Saw this on imgur. A man holding intactivist signs along a street. Wish I had the balls to do more than just complain on the internet.

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You know I've heard this a lot, that circumsized men have little to no feeling in their penis, but this isn't the case for me. Personally, I like it.

You are talking about something as if you understood it.... How can you possibly understand what a foreskin is like if you've never had one... Its like saying you know what a clitoris is like.

The foreskin contains 50%+ of the nerves on the penis, and the most sensitive nerves. The foreskin contains the same kinds of nerves that exist on your lips, or the palms of your hands. The kinds of nerves that allow very fine touch. The nerves left over on the glans can sense pressure, and temperature.

You've basically said...

I have no idea what I'm actually missing, since I've never felt it before in my life, because it was removed at birth. But I like it!

You should be mad it was done without your consent. Take a place like Sweden or Denmark where circumcision rates are less than 5%. (If your wondering, Jews and Muslims.) Anyone who reaches 18 can always visit a urologist and get this done (like getting a tattoo done). Do you know who gets this done at 18? Fucking no one. Unless they have a medical reason like phimosis, ... and even then in 96% of cases that is treatable with a cream.

So basically, we have this situation where people like you (sorry man), feel the need to defend their cut dicks, because the truth, that you are sexually diminished (sorry again man), is painful. All this does is help other cut dicked people tell themselves its OK to make their sons look like them. Because its OK!

Yes. It is painful! Sorry!

Thanks for deciding not to cut your future son.

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I'm cut and enjoy the hell out of sex. My dick is sensitive. Who the hell can tell me that I should be mad? I have a son whom I didn't have circumcised because it's his choice. But nobody needs people like yourself manufacturing a sense of victimhood in people who don't feel victimised. Isn't it enough that the practice stopped with us and our sons? Isn't it enough that we recognize the immorality of it?

The way I see it, the Western world needs to divorce itself from our love of feeling victimised and pitying ourselves. Surely it's the mark of a well aligned person who recognises having been wronged and doesn't waste time and emotion feeling sorry for themselves and buying the victim complex you're selling. It happened, we're over it.

My dick is immensely pleasurable for me and I couldn't change it if I wanted to. And I have no desire to feel victimised. Go peddle it elsewhere.

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manufacturing a sense of victimhood in people who don't feel victimised.

In cutting cultures, the perpetrators of the act are all cut.
The perpetrators do not feel like they are victims.
They are doing their children a kindness, it is never done out of spite.
Genital cutting is desirable, it confers social status.

You don't feel victimized. Good for you! I do, and others like me also do.

My dick is immensely pleasurable for me and I couldn't change it if I wanted to.

You could restore a ersatz foreskin via tugging the remaning skin encouraging it to grow. This would greatly improve the sensitivity and function of your penis. It would not bring back the nerves, but it would put the remaining nerves to better use.

You could also cover the glans to cause de-keratinization. There is a product I wear for this ManHood

Thanks for the feedback.

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Isn't it enough that the practice stopped with us and our sons? Isn't it enough that we recognize the immorality of it?

There's a fine line between "whining about being a victim," and "clamoring for the human rights of men" when it comes to circumcision. You can't really ban something as a human rights violation without demonstrating that it victimizes people in an inhumane way. There are far too many people out there who are rooted in the mindset of, "I turned out ok, so junior is getting the snip, too." The only way to break the cycle is to get through to them that circumcision is actually really fucked up. It's hard for a lot of men to admit that their junk has been 'damaged'. How would you try to get around this barrier? (For what it's worth, FGM faces the same issues. Typically, the women of the affected tribes are the strongest proponents of continuing those practices- because they believe it worked for them.)

Like it or not, you are a victim of genital mutilation- that's just what it is. You don't have to wallow in it. I'm sure your penis is a very nice penis that works just fine. You can celebrate that fact, you can wave it around and proclaim it as a demigod for all I care. All we want is for circumcised men to acknowledge that something really fucked up was done to them, and that there is definitely a quantifiable harm associated with it, and that that practice should be outlawed. The goal is to save baby boys from going under the knife- I don't give a fuck how you personally feel about your dick and whether you feel like a victim.

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Ok, I think the easiest comparison I can make is to deaf people. Most deaf people have perfectly fine lives and don't even "miss" hearing. Still, they recognize that due to some malfunction or injury, they're missing a sense. They don't feel like victims; they just recognize that they are missing something that normally they would have.

A fairly large minority of deaf people are militant in the stance that 'deaf is better.' They go so far as to trying to make sure any children they have are born deaf, and protest against cochlear implants (which medically restore hearing for certain classes of deaf people.)

