Now both men and women have to register for the draft after the successful law suit of National Coalition For men. Unfortunately the lawyer who did this was killed this month.
You can identify as whatever you want but in order to legally change your gender you have to go through multiple psychological evaluations. So nice plan but no
Austrian here. Was drafted for military when I was 18. Was declared to be unfit for a year. They forgot about me and suddenly remembered when I was 25. I just started working at a new job, and they came to pick me up from work to redraft me on February 14th 8:30 am. My second week at the job btw.
I had no choice but to come with them and do physical and psych evaluation for two days straight. I did my first day, then came in to work at 18:00 and worked till 23:00. Same on the next day. I basicaly had to in order to not lose my job. Employer HAS to reemploy you of you are drafted while you are employeed. Doesnt happen that often because most people get it done at age 19 when they still live at home.
I however, was in my mid 20s, had a job a car and bills to pay. They haf forgotten me for 8 years. Then randomly showed up at my work. Supposedly because I had received a summon for the draft and didnt comply. I had never received that summon.
I later realised this was because theres someone with my exact name (uncommon name AND even more uncommon spelling) with the exact same date of birth living in the exact same Zip Code. He had done his when he was 19 and they didnt catch on that we arent the same person till 8 years later. I know this because I often times run into trouble with gov bodies because of this dude.
Either way. Normaly you are assigned to work within 6 months. It took them 2+ years to assign me. I literaly woke up with panic attacks every single day and didnt realise that I was having panic attacks, or why. Every day. Often times in the middle of the night. Or any time I saw a police car or anything close to it. Within those two years I had to kerp workong that miserable job I hated because if I quit or moved appartments I'd pretty much be unable to pay rent for 6-9 months.
I started having panic attacks whenever a number I hadnt saved called my phone. I stopped opening mail, receiving mail or emptying my mailbox. I was worried that at any time I might get picked up by the military police and forced to basicaly be a slave. I had nightmares of getting chased every night. I was parandoid and thought police is looking for me. Any time the doorbell rang I froze up and panicked. I stopped opening the door. Any timr I heard someone talk in stairwell I froze up and panicked. Because it must be the police/military asking people in the house about me.
I lived like this for 2 years. All while working a job I hated. A Job with an abusive employer at that.
March 2019 rolled around. I had a letter taped to my door one day I came home. It was the notice about where I'd been assigned to. 2 years later. I send a letter back asking to do the 9 months of Zivildienst instead. I got a new letter with where I'd be assigned to for Zivildienst a month later.
I was very unwell already because of the whole shebang. I also had to care for a suicidal friend every day at the time. I didnt even have the balls to properly tell my then employer that I was drafted. Just one day didnt show up anymore.
I was assigned to my worst nightmare. I had to work with drug addicts for 9 months. It wasnt just any institution. It was an institution that prides itself on being "unique". It houses, feeds and helps exclusively long term drug addicts that are also homeless. But.... its the only institution in the country and probanly also in europe that ALLOWS people to freely use jnside the facility.
It was my job to clean out their rooms, keep the entire 5 story building clean, do the laundry, the shopping and also be the bar at the cafe the facility had during the day. That included chatting with the people, making them food and drinks etc.
I dont want to go into details really... but I had to quit 4 months in. I cried in the washing room every hour or so. I had frequent nightmares and intrusive thoughts. I saw multiple people overdose. One of which was a childhood friend of mine,I I hadnt seen since then. I had and still have feelings of needles being inserted into my left arm randomly and it absolutely destroys me. Also knifes slicing my wrist. Sometimes just thinking about it, brushing my wrists against something or seeing something sharp triggers it.
I felt and still feel personaly responsible for these people. I couldnt go outside any ore because Id have panic attacks any time I saw one of them on the street. I pretty much lived off of a bag of chips every day, bought at 4 am, with a hoody on at the gas station.
I also had my employer / the institutions head call me 20 times a day when I called in sick. He even send the police to check on me twice and asked my neighbors about me.
Ive been in therapy since october 2019. I still am. I havnt worked a day since then. Also almost lost my appartment because I couldny pay rent anymore. Also lost my appartment again 3 months ago because I'm fisfunctional still.
