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[–]yuno4chan 454 points455 points456 points 5 years ago (108 children) | Copy Link
To be fair theres a lot of hate thrown at gay men for their preferences too. I could get into it but its exhausting to explain, basically hypocracy everywhere.
[–]jdbsays 244 points245 points246 points 5 years ago (104 children) | Copy Link
Get into it
[–]yuno4chan 461 points462 points463 points 5 years ago* (88 children) | Copy Link
Theres all these social-justice-warrior minefields to try to navigate where there seems to be a hierarchy of being offended. A big one is not being into "fem" guys. Some gay men act more masculine and some act more feminine. Some gay men prefer dating guys that act more like guys. (That sentence alone could launch a dozen HuffPo articles) And theres a HUGE push in the gay community to tell those gay men that that makes them homophobic self-hating pieces of trash.
This becomes a minefield during gay pride month where theres tons of social media posts where gay men try to shame other gay men for not being attracted to certain types of other gay men. This, of course, is ridiculous because as a gay man I'm already not attracted to women. AND no matter how much I may try to change myself I'm also not attracted to other certain attributes most people have like weight and height.
But now theres a culture of being a better gay than others so it's my obligation to 100% be attracted to everything or I'm a horrible bigot.
The truth, of course, is most of these gay guys are hypocrites. The vast majority are young personal trainers dating other personal trainers trying to get likes on Instagram. They used to post "no fats, no fems, in shape only, sorry." Today you'd be murdered on social media of you did that but it's the gods honest truth when it comes to the reality of gay dating.
Now imagine that spread across everything. I HAVE to be into pre/post trans people, I HAVE to be into drag queens, I HAVE to be into morbidly obese ("bears" although the terms been expanded to anyone with any body hair at all), I HAVE to be into twinks, I HAVE to be into blacks/asians/caucasians, I HAVE to be into rentboys.
I hope I did a clear enough job explaining this. Also if you are a gay guy offended reading this save your responses, I'm very secure in my opinions and you're not going to change it.
Oh and one more thing... open relationships. Fuck everything about open relationships.
[–][deleted] 233 points234 points235 points 5 years ago (36 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for explaining that. I was completely unaware that gay men faced the same shit as straight men. The hate that people get for personal preference is staggering, I mean, that's why it's called a personal preference in the first place. Like heaven forbid that I want a woman who is of healthy body weight and doesn't have a penis. I guess I'm fat shaming and transphobic.
[–]yuno4chan 85 points86 points87 points 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Lol, exactly.
[–][deleted] 22 points23 points24 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Wtf is a rentboy? Somebody who fucks for rent money?
[–]iburiedmyshovel 34 points35 points36 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Someone you can rent to fuck.
[–]whine_and_cheese 16 points17 points18 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
One coin two sides
[–]iburiedmyshovel 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Cockbusters
[–]jakemasterj 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
So... A gay male prostitute? I wasn't aware there was a term specifically for gay male prostitutes, but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.
[–]iburiedmyshovel 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Doesn't really have a marketing flair, does it, "gay male prostitutes?" No, no, no, "Welcome to Cockbusters, we have a great selection of rentboys for you to take home." Much better.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Call it what it is: a whore.
[–]tenchineuro 49 points50 points51 points 5 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link
The hate that people men get for personal preference is staggering
FTFY. Apparently it's still OK for women to have preferences for over 6' tall handsome millionaires.
But on the other hand, now women are being forced to accept tans-women into their group and a great many women are not OK with that at all.
[–]BulbasaurusThe7th 30 points31 points32 points 5 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
Of course not. It's a whole different type of a thing. Once I was yelled at on Reddit for saying it's impossible to treat transgender people like they were born the gender they feel they should be. My examples? Lets say I need an emergency period product. I'm not going to ask someone who was obviously born as a guy, that's stupid. I got called a bigot. My other example was this conversation I had another girl at work. She told me she suspects she has a yeast infection and such. Another woman understands gynaecology problems, obviously, as we mostly know what it is to have a normally functioning vagina as opposed to problems with it. Again, got called a bigot.
[+][deleted] -8 points-7 points-6 points 5 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
I mean, what you're saying is common sense, I totally get that.
I think what other people are seeing though is that they read the implication of "I'm not going to ask someone who was obviously born as a guy, because I hate trans people." Like sure, maybe a trans woman doesn't have the same kind of input a woman could have, but I think you're overlooking a possible scenario. Maybe being part of that 'sisterhood' to carry products for your friends when they need that shit is all part of the camaraderie a trans woman was hoping to find, assuming the gender they're most comfortable with and assimilating with the gender they identify as, and now that's just been kind of taken away because you suspect that a trans person knows less. I can totally see why they would think you're a bigot. I get that you're just applying what we would probably call common sense, but in reality you're really rejecting a person because their identity varies from yours, or that of other women. I think it's unintentionally bigoted. In essence, it's the equivalent of not asking a black guy how to be a good dad, because statistics show black men abandon their children, or whatever. Know what I mean?
[–]BulbasaurusThe7th 9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. I would also not ask a woman who is 8 months pregnant for period products, nor a grandma.
Also, I am not going to feel for someone who had these big ridiculous fairy tale ideas, borderline fetishising women's lives when the reality didn't live up to it. As a kid I thought being an adult was awesome and here we are, WTF is taxation forms, student loans and "please just stay until you can finish this piece of work that will mean at least 5 hours of overtime".
There is something wrong with the idea that reality is to blame, not the irrational hype. In certain topics trans people DO know less. Lets say tomorrow I move to China. I've always felt a connection with Chinese culture, I love Chinese food, Chinese guys are hot to me. I spend a couple of years there. Will people ask ME as an expert on intimate knowledge on China? I will know stuff as an expat, I will know things outsiders don't know, but at the same time I won't presume to know things the way born Chinese people do.
With being a woman that's the same. Someone who never grew up as a girl into a woman will not know how it is to get your first period. How it is to have it late once you are sexually active. A bunch of things like that. Even the things they can do (buying your first bra for example) is different if you do it as an adult.
They know about THEIR experiences, but at the same time don't blame women for their fantasy scenarios (which we all have about certain things, like relationships, having a job, your first child, your own home, etc.) are not all true and as sparkly and Disney-esque as they imagined.
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[–]BulbasaurusThe7th 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I have two different things. A, physical stuff they will not experience, lacking the appropriate body parts. Of course they can feel for other people, just like I can feel for a man who gets kicked in the balls because we are humans with empathy, but actual experience is different. If I have those types of female issues of course I will talk to ones who know from experience, aka bio women. B, I feel because these people believe "becoming a woman" will be the solution to all their issues they idealise it in their head and it's ridiculous to get angry at women for not living up to it. Even with women who were born female... it is not perfect loving sisterhood at all times. Girls are super vicious to other girls. Judging is always going on, competition, etc.
What really, really bothers me is that authentic women are being yelled at for not "womaning right" because we are different from what someone who wants to be a woman expected. You get what I mean? Their fantasies are their fantasies, so it's not reality that needs to be adjusted to them, but the fantasies need to be toned down to be feasible in reality.
[+][deleted] -9 points-8 points-7 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Your China example doesn't fit, because it's not a situation about identity characteristics. Really isn't anything for me to talk about there at all.
I don't think you even read my post. I definitely said that you made a point that seems firmly rooted in common sense.
I mean, I think this is even something debatable too right. Sure, I totally agree that biological women, by default, are more likely to have the kind of advice you might ask for. I haven't been debating that at all. I agree, but I think your point that trans women can share about THEIR experiences applies to bio-women too. They can only share their experiences about their bodies. That could mean, that maybe they don't have anything helpful to ask you. I think it really comes back to the same point, that you're applying the element of identity to imply that some people may be/know more than others. I still think largely I understand why people think you're a bigot, because you seem unaware of the implication that you're making: trans people are less than their biological counter parts. I can understand that you aren't specifically stating, "I think trans people are less", but your approach to the situation absolutely can be, and will be, construed as a prejudice against trans people.
To be clear, if you wanna discuss this, great, but truly I think the only way you can't be called a bigot, is if you stop making any comments that imply you think trans people are less, whether you feel that way or not.
[–]BulbasaurusThe7th 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Yout ethnicity, nationality and belonging to a culture aren't part of identity? Then how is being "POC" or part of a certain tribe are part of identity? Why is Mexican-American or Briitish-Carribean or whatever always listed with a person's other elements of identity, like gender, sexual orientation, etc.? I just find it very interesting.
Trans people are absolutely less in certain things than actual biological members of a gender. Are you really trying to tell me I am a bigot if I say transgender women are less when the topic is having a, actual, real, functioning, proper vagina? Jesus Christ on a bicycle, I am astounded. Next week I will compete at a penis beauty contest and nobody can tell me I am less at penis beauty than a guy who actually has one. Or else. The same place where Caitlyn Jenner recently won a Giving Birth To Children competition. And now, for really showing how much of a Hitler I am: Men are not women and women are not men. Shoot here, please.
[–]DootDeeDootDeeDoo -5 points-4 points-3 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Nobody teams claims to know things cis people know. That assumption, and the assumption about buying fairy tales is why people think you're bigoted- because you are.
You're using your baseless assumptions of a group as a guide for how to treat people who are in that group. That's what bigotry is hon.
[–]Salty_Cnidarian 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh yeah, you’re bigoted. You’re making an assumption about someone’s assumption, and that’s bigotry! Jesus fucking Christ, hon.
[–]BulbasaurusThe7th 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I am bigoted because others bitch when they realise their fetish fantasies about woman life are wrong. Howdy crazy? I am expected to feel bad about others living in a fantasy.
[+]Randomica -6 points-5 points-4 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Who believes this made-up shit story?
[–]BulbasaurusThe7th 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yes, it is totally an unbelievable fake story because you are offended by the facts. Thank you for your input.
[–]Randomica 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You were called a bigot for helping some lady sort out a yeast infection. Yes, that makes total sense and happens all the time and I’m just part of the big cover-up.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I meant men, thanks for fixing it. I find the trans community and the TERFs very interesting.
[–]TheJrr 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
There's actually a serious movement in lesbianism where they're pretty much forced to have sex with transgender people as well as women, lest they receive endless hate and shaming. It seems that at this point only straight women are for the most part spared, although I can't imagine that'll last for too long either.
[–]tenchineuro 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
There's actually a serious movement in lesbianism where they're pretty much forced to have sex with transgender people as well as women, lest they receive endless hate and shaming.
Really? Wow. Is this hate and shaming from the trans community, or the lesbian community?
Do we have a new acronym now? Trans Exclusive Lesbian Feminist? TELF. I guess it's pronounceable.
It seems that at this point only straight women are for the most part spared, although I can't imagine that'll last for too long either.
We shall see I guess. If they fall, guess who's next?
[–]TheJrr 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Bit of both, but primarily virtue signalling lesbians.
Can't wait for my monthly forced sexual experience with gay guys and trans people.