That circumcision irreparably damages the penis is an objective fact. It has nothing to do with how you feel. Unfortunately, we live in a world where for circumcision, the vast majority of people fall into the latter category. If we got to the point where people would shift from the latter to the former category, we would likely have the clout to actually get circumcision banned. Unfortunately, you apparently think the people in the former category count as "victims".

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I'm aware that I have less say in this, since I'm female, but my experiences with exes that are uncut has been the opposite of what you are describing. One constantly had problems with cleaning it because of the foreskin and had very little sensitivity in it, almost nothing. Another chose to actually cut the "string" that holds the foreskin up, because it was so tight that sex was painful. My experience with circumcised guys have been the exact opposite; they are all sensitive and functual, and all of them are OK with it being done to them as a kid, even though they didn't get to chose. All I'm saying is that my experience with guys that are cut and uncut are in direct opposition to your statistics, something I find interesting.

"Contrary to popular belief, circumcised woman do have orgasms and even as often as uncircumcised women." That is correct, even though the studies to back that up is not very well researched. Yes, they can have a vaginal orgasm, but that's not an easy thing to experience for most women. Basically, female circumcision is done purely for the removal of pleasure (it is NOT done for health and hygene reasons like mens) and it's essentially the same as cutting off your entire penis head. That's the equivalent of it, which is why it's not really comparable to male circumcision. I agree that both male and female circumcisions should be a grown-up persons choice, not the parents.

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I kind of look at it like this: if a procedure isn't medically justifiable, then it should require consent of the patient. It's cosmetic, and therefore the parents or no one but the patient should really be able to make that decision.

Imagine if parents were forcing their kids to get plastic surgery for example. Or face piercings, tattoos etc. You could certainly say that the tattoo of a dick on your ass has no effect on your life, but having someone else make that decision for you is the problem. Circumcision is the parents saying "I want my kids dick to look like X" and is no different than 'i want my kid to have a dick on his ass.".

I think people here definitely exaggerate how harmful circumcision can be (although it's not a painless experience at all, just ask anyone who has had it done as an adult.) However outside of very extreme phismosis I'm not aware of any medical reason to perform the procedure.

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So parents can't get their kid a chemical peel for scars?

Edit: You know, when you fucking down vote the shit out of people engaging you in a respectful discussion, you're shooting down a prime opportunity to have a meaningful dialogue about your cause. Why should I even care when there is no invitation for discussion? Why should I view you as someone who has something to say that I want to know more about? You clearly don't want to read my QUESTION, which may have no bearing on where I fall on the issue. BTW, I was on the side of no circumcision of infants.

THIS is the problem of reddit that is driving me away. Childish down vote brigades of people wanting to discuss something. You're telling me you don't want to talk to me, you just want me to go away. Great job changing my mind. Fuck responding, I no longer care. I will go look at cat pictures.

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so you are barely 2/3 there compared to full 19 years of rubbing the exposed glans against the underwear if you were circed at birth. You are not even at the stage comparable to the period of sexual initiation of birth-circed people, on average probably around the end of high school, you are an equivalent of an early teen.
A dude your age, circed at birth would already experience 31 years of keratinization, 2.5x what you currently have on your scoresheet. At 50 years many guys are still active and it's when shit starts to seriously malfunction - 50 years of slow sensitivity degradation takes its toll, you will have only 30.

Consider the above to be a long winded way of saying that your anecdotal experience doesn't validate circumcision routinely performed on infants which is where the whole ethical problem of bodily autonomy lies.

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http://www.academia.edu/6395137/Adding_Insult_to_Injury_Acquisition_of_Erectile_Dysfunction_from_Circumcision

a series of pages reported on this study write

A new study in the International Journal of Men's Health shows that circumcised men have a 4.5 times greater chance of suffering from erectile dysfunction (ED) than intact men, revealing what appears to be a significant acquisition vector. Researchers Dan Bollinger and Robert S. Van Howe, M.D., M.S., FAAP found a strong association between circumcision and ED in their survey of 300 men (OR = 4.53, p=.0058)

Sure, the wording doesn't prove the time factor, but if time is irrelevant then the procedure is directly harmful in itself, which would be even worse i guess?

My post was to point out the weakness in OP's logic that assuming the loss of sensation hypothesis 12 years which i believe to be true doesn't put him even at even ground with highschoolers circumcised at birth. It was mostly about comparisons 12 vs 19, 12 vs 31, 50 vs 31. He is trailing the peers circumcised at birth by 2 decades so his anecdotal evidence is irrelevant.

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Not to be rude, but that is a relatively small study, by what seems to be a biased organization. The impact factor of that journal is the lowest possible at 0.00.

It's hard to find good quality evidence on this topic. I wish it was out there. The fact that it isn't speaks to how difficult it is to find evidence for or against.

