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[–]tenchineuro 25 points26 points27 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That seems clear enough.
But other than being a voice of reason, nothing has changed. It's gonna take a lot more that.
[–]The__Tren__Train 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
nothing has changed.
that's because these 'woke' women generally don't want it to.. they will openly criticize feminism, but still gleefully accept the privileges that it grants them.
[–][deleted] 18 points19 points20 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Good for her!
Hopefully more people realise that feminism is far more damaging to women and women's empowerment and advancement than any system of oppression they claim to exist.
[–]tmone 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I believe you. Hope you dont mind me putting you on the spot, but can you list reasons why?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No spot putting whatsoever :)
I have been thinking pretty intently about the implications feminism have on the female mind.
First off, a lot of these women have been blatantly lied to in regards to the disparity between men and women now and throughout history. They have been convinced to take a competitive view of gender roles contrary to the cooperational view found in the past. The ever prevelent but outright false theory of patriarchy is engrained in these minds and poisons it by forcing every thought through a lense of "oppression".
Think women's empowerment makes women happy? Wrong, that's flat out wrong. It's wrong because it's not empowerment for women to make their own choices, it's convincing women to act like men. The Rockefeller family is complicit in heavy campaigns convincing women that domestic life is oppressive and they must fulfill their womanhood by moving to the workplace. Not only did this give industry twice as many employees, it also effectively began the dissolution of the traditional family unit.
Women have been statistically unhappier every decade since the 40's. Why? Because feminism insists that women act like men, and being a man is in fact difficult.
Women's advancement is something that is good for society? Absolutely
Does it make women happier? Heavily debatable.
Affirmative action does nothing for women except give the perception of equality.
Do women ought to be in top jobs? Well that depends on qualifications.
Should we have a discussion about perhaps running workplaces to be more centralized on compassion and work/family balance? Absolutely, but this is often grazed over by feminism. They want an immediate band aid solution to make themselves feel better.
Look at Equifax, she was a diversity hire as a CSO and they had a huge breach under her watch. Every female hire is now under question by even well meaning and equity minded HR departments, and by society as a whole. When you shove incompetent women into positions they don't deserve, it literally makes qualified women look bad simply because of their gender. Great job, feminists!
But perhaps the most sinister aspect of why feminism is poison to women is that it literally turns them into objects (I got this part from Karen Straughan)
Not objects in the realm of sexuality, but literal inanimate objects. Men are expected and forced to be actors, to be agents. Anything that happens to a man is always presumed to happen to him either because he wanted it, or because he deserved it. This is clear just by reading the hundreds of cases of women getting off Scott free for staturatory rape. Look at our legal system, men are only capable of rape, men are only capable of being a bad parent, men are only capable of domestic violence. Women are not capable of committing these actions, these are things that happen to women, not something they commit or invite.
A woman gets pregnant? We he got her pregnant
A woman cheats? Well she wasn't loved enough.
A women hits her SO? Well she obviously was retaliating for something.
There is precedent for women raping boys and then turning around and successfully suing for child support.
There is precedent for women to be the victims while they commit crimes.
"It's never okay to hit a woman"... Well under those circumstances a man cannot defend himself and it also frames women in a light where their own violent behaviours are assumed to be justified either in retaliation or self defence. As a society we have decided that women are not capable of having agency when it comes to violence. No woman is violent on her own accord, says feminism.
Politicians and judges will literally distort the law to give female criminals a lesser sentence or an outright dismissal altogether. These are blatant ecsuses that have only to do with possessing a vagina.
And you know what? Society does not think for a second that women are powerful or empowermed. We insist that we shove them in jobs they may not be qualified for. We jump at every instance to "believe the victim". We defend a system where women can unilaterally decide to become a parent or not, and she is a victim if the father says otherwise.
Women's learning styles are prioritized in order to give them an educational advantage. This is seen in the massive disparity in college admissions.
Patriarchy theory by design is meant to turn women into objects.
Women have no agency under feminism and society agrees. And it's nothing but sad.
Feminism claims women need empowerment but does everything to take away women's empowerment. There is nothing empowering about feminism for women, nothing at all. They use lies to convince well meaning mostly young women that they have had their agency stripped by men when in fact it is the people that claim to represent their best interests that make them suffer.
We wonder why feminism manages to stay relevant? Well it's own design is a feedback loop meant to make women feel more disenfranchised and unhappy, not more empowered.