[–]techtesh 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
These sjw and there opprodic treadmill soon there would only be one thing an myFtmtf queer lesbian poc pos furry blaming down everyone
[–]DootDeeDootDeeDoo 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As a woman of woman unhealthy weight who wants to have a penis (ftm)- you do you. Fuck whoever you want, and tell anyone who doesn't like it they can fuck themselves.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I think some people take the implied -phobia to the extreme, which really doesn't help anyone on any side of the issue at all. From my perspective, which is personally being what you might define as pansexual, or something close to it, as well as having friends who are like that, maybe I can provide some insight on where the perceived 'SJW hate against preferences comes from.'
First, my perspective, I cannot understand how a human being can determine sexual interest by looking at an individual. I'm in an open relationship, my wife and I go to swingers clubs, we have extra partners, but when we opened up and I began to talk more about how I feel sexually, and my attraction to people, I went through a sort of sexual awakening that helped me realize how I'm attracted to people. Personality is everything. You can be a body type I don't care for (which for reference is thin people. Fit bodies are my least favorite, but even then, a physical body doesn't do much for me anyways.) or even a man, which previously I would have considered to be off the table as an option. If I like your personality, chances are I'm sexually attracted to you.
Second, from the perspective of others I know, it's similar to my case. Keep in mind this is based on friends I know, who I've had these conversations with, sexual attraction works the same to them. When they hear or read comments like "I want a woman with a healthy weight", that shit flies over their head, they don't comprehend the concept of physical sexual attraction in the same way. In a way, you're sort of crossing the boundary of identity characteristics, because you're not actually interested in the person, you're interested in the thing they represent, which can be construed as being a vapid, shallow person.
Truly, I think a lot of body positive SJWs absolutely understand concepts like preference, but now that relationships are evolving, more people are taking on non-monogamous lifestyles, and the concept of sex positive environments are becoming more widespread, there's just a group of people who don't understand your preferences. Honestly in 2019, when I see fit people say they wanna fuck fit people, I 100% don't understand it. Like I've met some fit people with some abysmal personalities. I've met overweight people with abysmal personalities, so for me, I can't process the idea that a human being can be sexually attracted to someone based on a single physical characteristic.
[–]yurituran 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I think you just explained it yourself though. You like personalities and usually to like those personalities they have to fit within a band of what you would consider acceptable. Physicality is just another attribute someone has and some people are more concerned about that than others and have preferences and that’s ok.
You wouldn’t want someone saying you should date someone who’s personality you find terrible or else be shamed for it. So it ridiculous to shame someone for wanting their potential partner to look a certain way or have characteristics they like
Regarding your second point, actually yeah, people do get shamed for that kind of stuff. It starts in high school right? I mean, we can use a hypothetical person for this, the stereotypical vapid hot cheerleading captain. I think it's a waste of time to really form that into a full position, but people already do get shamed for not dating, or being interested in, people with bad personalities, especially because, people with bad personalities can still be very attractive individuals. I'm sure most men have heard it, "Why wouldn't you like X? She's hot."
I'm not trying to defend people shaming each other in any way at all, I'm simply saying, I can see it happening, but more importantly, disregarding a person because of their personality usually isn't an element of the 'body positivity movement' either, and I can fully see why shaming happens over preference of body more consistently in current time, than shaming over choice of personality.
[–]sketchiboo -4 points-3 points-2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sick bastard, /s
[–]jdbsays 63 points64 points65 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I think its awesome you got into it because its something moat people outside the gay community wouldnt have exposure to. Stick to your guns. Hold your preferences and if people begrudge you for it, fuckem.
[–]yuno4chan 48 points49 points50 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Thank you. It's very frustrating because being gay is hard enough. Now gay men are finding ways to tell other gay men their sexual preferences are wrong and I'm fucking sick of it.
Especially when it's the elite party class of Instagram gays that are "professional influencers" and would never date anyone with more than 7% bodyfat or less that 100k followers.
[–]BulbasaurusThe7th 20 points21 points22 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The Emma Watsons of the gay world? She did the same, blabbering about dating sensitive feminist soft bois, while dating an old money Oxford rugby player at the time, with a beard and big muscles?
[–]TheJrr 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"Do as I say, not as I do" taken to the extreme.
[–]bteh 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm sorry sir, you're not quite gay enough...
If someone said that to my friends that's reason for a fight and a public boycott
This. I'm a pretty meek and timid (but not little) guy, and thanks to the place I live, I'm can't say I've really felt the brunt of the "gay experience" some people have to put up with. Where I live I'd feel pretty safe going on dates, kissing a guy in public, etc., but if someone has the gall to tell me I'm not doing the being gay right when the whole point of the push for equality was our unfiltered self expression as who we are, I'm throwing hands with that stupid mofo.
[–][deleted] 38 points39 points40 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
The term was coined years ago, but it's still the most accurate:
"Oppression Olympics".
[–]yuno4chan 27 points28 points29 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Finally a sport other than figure skating and diving that us gays can dominate!!!
[–]Rickyversache 13 points14 points15 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm 13% victim!
[–]onbakeplatinum 16 points17 points18 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
...rent boy?
[–]yuno4chan 26 points27 points28 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Male hooker.
[–]Bartleby_TheScrivene 22 points23 points24 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Upvoted for the last line.
[–]katsumi27 9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Had a Roomate who was “bi” and did open relationships. She would complain that nobody took her seriously in relationships and said it was do to -ism
No. It was because you wanted to fuck everybody.
[–]sketchiboo 9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for explaining who knew gays get it so hard.
[–]TheHawk71 16 points17 points18 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Gays get it hard. Lmao
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This becomes a minefield during gay pride month where theres tons of social media posts where gay men try to shame other gay men for not being attracted to certain types of other gay men.
How about my sexual preferences are not up for discussion, much less remediation by some fucking stranger?
[–]Kinerae 9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
People in general have been mistaking preference for prejudice lately. Some told me not being attracted to black chicks makes me racist or something.
[–]linkpopper 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Dude, I'm straight for the most part, and I have a girlfriend, but damn, are beefy dudes hot. I blame jojos and twitch(gachibass)
[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
As a straight guy I can look at a man and think, “damn he’s attractive”.
[–]TheHawk71 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No you’re definitely gay.
I kid. I kid!
[–]tenchineuro 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Now imagine that spread across everything. I HAVE to be into pre/post trans people,
Interesting comment, but straight guys are also being shamed for not being into trans-women.
And if I get your general drift correctly, that things just don't work that way, I agree.
[–]iburiedmyshovel 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Preach! You like dudes because you like dudes but you're supposed like dudes who don't act like dudes. I didn't go through all the years of self-rejection/shame/hate/acceptance just so that I could feign attraction to people so I could stop feigning attraction to people. Seeing stuff like "no blacks" does really bother me (although I mostly let go of grindr years ago so I'm pretty isolated), but then again, the same principle applies - it's a hookup app, not a dating service. You can't tell people what they should be attracted to - the irony that this has been completely lost on our community is beyond me.
Edit: fuck open relationships indeed.
[–]SirHuwOf____ 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They’re eating their own.
Also I agree fuck open relationships.
[–]Moneyworks22 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That last sentence, whats up with that?
[–]iburiedmyshovel 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
The vast majority of gay people seem indifferent to monogamy. Promiscuity is the norm (gays invented grindr long before tinder was a thing, and before that there was manhunt, and before that bathhouses), so open relationships have also become the norm. Wanting a monogamous relationship both romantically and sexually is deviant. Anecdotally, I lost my virginity in a threesome with a long-time couple (before marriage equality was nationally enacted), have had sex with another married couple, then just one of the guys after the other went to work (granted, he was a stripper that i picked up from the club), and another married guy who was separating because they were in an open relationship but his husband didn't use protection, lied about his encounters, and contracted HIV. Oh yea, and that British guy from the gay bar. And I'm really, really quite uh...unexperienced...when it comes to sex, comparable to the rest of the community (seriously, id say im averaging three people a year, and thats declining). Half of my sexual experience is with guys committing extramarital relations (even if their SO was aware). And almost all the others were my own relationships.
Wanting a monogamous relationship is distinctly odd. It's part of many reasons I've made very little effort looking for romance. Being gay is great if you're a fruity slut, nowadays. Not so much otherwise.
[–]imme10036 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That was extremely enlightening, thanks for your shared wisdom.
[–]Pee_Noot_Skoot 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Twinks?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I think it's like that cheap cake thing.
[–]Pee_Noot_Skoot 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And what's that?
[–]jason2306 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sounds really annoying. Hope things will calm down but I don't think that will happen anytime soon, especially when it gets clicks when you make shitty articles about it.
I'm not gay so I know I don't understand, but I can only imagine the confusion and frustration. Realizing your gay seems like you're realizing you're attracted to traditional "masculine" traits so, why would you be into a highly effeminate man if you're into masculinity? I don't see why people cant just like what they like and not worry about labels
Guaranteed that 85-90% of the guys in this thread will become so enraged that they will accidentally whack off to an AOC meme in anger, using Big Mac sauce as lube
[–]seraph85 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for the insight on something I had no idea about. I would have thought that, by their very nature men wouldn't be so judgmental to each other. Why does being gay change such a static dynamic that men are well know for? Is it more the community at large or is it the other men?
[–]BarefootUnicorn 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly right. I don't tolerate obesity. But for some reason, even though the gay rights movement is all about allowing people to have an "affectional preference" you're not allowed to not like fat people.
And while I'm sympathetic to many transgendered people, I'm not sexually attracted. There's also a phenomenon in the GLB community where people who have no "sexual capital' -- obese blobs lacking all social skills -- will come out as "trans" or "genderqueer" just to be accepted as something and to have a personal reason to believe why nobody's attracted to them. And gay people are supposed to pretend that these people are as attractive viable sexual and life partners as anyone else.
[–]Iamthewalrus482 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That is insane. You should be able to love who ever the hell you want and openly have preferences for what you’re attracted too. No matter how hard you try you can’t make yourself attracted to something you’re not. You would never expect a gay man to be able to force himself to like women, why the fuck is this idea that forcing yourself to like someone morbidly obese makes you ‘fair and inclusive’ that’s nuts yo. I will never be attracted to morbidly obese people. I’m not a monster for not wanting to fuck every single person on the face of the planet.
Fuck those toxic people.
[–]Sekolah 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I thought the whole damn point was you can love who you love, all that other shit doesn't matter :(
[–]bteh 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As a straight guy who has gay friends, this is bullshit, nobody should be shamed into who they date, we all have preferences.
I personally lean towards middle shaped women, but I'd be pissed if someone said I had to date women or else.
That's not at all how preferences work. Why can every uggo chick demand an 8+ with all the accessories, but others can't.
[–]Flaggermusmannen 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Very clear thank you. I could imagine it was something like that, but as a completely oblivious outsider the thought to think about it never occurred to me. It is like I tend to believe, being shitty is a human thing, not a "specific group" thing.
Note: I am also completely aware there non shitty people, even great people, and I adore them all when I experience them.
One of the guys at my company has a girlfriend who gave him permission to get a Tinder account and sleep with as many girls as he wants. The rest of us agreed that the original relationship must be pretty pointless then, and I guess it's circling the bowl. I find it really sad because there's a lot of really good men out there who are looking for that special lady and then we get guys who are in a committed "relationship" and sleep around and take it for granted. I will never understand that. Happens in the gay community too. I will never ever have a side piece because it took me a long time to find my ideal man (I'm gay) and I'm not letting anyone or anything get in the way of ruining it. But sometimes it's inevitable and there's nothing you can do if it's time to part ways.