The journal of sexual medicine isn't much better. It is only two or three years old, it has a marginal impact factor (in the 3 to 4 range). They published a review paper that included about 20,000 men on the circ and un-circ sides (40,000 total). This paper is as flawed as the next, but it found no significant difference in the arms. I'd be happy to provide you a digital copy if you don't have access to it. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jsm.12293/abstract

It is so hard to find good data on this because emotions run so high. I appreciate that you are pointing out that individual data points are irrelevant. It's nice to see appeals to reason and logic in this field where emotions tend to dominate the discussion.

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meh, in the long run it's bikeshedding.
My take on it is a simple - 1. people theserve to be in charge as far as their own body is concerned and the current state of affairs is a slap to the face of the idea of equality before the law 2. FGM has a wide gamut of procedures, some of which are orders of magnitude less invasive than removing nearly half a dick skin yet the invasiveness or potential benefits of any of them is never an argument for their legality in the debate. Double standards, double standards everywhere.

My only problem with guys actively defending their own circumcision is that they are watering down the efforts to stop perpetuation of the unethical phenomenon. If they like it personally, more power to them but they should be aware many dudes were fucked over by their less than perfect procedure.
And the UN literally pushing circumcision to African countries can outright fuck off.

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The most sensitive location on the circumcised penis was the circumcision scar on the ventral surface. Five locations on the uncircumcised penis that are routinely removed at circumcision had lower pressure thresholds [i.e., were more sensitive] than the ventral scar of the circumcised penis.

Sorrells ML, Snyder JL, Reiss MD, et al. Fine-touch pressure thresholds in the adult penis. BJU Int. 2007 Apr;99(4):864-9. [NSFW figure from the study detailing the most relevant results]

The analysis sample consisted of 1059 uncircumcised and 310 circumcised men. For the glans penis, circumcised men reported decreased sexual pleasure and lower orgasm intensity. They also stated more effort was required to achieve orgasm, and a higher percentage of them experienced unusual sensations (burning, prickling, itching, or tingling and numbness of the glans penis). For the penile shaft a higher percentage of circumcised men described discomfort and pain, numbness and unusual sensations. In comparison to men circumcised before puberty, men circumcised during adolescence or later indicated less sexual pleasure at the glans penis, and a higher percentage of them reported discomfort or pain and unusual sensations at the penile shaft.

The sensitivity of the foreskin and its importance in erogenous sensitivity is widely debated and controversial. This is part of the actual public debate on circumcision for non-medical reason. Today some studies on the effect of circumcision on sexual function are available. However they vary widely in outcome. The present study shows in a large cohort of men, based on self-assessment, that the foreskin has erogenous sensitivity. It is shown that the foreskin is more sensitive than the uncircumcised glans mucosa, which means that after circumcision genital sensitivity is lost. In the debate on clitoral surgery the proven loss of sensitivity has been the strongest argument to change medical practice. In the present study there is strong evidence on the erogenous sensitivity of the foreskin. This knowledge hopefully can help doctors and patients in their decision on circumcision for non-medical reason.

Bronselaer G. et al. Male Circumcision Decreases Penile Sensitivity as Measured in a Large Cohort. BJU Int. 2013.

Podnar (2012) found that foreskin destruction routinely depresses the ability to elicit the normal penile reflex response.

Meislahn & Taylor (2004) surveyed men finding the majority with intact foreskin rated the ridged band area as the most important part of penile sensitivity, more important than glans sensitivity.

Bensley & Boyle (2001) surveyed women who were partners of men with intact or circumcised penises finding:

The combined sample (n = 77) reported that circumcised male partners were unhappy with their circumcisions significantly more often than were genitally intact sexual partners (p < .05). Also, their circumcised partners experienced significant progressive decline in glans sensitivity (p < .001), and had to use significantly different techniques when masturbating (p < .001). Circumcised partners more often resorted to unsafe sexual practices; they were significantly more likely to engage in anal intercourse (p < .05), and significantly more reluctant to use condoms (p < .05). Respondents reported significantly higher mean discontent among their circumcised partners than among their genitally intact partners (p < .05).

Cold & McGrath (1999) performed a histological examination of the foreskins of humans and several primates finding the human foreskin has numerous fine touch receptors in contrast to primates. In difference, primates instead have fine touch receptors in the glans surface, which has comparatively few of these or other specialized touch receptors in humans except at the glans corona. This would appear to demonstrate an evolutionary shift from the glans functioning as the outermost penile surface to the foreskin replacing it in that role in humans (and possibly some other apes—I don't know of any more comprehensive histological or other examination of primate prepuces.)