It convinces women who subscribe to it to not take any responsibility or action in their life. They can only be objects suseptible to outwardly oppression from evil and opportunistic men. It's really sad.
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Ouch. This one would be a keeper. She is independent from mainstream so probably be able to have a good conversation with.
[–]Ace_Arma 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
No idea why, but regardless of what view you have, this whole write shit on a poster board is really getting annoying. Not to mention the BOLD and underlined crap.
Go out and be the change you wanna see, don't take 10 minutes to write out a paragraph post it online and then think you've done your part.
SNAP
[–]tmone 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
By creating a white board counterculture, she is playing a part in emboldening others to stand again feminism.
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She doesn't know what,feminism is lmao.
[–]LoganBlade13[S] 16 points17 points18 points 5 years ago (36 children) | Copy Link
Equalisim is about equality feminism is about superiority.
[–]crnext 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The correct name is egalitarianism. But I like equalism too.
Feminism is no more about equality than heads or tails is about standing a coin on its edge.
You may quote me on that.
[–]Marcus_MAHMAN -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No it is not, that's a massive misconception. It's like calling native Americans "Indians". It was a linguistic misunderstanding that became so widespread that the mass majority of people take it as fact.
Feminism, in its original basis, was meant to pull women out from underneath men and put them right besides them. Equality was the end-goal of feminism.
Today, a lot of these useless cunts take the term feminism when they really mean femnazism or female dominance/superiority.
Feminism = Equality.
These "feminists" that think all men are rapists and should be treated like dogs are not feminists, they're retarded, man-hating, femnazis. They make normal women like me want to see them experience REAL oppression.
Hint: Not getting pampered and getting hit on by a "non-chad" isn't oppression. Not having the right to vote, drive, an education, and make your own medical choices is.
[+][deleted] -24 points-23 points-22 points 5 years ago (32 children) | Copy Link
Feminism is about women in third world countries not having access to education. Feminism is what fought for men to be included in the federal definition of rape. She must be focused on american problems only, she must be a Ben Shapiro fan.
[–]Dgprehec 18 points19 points20 points 5 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
Please shut the fuck up. When was the last time western feminists used their energy to fight acid attacks, forced marriages, gang rapes in Islamic countries? Or trafficking of little girls in the third world?
Oh no sorry feminists would rather fight a guy who spreads his legs on the bus.
[–]LoganBlade13[S] 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Naa nowdays it’s he has his legs slightly apart on the subway because he has highly sensitive sex organs between his legs
[–]BoringGenericUser 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, but it's not like men need their balls for anything, right? /s
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Oh you re assuming I don't travel out of the us to protest. Lmao. What,a sweet child you are.
[–]Dgprehec 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Oh please you are going to Saudi Arabia to protest the way women are treated? Or Thailand to protest against human trafficking? Or go to your city's Pimp who owns illegal prostitutes? Give me a fucking break
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Haven't been there, went to Ireland to protest their anti abortion laws. Work with a hotline for victims of trafficking. Work at a domestic violence shelter that houses men and women. Men have their own house and the women have their own house. Each with 22 beds for the survivor and their children or dependents. I do plenty under the real title of feminism.
[–]Dgprehec 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Not completely agree with the whole prochoice thing, but good for you for helping people... Yet, this doesn't address the issue with western feminists being interested in useless campaigns.
Source: been a feminist and lived/protested with feminist groups in italy, Germany and Ireland since I was 15 until a few years ago where the MRA opened my eyes.. I accepted so many shits from feminists but I was a white man (gay.. but still a man) so I had to swallow their shitty attitudes and ideas. I need to say that most of the feminist groups I joined in the past were either anarchist or Marxist/Leninist. Maybe you worked with democratic reformists and cute feminists.
[–]DignifiedAlpaca 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That is my issue with it as well... I think it is good for there to be people out there pushing for solutions to issues that women have, but I don't understand why so many of them feel justified in putting down men in the process. I am not saying all feminists are like that, but so many of them are that I feel like it makes it pretty impractical to be involved with them if you are a man. Just my two cents though...
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Also feminism is what made the children of the night foundation, they house human trafficking victims from all over the world.
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
OK bro here is the Google definition of Feminism:
the advocacy of women's rights on the basis of the equality of the >sexes.
