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Portugal: The consequences of deliberately giving men less efficient vaccines.

November 5, 2021
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Four months ago I made a post about how Portugal went against the EMA recommendation and gave men under 50 the Janssen vaccine, which was shown to be particularly ineffective against the Delta variant (which is currently 100% of our Covid cases, back then 90%) and the more effective mRNA vaccines to women.

As my post points out, the data about Janssen being less effective against Delta was already available by then. In fact, it was just after that data was released that the Portuguese government made the decision to split the vaccines by gender. What wasn't known back then is that this gap increases even further with time, with Janssen vaccine's effectiveness going as low as 13% months after inoculation.

4 months later the consequences are unfortunately very clear for everyone to see. After nearly all population has been vaccinated the current rate of infection has been shown to be much higher for men than it is for women, with men in the 20 to 29 age group (vaccinated with Janssen vaccine while women with Pfizer and Moderna) currently have double the rate of infection of women. Experts have attributed this difference to young and middle-aged men being administered the Janssen vaccine (to nobody's surprise) and are recommending booster shots. Source in portuguese.

This is one of the many cases when I hate being right. I knew in advance this was going to happen and so did those responsible. Covid-19 already kills men disproportionately, the Portuguese government managed to extend that gap to the number of infections, and most likely future long-term effects of the disease.

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Title Portugal: The consequences of deliberately giving men less efficient vaccines.
Author TheSpaceDuck
Upvotes 1003
Comments 154
Date November 5, 2021 2:33 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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[–]TheRabid 338 points339 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

It’s unfortunate that Portugal is sexist.

[–]frax5000 65 points66 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Yeah if only the Iberian union lasted longer

[–]TheSpaceDuck[S] 123 points124 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Trust me, Spain is not any better.

[–]DraganTehPro 77 points78 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Lmao someone should post this in r/Feminism and see how quickly it gets removed 🤣

They are for equality, aren't they? So they should hear all about this inequality going on. /s

[–]LittleThinket 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah. Been there done that. They made a post about this law made by a man that effects woman. Reading the law though I didn't understand how it effected woman and not men so I merely asked. I never made rude or judgemental comments and was sincere in my asking yet the next thing I knew I was banned. That right there told me everything I need to know. "YOU CAN'T QUESTION them at all, correct them, or ask them questions. What's was really creepy were how all the other comments said the same thing basically like saying "amen to that sister". There's no debate or healthy questioning allowed.

[–]frax5000 30 points31 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Oh fuck

[–]ambeldit 43 points44 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

That's why I'm a convinced left wing voter, but I'm not going to vote anymore an antimale party. So I'll stay at home during elections, because all left parties here in Spain are against us.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It seems that after that "La Manada" case in Spain everything went to shit pretty fast.

You're probably the 7th or 8th spaniard I've encountered on the internet making a comment like this. Historic left voter, now voting right or not at all.

[–]catalyst44 10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Vote Redistribution? Over here to protest shit like this we annul our vote by scribbling random stuff on the vote bulletin. If you don't vote it gets redistributed later

[–]findMyNudesSomewhere 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Where is this? In India we just tick/press a button, no option to scribble anything. Also, if we don't vote, it's not counted as any vote, or basically like a NOTA

[–]Important-Visual-563 18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh man. That's just horrible

[–]Emanon-L 18 points19 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Very interesting info, but sometimes I pray that God takes away my ability to read.

[–]contraterrene 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Black but wonderful humor, thank you.

[–]TomCat2005 22 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This honestly disgusts me. They’re basically rewarding women for domestically abusing their partners because their legal system is so stupid and misguided by feminism it can’t recognise that men can be victims of anything nor women perpetrators.

[–]danielultra 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

this literally means that the best way to maintain a normal life in spain is being an incel and hating women and avoiding them at all cost or you could very easily lose your life, what in the fuck is wrong with them.

[–]just_a_pt 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Eat shit

[–]ThePigmanAgain -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They tried, but the Iberian Republican Army kept blowing shit up.

[–]ThePigmanAgain 19 points20 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

At times like these i think, "Maybe we SHOULD let the Muslims take over the West. At least then our sons and grandsons would get to enjoy the male privilege they supposedly already have."