I feel so bad about not working and living off of the state that I asked my doc to jot me down as "healthy" again in April and started applying for jobs. Therapist was required to give an evaluation a few weeks ago to confirm im fit for work. She gave em a negative evaluation. Meaning im still not fit to work.
I only just started getting better the last 2 or 3 months or so. Started eating normaly and started openong letters, taking calls etc. 3 days ago I had a letter in my mailbox that informed me that I was assigned to redo Zivildienst for 9 months.
I struggle with suicidal thoughts. My therapist is on vacation for 5 weeks. Im supposed to be taken in stationarily for 6 weeks at the end of september to speeden up recovery. I think about ending it almost every day.
It's a waste of time. why wasting my time in the army instead of gaining experience in my field of work. this will be more beneficial for me and for the country.
Yes there is and what's even worse a couple of years ago we had a referendum on the issue and all the fucking boomers voted to keep mandatory military service so now we're stuck with this bullshit for even longer because no politician wants to touch it. You don't have to join the military though you can also work as a slave for a couple of months and drive around old people
I'm from austria and I can confirm that what he posted is true. Except the pension age that only applies to older generations they actually fixed that recently.
6 months mandatory is good to crackdown on obesity
It isn't. PT was divided into 5 groups based on fitness and while it was said that the lower groups had to work harder to catch up, it was never ever enforced. Essentially you had all the fat kids in the back walking during morning PT, turning around at the halfway mark so everyone arrived back at the barracks at the same time.
Also, you're not being put on a diet, in fact, you can eat as much as you want during lunch time. After hours you can go home and eat what you want, or you visit the Soldatenheim where you can buy cheap junk food (hot dogs, microwave burgers etc.) and alcohol at ridiculously low prices because the government isn't allowed to make a profit there. We're talking 80 cents for 0,5l of beer here.
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Now both men and women have to register for the draft after the successful law suit of National Coalition For men. Unfortunately the lawyer who did this was killed this month.
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You can identify as whatever you want but in order to legally change your gender you have to go through multiple psychological evaluations. So nice plan but no
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Umm. How? I mean it’s not great, but it’s still better than most of Western Europe.
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Ok, I didn’t ask about your ass. I asked how.
I’ve lived in both Europe and Australia, so I wanna know how is it worse in your opinion.
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glad i live in the Netherlands.
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Austrian here. Was drafted for military when I was 18. Was declared to be unfit for a year. They forgot about me and suddenly remembered when I was 25. I just started working at a new job, and they came to pick me up from work to redraft me on February 14th 8:30 am. My second week at the job btw.
I had no choice but to come with them and do physical and psych evaluation for two days straight. I did my first day, then came in to work at 18:00 and worked till 23:00. Same on the next day. I basicaly had to in order to not lose my job. Employer HAS to reemploy you of you are drafted while you are employeed. Doesnt happen that often because most people get it done at age 19 when they still live at home.
I however, was in my mid 20s, had a job a car and bills to pay. They haf forgotten me for 8 years. Then randomly showed up at my work. Supposedly because I had received a summon for the draft and didnt comply. I had never received that summon.
I later realised this was because theres someone with my exact name (uncommon name AND even more uncommon spelling) with the exact same date of birth living in the exact same Zip Code. He had done his when he was 19 and they didnt catch on that we arent the same person till 8 years later. I know this because I often times run into trouble with gov bodies because of this dude.
Either way. Normaly you are assigned to work within 6 months. It took them 2+ years to assign me. I literaly woke up with panic attacks every single day and didnt realise that I was having panic attacks, or why. Every day. Often times in the middle of the night. Or any time I saw a police car or anything close to it. Within those two years I had to kerp workong that miserable job I hated because if I quit or moved appartments I'd pretty much be unable to pay rent for 6-9 months.
I started having panic attacks whenever a number I hadnt saved called my phone. I stopped opening mail, receiving mail or emptying my mailbox. I was worried that at any time I might get picked up by the military police and forced to basicaly be a slave. I had nightmares of getting chased every night. I was parandoid and thought police is looking for me. Any time the doorbell rang I froze up and panicked. I stopped opening the door. Any timr I heard someone talk in stairwell I froze up and panicked. Because it must be the police/military asking people in the house about me.