I also have my standards and I feel bad about that, but I agree with you. I guess there's certain things people should keep to themselves. I like what I like and nobody is going to tell me otherwise. I can't believe the shit I saw on different profiles in the dating apps. I'll admit I put stuff like "If you like cats, like to stay in shape, and are serious, then come on down boys!" on my old A4A profile but I didn't put racial/weight/no femmes etc standards. When I reopened my old Grindr account, I was like "No wonder nobody messaged me." I wrote it when I was single and desperate. God, I was pathetic. I was even willing to sleep with a guy that was 2 years older than my dad.
[–]WayabouTrayush 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well, he got into it
[–]Singulaire 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Masculine cis male homosexuals are the straight people of homosexuals. You're just too privileged. Don't you understand that being "queer" means rebelling against the status quo?
[–]mikerichh 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for the explanation. Still surprised people are unaware of the secret gay man if you will. Aka an average looking dude with nothing super flamboyant but just likes men. No higher range voice, etc.
I think society really pushed a label on voice/appearance etc so men like that really confuse people and <gasp> causes them to think outside of a generic, hollywood-made label
[–]CircleToShoot 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I wish people wouldn't give a shit about what someone else is in to.
[–]DJ-Roukan 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Guy, we are all men. We are all under fire.
Thanks for illustrating that for us.
[+]SomeDudeNamedSnowZz -9 points-8 points-7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Haha, fags
[–]Gayorg_Zirschnitz 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I was with you but where did that last bit come from??
[–]Taeyx 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
thanks for breaking this down. i wasn’t aware gay men were going through this. it reminds me of how people reacted to ginuwine basically being assaulted by a trans-woman on camera after saying he was not attracted to trans-women..like if you’re a straight guy, you HAVE to be attracted to ALL women, and transwomen are women, so you HAVE to be attracted to them or you’re transphobic
[–]yuno4chan 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm blown away people are still finding this post after 2 years.
[–]theCourtofJames 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
https://youtu.be/Uc9_mxvP1K0
Here's a crash course if you need it.
[+]catchinggreen -17 points-16 points-15 points 5 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
In the gay community, you'll often hear the phrase "Masc4Masc". Masc4Masc is a common trope that means "I am a straight-acting male seeking another straight-acting male". It's more commonly used by people further the closet and often times the person to claim to be "masc" is actually just completely unaware of their gay lisp or feminine mannerisms. Being "Masc4Masc" is often associated with self-hate because essentially it means you're attracted to the kind of person you wish you were. The fact that OP is unaware of this makes me think he's never spoken with a gay guy about the dating world.
[–]yuno4chan 14 points15 points16 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Honey, I've read The Velvet Rage, I've had people yell at me on Scruff for saying "into masculine guys." I've gone on dates with men that present as more feminine and my dick was just not into it. If I could get a boner from 100% of gay men then I'd date 100% of gay men. But just like how some straight men aren't into red-heads or other straight men I apparently have a part of my lizard brain that is subconsciously turned on by men that act and sound like western societies idea of a normal man.
What's really fucked up is that guys who say "into fem guys" dont get any hate. I guess I shouldn't be offended that there are gay men just not into me?
[–]catchinggreen -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don't get me wrong, I agree with your sentiment, but I think your missing some cultural context. If a straight women say's she's not into black guys, it's one of those things that make someone's ears prop up. It's possible that she has taken independent time and has an odd dissatisfaction with melanin, but it's probably more likely that she grew up in a society that saw black men as "lesser". In American society, it's common in the dating world to have a higher bar of expectations for black men. It's similar in the gay community. When a person says they're Masc4Masc, it's totally possible for them to be truly straight acting and be into other straight acting men. With cultural context, it's more often said because the person is holding a bit of internalized homophobia because they grew up seeing feminine men as "lesser"
[–]iburiedmyshovel 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I think it's more a way of saying "i don't act overtly and intentionally effeminate and im attracted to those who do not as well," because feminine gays have taken the identity of the group and not everyone wants to fuck a walking pride parade in a skirt.
But thanks for being a prime example of what OP was referring to.
[–]catchinggreen 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
That is what the statement means, but there's a cultural context behind it. For example a white guy or girl can say they're not attracted to black people and it's totally possible for that to be an innocent comment, but given some cultural context we know it's more likely that there's an underlying level of unintentional racism. It's similar in the gay community, where "Masc4Masc" guys can totally be only into "masc" men, but they probably have an underlying level of internalized homophobia because they grew up in a community thinking feminine men are somehow lesser.
[–]iburiedmyshovel 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
That's a really sweeping yet complex judgment on something that seems really straight forward to me. By that logic, men are gay because of subconscious misogyny, and I noped out of the last hookup I (would've) had because I have some internalized hatred for femininity linked to high pitched voices, not because he sounded like a representative from the lollipop guild. Who is anyone to condemn someone for the choices that they make on who they choose to consensually fuck? Sure, take issue with their tact or sensitivity, but get out of here with your pyschoanalytical, pseudointellectual victim-focused bullshit.
[–]catchinggreen 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Wtf. How in the world did you get that? Sexual orientation is an inborn trait, while dating preferences come more from experience and social pressures. Again, it's totally fine to have your own preferences. I am discussing the social pressures against flamboyancy and how that plays a role in gay dating.
[–]iburiedmyshovel 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
Sure, but you're missing the point that the barrier is sexual attraction - you can't just disregard it. Or are your advocating that people have a duty to date outside of their attraction to see if one eventually develops? When you see these tropic taglines, it's typically in the context of hooking up, not dating. So I'm not even sure why you think any of what you said applies. OP spoke of dating, but dating starts with attraction.
No one calls a woman self-hating or pressured by society because a guy with muscles who can fix her shit and makes her feel safe gets her wet, but a guy who collects dolls and sings showtunes turns her off. We accept it for what it is - natural attraction. But when it comes to gay men, you want to apply and accept biological attraction, and then totally deny it in the next breath.
[–]catchinggreen 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Sure, but you're missing the point that the barrier is sexual attraction
I'm going to draw your attention to this comment and remind you of my previous comparison with women or men claiming they're not into black people. It's totally possible for it to be truly innocent, but are we really going to try and claim that there are biological reasons that this trend exists? Of course not, in fact studies tend to suggest that genetic variation is found to be more attractive. Obviously the concept of "straight acting" is more of a personality trait, but the point I want to make is that your sense of sexual attraction can be limited by social pressures. In fact there another phrase in the gay dating world that I think might help you better understand my point: "no fats, no fems, no blacks, no asians". It's totally possible for these to all be legitimate preferences, but if I see this phrase, I'm more likely to think the guy has some internal issues.
[–]iburiedmyshovel 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Ok, sure, but the original point was in specific regards to the phrase "Masc4Masc" and the rejection of effeminate men with the intent of attraction. So you've branched it out into something tangential, and then reversed your tenuous conclusions, rather than looking at it, in and of itself. It's really reaching. Again, this is the point OP was making, in trying to force attraction on people, then denigrating them, rather than just accepting it.
In your last comment, I'd agree - that guy does have internal issues. Not due to whether his attraction is true to his statement, but because he doesn't have the social intelligence or empathy to understand that a blanket boilerplate like that is extremely off-putting, hints at the bigotry you reference, and reeks of narcissism. It's the means, not the end, that's the real problem. But then again, in the context of grindr, where you're literally being judged on your looks alone to determine whether you're fuckable or not, all I can really do is shrug.
[–]LettuceBeGrateful 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Mild aside, but I think it's tragic how some people feel they have to hide a core part of themselves to such a degree that these communities have come up with language around it.
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You literally push stereo types and don't understand gay culture. I'd bet you're a pusher-top at best. And at worst? A bear who always asks for a comb.
[–]C4H8N8O8 10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I've seen
" if you are into thin guys you are looking for men who look like women"
" you can't date outside of your race."
" you can't date inside of your race."
[–]Thunder21 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
To be faaaiiiiir
[–]El_Maltos_Username 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
True I've seen some SJW articles thrown against gay folks. Mostly about racial dating preferences.
[–]MaleNeanderthal 642 points643 points644 points 5 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
Straight guy trying to get people to like him by being more woke: I love all body types
Group: Stop lying. You’re just a horny, sexist guy
You can’t win with these people
[–]animuscuriae 98 points99 points100 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yes. The answer is don't give a fuck about the"group"
[–]DatOpenSauce 18 points19 points20 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yep. This will always be the answer with everything in life. People will judge you on everything in life. Never stop trying to improve yourself and never completely block out feedback, but practicing being firm in your own shoes will really help in your day to day life. I've been working on this for over a year now - I say practice because it's not easy, but keep doing it and you'll believe it from your heart. I really don't give a fuck now.
[–]GeneralDogsbody 116 points117 points118 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
"You're just desperate for whatever you can get. You're gross"
[–][deleted] 50 points51 points52 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I feel like literally all of this just translates to "I hate straight men".
[–]notapotamus 12 points13 points14 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's a bingo, and you should just write those ppl off. Their opinions are not relevant to your life.
[–]Private_Meh 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Pretty much the whole woke crowd does. They just want to hide it behind buzzwords.
[–]Hammedic 40 points41 points42 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
When your ideology necessitates that an entire group of people are lesser than you based on traits that are out of their control, then anything that group does to get out from under your prejudice will just seem like lies or deception to you.
Racism, sexism, modern feminism, anti-semitism. All just hateful intolerance.
[–]fengpi[🍰] 12 points13 points14 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
"I like a woman with some meat on her bones."
"Fat-fetishist chubby-chaser!"
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Fucking this though, this is the cross I will die on, that I like chubby girls more than skinny ones and that makes me either a fat fetishist or someone covering their ass OR more of than not a liar that's just looking for sex
Exactly. You like what you like. Don‘t let people tell you that you are a ‚fat fetishist‘ because you like chubby women. I mean I also like all body types on women and it‘s not too much of a deal for me but I do prefer chubby chicks too. It‘s just a preference. Being called a ‚chubby-chaser‘ or some other bs is fucking weird imo though. Reminds me of those disgusting people who feed their gf to the point that they are morbidly obese and can‘t do anything on their own. I don‘t want to be compared to a weirdo, fuck those people and everyone who uses the term ‚chubby-chaser‘, I am a normal dude and making me sound like a crazy guy just because I like chubby chicks is wrong. Girls who prefer ‚dad bods‘ don‘t get called like that too, only men for some reason.
[–]TracyMorganFreeman 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's because shame is their only means to power.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Depends on who says it and in what context
Oh—I—oh—I—oh—I—oh—I I'm in love with your body
Oh—I—oh—I—oh—I—oh—I
I'm in love with your body
[–]Hazzman 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So stop trying to win?
Do you... fuck what people think.