[–]Panderjit_SinghVV 97 points98 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

An open crime against humanity. The International Criminal Court should act.

No, I’m not being hyperbolic.

[–]-who_are_u- 76 points77 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Yeah wtf, imagine purposefully using a weak vaccine in any other group of people (eg. black people, or people with autism).

I'm truly speechless, holy fuck.

[–]peanutbutterjams 48 points49 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

In my country Canada, indigenous 18 year olds were being vaccinated before 74 year olds with high-risk conditions.

It was a race-based vaccination policy when 95% of all COVID deaths were people over the age of 65.

This is what happens when you let wokeism gain control of a government.

[–]TheSnowglobeFromHell 22 points23 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

The source in Portuguese OP presented says they are mulling giving men boosters in the form of additional shots of the Janssen vaccine. I live in Brazil and even here I was able to get a better vaccine. Holy shit they really are trying to have their male population killed.

[–]-who_are_u- 2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Eu também sou brasileiro, eu achava que na Europa as coisas estavam melhores, mas aparentemente tá tudo fodido igual.

[–]Namedoesntmatter89 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Nao amigo, if you want free money in brasil, you need to be a politician or police. I am in canada and sometimes free money just shows up for being poor.

Right now, our government is giving 375$ / month for having a baby. I also have type 1 diabetes and if i have no money, the government will pay for all my medical expenses. In addition, b/c the government has recognized diabetes to be a disability... they actually give us the opportunity to start an investment plan. they give about 20k $ over 20 years for having opened the plan, will match the amount of contribution for a total of maybe 5000$ ? i cant remember that part exactly.

Now i also had a student loan. I was a registered nurse (which i quit b/c i never want to deal with that again and i owed 90k $ in student loans long story). I moved to somewhere very cold, im talking -40 degrees celsius in the winter cold. In exchange the government has paid the equivalent of about 1/2 my student loan off for me while i decided to retrain and study online... I did online courses, ended up managing to almost have another degree in computer science, and now i am almost debt free.

Not everyone has gotten the good deal i have had, but i assure you, most of our systems in the west still work although i fear for europes future. North america on the other hand, is still doing very well.

[–]converter-bot 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

-40 degrees celsius is -40.0 degrees fahrenheit

[–]findMyNudesSomewhere 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

I don't agree that NA is doing well. Canada? Yeah, for sure. US? Nope.

[–]Namedoesntmatter89 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Compared to what?

[–]findMyNudesSomewhere 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Healthcare, education loans, cost of living, general happiness index of the population.

Compared to other countries on these points, US, while still ranking high, is losing its lead pretty damn fast

[–]Namedoesntmatter89 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I think you might be misinformed about how bad economies can get lol.

Right now, the entire world is going through a logistical crisis. Inflation everywhere is a problem at the moment.

And to be frank, healthcare costs, educational loans, and general happiness aren't a measure of the entire economy. And also, i was comparing to brazil...

There are DEFINITELY people getting screwed in the US, but dude, you need to realize that the US is a complex country with states with vastly different economic situations.

All i can say is, USA is doing just fine compared the overwhelming majority of the world. The economies everywhere seem to be making 0 sense right now though :D

[–]findMyNudesSomewhere 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Fair enough.

Most of my disappointment with US is with the student loan and healthcare systems only.

I completely fail to understand why folk are OK with the sky high medical costs, more or less forcing insurance. Then again, insurance doesn't really cover the costs properly either. I don't get why the Canada model (completely free good healthcare for all for somewhat medium taxes) or the India model (completely free shitty healthcare for almost no taxes, but private players give good healthcare for a reasonable cost) aren't palatable to US folk.

I also find it inscrutable why US education is so expensive while they give a lot of scholarships to Indian/Chinese kids. Though I will say this is in part due to folk doing dead end degrees. Afaik, STEM fields for degrees or trade schools make it so that you can pay off your loans in 2-5 years or so, which is quite sensible. Doing Lesbian Feminist Dance Therapy as your major is not going to allow you to pay off your loans for sure.

[–]2340859764059860598 74 points75 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Men die of Covid, Women most affected.

