further victimise the non-father to redress that the child is also a victim of the mother's fraud.
Additionally, a man in such a situation may wish to have a child of his own, an option that is made somewhat more difficult if you're held responsible for the mother's fraud.
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Lol fucking SJW faggot over here being sexist as fuck
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While both rape and this case are both terrible things this man has had his family taken from him and is a financial slave to this woman with no support to the state and this will be an ordeal which will continue for decades. Rape is a single incident that generally follows with help from family friends and state ( although not all the time, however the statistical majority do). I am not downplaying rape I'm telling you honestly it's a horrible horrible thing but this man has no support system or pathway for help while in the case of rape there are resources available immediately after the fact. This man is gonna be fucked for DECADES. Imagine what that can do to a person. I pray for his health and wellbeing.
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Yes. I'm seriously saying this is just as much as, if not more of, a violation as a physical rape. This man has had everything stripped from him, and the government is pissing on his wounds. This is a horrific, horrific thing to happen to a man. The psychic pain this causes is just as large a violation as a physical rape.
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I'm not going to say that this is worse than rape, but it's not at all about the paperwork. It's about the legal obligation to pay a cheating witch to raise a child that isn't yours. It essentially makes you her financial servant.
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Being a "financial servant" is no where even CLOSE to the emotional and physical trauma of rape. Give your fucking head a shake.
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Wooooow dude. Take a step back. If you think a one-and-done episode of violence is more traumatic than literally having your child ripped from you and the government stepping in tell you that not only did you just have everything you love shattered, but you also have to pay for it for essentially the rest of your life (18 years is a LONG fucking time), then Jibbers Fucking Crabst do you need to gain a little empathy. Holy fuck, how can you even think this is just about filing some paper work?
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Pretty sure this is called "victim shaming." Perfectly cromulent so long as the victim is male.
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Women are expensive to everyone involved. I mean, it makes sense that society would be organized around the needs of this gender, but women are literally destroying this planet with the biological imperative to reproduce.
Controlling / eliminating this nature is a matter of survival for humanity.
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Id rather serve my time in jail rather than give that bitch a dime.
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Transfer all my funds in the form of a trust to a family member. She won't be able to touch it.
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