In 2009, the College of Physicians and Surgeons of British Columbia wrote that the foreskin "is rich in specialized sensory nerve endings and erogenous tissue. Circumcision is painful, and puts the patient at risk for complications ranging from minor, as in mild local infections, to more serious such as injury to the penis, meatal stenosis, urinary retention, urinary tract infection and, rarely, even hemorrhage leading to death." In 2010, the Royal Dutch Medical Association stated that the foreskin is "a complex, erotogenic structure that plays an important role in the mechanical function of the penis during sexual acts, such as penetrative intercourse and masturbation". The Royal Australasian College of Physicians wrote, "The foreskin has two main functions. Firstly it exists to protect the glans penis. Secondly the foreskin is a primary sensory part of the penis, containing some of the most sensitive areas of the penis." The Danish Medical Association (Lægeforeningen) and Danish Society of Family Physicians (Dansk Selskab for Almen Medicin) have recommended non-therapeutic male circumcision should wait until the boy or young man is old enough to provide informed consent. Circumcision which is not medically indicated is a mutilation and a violation and should be restricted to being performed with consent. The British Medical Association informational literature states: "It is now widely accepted, including by the BMA, that this surgical procedure has medical and psychological risks. … Very similar arguments are also used to try and justify very harmful cultural procedures, such as female genital mutilation or ritual scarification. Furthermore, the harm of denying a person the opportunity to choose not to be circumcised must also be taken into account, together with the damage that can be done to the individual’s relationship with his parents and the medical profession if he feels harmed by the procedure. … Parental preference alone is not sufficient justification for performing a surgical procedure on a child." Representing Danish, Estonian, Finnish, Icelandic, Norwegian and Swedish clinical sexologists, in 2013 the Nordic Association of Clinical Sexology stated:

The penile foreskin is a natural and integral part of the normal male genitalia. The foreskin has a number of important protective and sexual functions. It protects the penile glans against trauma and contributes to the natural functioning of the penis during sexual activity. …during sexual activity the foreskin is a functional and highly sensitive, erogenous structure, capable of providing pleasure to its owner and his potential partners.

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What mechanism do you propose is responsible for this? It is not like restoration restores the lost nerves.

There are a couple.

Restoration absolutely restores nervous tissue. No you do not regain the same tissue you originally had, you regain tissue that is identical in structure to whatever you have left. This is thus, equally sensitive. What ends up happening is that the surface area of your penis that provides rich and deeply pleasurable sexual perception is made vastly larger. You simply have much more penis to feel with. When completely restored, more than 100% greater in most cases. This is only part of it however as;
It restores a suite of entirely unique types of sexual stimulus, their combine effect being the "gliding mechanism. All of the parts of the penis (foreskin included), are meant to interact with one another. It feels quite different when the various surfaces of your penis are rubbing against itself, versus against something else. You get sensory feedback from different tissues. This effect is amplified further still during penetrative sex, because you rock back and forth between mostly stimulating yourself and being stimulated by your partner. The best way to describe the sensation of your skin rubbing over your glans (in my restoration) experience, is like the head of your cock is swimming through an ocean of velvet, except you can feel the velvet layers too. Finally;
It restores the natural environment for the mucosal tissues. Everything above the circumcision scar, glans (head) included, is not "skin". It's the type of tissue inside your mouth and under your eyelids. It is supposed to be internal, and moist. Being internal again allows the natural secretions to build, a very silky smooth gliding surface to form for your inner skin, and heightened sensitivity. Think about how licking your finger makes it more sensitive to a breeze. Similar effect.

In the end, is it a perfect replacement? No. Does it return the kind of rich fine touch sensitivity we've evolved to have? No. However, it takes what you have left and allows it to function as best as possible. In my own personal opinion, as a man who didn't have any personal issues or qualms with my sexual enjoyment before, the difference after having experienced these things is phenomenal. It is night and day, far better with a foreskin, even a fake one like this. It's like being able to see colour for the first time after a lifetime of colourblindness. It's crazy how complex and varied the sensations you can and are supposed to feel really are.

Edit: You asked for an explanation, and I provided one. It seems like folks don't actually want to know how restoration works, because that leads then to the reality that there is something to restore (and often times something far more valuable than most are evidently comfortable accepting). How typical.

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Logically, you are absolutely right. There are more nerve endings in the foreskin, so naturally uncircumsized sex is going to be felt "more".