[–]PS_0123 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

😂😂😂

[–]Noob_master_slayer 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Asteroid kills humanity, women and children most affected.

[–]MintIceCreamPlease 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Humanity overprotects women, and by doing that underestimate their capabilities (both good and bad), AND hurts men, and in the end, everyone as a result. We're dumb.

[–]Uzzer_lozer19 72 points73 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's sad to hear but it's interesting articles, posts and papers. Thanks

[–]SamaelET 44 points45 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Can we hace the source in archive ? It is behind a paywall. And what about trying to post in r/Portugal ?

[–]Fix_20 38 points39 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

r/Portugal? Would be removed in seconds

[–]sikwidit05 14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Every city/country's main sub is a leftist cesspool eh? Damn man, you hate to see it.

[–]DonDuarte 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Portugal has another popular sub called r/portugueses which leans more towards the right wing. It won't get deleted there.

r/Portugal bans anyone with a right wing opinion, it's a FDS kind of sub. Mods enjoying their power trip.

[–]quantainium_pasta 30 points31 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Does Portugal not have gender equality laws? How have they not ruled this to be blatant gender discrimination?

[–]intactUS_throwaway 37 points38 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because men don't actually matter. We're pack mules, ATMs, and sperm banks. Nothing besides.

[–]peanutbutterjams 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because "equity", not equality. "Equity" is a fantasy version of equality where people 'held down by society' are given a 'boost' by the government to "actually make things equitable".

Equity is a math with no known integers. It's a cover story for bigotry.

[–]EpicHajsownik 24 points25 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

>mens immune system being worse than womens

>give them worse vaccines

[–]Valuable_Passion4938 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Wait are our immune systems actually worse then women’s?

[–]EpicHajsownik 15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

sadly yes. There are reasons that we die so early sadly.
Of course feminist will say that its all about the suicides

[–]TheRiverInEgypt 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are reasons that we die so early sadly.

& here I always thought it was because god is merciful….

[–][deleted] 79 points80 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Is this the male privilege I keep hearing about?

Hopefully the men start dropping out of society and becoming more independent. Fuck the misandrist governments and cultures. Everyday it seems like a new country falls prey to feminism and encourages the treatment of men as disposable and/or second class citizens all the while men sacrifice and slave away to keep those societies running.

[–]TomCat2005 26 points27 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Indeed, and worse still, men can’t speak out against the blatant injustice for fear of being denounced a sexist woman hater, or worse.

[–]MintIceCreamPlease 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

We've associated "disputing pseudo-equality decisions" to "being anti-feminist must mean we're anti-women".

[–]Itrusttheinternett 52 points53 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Up vote this to the front page.

[–]Rifter0876 36 points37 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

10-4. Thanks op. I'll add Portugal to my list of countries to sexist to bother visiting.

[–]SamaelET 4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

How long is your list at this point ?

[–]Rifter0876 13 points14 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Uk, Portugal, Australia.

Sadly where I live, canada, is not far behind.....

[–]SamaelET 12 points13 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Singapore India and Spain are pretty high on my list

[–]Rifter0876 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I forgot India but thats probably because I for whatever reason just never felt like ever going there anyways, but yeah its on the list.

[–]SenorPoofles2018 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

As an Indian, please don't. I got out of there and am trying every trick in the book to not go back.

[–]Rifter0876 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't blame you, thats part of the reason I never wanted to go I think is because I have many Indian friends and have herd many stories, it just doesn't sound like a fun place to be to be honest.

[–]chickenmomos_js 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hey bro, do you mind if I PM you ?

[–]SenorPoofles2018 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not at all, Sure thing, go ahead.

[–]DonDuarte 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Come and spend your money here. We are poor. The feminists here will jump on you if you have money, don't worry about it.

[–]Kindly-Town 66 points67 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Both the minster of health and the director of DGS (the authority that decides which vaccines are to be used, who they're administered to, etc.) are women.

Not surprising. Feminists love to take revenge from men. Leadership opportunity is their playground, not a responsibility.

[–]intactUS_throwaway 43 points44 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Men of Portugal, drop out of society. Together. Build your own.

