One of Julian Assange's accusers is "known for her radical feminist views, once wrote a treatise on how to take revenge against men"

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Thank you for showing some reason.

It is not rape if a woman continues to have sex with you willingly.

This whole nonsense about a MAN requiring constant verbal affirmation from a WOMAN that "yes, it is okay to continue fucking me" is idiotic, and only exists due to feminist policy. It is there so any woman can claim you raped her after you've had consensual sex with her. Which is exactly what has happened here.

So I'd have to say this statement is patently false: "if a woman repeatedly tells you to stop during sex and you continue regardless, then that is rape."

That's just not true in every case. Whatever happened to prosecuting real rapes? Prosecuting cases where a man forcefully has sex with a woman against her will? Not just cases where a woman decided the man having sex with her didn't do every little thing she wanted in bed, so now consensual sex magically becomes rape?

Where has common sense gone?

Now I'll be labeled a "rape apologist" because I think actual rapes are vile but are quite distinguishable from consensual sex that a woman decided wasn't perfect in every way. I think I know the difference. I know and love people who have actually been raped. False accusers are the scum of the earth, and so are false rape apologists, which includes anyone who disagrees with the poster above.

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Why are you taking as a fact that all the accuser said must be true. She claims she asked him to stop and he didn't, he claims he didn't do such a thing. She is accusing him of a crime, therefore her claims must go under scrutiny as the accused is still innocent until proven guilty, remember? It is then when I scrutinize her claims that I see the story doesn't make sense. And doing that is very important, because her claims are the only proof in a case such as this, therefore her story needs to be consistent and probable.

The law unfortunately will often not take into account forms of communication other than words. Body language is crucial. If she said the words "you need to stop" but didn't say in a particularly convinced manner, and continued to have sex, her message to him is less than clear. What if she said it in a playful way, as if it was a joke? This is agains why her story needs to be probed, because her description of the events is very unlikely to have happened.

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Right, this is simply a matter of the law being followed.

Of course, Midnightsun, you have a list of all the other international Red Alerts issued for all the other men charged with 'not using a condom'....right? Should be easy if this isn't someone using Feminist Law to 'get revenge' on a guy? Especially if that "someone" happens to align PERFECTLY with the wishes of the "Defender of the Free World"?

What's that? This is the VERY FIRST TIME anyone has been charged with this 'crime'? You mean this isn't even a crime, but a 'test case' to try and make not using a condom a crime?

Hmmm, so we have two governments, using false accusations of rape, to both net a dissenter who actually damaged their operations, AND make Rape a crime that THE GOVERNMENT decides if it happened or not...

Nope, nothing to see here. No 'conspiracy' at all...nope, the assertion alone is ridiculous...

/sarcasm

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Seeing men in black suits in your closet? Helicopters circling your neighborhood?

If a woman says "no, not without a condom" and the man proceeds anyway, that may be a case for rape, my friend. The word "no" is very pivotal, you see. There may have been consent for sex, but not consent for unprotected sex. Capiche? I think any court in any Western nation would hear the case to see if it has any merit. If the defendant doesn't show up... then that certainly doesn't help his case, now does it?

The point is.. regardless of your views that it's all a big scheme to nab him in a different country, it doesn't exonerate him from any/all criminal activity or being accused. Just because he's a hero, doesn't give him immunity for sticking his dick into women who don't want unprotected sex. Otherwise, why have courts if all you have to be is popular and allegedly persecuted? I see this as no different to Roman Polanski.. or Dick Cheney. If someone brings up a case against you and it's spurious, then defend yourself. That's what lawyers are for. Don't be a pussy and run off to different countries in an attempt to hide and start shouting from your public interviews in the middle of Britain, "They're trying to kiiiiiiiiiiiiiill me!"

And that's Marc Emery is 10 times the man Assange will be.

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If a woman says "no, not without a condom" and the man proceeds anyway, that may be a case for rape, my friend. The word "no" is very pivotal, you see. There may have been consent for sex, but not consent for unprotected sex.

The subjectivity of this should scare the living shit out of any man in a country where this is the case. It's the very lack of objective descriptions of the crime of rape that renders it applicable pretty much whenever the hell a woman says so. Expanding that to include 'sex without a condom' if fucking ridiculous. If she was so against not using one, she could have told the guy "forget it, I'm going home". Forcing himself on her at that point would be rape, sure, but a criminal charge for not wearing a condom?

That's about the clearest evidence there is that Feminists want to criminalize male sexuality, and heterosexual sex. At the very least, to have men's entire future under the thumb of any woman they sleep with.

Now THAT is what I call "Power and Control"...

The point is.. regardless of your views that it's all a big scheme to nab him in a different country, it doesn't exonerate him from any/all criminal activity or being accused.

Except if I recall correctly, the 'crime' they are charging him with (maybe) is a crime that DOES NOT EXIST YET. It is a PROPOSED law that they want to make this a 'test case' of...retroactively.

You see nothing wrong with a government creating laws after the fact, then charging you with them? I sure as fuck do...

If someone brings up a case against you and it's spurious, then defend yourself. That's what lawyers are for. Don't be a pussy and run off to different countries in an attempt to hide and start shouting from your public interviews in the middle of Britain, "They're trying to kiiiiiiiiiiiiiill me!"

Right, because these governments that are creating reasons to arrest people out of whole cloth would be SURE to extend a 'fair trial' to this same person. Yup. Youbetcha.

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Except if I recall correctly, the 'crime' they are charging him with (maybe) is a crime that DOES NOT EXIST YET. It is a PROPOSED law that they want to make this a 'test case' of...retroactively.

Whatever is being spread on blogs is false. He's charged with one count of rape, two counts of sexual assault (a lesser charge).

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/7489119-julian-assange-wikileaks-founder-now-interpols-most-wanted-man

"It turns out that August this year, two women filed a case against Assange for rape and assault, but the judge dismissed the case due to insufficient evidence. But the case was reopened recently by the International Public Prosecution Office and has issued the European Arrest Warrant in order to get him."

Right, because these governments that are creating reasons to arrest people out of whole cloth would be SURE to extend a 'fair trial' to this same person. Yup. Youbetcha.

This has been something Sweden has been doing? No... it's just conspiracy theories based on WHO he is is getting to your head. You'd have no problem if Cheney was brought up on charges, neither would I. Politically, it doesn't matter. He should face the court. If it's found to be bullshit, he walks. What's so hard with that concept? That's what courts are for, not public and popular opinion.

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