[–]pardonmeimdrunk 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You can’t win so don’t bother trying. You’re attracted to young beautiful fit women and there’s nothing wrong with it, don’t let anyone tell you otherwise and be proud of your natural state.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If they are going to hate you anyway, you might as well just honestly state your preference so you don't hate yourself. Even if I could get more karma for stating what I think people want to read, I'd rather be honest about what I like and have everyone hate me for it. *shrug*
[–]letmeseem 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Pro tip: The real issue here is that people don't like it when you unsolicited start talking about your sexual preferences.
[–]FlyingPasta 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ugh that is such an unjust and completely fabricated scenario
[–]HelloJelloWelloNo -3 points-2 points-1 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
“With these people”
That would be ok except this entire sub then goes on to consistently accuse entire groups and societies of these things.
You guys are so victimized by yourselves that it’s embarrassing, holy fuck
[–]mgtowolf 189 points190 points191 points 5 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Fuck the group.
[–]Skollgrimm 57 points58 points59 points 5 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
We live in a society.
[–]Mondraverse 40 points41 points42 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
I live in a house
[–]tenchineuro 18 points19 points20 points 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
House lives in a society.
[–]PrettyDecentSort 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
But everybody lies.
[–]tenchineuro 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I'm having trouble believing you.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
We live in a society of liars.
[–]tenchineuro 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's the truth.
[–]societybot 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
BOTTOM TEXT
[–]mgtowolf 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
My house lives in the fuckin woods :P
[–]tenchineuro 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Maybe it needs therapy, or some nearby house to talk to?
[–]jdbsays 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
George please let everyone have a voice.
[–]Amane_VIII 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Bottom text
[–]OldSchoolNewRules 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Look at this pervert trying to start an orgy
[–]p3achy-Angel 66 points67 points68 points 5 years ago (63 children) | Copy Link
Gay guys have it bad too
[–]darkguardian823 33 points34 points35 points 5 years ago (59 children) | Copy Link
Seriously, I talk about sexual Attraction to another man the same way a straight dude talks about a hour woman, and then I get labeled "the slut of the group". Ive been in a committed relationship for 10 years.....
[–][deleted] 21 points22 points23 points 5 years ago* (58 children) | Copy Link
what about how when you talk about men the same way straight men talk about women all day , your one of those gays thats always "pushing it down others throats " .
Edit: As a request from tenchineuro I want to clarify what i mean , What im trying to say is that all men are scum and we should be giving every male a lobotomy at birth. If you have a penis you are worthless and i mean EVERY one with a penis . ALL MEN .
[–]tenchineuro 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
the same way straight men talk about women all day
How do straight men talk about women all day?
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
"Wow dude did you notice how hot Jennifer is ?"
[–]tenchineuro 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
All day? Really? I must be doing something wrong.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
you think youre cute .
[–]tenchineuro 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
You think you're describing all men all the time, maybe you should observe real men on a daily basis and see if they actually do what you claim?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Ha you have no reason to be like this . your saying youve never heard a man talk about how hot a girl is? I am a straight man i have a lot of adult male friend coworkers and am around people almost every day i can tell you that most straight men talk about the women they find attractive same with gay men , gay men talk about guys they find attractive. I think you are trying to start a useless argument over semantics.
[–]tenchineuro 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Ha you have no reason to be like this . your saying youve never heard a man talk about how hot a girl is?
You're saying that it's all that men do, which is quite a different story.
[–]Sour_Badger 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (41 children) | Copy Link
Nah the shoving it down everyone’s throat part is when your whole identity is around being gay. Change it up talk about your crocheting( Ha gaaaaay) or cars or shopping or whatever interest you have besides cock gobbling. Some straight guys do it too. They literally can’t turn it off especially around friends.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (40 children) | Copy Link
Have you ever stopped to think that maybe its is a big part of their identity?
Some straight guys do it too. They literally can’t turn it off especially around friends.
exactly. and gay men get told that they are shoving there gay down peoples throats when they do it, i honestly dont see your argument or are you agreeing with me , its honestly hard to tell .
[–]Sour_Badger 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (39 children) | Copy Link
I’m saying it’s obnoxious no matter straight or gay. One is called a misogynist or chauvinist the other is a flamer.
[–]darkguardian823 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (37 children) | Copy Link
But, if you aren't flaming, but Brad over there has an ass you can bounce a quarter off, and you mention it at all, are you still a flamer?
[–]Sour_Badger 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (36 children) | Copy Link
No. If you can never turn the twink lisp off, the over the top drama setting is the default, and most things you talk about are in regards to your sexuality you fit the bill to me. In pointing out Brad I’d probably reply with the dumb and dumber line and we’d chuckle and move on.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (35 children) | Copy Link
If you can never turn the twink lisp off, the over the top drama setting is the default, and most things you talk about are in regards to your sexuality you fit the bill to me.
So you just dont like gay people, typical bigot changing your opinion when its convenient for you. Before you said you dislike it in anyone , now you prove exactly my point , that if a straight man does it you laugh but if a gay man does it you see it as pushing down your throat. What a hypocrite.
[–]darkguardian823 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (30 children) | Copy Link
Woah woah woah, slow down there Mary, read past exactly the period at the end. He says he would react with some Dumb and Dumber quote and a chuckle. If you're 2 straight guys, and one comments on someone that the other isn't attracted to, this is exactly the way a straight guy would react. He is just talking about gay people who think dressing nice and watching Drag race is a substitute for a personality.
[–]Sour_Badger 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
Here I’ll do it for the other one too just for you mr sensitive. If you can never turn off the bro voice, only ever talk about bangin hoes, and measure your worth by your conquests you’re an insufferable asshole.
I agree .
[–]C4H8N8O8 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
pushing it down other throats
That's hot.
[–]RagingAlien 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And from I gather when talking to girls, they also suffer from this. Almost like people just tend to judge anything regardless of who's saying it.
[–]idealcastle -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Well mostly by other men. Straight men have it worse from everyone else.
[–]p3achy-Angel 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Actually, I have received more hate from girls than straight guys
[–][deleted] 118 points119 points120 points 5 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link
Gay guy: I like straight men.
[–]Optimal_Revolution 63 points64 points65 points 5 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link
There was actually the dumbest post about that. There was some guy insisting the men he had been with were straight
[–][deleted] 80 points81 points82 points 5 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
In his defense, those guys probably insisted they were straight too
[–][deleted] 19 points20 points21 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's not gate if it's a feminine penis.
[–]Optimal_Revolution 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I mean, he believed them while they were sleeping with him.
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
r/thatsthejoke
[–]Optimal_Revolution 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I will just bite the bullet and r/woooosh myself
[–]Becki_Minaj8 points 5 years ago* [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link
There are actually lots of guys who fuck guys who insist that they are straight though. It's pretty common. They don't do it to get laid. They legitimately believe they are straight. They're usually actually bi, hetero-romantic guys.
They are the same guys who say it's not gay to get your cock sucked by a guy or "a hole is a hole" btw.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
The way I see it is if one voluntarily has sex with (including oral on it's own) with another man he cannot possibly be straight. He doesn't have to be gay but he's on the scale.
[–]PrettyDecentSort 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Everybody's on the scale. It's a continuum from no gay to all gay. Not being on the scale makes as much sense as the oil tanker being outside the environment.
[–]pankakke_ 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Correct, Sexuality is a spectrum. Most people don’t get this.
[–]kragshot 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's actually a thing. The phrase is "does not identify as gay" and it's the source of the whole "on the down-low" among African American gay men, among others. If you ask these men about their sexuality, they will swear that they are not gay and that their indulgence in gay sex is not serious but just "something that they do." These men often have wives and children that are unaware of their "pastime" and in some cases, the denial of these men is so drastic that they will even ignore using protection because of the idea in their heads that they are not engaging in "real sexual activity."
[–]Supernumiphone 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
There's a reason sex researchers came up with the term "MSM"
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Another reason was to try to explain to thugs in prison why raping that guy in cell block B can expose them to AIDS.
"No, man, you get that if you're gay". It's not being homosexual, dude, it's the fact that you're exposed to viruses by fucking a guy and getting his blood into your dickhole.
Hence, MSM. "Okay fine, you're not gay. But you raping that snitch is why you have AIDS."
[–]Optimal_Revolution 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
It is still making them not straight. If you sleep with other men, you are not straight, it is not rocket science. There is nothing wrong with it sure, but they're still gay
[–]Becki_Minaj11 points 5 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
Yeah they are still gay or bi or whatever, but they don't think that they are.
So the term msm is very useful because if a researcher asks "are you gay?" these guys will say "no" and believe they are telling the truth. Asking "do you have sex with men?" gets more accurate results because it's based on facts and not how a guy identifies himself.
Also there are bi guys who never fuck dudes (or women). And gay guys who never fuck dudes (incels or afraid). More reason to ask directly about the sex people have rather than how they identify.
[–]UnexplainedShadowban 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
And gay guys who never fuck dudes (incels or afraid).
Or priests. Clergy was pushed as an path for men that can't indulge their desires without sinning.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not very effective looking at Catholic church.
[–]C4H8N8O8 -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Actually there is a huge fetish community of gay men having sex with straight (and "straight") men. Usually role-playing fantasies or porn.
And hey you don't have to be homosexual to have homosexual sex, if women won't give what you want...
I had a gay guy tell me (a straight guy) that he likes straight men last week and it made me really uncomfortable. Not because I'm homophobic (I'm not), but because the way he said it made it sound like he doesn't care about consent.
[–]jdbsays 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ofcourse. Straight guys are the only guys not trying to rip his anus
[–]bkrugby78 79 points80 points81 points 5 years ago* (17 children) | Copy Link
Me: I like chicks that lift weights
Group: Eww you must be gay!
You literally can not win! But as long as I score a powerlifting princess, I won't care :)
Edit: I realize he was being sarcastic now thanks for the assists peeps.
[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Me too!
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 5 years ago* (13 children) | Copy Link
The only instance in which being gay is a bad thing ostensibly. Homophobic much ?
Edit: /s
[–]bkrugby78 10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Nah, but this is the internet, so I know you don't really care anyways.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Bruh, I was agreeing with you. The same people who would be triggered about something “homophobic” would be - according to your joke - homophobic about the “eww you’re gay”
[–]bkrugby78 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oohh sorry I didn't read it that way. I spend so much time in other subs I have a hard time distinguishing. My bad bruh.
[–]up48 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
He was agreeing with you and you somehow took it as an insult.
[–]bkrugby78 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
I don't know that any sane person would see that statement as agreeable.
[–]up48 -4 points-3 points-2 points 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
He was saying that the people who would call you gay for being into a weightlifting girl would be homophobic...
But hey, a conservative with a persecution complex, name a more iconic duo.
[–]OmniCrush 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
It could be read as calling him/her homophobic for making the joke, or calling the hypothetical people making the joke homophobic. Clearly, rkrugby is reading it as being called homophobic.
Also, saying they're a conservative with a persecution complex because of an ambiguity in a sentence is a bit funny to me.
[–]up48 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
It could be if you’re trying to be offended.
Seems pretty clear what it’s trying to say though because it only makes sense if read as one way.
[–]OmniCrush 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I don't think they were trying to be offended. They read, "homophobic much?" knew they were the person being talked to, and directly understood that to mean they were being called homophobic, as opposed to the hypothetical persons. The sentence also makes sense when directed at them.
