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The Guardian blames men for Ghislane Maxwell's sex trafficking and tries to excuse her actions

January 1, 2022
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Title The Guardian blames men for Ghislane Maxwell's sex trafficking and tries to excuse her actions
Author TheSpaceDuck
Upvotes 986
Comments 111
Date January 1, 2022 6:44 PM UTC (10 months ago)
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[–]BrokeMacMountain 48 points49 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

And this is why I stopped buying the guarding after more than 15 years. And also why I blocked every guardian based site in all my firewalls. It was quite a well written, fairly balanced, if left leaning, paper. But then feminism took hold, and it became a misandrist, man hating, bigoted rag.

[–]imba8 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Being one of the main catalyst to the cold war wasn't enough?

[–]Acrobatic_Sport_7664 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I read it for 40! The Guardian, where facts are disposable and comments not free. Not fit to wrap chips in.

[–]TheSpaceDuck[S] 270 points271 points  (40 children) | Copy Link

We may never know whether Maxwell got her own kicks from this twisted game or whether she was simply too damaged to resist it, conditioned perhaps as friends have suggested by a childhood in the shadow of her bullying father, the late tycoon Robert Maxwell.

This part is particularly disgusting as the writer goes out of her way to justify her behaviour and portray her "just damaged" rather than the abhorrent human being she is.

If we use feminist logic for men then I guess most male sex offenders are "not really guilty, just too damaged" since they were abused by women themselves when they were younger. In fact, if we use feminist logic then women are to blame for the Anders Breivik attack since he was abused by his mother from a young age. Not an abhorrent child-killer, just a damaged man abused by a woman. /s

I'm not surprised since it's nothing new for feminists to openly excuse and defend female abusers: it happens whenever a high-profile case like this is revealed (Asia Argento, Amber Heard, etc.) but also lower-profile cases many of us have forgotten about like Avital Ronnell or Donna Hylton. Even murder is not off-limits for the "she's innocent, men are at fault" argument.

This is one of the reasons why I have a lot of trouble taking the feminist movement seriously. For a movement that repeatedly claims to be "against violence", "against rape", "against sex traffic", etc. they sure repeat the pattern of defending women who commit these crimes a lot.

[–]mcmur 126 points127 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Such a tired old, sexist trope.

Woman does something bad --> blame men.

[–]CzechoslovakianJesus 32 points33 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

There's a strong sense of irony when the same people who bellow from the rooftops about empowering women still insist on treating them like toddlers.

[–]TheSpaceDuck[S] 19 points20 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This comes to mind.

[–]ace_wulf 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

All the male criminals would suddenly come out as trans if that happens

[–]BrokeMacMountain 53 points54 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

"feminist logic"

now there is an oxymoron!

[–]MisterNavit 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

or whether she was simply too damaged to resist it,

Who hurt her? ... Oh wait, that's only shameful for men.

[–]hifi3xx 20 points21 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I also love how she also manages to connect Donald Trump into the matter before even stating what Maxwell was convicted of. Trump had nothing to do with what Epstein and Maxwell did.

[–]regularcomments 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, does bill clinton also meet epstein and Maxwell ? no matter if someone is conservative or liberal both sides have epstein in their dirty file.

[–]hifi3xx 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The difference between Trump and Clinton is Trump cut ties with Epstein and never went to his island. Clinton didn't cut ties, and went to Epstein's island.

[–]dana5757 -2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You are insane? Trump attended his parties even after his first trial.

[–]hifi3xx 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Are you insane? Trump going to a party is not that same thing as being involved in a sex trafficking ring. Trump never went to Epstein's island where everything took place. The Clinton's went to that island though, and Bill was probably Epstein's biggest buyer.

[–]Zeuszoos 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I think you may have read it too quick. I don't like the feminist site "The Guardian" at all! But in this instance, I didn't get what hou said about it from it at all.

What I got out of it was (paraphrased), "It could have been her abusive father, or she was just evil. In the end, it doesn't matter. She did the evil." In fact they even gave a kind of "she knew what she was doing" attitude, as well as painting her as the typical rich person who pays others to make problems go away.