But the thing though is that is not the end of the story. Lets look at reality:

There is no basis of comparison in terms of feeling. The only way to really study this is to take like 1000 uncut guys, make them have sex, then circumcise them, and have sex again for comparison. Excluding factors like emotional attachment as well somehow.
In terms of just opinion, you would be hardpressed to find a cut guy that complains about his dick. Again, partly because there is no basis of comparison. The ironic thing is that a good number of uncut guys are very vocal about the issue.
Majority of the women prefer a cut penis. Not really logical, but that is society for you. Could also explain why the uncut guys complain, because they feel the human need to feel superior due to statistically lower sex rates.

So while yes, logically you shouldn't circumcise your infants, but you would be fooling yourself if you thought that a uncut dick was better

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You literally just said in your own post there's no basis for comparison, so how can you say, "cut guys aren't missing out on anything"?

At the very least, you're missing out on a significant quantity of nervous tissue, unique types of sexual tissue, and a unique type of sexual stimulation that we as cut guys can never experience. That's without diving into any of the specifics.

You can absolutely compare, by looking at adult circumcisions, and looking at the results of foreskin restorations (which mostly return the functional mechanical complements of the foreskin as opposed to the nerve comments). How much exactly you're missing out on is variable, as every circumcision is different just like every penis is different, which is part of the overarching problem. There is no standard result.

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There is no way to prove that what you experience is worse than what the uncut guys experience.

There are plenty of ways to prove this. The most relevant to my own personal experience, comes from the fact I'm restoring my foreskin. I've felt first hand with my own flesh, the difference between the two. Even though it isn't a perfect replica, the difference is night and day. One is a complex interplay of all the most sensitive parts of my penis, changing back and forth between two different primary types of sensation, while the other is a simple relic of the two. I never "didn't enjoy" sex, but now I also realize that what I considered to be "satisfactory" previously, was a fraction of what I should be feeling.

Beyond having experienced it myself, there are also several entire branches of scientific inquiry devoted to investigating these sorts of things. Do you also believe it impossible to determine the differences in sexual experience caused by female genital cutting also? What about the difference in sight caused by injuries to the eye, or colourblindness? Is it impossible to "prove" discrepancies in organ function without actually experiencing it as the person in question? Of course not, and it's lazy to suggest as such. It's simply a cop out so that you don't have to actually analyze what's in front of you.

You can have your own opinion, but the vast majority of guys with cut penises are quite happy and enjoy sex plenty.

This has nothing to do with, nor is it mutually exclusive with the objective, and demonstrable consequences of circumcision. Namely the destruction of a vast majority of sensory tissue, and again a drastic simplification of the sexual mechanics of the penis. You can continue to dodge this, however trying to frame this as an argument of opinion doesn't change the fact that these things are dictated by the fundamental anatomical changes involved.

To say that you are somehow more enlightened than them because your realize that you could be enjoying it more with a foreskin is a little bit pretentious, no matter how or which way you put it.

I'm more enlightened than them because I've done hundreds of hours of research on the topic, and possess a formal education that allows me to understand both the micro and macroscopic biology involved. Most men have next to 0 understanding, knowledge, or education about their anatomy except that it feels good. While that might be pretentious, it is also objectively true. Being pretentious doesn't nullify the validity and underlying factuality behind what I've said.

Regardless, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that all those happily cut guys are not the touchstone of proof that circumcision is inconsequential, they're an easily explained symptom of the cultural and social environment that breeds a genital cutting tradition. A fact easily demonstrated by comparing with literally, any other genital cutting culture in the world and its history.

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That's seriously the only thing you pulled from what I wrote? I directly addressed everything you said (which was incredibly lazy I might add), and instead you interpret it as "self-indulgence"?

Perhaps if I was intact, that might actually hold some merit. It seems you don't understand that agreeing on circumcision being wrong isn't what I'm talking to you about. I'm talking to you about an entire list of easily proven consequences caused by circumcision, that you have spent a lot of time trying to rebut without any kind of evidence or argument except an appeal to majority.

What part of what I wrote was indulging my penis? I provided my own experience, coupled with the conclusions formed from academic study, as well as anatomical and histological analysis.

What else exactly would you like?

It seems the problem isn't my "self-indulgence" but instead your lack of willingness to perhaps consider the possibility that things arent as simple as you've imagined them.

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You can't understand because its literally beyond comprehension.

The nerves that were present were removed. The most sensitive part left over is the scar. Test this in the dark, the brown ring will be the most sensitive part...

You aren't upset because its extremely difficult to compare sexual satisfaction. Girls that are familiar with both will tell you.... uncut guys are easier to give handjobs to (they enjoy it more) easier to give blowjobs to (they enjoy it more) have gentler sex (they don't thrust as hard because they enjoy it more), and their dicks don't hurt as much (they are softer, more moisturized, and better lubricated). Cut guys need to "pound away".

It's great you haven't "had any problems", but honestly its like a guy going "I'm happy I have $10,000" when you were born with $50,000, and $40,000 was taken from you at birth.