[–]SL1NDER 26 points27 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Portugal 2: Electric Boogaloo

[–]Cirmit 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

With blackjack! And... Not hookers?

[–]intactUS_throwaway 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

🤣

That's my line! 😛

[–]facsnahm1 90 points91 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I am a portuguese man under 50 who was vaccinated with Janssen and I had no idea about this wtf. Thank you

EDIT: Some of you idiots need to chill with those anti-vaccination ideas tho. You come across as plain stupid.

[–]The_Great_Sarcasmo 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I live in Portugal. I'm 45. I got Moderna. Just lucky I guess.

[–]dungeonmonkey69 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

💯

[–]DirtyPartyMan 22 points23 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Looking at every war ever fought and who died in them I’m not surprised.

Men are the disposable sex

[–]scaredofshaka 19 points20 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Inching ever closer to male genocide

[–]-who_are_u- 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Literally biological warfare through negligence.

[–]Valuable_Passion4938 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bold of you to assume it hadn’t already begun this is just them trying to kill us off

[–]TheAynRandFan 17 points18 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm a woman. This is horrifying proof that men are NOT the privileged in western society. We are, and we need to take responsibility.

[–]excess_inquisitivity 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is there a long term reference post for significant events like this? Because there should be a long term reference post for significant events like this.

[–]Odd-Box-3578 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m only not surprised, the things government has been doing with Covid and vaccines like killing dogs, holding vaccines hostage from many countries or making life harder for the unvaccinated. This shit is about control and this just seems like population control cause why the hell would they do this?

[–]john_nash1 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

WTF! I can't believe this is actually true!

[–]KingKookus 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

What if you just identified as a woman?

[–]leachlurker 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Damn this super depressing that nobody is freaking out about this Sexism other then us ):

[–]amenj 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Holy shit this is so fucked up

[–]awsedjikol 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Post on r/feminism please. They say they are about equality.

[–]Beckamabobby 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Jesus...

[–]Mayans94 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

How is this not a human rights violation? They're literally killing off men because they are men. Fucking disgusting.

[–]DonDuarte 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Here I am. Portuguese, 25 years old. Not vaccinated. Never caught covid. I'm just careful around others, wearing a mask in crowded places doesn't bug me. You can choose which vaccine you want if you ask them for X vaccine in the vaccination center. Maybe not during the vaccination period, but now you can. I still choose to not get anything. There's a lot of shady stuff about covid. If it gets cleared I'll give it another thought.

Portugal's government is a joke. We've stagnated for 20+ years under socialist rule. They fuck up, bring the country into bankruptcy and the people keep voting for them. I'm eager for the day I get out of this shithole. I love my country. We have great sea, food, sunlight, landscapes. Tourism is great and people are mostly nice to each other. But after you realise that you pay high taxes like the rich countries, receive low wages like the poor countries and people under democracy keep voting for that. There's no solution for stupidity.

[–]DouglasWallace 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Portugal is subject to EU and international law, by its own constitution., which also promises legal protection against any form of discrimination.

There are presumably lawyers who are aware of this and doing something about it (I don't know more than three words of Portuguese and can't check). Give them what support you can, drum up other public support for the government to be taken to the International Criminal Court if it wont allow itself to be judged by a national court.

[–]liebestod0130 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

They may have been doing this because the mRNA vaccines seem to result in higher rates of myocarditis/pericarditis in men vs. the adenovirus vaccines. The converse is true for women: adenovirus vaccines seem to result in higher rates of thrombocytopenia in them vs in men.

[–]TheSpaceDuck[S] 10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The latter (Janssen vaccine having had most cases of thrombosis in women) was the official excuse given, as the original post states.

However these were a handful of cases worldwide and not really more relevant than with any other vaccines. Proportionally, it was smaller than the rate of myocarditis among those under 18 and we gave them mRNA vaccines anyway. As I stated originally, the excuse given does not match the EMA recommendation.

[–]ThePigmanAgain 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck. How is that even legal? Is Portugal a feminist nightmare now? I don't think even SWEDEN did that shit!

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

So would one say this is Genocide!!

