Oxford Uni Debate: This is an excellent & sophisticated rebuttal to feminists attempts to call masculinity bad, problematic, harmful, "hurts men too", and using false toxic masculinity concept (NOTE: this is not a trad con "make men do old gender roles" argument at all, its quite the opposite)

It_was_mee_all_along · 2020-11-28T17:31:35+00:00

That was hard to understand, as English is not my primary language, is there someone smart who could give me brief summary of what she said?

jonnyhaldane · 2020-11-29T01:26:06+00:00

Am I the only one who thinks ‘society’s expectations of men’ is pretty low on the ladder of men’s problems?

It is an issue, but it’s used as this kinda vague way of pretending people are trying to help men, when it’s not. It’s this intangible thing that nobody can measure, change or legislate again.

Shit like actual equal treatment by the law is what men need

knee--jerk · 2020-11-29T11:30:40+00:00

It's worth it to watch the whole debate.

2020-11-30T21:14:49+00:00

I don't see this as a rebuttal to feminists because in order to even be having this debate the participants are accepting that there is something to the feminists argument.

Why not a debate on toxic behaviour commonly seen from women. False accusations are clearly one. Women coercing the reproduction of their intimate partners is clearly another.

All I see is a bunch of women spending too much time trying to control and coerce men into following a script they have written for us. I suggest we actively oppose all such attempts

"PART 1: FEMINSIM OFTEN SHAMES MEN FOR EXPRESSING THEIR VIEWS