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President Obama is requested to announce the establishment of a White House Council on Boys and Men, parallel to the White House Council on Women and Girls.

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June 20, 2014

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https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/create-council-boys-and-men-fulfill-needs-americas-boys-and-men/tyGzDkz8

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Title	President Obama is requested to announce the establishment of a White House Council on Boys and Men, parallel to the White House Council on Women and Girls.
Author	[deleted]
Upvotes	222
Comments	48
Date	June 20, 2014 2:34 PM UTC (9 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/28n6hf/president_obama_is_requested_to_announce_the/
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This is a legitimate concern that I have and I think we need to consider this. Futrelle is doubtful, but somebody like Michael Kimmel is a very serious possibility. There are several feminists like Kimmel who are willing to pretend to care about men's issues, and I fear if Obama were to create a Council for Men and Boys, people like Warren Farrell would have no part in it, and instead it would just be another opportunity for feminists to say "look at how much we care about men!" while continuing to promote an anti-male agenda. I mean, take a look at NOMAS, the group with Michael Kimmel as their spokesperson that claims to be working to enhance the lives of men. Divorced fathers should not attempt to get custody, and instead just need to support the mother as much as possible. Male victims of domestic violence aren't really victims. And they trot out the "nearly 100% of rapists are men" stat that only includes rapists who penetrate their victims, because that's apparently how NOMAS views rape. On those rare occasions that feminists are willing to acknowledge men's issues, Kimmel and NOMAS are who they turn to. And unfortunately I worry that a White House Council on Men and Boys would do nothing more than promote these same views.

I'm actually curious if Dr. Farrell or anyone else has addressed this. I'm sure Farrell has thought of this before too.

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In another thread, we have someone screaming about how evil Republicans are for supporting male rape.

Er.... what? I don't even understand the male rape Republican connection. I can't speak for other people here but the Obama sexual assault letter to schools, the wage gap lies, and the move to block drafting women by his administration all piss me off immensely. Everyone here says this every day. Also is this subreddit really majority left? No idea. I think there was a survey awhile back but I forgot.

Do you want me to call Obama bad names? Would that make you feel better? Politics is not a religion. There are no good and bad guys. Only good and bad policies. Some other Obama policies I hated: his regulatory appointees giving blowjobs to the banksters, his NSA surveillance state, his opposition to Elisabeth Warren to head Consumer Protection (say what you like about her, consumer protection was her thing), and the politically driven fucked up health insurance exchange rollout.

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[–]MattClark0994 -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

Yet another "Republicans are the same as Democrats" comment...from a Democrat.

And if you actually paid attention you would know Bush did at least one thing right when it comes to "mens issues"...he, despite mass criticism from the liberal media, allowed colleges to use SURVEYS to gauge student interest in sports, which he then allowed Colleges to uses to satisfy Title IX.

Before he did this, Colleges around the US were killing off mens sports to have "proportionality", which means if 60% of students on campus are female (national avg), then they have to represent roughly that % in sports.

What did Obama do when it came into office? Killed that policy off.

What is Obama doing now? Waging a war on mens due process rights and pandering to females by opening even more female only goody programs like White House councils dedicated to them. Name me some policies that Bush enacted that were half as bad as what we are seeing now?

What did Laura Bush (wife of George Bush) do and say when they were in office? I quote:

"I feel like, in the United States, that we've sort of shifted our gaze away from boys for the last several decades, and that we've neglected boys," Mrs. Bush says.

"We believe the stereotypes that boys can be self-reliant, that boys don't cry," she adds. "And the fact is, all young children — boys or girls — and all adolescents do need a lot of support and a lot of nurturing from their parents and their teachers and the whole community."

Name me even one time Obama or Michelle said anything that could even slightly be represented as giving a shit about men/boys? Laura was even involved in a boy support program.

I see this SUPPORTIVE attitude toward mens issues from conservatives often, yet never see it when it comes to liberals...wonder why that is?

Downvote all you want, liberal male hate and feminist appeasing are one (of very many) reasons why I will never vote for a Democrat and this is shown even further when you look at the polls of who they (liberals) plan on nominating.

Sorry, no Hillary 2016 for me.

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I don't see any issues in which the Democrats are truly good. They pretend, but they carry out 90% of the same policies. They fuck over poor people too. They do nothing about the employment situation -- and offering unemployment extensions isn't actually doing jack shit. Most states will hound you off of their roles long, long, long before those extensions run out anyway.

The Democrats are liars, mostly. They pretend to believe in things they never actually do. They spit in your face, and then act like you are the problem for demanding what was promised to you. They promise card check, then destroy unions. They promise health care, then force you to buy insurance that won't actually cover a damn thing.

I see most progressives as con-men who tell you that they're going to help you, and then simply pick your pocket. They are worse than Republicans, because a Republican tells you what he will actually do once in office. A Democrat sells you a pack of lies and then stabs you in the back while cackling with his bankster buddies.

Why should I trust a group of people like that?

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[–]Samurai007_ 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

How many Republicans do you personally know and talk to, because I don't recognize that caricature as being anywhere close to reality. For myself, I'm agnostic, scientific, been at or below the poverty line most of my life and don't favor the 1% at all, and don't care a bit about deregulating banks. I'm very conservative, but not for any of the reasons you posted there. It's because I believe in individual rights and freedoms rather than lumping people into groups based on gender, race, etc. I believe in the Constitution, smaller and decentralized government, lower taxes, and less red tape. I believe in equal opportunities for all, but special rights and privileges for none. I believe in using our natural resources responsibly (drill baby drill!) rather than banning oil exploration, blocking pipelines, and putting coal out of business. I'm from a rural area and I love nature, but environmentalism is not limitless and needs to be tempered by the needs of man and the economy. I believe in small businesses and the private sector, not government agencies that are often corrupt and inefficient.

That is why I'm a conservative (and Republican too, because it's the closest thing to a conservative party in the US, though it's imperfect), and so to me, it's not weird at all that conservatives and Republicans support equal opportunities for men. It only seems strange to you because of your misconception of why most people are conservative or Republican.

[–]chocoboat 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Let me clarify... I was talking about Republican politicians, not Republican voters. Those two groups have very different values.

I would support Republican economic policy if we didn't have an income inequality problem. But you can't have 30 years of redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the top 1% and then level the playing field and call it a fair game - the game's already been rigged, and needs to be rebalanced before a level playing field with no handouts will function.

I know that most Republicans are good people who want smaller government and sensible economic policy... and as a liberal I recognize that the biggest threat to the continued strength and safety of the US is our own government.

But then I see the Republican politicians who spend all their time talking about banning gay marriage, giving Christians special treatment, banning abortion, and opposing any changes to a terrible health care system... and then when elected, outspend Democrats and cut benefits to needy people (we can't afford it!) while finding billions to use on corporate tax cuts and war spending.

I kinda don't get why Republican politicians are so different from the people who vote for them. Democratic politicians hold the same values as their voters, they're just terrible at getting anything done.

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