[–]TheSpaceDuck[S] 28 points29 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Let's not make the same ridiculous claims that feminists make. Genocide is a completely different (and way more serious) matter.

What happened here is a country with limited resources (we were running very low on vaccines when the measures were taken) doing what is always done: prioritizing women's lives at all cost (even if that cost is men's lives).

We should condemn it for what it is: a total lack of empathy and concern for the lives of men. No need to throw around absurd genocide accusations.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for your comment.

I don't follow feminist movements and am not aware of the claims they make. I can see in this light that my comment is not required actually and regret posting it.

[–]Lui_Le_Diamond 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's definitely suspicious

[–]ne14611braska 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

How exactly do the sources you quote support your assertions? I looked them up, and they're to do with US veterans, and are age and gender adjusted. I call BS.

[–]TheSpaceDuck[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That is just the latest study, which I added in this post. Previous post's sources showed the inefficacy of Janssen vaccine against Delta in particular and lower efficacy in general.

Source for lower efficacy

Source for 33% Delta efficacy

[–]prosafame 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm portuguese. It is bullshit. Nothing in the portuguese source proves in any way what he's saying. I've literally never heard this mentioned or criticized, never heard about this anywhere. I’m actually surprised at the amount of people seemingly falling for it.

[–]ne14611braska 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm Polish! Witam. Thought not..

[–]pentalana 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like a genocide against men! Incredible that there is not more outrage.

[–]Ready_Inevitable2718 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I absolutely agree that this was a mistake on portugal's part. However, you posting it on this particular sub implies you think it was sexist and i disagree with that. Do you think the portugese govt is trying to kill it's men... why? What would they have to gain? The majority of the portugese govt is male so this would be a massive movement by men and women to secretly kill men. As theories go, this one is insane. But you might ask, why was it approved for men under 50 but not women? That's a fair question with a simple answer. There was concern in portugal about the rare side effect of blood clotting in mrna vaccines. J&J did not have this problem. However J&J had it's own rare side effect of thrombosis that was most common in women under 50. Thus, men under 50 were encouraged to get J&J while women under 50 were not. I think this was a silly decision made out of fear without taking enough time to consider the science but calling it sexist is a hard arguement to make if you look into the context.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/JJUpdate.html

https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/2021-06-13/janssen-vaccine-now-recommended-for-men-over-18/60385

[–]TheSpaceDuck[S] 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Ok let me try to reply to your questions one by one.

1. why? What would they have to gain?

At the time the decision was made Portugal was running low on vaccines. So much that in fact vaccination for some groups halted entirely. And our government had promised to reach the 70% threshold by September (if I remember correctly) which at that rate they wouldn't. The answer was to buy a lot of J&J vaccines which are one-dose only, that way people would be "fully vaccinated" after inoculation and not 3 weeks later, allowing them to reach the 70% threshold in time (this is, in fact, what happened). We even exchanged Pfizer Vaccines with J&J vaccines from other countries.

Why only men? First reason, because someone had to. They had to give those J&J vaccines and as usual protecting women comes first, so men were the remainder. On top of that the ruling party was trying to warm up to other parties (their failure to do so caused the current political crisis) including BE, a hardcore feminist party. So it's pretty much two birds, one stone here. Obviously the objective was not "killing men". Someone had to take the blow.

2. The majority of the portugese govt is male

Both the minister of health and the head of DGS (the authority leading the Covid-19 response) are women. On top of that, the previous fact of the ruling party trying to get closer to BE also matters here.

3. There was concern in portugal about the rare side effect of blood clotting in mrna vaccines. J&J did not have this problem. However J&J had it's own rare side effect of thrombosis that was most common in women under 50

As I stated before, the thrombosis was the official argument given. However it falls apart the moment mRNA vaccines were given to youngest age groups (whose vaccination was not part of the 70% plan, see point 1) even though the myocarditis risk from mRNA vaccines in younger groups is higher than the J&J thrombosis risk on women. As I also stated, they went against EMA recommendation on this matter.