[–]up48 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
How does that first sentence work if it’s directed at him?
If you read homophobic and immediately think your being insulted that’s pretty telling.
[–]bkrugby78 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ah yeah I see that now. Apologies :)
[–]jasperspaw 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
r/hardbodies
[–][deleted] 75 points76 points77 points 5 years ago (169 children) | Copy Link
As a straight man who prefers a woman with large breasts, I can relate to this. I refuse to marry a woman with small breasts. That’s a deal breaker for me. When I have mentioned this, the pushback I get is men and women telling me cliches like ”it’s whats on the inside that counts” or “beauty fades.” If you are going to marry someone, you better like what’s on the outside AND what’s on the inside. This is the one and only person you are going to be faithful to until one of you dies (ideally). Absolutely you should be picky.
I was in the middle of writing several more paragraphs and decided to just make my own post.
[–]dj_crosser 96 points97 points98 points 5 years ago (55 children) | Copy Link
I get what you're saying but man if small breasts are the only thing keeping you from the perfect woman then damn that's tough
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I dunno man. I was way more specific about my ideal woman than this guy, and I ended up marrying her. You only need to find one.
Congratulations!
[–][deleted] 21 points22 points23 points 5 years ago* (52 children) | Copy Link
the only thing keeping you from the perfect woman
Ahh but the "perfect woman" is a very subjective thing. If she has small breasts then she's not perfect in my eyes. You're using the tactic "Why can't you see her the way I see her" and that always backfires when it comes to finding a mate.
[–]dj_crosser 48 points49 points50 points 5 years ago (48 children) | Copy Link
I wasn't trying to tell you what the ideal woman was but I'm pretty sure the majority of men and women would tell you that choosing based solely on breast size is kinda shallow and a little dumb. But hey man you do you.
[–][deleted] 29 points30 points31 points 5 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
choosing based solely on breast size
That's not what I am doing, and I am getting sick of tired of people assuming that breast size is the only thing that matters to me. In my original post, I said
If you are going to marry someone, you better like what’s on the outside AND what’s on the inside.
Just because breast size matters to me doesn't mean it's the only thing that matters.
But hey man you do you.
Have been for many years now, and you the same. I hope you find a perfect woman for you even if other people criticize you for your preferences.
[–]Wannton47 21 points22 points23 points 5 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Devils advocate here, I think the point is just hypothetically if a woman comes along and checks every single box in a way that you have never encountered, would small breasts stop you from wanting to be with her?
Either way do you man, understand your passion and position, just don’t think it was that wild of a question.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
if a woman comes along and checks every single box in a way that you have never encountered, would small breasts stop you from wanting to be with her?
In this hypothetical situation, would the woman be willing to get breast augmentation if I paid for it?
[–]Wannton47 18 points19 points20 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Lolll I think for the purpose/spirit of the question let’s say no, though I think that pretty much answers the question.
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I think for the purpose/spirit of the question let’s say no
Then I'm not interested in her, and she goes her way while I go mine.
[–]Wannton47 12 points13 points14 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fair enough
[–]MexicanGolf 16 points17 points18 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Then you are, in practice if not in theory, choosing based on breast size.
If this is turned on its head it also means you'll straight-up decline to progress with a person if their tits ain't large enough, further emphasizing that you're choosing based on breast size.
Don't get me wrong here you can do whatever it is that you want, but don't kid yourself about what it is that you're doing. If you think other people should accept your view for what it is, the least you can do is to do it too.
she has a dick
she
has a dick
*frown*
This is not 4chan. Why did you even post that? https://youtu.be/MjdgAZZ0aIk
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago* (33 children) | Copy Link
I'm pretty sure the majority of men and women would tell you
I don't give a damn what the majority of men and woman tell me. They have no say in who my spouse will be. The mob doesn't get to dictate to me what my dealbreakers are.
[–]xxshidoshi 12 points13 points14 points 5 years ago (26 children) | Copy Link
I think the backfire you get is because of the way you speak. You can have a preference and still not be shallow.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link
You can have a preference
What's the point of having preferences if you compromise them?
[–]xxshidoshi 12 points13 points14 points 5 years ago* (20 children) | Copy Link
I don’t know dude when you fall for someone you kinda just stop caring. I thought I’d ALWAYS want a guy with a big dick and told myself I’d refuse sex with men smaller then 7 inches. Now I’m with my bf and he’s smaller then 7 inches but I absolutely love his size.
Hopefully when you like someone you like all of them. Not low key resent them for something that they’re born with.
To each their own but you don’t need to say things the way you do, it sounds like you kind of want to be attacked for your (excuse me) preference**** with the way you word things
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
it sounds like you kind of want to be attacked for your opinion
I didn't state an opinion. I stated a preference. Just because I refuse to be gentle with my words or refuse to start my statement with the words "I'm sorry but" doesn't mean I want to be attacked and it doesn't give other people the right to attack me. For fuck's sake, I thought r/mensrights would be a spot on Reddit were I could be honest about my preferences in women without worrying about being vilified for it.
[–]xxshidoshi 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
No one is giving you shit, it’s your preference and I respect it, other people have said they do too. I just think if you’re going to share something on the internet be ready for someone to be against it. In your case people really don’t like how shallow you sound.
[–]feministsonredditare -3 points-2 points-1 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Lol. Of course a female equating primary sexual characteristics with secondary.
Men can never talk about breasts without a woman jumping in to somehow make it about mens genitals and remind us how much they objectify men.
Also you must have a really deep hole.
[–]xxshidoshi 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You sound like an idiot, did you not read anything about this conversation lmao go back to mommy
[–]RagingAlien 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Because that's what living in a society and with other people is like? Nothing is perfect for anyone, but a lot of it can be really good if you compromise a bit.
Because that's what living in a society and with other people is like
I'm not talking about living society. I'm talking about finding a wife.
[–]RagingAlien 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You're talking about living with another person. If the perfect girl appeared to you but was as strict as you are being about something like, for example, your muscle mass, you wouldn't get together either. You need compromises to live with other people in this world.
[–]dj_crosser 9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I'm just saying the way you worded your original comment makes you sound like an asshole like of course we all have preferences and nobody is judging you for that it's just how you said it.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I'm just saying the way you worded your original comment makes you sound like an asshole
Being assertive about my preferences makes me an asshole? What?
I totally agree with you. I don't want to marry a woman with small breast either. People say I'm shallow and I say I don't care.
Don't let people change you!
I hope you find a busty woman who treats you right. When you find a beautiful busty woman, don't forget to pay attention to her personality and her other traits too. Good luck and happy hunting!
[–]pandasashi -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Are you a childish, argumentative twat that needs to have the last word in all facets of your life or just on the internet?
[–]WordsNotToLiveBy 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dude, why are you arguing with him? He likes what he likes. You're not going to change his feelings on that, the same way we can't make someone like another person no matter how hard we try.
[–]feministsonredditare 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yet women constantly makes nasty comments about mens bodies, especially their genitals. As seen with one of the comments below.
[–]cs_go_away 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I know how you feel, I've been told by others that apparently my standards are too high by simply saying "I don't want to date a girl who drinks, smokes, or has any tatts."
I don't want to date a girl who drinks, smokes, or has any tatts.
Exactly. I don't want to marry a woman who drinks, smokes, or tattoos either. Why should we lower our standards for a woman who made poor life choices?
[–]ShilohJ -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Funny thing is with people who are so shallow and superficial that the women who do check the right boxes for them will see right past you, and while you chase the dream you'll likely remain lonely. It's not about having low standards, it's about overlooking all other merits because of a single physical one.
[–]bkrugby78 11 points12 points13 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
You do you. It's just, being an older guy, I too had preferences that were outside the norm, and looking back I wonder if maybe I was too idealistic. But I am a big believer that people should do what they want, so good luck!
[–]iRepth 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Totally agree. There have been so many things in the past where I've thought "hey no need to feel bad or question why I feel this way, it's just a preference!" And in hindsight I realize so many of those things were naive, and hindered me from having wonderful experiences. I still have preferences of course. I still think slim, tall girls with tattoos and a good sense of style are the holy grail. But I'm also willing to give just about anyone my honest consideration, and I have been routinely positively surprised.
[–]jdbsays 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
As i got older I got more selective and it paid off.
[–]mgtowolf 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Same here man, same here.
[–]ImRichBCH 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm with you, I look back on my younger self thinking I had "preferences" was so silly, like that I could even had imagined all the types of people I've met.
In my early 20's I certainly had physical "types" of women I thought I was not attracted to, that has long since gone out the window, now I'm looking for what I do like about anyone, not what is a potential "turn off".
Sometimes, looking for what you do like is harder!
[–]you-create-energy 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
As an older guy, I'm saying keep in mind that bodies change over time. Being picky with body types is more realistic for short-term dating. Life takes a toll. We grow and change and shrink and droop. Brace yourself, it's going to be a bumpy ride.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
keep in mind that bodies change over time. Being picky with body types is more realistic for short-term dating. Life takes a toll.
It sounds like you are eluding to an excuse a lot of women use when they neglect their body. It's amazing how many women's bodies change for the worse due to neglect and then blame age. There is a lot you can do to mitigate negative change through diet and exercise.
[–]jonnytechno 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think what he's trying to say is big boobs get saggy when the woman ages.... Unless you're not interested in a relationship with these women
[–]you-create-energy 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Healthy diet and exercise are incredibly helpful on many levels, mental and physical. I was actually alluding to birth, but age catches up to us all. However that won't bother you as much as you think it will, because it's incremental. Tiny changes each day for decades. When you see your body changing despite your best efforts, you're more forgiving of other people's imperfections.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with being attracted to large breasts. Everyone has their type. Some men prefer small breasts, blonde, brunette, tall, short, etc. just like women do. You also discover new kinks along the way that you never expected to like. I think it comes across as rude when you feel the need to rub people's face in it, as though you are saying other body types are inferior. You know what you like, so just choose what you like. No need to make a big thing of it.
[–]RagingAlien -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
There is a lot you can do to mitigate negative change through diet and exercise.
If you have the time to dedicate yourself to that and you want to maintain your body over doing anything else with your life. And even then it will still age and change because the best you can do is limit the impact.
If you have the time to dedicate
Correction. If you are willing to make the time. If something is important to you, you will make the time to do it.
maintain your body over doing anything else with your life.
You don't have to ignore everything else in your life to maintain a healthy and sexy body. It's easier to make excuses than make time to take care of yourself.
[–]RagingAlien 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Where do you live/what do you do that you don't have to spend 40h a week working to survive? That's not even considering commuting times. Are you expected to give up all social life to maintain your body in shape?
When your body is aging you need increasing amounts of effort to keep it at the "same level". When you're in your twenties, it doesn't require nearly as much (I'd know, I'm 22). Between work, sociual life, time to relax (which is a necessary part of mainting yourself "young"), you simply don't have enough time to keep yourself in shape, so you have to sacrifice something.
[–]Jahsay 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
You can literally stay skinny by doing nothing. Just don't eat as much.