You see where it says Women's Rights ? If Feminism is supposed to be about equality why wouldn't the definition be something more along the lines of:
The advocacy for the equalization of rights of both women and >men.
[–]Marcus_MAHMAN 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Because equality means equality, not one superior than the other. The reason that definition only mentions women is because of the word fem at the beginning. It's not a loose translation, it's a direct and literal translation.
Feminism means women are equal, not superior.
[–]DignifiedAlpaca 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
By that same kind of reasoning though, you could just as easily call it masculism and mean the same exact thing, right?
I understand your reasoning, but I have always felt like that definition of the word feminism doesn't really make sense. I use the definition that feminism means advocacy for women's issues and the MRM is advocacy for men's issues, or else I use the idea that feminism just means capital F Feminism, the movement, i.e., whatever people who call themselves feminists happen to be doing at the current time (which I think is the definition that most people on this subreddit use). Otherwise you end up with weird Orwellian doublespeak where you are saying that FEMinism means advocating for both, and I feel like that is extremely misleading from a political perspective. Like, imagine if the term "flat tax advocate" got defined to mean "a person who advocates for progressive taxation" ... it just causes unnecessary confusion and makes it much easier to co-opt people into a movement that is involved in a different kind of advocacy than what they intend to get involved in.
[–]Marcus_MAHMAN 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Feminism doesn't aim to help men. Why? Because men have/had higher rights than women. All feminism was born to do was to raise women up to meet men, so why would feminism advocate for men?
Now, if we're talking about raising the rights of ALL people then that's a totally different subject. If you want more women's rights AND more men's rights, that's an entirely unrelated subject called human rights.
The word feminism is only as confusing as the word Indian. When someone says "I met an Indian guy today" do you think of a man from India or a native American man? The correct one would be the man from India, but so many people will instantly think of a native American because of a 300(ish) year old mistake that so few people refuse to correct.
People misunderstood something and changed the meaning of the word to something way off from the truth. Just like Indians, the word Feminism will always mean "to make women equal to men" not "men suck and women are superior".
In the most basic of essence of the word, feminism means equality. Masculism (is that the right word?) by that same nature should mean equality as well. The word masculism (or its correct term) is such an unspoken word because it had rarely ever been needed in history around the world. (And I hope such a day never arises either, we want equality, not revenge.)
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Well if you went to a dictionary you would see the real definition. "Feminism is a range of political movements, ideologies, and social movements that share a common goal: to define, establish, and achieve political, economic, personal, and social equality of sexes" Totally includes both but you instead shared a shortened and incorrect definition of feminism.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
OK I actually went to a dictionary. Merriam Webster to be exact. Here is the second definition they listed:
organized activity on behalf of women's rights and interests
The first one they give is:
the theory of the political, economic, and social equality of the sexes
Now note it says "the theory." A lot of things are great in theory. Communism and socialism are two examples of political ideologies that are great in theory. However, in practice they tend to fail. This is due to the fact that they are ideas for a Utopian society to follow where humans are perfect creatures. However, humans are not perfect creatures and so such ideas tend to not work in practice.
[–]Marcus_MAHMAN 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It wouldn't take a fucking Utopia to give women the same rights as men and you know it. We do not need to be perfect to be equal. That's a fantasy you have to deny equality.
[–]mymarkis666 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
So how does screaming bigot at people who believe there's only two genders get women in third world countries access to education? I'm open to hearing a genuine reply.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Oh I see why you are lost. You see misandrisim and call it feminism. You haven't seen true feminism clearly. Feminist like me who hate Lena Dunham because she's sexist and a rapist. Who work at shelters the house men. Who advocate for a stricter law regarding male rapes in prison.
[–]DignifiedAlpaca 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I totally get what you are saying, but the word feminism has largely been tarnished at this point. The Women's March is right now perhaps the largest protest movement in US history, and they are currently giving feminism a terrible name, not to say that it wasn't already shifted way into the negative. Look at the controversy over the Louis Farrakhan thing to see a really good example of what I mean...
Now, due to the way you are coming on here and attacking everybody, I am a little bit suspicious that you might be a troll, but if you are in fact being genuine, then I honestly do feel bad for people who are in your situation. I know there are people out there who do good things in the name of feminism, but more and more, I am seeing people just use feminism as a cover to advocate in terrible ways that in no way further the cause of equality, to say the least... You have to at least admit that this much is true, right?