Your happy because you never knew you had $50,000 and this entire time you thought $10,000 was what everyone else got.

The foreskin contains 50%+ or more of the nerves on the penis, provides functions (such as acting as a gasket for lubrication, or a rolling bearing during sex and masturbation) and also contains the most sensitive parts of the penis, parts that are removed.

Its had "no impact" because you have no basis of comparison...

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Since circumcision isn't the same on everyone (surgery is very custom) you may not have found it, but ... there is always a scar. Surgery leaves scars.

NSFW - Circumcised Penis

So, in this image, there is a brown ring (where the foreskin was removed). Above the brown ring is mucosa, this is specialized tissue that reacts to stretching and compression. Its much more sensitive than the skin beneath it and it is erogenous. The skin beneath the scar is regular shaft skin and is non erogenous.

In some guys, there may be no mucosa left. This is considered a "tight" cut, where all the foreskin was removed, and shaft skin was sewn directly underneath the head. Without posting pictures of your dick /r/circumcision, I can't assess the damage.

Again, there is tremendous variation. Surgeon skill, technique used, implements used, the penis itself.

If you have the stomach for this information ... ( I do caution you on this) type "penis circumcision scar" into google and look at some pictures. There is tremendous variation.

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"You aren't upset because its extremely difficult to compare sexual satisfaction. Girls that are familiar with both will tell you.... uncut guys are easier to give handjobs to (they enjoy it more) easier to give blowjobs to (they enjoy it more) have gentler sex (they don't thrust as hard because they enjoy it more), and their dicks don't hurt as much (they are softer, more moisturized, and better lubricated). Cut guys need to "pound away"."

I know you won't like my answer, but nontheless; it's the exact opposite. You said "girls will tell you.." so I'm telling you what you don't want to hear, unfortunately. Cut guys are - in my experience easier to give handjobs to, way more comfortable and better to give blow jobs to, always have clean dicks and are great in bed - I don't even see why this should be different. They certaintly don't "pound away", are very sensitive and experience a lot of pleasure during sex. On the other hand, like I told you before, there's been uncut guys that almost could not have sex because it was either so sensitive it was downright painful or the string to the foreskin was so tight they could barely even jack off. So there you have it, an outside opinion.

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I certainly wouldn't want to speak for all women, since I'm a guy, but I have had an ex girlfriend who was with a circumcised man (quite rare here) and we ended up talking about the difference one night.

Trust me, I'm not really the kind of person who wants to hear about a gf's past sexual experiences but since circumcision came up and she said she was with a guy who was cut before, I asked what the differences were for her.

Masturbating him without lube seemed to cause him discomfort. He wasn't very sensitive to oral sex. Intercourse she didn't notice much difference with because they used condoms every time, not a very long relationship.

There was one thing she said was strange and that was fairly frequent "wet patch" on his underwear, particularly after a night out. I'm not sure if that's a significant / normal thing for cut men?

As for the problems that you talked about with uncut men, ye there are some medical reasons why men and boys may need circumcision, I know of one boy here who had to get it done around 8 years old because of pain, foreskin should be easily retracted and apparently his wasn't and it was getting worse and more difficult / painful to do so. If that's the case, then you can't clean properly, and so he was circumcised because it was medically necessary. That would appear to be extremely rare though.

As for "being clean", that's just a question of personal hygiene isn't it? I shower at least once per day, maybe more if I go to the gym, the pool etc. so I have literally zero problems with cleanliness down there. I would imagine most uncut men are the same in richer countries, where we have access to hygiene products, clean water etc. The third word of course is a different story. However, one thing I will say, for two guys who shower everyday, one cut and one uncut, I'd say as a case of personal hygiene and infection risk it would be better not to have the glans of the penis exposed directly to underwear all the time.

All I can say is, I'm almost 30 and I can say that if I had to have my foreskin removed it would really impact me. Every uncut man here who has had sex (particularly without a condom) can tell you that the foreskin plays such a huge role in how it feels. I don't want to get graphic / disgusting here but during intercourse you can feel pleasure from both the glans and from the foreskin, so I imagine the latter if completely missing for uncut men and that, for me, would take away probably 30-40% of it.

I'm not sure that considerations for future girl's preferences is a good enough reason to remove the foreskin from a baby's penis, after all we don't cosmetically manipulate a girl's genitals in any way with the preferences of future boys who will be with them in mind! That said, circumcision is necessary medically sometimes, and any man who wants to get it done for whatever reason they like should be able to do so without being shamed etc.

EDIT: Said in the start I had an ex-gf who was with an uncircumcised man.. i meant to say a circumcised man.