[–]RagingAlien 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
That won't keep you fit and young-looking though. It'll just keep you thin. Your muscles will still atrophy, your skin will form wrinkles, your hair will go gray, your bones will start aching, etc.
[–]Jahsay 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Bones aching, skin wrinkling, and hair graying from not working out/exercising? Literally never heard about it working like that. Maybe minimal effects but not aware of it being a major thing. And muscles don't really atrophy with normal day to day movement unless you were super jacked (and most men don't care much about a woman having muscle).
[–]RagingAlien 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Bones aching, skin wrinkling, and hair graying from not working out/exercising?
It's not that not exercising causes it, it's that it's gonna happen eventually due to aging, but exercise, proper nutrition, avoiding stress and so on will slow down the effects of age on your body.
[–]Jahsay 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I mean yeah but I wouldn't consider expected aging as the same sort of thing. And is exercise/proper nutrition really going to significantly slow that down? Also who knows what kind of anti-aging medicine we'll see in the future.
[–]RagingAlien 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I mean yeah but I wouldn't consider expected aging as the same sort of thing.
Well, that was kinda the point of this thread.
And is exercise/proper nutrition really going to significantly slow that down?
I don't have any sources on me, but AFAIK it's widely understood through most of medicine that it does slow down the effects aging has on your body.
[–]jdbsays -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Fuck you are savage. I love it. Preach brother, louder for the long armpit overweight feminists in the back
Fuck you are savage. I love it.
I just have a low tolerance for bullshit and excuses.
[–]Jahsay 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Pushback from men? Literally every guy (except one dude who was kinda weird) agreed that physical attraction is extremely important. If it's not there shit ain't happening.
Although I've never heard anyone say boobs are that important pushback on that would probably happen.
[–]Private_Meh 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Find a good one regardless of breast size and make sure she is cool with getting an upgrade.
It's a win win win.
[–]MissNietzsche 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Haha, as someone who is getting a breast reduction done in June, I wish there were more guys like you. I always felt like shit before being all boobs and no ass.
as someone who is getting a breast reduction done in June
I hope you change your mind. Why a woman will pay a doctor a lot of money to mutilate a pair of healthy big breasts is baffling to me.
I wish there were more guys like you.
Maybe there are more guys out there like me than you realize, but most of us have been coerced into keeping our big breast preference to ourselves.
I always felt like shit before being all boobs and no ass.
So work on getting a better ass instead of ruining a great pair of breasts? Just an idea. It's your body. You do you.
[–]Farseer_Uthiliesh 9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (51 children) | Copy Link
I refuse to marry a woman with small breasts. That’s a deal breaker for me.
That's a pretty massive deal-breaker. So if she were perfect in every other way, you would not marry (or engage in a long-term relationship) simply because she has a physical attribute that's not good enough for you? Your view is tantamount to a female saying: "As a straight female who prefers men with large cocks, I can relate to this. I refuse to marry a man with a small penis. That’s a deal breaker for me."
[–]tdabc123 18 points19 points20 points 5 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
There is nothing wrong with the OP, or the woman in your example. It is their life, the can marry or not marry any they want for whatever reason they like.
Judging someone for what they believe is your right. Calling them out and basically telling them they are wrong is how we got to where we are today.
[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It is their life, the can marry or not marry any they want for whatever reason they like.
Thank you. I want to add that I recognize this goes both ways. Woman also have the right to date/marry or not date/marry whoever they want. I realize attraction has to go both ways. It's not just about what I want.
[–]Farseer_Uthiliesh -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
I didn't say that were wrong, I just openly criticised their view. So yes, I am judging them. But hey I bet you defend those women who do the same thing to men?
[–]tdabc123 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
But hey I bet you defend those women who do the same thing to men?
I honestly dont know what you are referring to here. I'm all about men's rights in this 3rd wave where the worst thing you can be in this world is a white cis male.
I dont know what this has anything to do with that. Some men like big boobs, some men like small boobs. Some men like brunettes, some like redheads. Some like women, some like men. It's all good.
[–]RagingAlien 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I honestly dont know what you are referring to here.
I think he's referring to women who want tall, athletic, rich guys, for example. He's saying that you then shouldn't criticse them either.
[–]Farseer_Uthiliesh 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You got it.
[–]tdabc123 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I generally don't? I criticize women who marry guys they are not attracted to because they need provider, and then stop sleeping with them once they get what they want.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's all good.
I thought it was until people started accusing me of being an ass and shallow in r/mensrights of all places. Apparently I crossed a line for being open and honest about preferring busty women.
[–]Farseer_Uthiliesh 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Some men like big boobs, some men like small boobs. Some men like brunettes, some like redheads. Some like women, some like men. It's all good.
Only the more rational or realistic of us don't have them as such important factors that we would refuse to be with someone who didn't meet a ridiculous criteria. It's okay to prefer these things, but to argue that, all things being ideal, that preference not being met is a "deal-breaker", is certainly odd.
[–]quietmayhem 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
Ok look I’m with u/PrismMage on this. You do realize that things are sexualized well before we hit puberty? That’s here preferences generally come from. Just like gays- I don’t think anyone is born anything. I have read a few well conducted studies that suggest that turn ons are often just deep feelings of satisfaction (positive feedback) tied to specific traits or reactions, and that turnoffs spawn from the opposite. (Cross dressing/fetishes/sexuality/hair color/eye color/race etc.)
I don’t see this as anything anyone can control. You like what you like and don’t what you don’t.
It doesn’t make you less or more ”shallow”.
I will concede that the big breasts hair color type stuff is likely caused from a real imbalance somewhere in upbringing, but since i assume u/prismmage did not raise himself, that it isn’t his fault.
Edit 1: changed username from subreddit to user sub
Edit 2: Citation
[11] Pfaus, J. G., Kippin, T. E., Coria-Avila, G. A., Gelez, H., Afonso, V. M., Ismail, N., & Parada, M. (2012). "Who, what, where, when (and maybe even why)? How the experience of sexual reward connects sexual desire, preference, and performance". Archives of Sexual Behavior. 41 (1): 31–62. doi:10.1007/s10508-012-9935-5. PMID 22402996.CS1
[–]feministsonredditare 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I wish there was studies into how women talk of mens bodies relate to how sexist they are, in my experience they are very intertwined. Of course impossible in a feminist world.
[–]quietmayhem 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don’t think it is. We just have to do it.
[–]Farseer_Uthiliesh 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Thank you for the citation; I actually respect people who do this. However, we're going to have to agree to disagree; PrismMage is shallow.
[–]quietmayhem 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Haha I’m cool with disagreeing..and thanks for the kind words
[–]Farseer_Uthiliesh 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not an issue, my friend. I wasn't expecting this reply, so thank you!
[–]tdabc123 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, because caring this much about some other man's criteria for a wife is not odd at all.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I just openly criticised their view
You didn't criticize a view. You criticizes one of my preferences in women.
So yes, I am judging them
Why? How does my preference for busty women adversely affect you?
[–]Farseer_Uthiliesh -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It doesn't affect me, I just don't like people being assholes.
I'm not being an asshole.
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 5 years ago* (26 children) | Copy Link
That's a pretty massive deal-breaker
According to you.
simply because she has a physical attribute that's not good enough for you?
Translation: Since I don't think breast size is a big deal, how can it possibly be a big deal to you?
Your view is tantamount to a female saying: "As a straight female who prefers men with large cocks, I can relate to this.
Not really. Women have the benefit of being able to increase their breast size thanks to cosmetic surgery. Men are pretty much stuck with what we have, so comparing breast size with penis size is comparing apples and oranges.
[–]Farseer_Uthiliesh 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
> According to you.
Well done!
> Translation. Since I don't think breast size is a big deal, how can it possibly be a big deal to you?
No, translation: I'm superficial, because all things being great having small breasts is the most important thing ever.
> Not really. Women have the benefit of being able to increase their breast size thanks to cosmetic surgery. Men are pretty much stuck with what we have, so comparing breast size with penis size is comparing apples and oranges.
So a female should increase her breast size because of surface-level men like you. This is why we have feminism, my friend. It's not comparing apples to oranges, it's comparing two physical attributes that have nothing to with the person's value as a partner. We routinely mock women for having double-standards about beauty (clothes, height, income, attractiveness, etc.), but you think it's okay to base an entirety of someone's worth on attributes they can't control.
What if your partner had to have a mastectomy because of cancer? Would you get a divorce?
Look, I apologise for my tone and for coming across as attacking your tastes, but you really come across as superficial.
[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 5 years ago* (14 children) | Copy Link
So a female should increase her breast size because of surface-level men like you.
That's not what I typed. Pretending that someone your disagree with made a statement they didn't is what's called a straw man argument, and it's an immature way to conduct yourself. I stated that the woman has the benefit of being able to increase their breast size.
You think it's okay to base an entirety of someone's worth on attributes they can't control.
I do not think it's okay to base an entirety of someone's worth on attributes they can control. By the way, we just established that breast size IS something they can control.
That would be a terrible life altering event that is covered under "in sickness and in health."
but you really come across as superficial.
Why? Because I am honest about the fact that breast size is important to me? I fully expected this irrational and spiteful attack from the women who participate in r/TwoXChromosomes. I'm really disappointed with the pushback I'm getting from men's right.
[–]Farseer_Uthiliesh 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I fully expected this irrational and spiteful attack from the women who participate in r/TwoXChromosomes . I'm really disappointed with the pushback I'm getting from men's right.
I fully expected this irrational and spiteful attack from the women who participate in r/TwoXChromosomes
. I'm really disappointed with the pushback I'm getting from men's right.
Oh toughen up snowflake. You made a hugely superficial statement. As someone pointed out excellently earlier, you would refuse to marry/long term relationship with someone who hypothetically ticked every box bar breast size. If you can't see that as being massively superficial then you're overreacting because you've been debated into a corner, trolling, or fervently believe that. I simply to refuse to believe you actually live like that.
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Oh toughen up snowflake.
Again with the insults.
You made a hugely superficial statement.
No I didn't. I stated a dealbreaker. You not understanding my dealbreaker does not make it superficial.
If you can't see that as being massively superficial then you're overreacting
So if you can't force me to agree with you with insults then I am overreacting. Whatever.
I simply to refuse to believe you actually live like that.
I don't give a damn what you believe, and I'm done debating you.
I don't give a damn what you believe.
Likewise, as well as all the real men and great women who now look down on you.
and I'm done debating you.
Nothing could please me more, sir. Honestly, you 'dug your own hole' a long time ago.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's quite incredible how he doesn't see that the other people here don't see a problem with his preference but because he is also shallow as hell.
[–]amcvega 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So when would you bring up the idea of cosmetic surgery? 2 dates in? 6 months in? Also sure, women can “control” their breast size with surgery. Like real surgery. Would you require your partner to have the surgery before you have sex with her? I mean how would feel if you started dating a woman and she required you to get a nose job before she would marry you, how would that make you feel?
[+]jdbsays -9 points-8 points-7 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Dont worry guy, there is still a handful of non-cucks on here
[–]Farseer_Uthiliesh 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
non-cucks
We have a genius debater here.