I lived like this for 2 years. All while working a job I hated. A Job with an abusive employer at that.
March 2019 rolled around. I had a letter taped to my door one day I came home. It was the notice about where I'd been assigned to. 2 years later. I send a letter back asking to do the 9 months of Zivildienst instead. I got a new letter with where I'd be assigned to for Zivildienst a month later.
I was very unwell already because of the whole shebang. I also had to care for a suicidal friend every day at the time. I didnt even have the balls to properly tell my then employer that I was drafted. Just one day didnt show up anymore.
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I was assigned to my worst nightmare. I had to work with drug addicts for 9 months. It wasnt just any institution. It was an institution that prides itself on being "unique". It houses, feeds and helps exclusively long term drug addicts that are also homeless. But.... its the only institution in the country and probanly also in europe that ALLOWS people to freely use jnside the facility.
It was my job to clean out their rooms, keep the entire 5 story building clean, do the laundry, the shopping and also be the bar at the cafe the facility had during the day. That included chatting with the people, making them food and drinks etc.
I dont want to go into details really... but I had to quit 4 months in. I cried in the washing room every hour or so. I had frequent nightmares and intrusive thoughts. I saw multiple people overdose. One of which was a childhood friend of mine,I I hadnt seen since then. I had and still have feelings of needles being inserted into my left arm randomly and it absolutely destroys me. Also knifes slicing my wrist. Sometimes just thinking about it, brushing my wrists against something or seeing something sharp triggers it.
I felt and still feel personaly responsible for these people. I couldnt go outside any ore because Id have panic attacks any time I saw one of them on the street. I pretty much lived off of a bag of chips every day, bought at 4 am, with a hoody on at the gas station.
I also had my employer / the institutions head call me 20 times a day when I called in sick. He even send the police to check on me twice and asked my neighbors about me.
Ive been in therapy since october 2019. I still am. I havnt worked a day since then. Also almost lost my appartment because I couldny pay rent anymore. Also lost my appartment again 3 months ago because I'm fisfunctional still.
I feel so bad about not working and living off of the state that I asked my doc to jot me down as "healthy" again in April and started applying for jobs. Therapist was required to give an evaluation a few weeks ago to confirm im fit for work. She gave em a negative evaluation. Meaning im still not fit to work.
I only just started getting better the last 2 or 3 months or so. Started eating normaly and started openong letters, taking calls etc. 3 days ago I had a letter in my mailbox that informed me that I was assigned to redo Zivildienst for 9 months.
I struggle with suicidal thoughts. My therapist is on vacation for 5 weeks. Im supposed to be taken in stationarily for 6 weeks at the end of september to speeden up recovery. I think about ending it almost every day.
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It's a waste of time. why wasting my time in the army instead of gaining experience in my field of work. this will be more beneficial for me and for the country.
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It’s like Instagram pictures, swipe left on the image.
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Hmmm, I’m on mobile and don’t have any issues. Sorry! 😅
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Apple, and the official Reddit app. Lemme know what you’re running so I know to avoid it 🤣
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Yes there is and what's even worse a couple of years ago we had a referendum on the issue and all the fucking boomers voted to keep mandatory military service so now we're stuck with this bullshit for even longer because no politician wants to touch it. You don't have to join the military though you can also work as a slave for a couple of months and drive around old people
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I'm from austria and I can confirm that what he posted is true. Except the pension age that only applies to older generations they actually fixed that recently.
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Other men made those laws- not women
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It isn't. PT was divided into 5 groups based on fitness and while it was said that the lower groups had to work harder to catch up, it was never ever enforced. Essentially you had all the fat kids in the back walking during morning PT, turning around at the halfway mark so everyone arrived back at the barracks at the same time.
Also, you're not being put on a diet, in fact, you can eat as much as you want during lunch time. After hours you can go home and eat what you want, or you visit the Soldatenheim where you can buy cheap junk food (hot dogs, microwave burgers etc.) and alcohol at ridiculously low prices because the government isn't allowed to make a profit there. We're talking 80 cents for 0,5l of beer here.
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