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Your experiences are unfortunate and kind of strange, because studies have been done on the sex lives of cut men, uncut men and their partners and they typically overwhelmingly show a link between circumcision and sex life problems. That's not to say that ALL cut men have these issues, and NO uncut men do, of course.

But here's coverage of one conducted in Norway a few years ago, where circumcision is not that common.

http://sciencenordic.com/male-circumcision-leads-bad-sex-life

That study found that circumcised men were more likely to experience sensitivity problems than uncircumcised men, taking longer to reach orgasm. I saw other studies that indicated this rate of men increases as they get older. Seems straightforward to me, the glans/head of the penis has had its natural protection removed and it's not a secret the skin is harder on cut men, than uncut men.

The Norway study also showed the female partners of cut men were more likely to experience pain during or after sex. The went to a great deal of bother to make sure to eliminate other factors as a cause too.

I think there's a great deal of resistance in America to admit that most of the "risks" of not getting circumcised were overblown, or misrepresented and the risks of being circumcised were played down. The reason? LAWSUITS.. there has been at least one case to date of a man successfully suing over his circumcision if I remember correctly?

There's also a kind of bizarre cultural thing to it. When I first heard the argument "he should look like his daddy" I was blown away. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard in my life! Compare that to Australia and New Zealand etc. when the public health information changed, the circumcision rate collapsed!

Worse, in the U.S., many parents were given FALSE information about cleaning their uncut infants. They were told to forcefully retract the foreskin of babies and infants to clean.. that's actually a myth. It's not until several years later that the foreskin starts to detach from the glans/head of the penis and becomes retractable. Doing so beforehand rips the skin and causes infections (which is where the "circumcised boys get more infections" myth came from!).

Its kind of sad to me that people just can't leave it up to their kids to grow up and decide themselves. If everyone did that, next to no men would get circumcised by choice (or for non-religious reasons).

But ye, interesting times!

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Ah sorry, no idea where Norway came out of :-) You Nordics are all the same to me :P haha, just kidding.

As for the reason why some people are really opposed to this research, I think it depends on the person who is opposed. A lot of religious groups at this point probably seek confirming research rather than disconfirming because faith and doctrine alone might not be enough to convince the masses, so therefore you tell them there are good secular reasons for the practice.

Medical practitioners may also be stuck in their ways and prefer the old wisdom to the new. In the U.S., I think there is a genuine fear of legal consequences because there does seem to be a growing number of men asking questions now about why some practitioner performed a circumcision on them while they were just babies. At least parents have the excuse of following medical advice, which of course as a general rule we should tend to follow medical advice from actual doctors. However, there may be arguments made that the procedure was unnecessary, the risks etc. were overblown, and that may come with some legal risks now. As said in a previous post, I remember reading about at least one successful lawsuit in the U.S. with regard to a childhood circumcision.

Another group is some circumcised men themselves, who I think tend to get a little bit defensive and I can understand that. For example, if a person claims circumcision is "genital mutilation", as a lot of people do, then that can bring up an emotional response in a person who has been circumcised! "Are you saying I have a mutilated penis? Are you saying my parents mutilated me? Are you saying I'm broken?" etc. and I think it tends to drive them away from talking about this as a general practice (from a secular / public health / cultural point of view).

One thing though that I cannot stand is when circumcision is compared to childhood vaccines, that drives me fucking CRAZY. They couldn't be more difficult as health measures, and it seems to me a growing number of circumcision defenders have tried to put those things in the same basket.

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Yes, it fucking sucks, but its completely true.

I'm circumcised myself. After about ... 300 hours worth of research this is what I know.

Sex is different cut and uncut.
There are more nerves on a uncut penis.
The uncut penis can do more things (it has more functions.)
The people who elect to cut their kids are ... typically always cut themselves, or have cut partners.
Very few, uncut males elect this after reaching the age of 18, ergo, the foreskin has value.
The foreskin contains a lot of nerves, specialized nerves, and the most sensitive nerves on the penis.
The foreskin provides mechanics. Its a rolling bearing. It's evolved for this purpose.

All of these things suck. They suck enormously. It's very bad to realize deep within yourself that you can never have normal sex because its literally impossible because someone else made a choice about your body. It's enormously fucked up.

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The most common prepucectomy+clitoridectomy is directly comparable to circumcision plus cutting off some frontal portion of the glans usually not to the glans corona. That surgical error in male child circumcision has won large lawsuits in the past. In fact, it's why Miltex no longer makes Mogen clamps. They lost multiple million dollar lawsuits for that error to which that clamp is prone. http://nypost.com/2010/07/18/10m-for-circum-slicing/ http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep/26/health/la-he-circumcision-20110926 http://www.mohelinsouthflorida.com/2010/07/dont-use-mogen-clamp.html

* But to limit opposition to female child genital cutting to only clitoridectomy would be to ignore the large part that involves less significant destruction. There are cultural vulva modifications that are like male cutting in excising only skin and membrane. Like penile skin and membrane excision, they are also unethical.