[–]jdbsays -5 points-4 points-3 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Oops *cowards sorry fixed it lol typo
[–]Farseer_Uthiliesh 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
You're really not helping giving the impression you're neither a 12-year-old or from the_donald.
[–]jdbsays -4 points-3 points-2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Ahhh yes the cuck warcry "u dumb, orange man bad, u like orange man, u bad too"
[–]jasonfunk-3 points 5 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
saying cuck in 2016+3
shut up numale
Lol
[–]feministsonredditare -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What's your fucking problem are you a feminist or something? Why do you manhaters brigade every single fucking forum for men? Females CONSTANTLY make repulsive and objecitfying comments on mens bodies ESPECIALLY their genitals, and not just offline but online too their forums are filled with it. Why don't you fucking go and complain about that?
I'm not a feminist, and certainly not a manhater - check my post history. I have also criticised women for their insensitive comments regarding men's bodies. I get that you're upset, but please try to not make gross generalisations based on a few posts.
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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
It's a valid comparison.
Not it's not. I already explained why and I'm not typing it again.
[–]MenBearsPigs5 points 5 years ago* [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link
Your reasoning is asinine.
Height then.
You're the same as a woman who wouldn't ever date anyone under 6 foot.
That's within their rights, but they're also objectively shallow people.
[–]RagingAlien 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Height also doesn't "fit his argument" because it also can't be changed, even artifically - go for muscle mass or bank account size instead, that's closer to what he's talking about.
[–]MenBearsPigs7 points 5 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
His argument is fucking stupid.
Breast surgery isn't something that the majority of women would ever consider doing.
And there are surgeries you can get to increase penis and height.
It's a weak cop out argument.
It's the exact same kind of shallowness. Just because breast surgery exists doesn't discredit that fact.
What kind of logic is that?
Shut the fuck up. And stop using the female tactic of equating secondary sexual characterestics with primary, they're not the same thing.
Also dont spread lies about very, very dangerous surgery, especially not on a mens forum.
[–]jdbsays 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If women say that, which they do, thats fine. If shes perfect in every way "but", then shes not perfect.
[–]feministsonredditare 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
And women say shit like this all the time. Literally have to hear endless such comments from being in the vicinity of females. Why are you all jumping on this guy on a fucking mens forum?
Yes, women do. And I also loathe it.
[–]killcat 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Yet somehow it's perfectly fine for a woman to discount short or poor guys.
[–]RagingAlien -3 points-2 points-1 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Is it? Most people would consider a girl like that also pretty shallow, especially if they treat their "preferences" like this guys is doing.
[–]jdbsays 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
When was the last time you dated? 2019, perfectly acceptable for women to apply physical preferences but totally unacceptable for men.
[–]RagingAlien -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
perfectly acceptable for women to apply physical preferences but totally unacceptable for men.
I don't know where you live or who you talk to, but most people I've met would think that completely disregarding someone as a potential romantic interest solely because of physical characteristics is pretty shallow.
[–]jdbsays 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Then i believe you arent basing it in reality but a perceived version of what currently occurs in dating in 2019. How recently have you dated, because it is widely acceptable for women to apply height of men as a parameter but totally unacceptable for men to apply breast size. That is the easiest example but the same applies for baldness, paycheck, property ownership, hair colour, race... all examples both physical and non-physical that women are allowed to apply. According to neofems this is due to women being forced to live in a patriarchal society and are coming from positions devoid of power.. when we all know that is proverbial garbage dip and its because women have since entering the workforce, held the buying power when it comes to mate selection and have in the last 5-10 years shot themselves in the foot and begun handing that power back to men.
[–]killcat 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
How often do you hear a woman chewed out for choosing to date only tall men? If a guy says he doen't want to date a morbidly obese woman he's "fat shaming" but a woman is just "having a preference".
[–]Farseer_Uthiliesh -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Who says it's perfectly fine here?
[–]killcat 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
How often do you hear a woman chewed out for choosing to date only tall men?
Not enough, I am afraid.
Not gonna lie that is straight up bullshit. There’s having preferences then there’s just being an ass
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
The only thing that is bullshit about this situation is the fact that people stop reading after I state small breasts are a deal breaker for me. I didn't say breast size is the only thing that matters to me. I am not an ass for not being attracted to small breasted women.
I dunno small breasts being a total deal breaker is pretty shallow
[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
would small breasts stop you from wanting to be with her?
No it's not. How would you like it if someone said you are shallow for one of your dealbreakers? We all have dealbreakers whether we want to admit them or not.
Yeah but not having big tits is a pretty piss poor dealbreaker
[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
No it's not, and I don't appreciate you insulting me because I have a preference you don't understand. How about we try to keep it civil and not resort to insults.
[–]xxshidoshi 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I think there’s other dealbreakers worse then breast size.
Etc being a MAP would be a total fucking deal breaker.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Etc being a MAP
If you are using MAP as an acronym, I don't know what it means.
[–]xxshidoshi 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Minor attracted person (a pedofile)
[–]RagingAlien -5 points-4 points-3 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
At no point has he insulted you, only stated that he regards your opinions as worthless in this argument.
How would you like it if someone said you are shallow for one of your dealbreakers?
I'd consider why I think that's a dealbreaker again - For example, I think "treating people like they're tools" to be a big dealbreaker. Why? Because I see no reason why this person wouldn't do the same to me and I'm not comfortable with being treated that way.
If you want an example of a "shallower" dealbreaker for me, that'd be if the woman in question was overly obese - Because outside of specific diseases I regard extreme obesity with disregard for your own body (due to increased chances of heart attacks, for example) and I think that if someone can't even take care of themselves why would they be able to take care of, for example, money, or children, or however many other things?
Of course there's a chance that people who have these "dealbreaker" characteristics would not have the issues I'd expect them to have, and if after interacting with them enough I reach that conclusion, I can make an exception because the "dealbreaker" is not the characteristic, but the expected consequences of them. How does that work for your "small breasts" dealbreaker?
Why is it mens fault that women have tiny tits? Women have literally selected men until they have giant genitals and they still constantly go on and on about it, but a man isn't allowed to not want to be with small tits?
Doesn’t matter how shitty other people are just be a good human being
[–]hashtagwindbag 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I didn't say breast size is the only thing that matters to me.
It is by your own admission a single attribute which can entirely disqualify someone as a potential mate.
So although it's not fair to say that it's the only attribute you consider in a mate, it is fair to say that you are willing to rule someone out based solely on that one attribute. That's exactly what a dealbreaker is.
Frankly I don't really care what you do. And I don't know why others in this thread care so much what you do. But I also don't understand why you care so much that others here disagree with you.
It's the internet. Take a walk.
why you care so much that others here disagree with you.
If other people replied with something like, "I don't share that attraction but good luck to you." or something like that then I wouldn't care. People who accuse of being an asshole or shallow are not simply disagreeing with me. They are being rude. Do you really expect someone to be insulted and just take it?
[–]hashtagwindbag -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Do you really expect someone to be insulted and just take it?
Yeah, dude. It's the internet.
The fact that the conversation is happening on the Internet does not mean I am obligated to remain silent when someone types a rude message directed at me.
[–]dj_crosser 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's what i've been trying to say this whole time
I read the whole thread. You get it. I'm you but i put a caveat that the breasts must have been small but have been or are willing to be in the near future medically enhanced.
If your future wife got breast cancer and had to get a reduction would you leave her
[–]TherpDerp -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
dude if tits are the one thing you care about maybe you shouldn’t get married
It's not the only thing I care about. Just like some people have selective hearing, you must have selective reading.
[–]TherpDerp -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
im a sleepy fuck rn so i wasnt paying full attention.
but still, tits? or all things?
Get some sleep. Reddit will be here when you wake up.
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Boy you might be retarded.
[–][deleted] 28 points29 points30 points 5 years ago* (49 children) | Copy Link
Me: I agree. I want a busty wife.
People in this sub: HOW DARE YOU! YOU'RE SHALLOW! YOU'RE AN ASS!
Me: How the hell can 3,000+ upvote this post while treating me like crap for agreeing with the straight guy?
[–]RagingAlien 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (47 children) | Copy Link
"My wife needs to be busty otherwise she's not gonna be my wife no matter what" is what you said.
You're not saying "Yeah, I think bustier women are prettier", you're saying "anything other than busty isn't worth my consideration".
[–][deleted] 5 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link
Y'all really going at this guy for his taste in women on a post exactly about this scenario?
Isn't it ironic?
[–]FeierInMeinHose 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Not for his taste in women, for his stringent requirements for his wife. There's a big difference.
Saying "I'd prefer a busty wife" is different from saying "My wife must be busty". If he's so hardline on something so shallow, then either he thinks he deserves his perfect woman and anything less is worthless to him, which is very conceited, or he's so shallow as to not even think about his partner as anything more than a body in which to sow his seed.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Saying "I'd prefer a busty wife" is different from saying "My wife must be busty"
Not from my perspective.
so hardline on something so shallow
It's not shallow.
he thinks he deserves his perfect woman
Wow. I never said anything about deserving.
he's so shallow as to not even think about his partner as anything more than a body in which to sow his seed.
You heard it here first, everyone. Anyone who has any preferences for a spouse only sees their spouse as an object.
[–]FeierInMeinHose 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Preference is different from requirement, but keep thinking it's not. You'll grow out of this, most likely.
[–]mgtowolf -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The only time a preference is different from a requirement, is when you are willing to settle for something less than you want.
[–]lethrowaway4me -5 points-4 points-3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Weak requirement = preference
strong preference = requirement
Your semantic argument is pointless and derisive. Your petty jab at the OP's supposed immaturity only weakens your own points.
[–]Platomuses 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You're the one arguing semantics. Saying "She must..." Is 100% different than saying you prefer. You're conflating them to mean the same thing.
Have you ever heard how women talk about men and mens bodies? Try spending 5 minutes near some females.
[–]RagingAlien -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Have you ever heard how men talk about women and female bodies? Try spending some time around most human beings and you'll see just about everyone does that.
[–]RagingAlien 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
Yes, because I think the post is utterly stupid. Everyone gets judged just as much as everyone else for their preferences, but "preferences" shouldn't be ultimatum statements like this guy is making.
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[–]RagingAlien 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I don't care much for this particular guy's ultimatums (because I'm certain they'll just result in him being unmarried for the rest of his life if he doesn't change) but he's not the only one reading this, and I'm hoping other people don't think ultimatums like that are accepted behaviours.
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[–]RagingAlien 9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I don't get to "define" it, I only get to state my opinion, but I think accepted behaviours are those that are more likely to result in people living comfortably with one another in human society.
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[–]RagingAlien 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You can't live comfortably because you KNOW there are people that have ultimatums for who they marry?
I didn't say that I could not, I'm saying that people would live more comfortably without ultimatums for their choice of spouse.
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[–]Farseer_Uthiliesh 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Agreed. I feel sorry for the woman who meets PrismMage.
[–]jdbsays -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
No. They dont. Thats the point.
[–]RagingAlien 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This is just going to devolve into a "yes they do, no they don't" discussion if neither of us puts out arguments or examples, and even then it's going to come down to anectodal evidence. The most I can say is that, through talking to a lot of people, most people are judged due to their preferences by a group of people that disagree with them.