4. I think this was a silly decision made out of fear without taking enough time to consider the science

They did have time to consider it. As I pointed out in the post, the decision was made soon after data about J&J's inefficacy against Delta variant was widely available. We could speculate all day about which intentions played the biggest role but for sure the decision was made with full knowledge of the consequences. Even I back then was alerting towards it in my post and I'm far from an expert. People working for the government are so they definitely knew what the consequences would be.

[–]Ready_Inevitable2718 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

As i repeatedly stressed, this was a dumb decision. It was a massive failing by the portugese govt. But this comment section is full of people screaming male genocide. It seemed nessacary to provide context. In their rush to get to 70% they did value hitting the number over providing the best care they could. I simply said, it doesn't seem sexist. To put the all important question in a more direct way, is it more likely that the portugese govt encouraged J&J for men because of the blood clot side effect, which dominated the media at the time, or that they were attempting to exterminate men?

[–]TheSpaceDuck[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

But this comment section is full of people screaming male genocide.

There are a few unfortunately, but as you might've noticed I've been correcting some of these comments myself. They bring nothing useful to the table.

I simply said, it doesn't seem sexist.

It's sexist in a "someone has to take the blow, so let it be men" kind of way. Not in a "let's exterminate men" kind of way as some have suggested.

[–]Ready_Inevitable2718 -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That explanation of yours would only make sense if j&j wasn't also recommended for women over 50. Did they want women over 50 to take the hit too? Why don't they make the cut?

[–]TheSpaceDuck[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women (and men) over 50 were mostly vaccinated when that decision was made. That's why no change was needed to reach those 70% in that group.

Obviously, as I said, the thrombosis cases were the official excuse. However, as I have also stated, the cases of those were much rarer than e.g. myocarditis from mRNA vaccines in younger groups, which the government had no problem with. It was also against the EMA recommendation which we had been following up until then. The government's statement is inconsistent with their own actions.

[–]TheNakedMars 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Can someone explain to me why Portugal is allowed to be a country?

[–]PS_0123 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is disgusting but not surprising. Men are seen and treated as disposable by society after all but "the wage gap" and "manspreading" are the real issues here.

[–]rabel111 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

State sanctioned crime against humanity. Where is the outrage.....................

UN silent.

[–]PrimeWolf88 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men are more likely to die from COVID too, making this look a lot like state sponsored genocide of men.

[–]LittleThinket 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not just Portugal. Well, I am not certain about the vaccines and how they effect men and woman here, but I have read that more men are dying statistically than woman here in the us. A lot more. So maybe this also means that even here the vaccines are less effective on men? Or maybe there is something about covid that is more harmful to men? Idk either though men seem to be more effected by this pandemic.

[–]BloodyUserOfNames 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]MintIceCreamPlease 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Spain has indeed a huge "solving social issue" problem. Don't know where that comes from, but it seems it's really a sucker for PC policies and ideas. Disgusts me and puts equality to shame.

[–]The_Great_Ginge -4 points-3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry, they're all mRNA vaccines, despite what you've read about J&J. It uses a viral vector to deliver mRNA.

Worse spoiler: They're all very ineffective.

Worser spoiler: They reduce your immunity to coronaviruses.

Sorry. You all lost.

I'm omitting the worserer spoilers out of pity, but, hint: the spike protein is really, really toxic.

[–]East-Tailor-3470 -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Pfizer vaccine is only 20% effective against delta varient and has a huge side effect from heart inflation to organ failure.

Israel has 100% coverage of each and every person with Pfizer but yet when delta broke out the infection rate was skyrocket

Don't play these kind of cards unnecessary.Europe under the pressure from US rejected AstraZeneca and injected these vaccine which hasn't been researched properly . AstraZeneca has been tested by over 1 million people and UK injected 70% of population with it and look at the hospitalization rate there

IT IS THE MISTAKE OF THE GOBT TO TRUST THESE VACCINE WITHOUT GIVING CHANCE TO ASTRAZENECA

[–]datfunnymeme -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I now wish Muslims take over the world, I don't care about anything now... It's just enough... I'm going to promote Islam from today.

[–]Double_Pickaxe_YT -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You do realize NONE of the vaccines work, right? This isn't even misandry. This is just people taking a "vaccine". Stop taking this thing, honestly.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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