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Would've hated to have it done when I was older.

Who said you would have had to have done it?

Think there are more important issues other than baby boys having their foreskin taken at birth.

You can make the exact same argument for leaving boys the way they're supposed to be. There are more important issues, so why cut off bits of his penis?

It's not like it's a fucking arm or leg.

No. It isn't a fucking arm or leg. This doesn't mean that it's not important. It's all too easy to trivialise something that was taken from you before you had the chance to use it. Most men who were allowed to keep their whole penis would be disgusted at the notion of having bits of it cut up. Not just because of the pain aspect, but because they'd consider circumcision to be a disfigurement, which strictly speaking, it is.

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Yes they are. From its outset circumcision was intended as an attack on human sexuality. It just isn't as fashionable to admit that any more.

John Harvey Kellogg:

A remedy which is almost always successful in small boys is circumcision, especially when there is any degree of phimosis. The operation should be performed by a surgeon without administering an anesthetic, as the brief pain attending the operation will have a salutary effect upon the mind, especially if it be connected with the idea of punishment, as it may well be in some cases. The soreness which continues for several weeks interrupts the practice, and if it had not previously become too firmly fixed, it may be forgotten and not resumed.

a method of treatment [to prevent masturbation] ... and we have employed it with entire satisfaction. It consists in the application of one or more silver sutures in such a way as to prevent erection. The prepuce, or foreskin, is drawn forward over the glans, and the needle to which the wire is attached is passed through from one side to the other. After drawing the wire through, the ends are twisted together, and cut off close. It is now impossible for an erection to occur, and the slight irritation thus produced acts as a most powerful means of overcoming the disposition to resort to the practice

In females, the author has found the application of pure carbolic acid (phenol) to the clitoris an excellent means of allaying the abnormal excitement.

Cool sitz baths; the cool enema; a spare diet; the application of blisters and other irritants to the sensitive parts of the sexual organs, the removal of the clitoris and nymphae...

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Wow that's a hell of a lot of conjecture.

Should the downsides be ignored just because addressing them might hurt some people's feelings?

I didn't say that.

as though his opinions trump everyone else's

Again, no one saying that until you projected it onto everyone who disagrees with the "consensus."

I got circumcised, my life is fine, my sex life is fine. I don't lose sleep over it. If someone else does, or feels as if they're losing out, then that sucks for them and I wish things had turned out differently for them. I don't think any more or less of their opinion than I do my own. I'm not minimizing anyone, but when people like /u/dvorak_typist tell us poor ignorant rubes how to feel "you should be mad" or try to marginalize us by talking to us like children who just can't comprehend and have no input, and when people like you try to shove us off to the sidelines by making completely fallacious claims that we're trying to ignore downsides and trump everyone else's opinions, that's a supremely shitty thing to do.

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I don't think the argument should be that children can't consent (because children in general aren't required to consent with what their parents decide), but that non reversible or hard to reverse cosmetic surgeries should only be allowed after a certain age with permission from the child.

It sounds good, but then again, how would you allow cleft lip fixes in younger children? I'm curious how we draw the line in the sand, and what is the justification?

I think you could argue that genital cosmetic surgery should not be allowed until age ~13 with consent of the child. With the justification that children should not be concerned with anything sexual until that age. That also said, I know I would not be able to make that decision even today (mainly because I dislike surgery), and I'm glad it was made for me when I was a child. So I don't know where I stand.

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A lot of this has to do with social inclusion. We allow parents to consent on behalf of their children to fix cosmetic problems that are generally accepted as socially detrimental. But if the procedure relates to inclusion within a subgroup (say, Muslims or Jews, for instance), then we wind up with a problem. Do we apply our overall social values (moral universalism), or do we defer to the values of the subgroup (cultural relativism). This debate has been raging among feminist-anthropologists for decades with respect to female circumcision. Despite what folks on the this sub seem to believe, there is not a universal feminist consensus that all forms of female circumcision should be banned. Personally, I think that criminalizing male circumcision would be disasterous. Circumcision is the Judaic equivalent of baptism - they're not just going to shrug their shoulders and move on. You'll actually have to convict thousands and thousands of parents as they defend a fundamental sacrament of their religion.

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Title	Saw this on imgur. A man holding intactivist signs along a street. Wish I had the balls to do more than just complain on the internet.
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Date	September 26, 2015 10:38 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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