And another question I ask of people who come on here saying the kind of things you are saying: could you please, if possible, give some names of specific feminist organizations that disavow the kind of bizarro world feminism that I am referring to? An organization that is composed primarily of feminists who make it very clear that they are opposed to the misandry? Because if someone could give me some examples of feminist organizations like that, it would go a long way in potentially restoring my opinion of feminism.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-womens-march-louis-farrakhan-and-the-disease-of-american-political-life
[–]morerokk 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh yeah, all those "true feminists" must be the random people hanging around on reddit. All those feminist spokespeople, feminist politicians, and feminist organizations are "not real feminists". All because some person on reddit says so.
Makes perfect sense.
[–]Dgprehec 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Muh Intersectionality!!!!??111111
Somehow feminists think that trafficking of little girls in Thailand is connected to the patriarchal oppression of a man mensplaining in the western world.
[–]jeff_the_nurse 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
MRAs got men included in the federal definition of rape...
Didn't see men marching back in 2012 to encourage the change of the definition of rape federally and in my own state.
[–]jeff_the_nurse 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
We were petitioning and campaigning on the internet!
[–]DignifiedAlpaca 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
There is definitely some truth to what you are saying there... And that is precisely what the men's rights movement wants to change. We want to get more men aware of the fact that they can and they should be out there campaigning for the issues that affect them. And for that matter, the same goes for anybody who isn't a man but happens to feel that getting the word out on men's issues is unpopular.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Didn't see men's magazines advocating for it. But guess what, feminist magazines like Mic. advocated and encouraged people to call news stations and local media to spread the change we need.
Sorry if it seems like I am trying to gang up on you, but I don't see the whole thing of changing the definition of rape as necessarily being a strong example of advocacy for men. Even after the change you are referring to, the legal definition of rape still includes the concept of penetration, which means that in practice, rape is still "anatomically biased" (so to speak) in favor of men as perpetrators.
Since the general public has a tendency to confuse the terms rape and sexual assault, this makes it easy for people with bad intentions to artificially increase the public perception of the rate of male sexual assaulters vs female. So changing the definition of rape to include men as victims makes it easier for dishonest people to further push demonization of men. I am not saying that automatically means all feminists who pushed to include men in the definition of rape didn't care about men, but rather that I just don't see this as strong evidence of a widespread effort to help men without there being a side benefit of strengthening the whole male oppressor vs female victim rhetoric that so many feminists are pushing nowadays.
In the FBI sexual assault statistics I linked to below for example, 26,364 rapes were reported with a male perpetrator with only 900 female rapists reported. For sodomy: 6,725 men vs 418 women. Sexual assault with an object: 2,554 men vs 265 women. Fondling: 26,637 male vs 2,263 female. Incest: 978 male vs 87 female. Statutory rape: 4,418 male vs 443 female.
Rape has the highest percentage of male perpetrators over female out of all the categories. So including male victims in the definition of rape, while legitimately helpful to the male victims, has the side benefit of increasing the perception of female victimhood. Same thing with referring to our society as a "rape culture" instead of a "sexual assault culture" which would at least be a more accurate use of terminology.
Now I know you might say that I am nitpicking and that the word rape rolls off the tongue much more easily than the phrase sexual assault, but that would be exactly my point... Feminists are not likely to pick apart their own political strategies for the sake of helping men because their ultimate goal is to do what helps women the most. There is nothing wrong with that in the abstract theoretical sense that feminism is a women's interest group, but nonetheless it is why I feel the men's rights movement is necessary. A gender equality debate involving only feminism is like a one party system... once you have both feminists and MRA's involved, they are both able to call each other out whenever one side gets too overly zealous in pushing their half of the story.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/nibrs-sex-offenses-study-2013
https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/blog/updated-definition-rape
[–]morerokk -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Feminism also single handedly redefined domestic violence as something that men do to women. Which erases male abuse victims in the process.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duluth_model
Feminism can never be about equality until they abolish this piece of legislature.
But I bet you do, random internet stranger. Lmaololookaoskkdkak!!!
[+]Bjorn_Hellgate -9 points-8 points-7 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Wait she used us for men and us for woman? Either she is genderfluid or its a misspel either way its a good message
[–]mikesteane 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No, she didn't. Read it again.
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