[–]jdbsays -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Totally agree. I just think there are far less voices of disagreement on the female side of the equation
[–]feministsonredditare -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Hey please take your raging justicsm and go to the female forums, you'll have plenty of work there.
[–]RagingAlien 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What do you mean?
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
So are people are not allowed to have dealbreakers when looking for a spouse, or are they not allowed to have dealbreakers that you find shallow?
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[–]jdbsays 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
How is she perfect if you have to throw in a but
Did you not understand my meaning?
I thought I was pretty clear there.
If it was perfection there would be no "but" to add.
[–]MenBearsPigs4 points 5 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
Yes I read your comment.
Do you need me to go through the sentence and break it down for you to help you understand?
Yes please. Im desperate to understand. Please tell me more
[–]west_pac0 points 5 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link
It isn't sad at all, you're being super fucking judgmental and IMO you and the others attacking /u/PrismMage are borderline breaking the rules of this sub.
If you're only sexually attracted to big tits, that's absolutely fine, and it's totally shitty to tell someone that their taste in the opposite sex is shallow.
Nobody should be made to feel obligated to marry someone they don't feel sexually attracted to just because some white knighting virtue signaling asshole wanted to score SJW points on a website.
[–]MenBearsPigs 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
He never said preferred or attracted to.
He said he wouldn't consider being with someone who didn't have huge tits.
That's his choice, but it's incredibly shallow.
Stop being so fucking sensitive. It's not the end of the world to be a shallow person.
Well said, and thank you.
[–]HowTo_DnD -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Being sexually attracted to big tits and it being a requirement for a partner is shallow by definition.
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
It's shallow man.
No it's not. We are all attracted to different things and we all have our own dealbreakers. Just because you don't understand one of my dealbreakers doesn't mean it's shallow.
[–]MenBearsPigs2 points 5 years ago* [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link
It's shallow. You're a shallow person.
Man up, accept it, and move on.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I am not a shallow person. I am also fed up with you insulting me. Blocked.
Not only are you shallow you are also childish because you absolutely refuse to take any criticism.
[–]HowTo_DnD 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The adjective shallow can describe things that aren't very deep, like a shallowpuddle, or people who don't have much emotional or intellectual depth, like shallow people who judge others on their looks and how much money they have. https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/shallow
It's by definition shallow. Everyone is shallow to some extent but to try to argue that you aren't is laughable.
[–]RagingAlien 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
You're allowed to have dealbreakers, of course, and especially when looking for a spouse, but I don't think having them, especially not commonly met ones, is going to lead anyone to a happy life unless they get extremely lucky.
So your advice is to give up on dealbreakers if they are not common? That's terrible advice.
[–]RagingAlien 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
A dealbreaker shouldn't be because "this will make me less happy that I otherwise could be" but more of a "this will make me less happy than if I wasn't having to be around this person to begin with", and if too much of the population has dealbreakers, then you should probably take a good, long look at why you think the way you do unless you're ok with remaining single for most, if not all, of your life. (And some people are ok with that, and that's fine.)
This whole reply sounds like the ramblings of someone with a defeatist attitude. If you want to forsake dealbreakers because you think it's better to be with someone you are not happy with than be alone, go for it.
you think it's better to be with someone you are not happy with than be alone
I think you missed my point - a "dealbreaker" should be something or a group of things that makes it so you'd be less happy with the person than without.
The way you put it, a dealbreaker is "anything less than absolutely perfect".
[–]Daemonicus 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah it's pretty ironic.
I have a couple physical deal breakers as well. Physical attractiveness is pretty important. And the whole "beauty fades" crowd doesn't realize that it's only applicable when you're elderly, anyway. That's a solid 30-50 years when beauty doesn't fade.
[–]PixelPete85 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ugh hypothetical conversations are THE WORST
[–]you-create-energy 16 points17 points18 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I'd like to point out that this is an imaginary conversation between two-dimensional people and a totally anonymous Group. People don't generally think like this. You really think gay people don't get judged for being shallow? Save your outrage for things that actually happened, which are more nuanced than this satirical depiction.
[–]HydroConz 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yep, it's not even just posting a conversation by one crazy person, it's imagining being oppressed by a made up conversation.
it's imagining being oppressed by a made up conversation.
Well put! Oppression happens, but it's rarely as extreme as the ones we imagine. Posts like this pump up rage and resentment, so when someone commits a smaller offense we are more likely to overreact rather than educate.
[–]Taco_Farmer 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Also straight guys talk about there preferences all the time and dont get shot down. Seriously so many straight guys I know have stopped conversations to rate women on the street.
[–]you-create-energy 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good point! Mutual encouragement of analyzing women's physical attributes is WAY more common than getting shut down. I think women feel less judged when they hear a gay guy rating other men, for obvious reasons. It's also unreasonable to expect that you can tell a woman to her face that you don't like her body and get a positive, supportive reaction.
[–]IamshinyCatchme 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women: ''NEVER ASK A WOMAN'S WEIGHT!!! IT'S SEXIST AND YOU SHOULDN'T DISCRIMINATE WOMEN LIKE THAT!!!''
Also women: turns down a man because of their height
[–]mjt1105 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Be yourself. Like what you like. Who cares what others think.
[–]boringcarpets 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Once again screenshot shite gets thousands of upvotes compared to actual articles and topics. This sub is dumb
[–]monkeyburrito411 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That looks like a satirical tweet, I hope it is.
[–]silphred43 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If not satire, then /r/ImaginaryGatekeeping
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
I've gotten my butt slapped and crotch grabbed at many a concert. People saw. Nobody did anything.
idk why you're getting downvoted..... I've been in the same shoes probably half a dozen times now... no one cares :(
While there are mostly well meaning men who just want real equality in this subreddit, there are a lot of idiots as well.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Sorry about that. Maybe make your own thread to address that issue?
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I was adding to the double standard conversation. As in people would freak out were that done to a woman.
[–]almosteverybodypoops 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
You’re clearly not a girl. Think the last time my ass was grabbed, no one did anything, and I just went to another area.
Edit: whoops, just realized this is an old thread. Sorry
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I am indeed a man.
[–]almosteverybodypoops 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I am saying it happens a lot and no one does anything, even if you’re a girl
Or maybe my friends and I are just pussies who don’t do anything
Also why does this sub think this post is ok but shit on any girl who admits they like a guy taller than them? Weird. Preferences in general are a-okay to have, folks
If I say I don't like women who are heavy set, do you get mad?
[–]almosteverybodypoops 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Not one bit!
I don’t know anyone who would get all in a hizzy over someone saying that.
Now If you made a shirt saying that, or a girl screaming from the rooftops she won’t consider dating anyone under 5’8, yea, I could see that being annoying.
Then you're not the people this sub is talking about.
[–]BittyMitty 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The people pleaser doormat syndrome is strong. Why would you care what others think about your choices?
You live with your choices, not them.
[–]CAMYtheCOCONUT 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
All nonsense aside, Mark Normand is one of my favorite standup acts I've discovered recently you should all check him out
[–]Damjo 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Fuck 'em. I'll enjoy those women whether they like it or not.
LOL. Careful! That kind of talk is how you end up in r/niceguy.
OP: *completely invents interactions based on well-trod stereotypes that don't really reflect reality and only confirm OP's previously-held biases*
People Who Also Hold Those Same Biases: Good for you! Get it, boy!
[–]jcchef 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Mark Normand is pretty awesome. Despite working closely with Amy Schumer.
[–]miked003 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Butts*
[–]GraveDiggerTed 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Counter-point: who the fuck actually cares what other people's sexual preferences are. As long as that shit isn't illegal, why is it anyone else's business?..
[–]pidgeon_pete 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm bi and literally get different advice depending on if I'm attracted to someone of the same sex or the opposite. So confusing
[–]kdoll22 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I wouldn’t judge a guy over that.
[–]TherpDerp 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I, personally, dont care for look too much. I know it sounds bad but i’d rather not date someone with like Down Syndrome because i’ve heard they’re a lot to handle.
I can’t even take care of myself too well, dont wanna do that to someone else that’ll be harder to deal with.
[–]BandFreakSnatch 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I feel all groups get critised for this, just you see it more in straight men because theres more of them? And its more publicised? Generally its wrong, its ok to have a preference as long as youre not putting people down for not having a certain body type.
[–]dickpaste 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
but really check out Mark Normand. he's a great comedian
[–]bcbrown19 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Like what you gonna like. No one should care.
don't judge me if I like Asian midgets with big tits. That's my decision!
[–]Albeort 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Can we add "Kratos is a power fantasy. You want to be him, not fuck him"? I mean, sure, his body is not the main focus (Lara's boobs or ass weren't either), but it's there. It's just that muscles can be attractive AND show power. With that said, I don't remember any time I focused on anything sexual while playing. I can notice it, but it's just not what I'm there for.
This is a meme
If men = pigs, and men are equal to women, women become pigs too, lol. Radical feminists don’t make any sense whatsoever ngl
[–]Ericfyre 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Uneducated people should know that men are not “pigs” for liking large breasts because it’s a sign of fertility.
[–]outtiesftw 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
For real theres so many guys locked up rn just for saying they like skinny girls and titties our tax dollars keeping them incarcerated when they would rather be working and all these hippocrit woman who say they like this kind of man or that and they don’t. the judge always says nah there fine wtf
[–]henrymerrilees 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This post clearly does not understand the historical power dynamics at play.
[–]DC052905 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lmao ‘thin women with large breasts’ sounds so scientific... srsly tho it’s hard to find words to talk about your type without sounding like a jackass.
[–]oohbeartrap 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The identified, so-called “toxic” behaviors are just smokescreens for racism and sexism.
These groups do not like straight, white men. Plain and simple.
[–]mprokopa 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Me: i dont like black guys
The world: how dare you racist nazi you have an obligation to be attracted to minorities because slavery/history/flint water/etc
[–]terrible-punmaster69 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I cant stand people who’s logic it is:
Straight White Male = Literal S8N
Just because my ancestors had an easier life based on heritage a long time ago does not render my arguments invalid. We need to remember and celebrate the hardships other people, cultures, genders, groups of people went through so we can make sure it never happens but we need to learn we are not the people that the world was covered by 200 years ago. We can LEARN from our ancestors and live happily instead of having this kind of stuff dividing everyone.
I don’t mind people saying they like people who look a certain way as long as they don’t judge or make fun of people who look different and will be harsher towards them. If your gay you should get the same rights as a straight white male and vice versa
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Yea but there’s a lot more porn geared towards us straight guys. So I’m not trippin.
I feel for you, my straight brothers. It goes along with this other sentiment I find it so hard to get across to my lgbt friends (and have been guilty of myself):
Two girls kiss, no one assumes they’re secretly lesbians.
I kiss a female friend, no one assumes I’m secretly straight.
Straight dude kisses a dude even once, perhaps because he was curious, maybe just as a joke, realizes it does nothing for him - Everybody: He’S gAy AnD iN dEnIaL!!!!
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I'm laughing, but you nailed it...and with a 28 Lb. Framing hammer.
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These are imaginary scenarios you're getting all worked up about ya know?
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