The part about the men read to me as (again, paraphrased); "It's not right that none of the rich and powerful men aren't also paying for having sex with underage girls! Let's get them too!"

A sentiment I wholeheartedly agree with.

If you saw something that I missed, then by all means, please correct me. But that's what I personally got out of it.

[–]andejoh 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think the key is "too damaged to resist". It suggests she could have no culpability. If she could have resisted and didn't than I would agree with you, but the article goes beyond that. It suggests that she might not have been able to resist. The article is suggesting a form of temporary insanity.

[–]Zeuszoos 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I definitely understand what you're saying. I do. But that just falls into what I said.

I.e., that label is part of a statement about it being one of two possibilities;

"We may never know whether Maxwell got her own kicks from this twisted game, OR whether she was simply too damaged to resist it..."

I do agree with you though, if I'm misunderstanding your point and what you're saying is that even if it was the latter, that statement would be crap, because it would mean that she had no agency, which is what women always play into.

The feminist M.O. is to claim they're "strong and independent and don't need men", then when caught doing something wrong, they damsel to men by spinning it to play victim.

[–]sleepyJoeBidet 32 points33 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's the patriarchy !

[–]hendrixski 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

/s

[–]CryingMadGirl 18 points19 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Hitler was also damaged and abused. He also had bad childhood. Imagine if Hitler was a woman

[–]Acrobatic_Sport_7664 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most serial killers had 'difficult' if not abusive relationships with their mothers.

[–]GrinningPizza 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Isn’t that kinda what people are hinting at?

“Men must be reduced to roughly 10% of the population.”

“Kill all men!”

“The future is female!”

“Girls run the world.”

“White men are the plague!”

“Males must be exterminated!”

[–]CryingMadGirl 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Bruh true

[–]GrinningPizza 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol we r friends on discord im the train dude

[–]PeaceMaker_6969 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Fr tho, he had a fucked up childhood.

[–]CryingMadGirl 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Almost every dictator has. Like stalin and probably Kim jong-un in some ways. That’s how people become horrible

[–]PeaceMaker_6969 6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

That's why we need better parents. I too had a similar childhood, guess what I'm gonna do... I'm gonna be a better parent.

[–]CryingMadGirl 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

My mom had a bad childhood and she made my childhood bad, I’m afraid that I will be the same as a mom, but tbh, I’m sure I would be a great mom. At least I know what not to do lol

[–]GrinningPizza 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I assure you- if your on this sub and you know what’s bad for a child, you are destined to be a great mother! I wish I had a good one. Sometimes it’s good knowing your own parents were bad, so you don’t repeat they’re mistakes!

[–]rahsoft 16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

hands up who predicted this

I certainly did and I wrote in a reddit thread recently..which seems to have mysteriously disappeared !

[–]thelordflashheart99 14 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The guardian is such a fucking rag

[–]maxlvb 38 points39 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just another example of...

Feminist selective agency. Women are free to do as they wish right up to the point where they suffer negative consequences for their actions, then it's everyone else's fault.


I am all for equality. I'm for the equality in which women stand equally with men, in the eyes of the law, and in court (for alimony, custody, visitation, etc.), as well as arrest and prosecution for using physical, psychological, and emotional means to cause harm.

[–]CrownlessRegent 27 points28 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The rotten gutter looks cleaner in comparison to the morals and standard of the mainstream media. They just have to try and bend every truth to suit their narratives. They are now a propaganda outlet instead of news outlets. Xi and Kim Jong Un are surely getting tutored by them on how to manipulate the news.

[–]Ihaveaparrot 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Man I hate to break it to you but opinion pieces are like by definition the worst takes. I'm no fan of large media, yet it seems like your take hinges on this false narrative that opinion pieces represent the media outlet's view.

[–]thisisallanqallan 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

rolls eyes

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

These same morons never seem to consider that how many misguided men were also abused or groomed into their unhealthy behavior.

[–]dingoperson2 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The men are always treated as free actors, wild, intelligent, forces of creation and free will.

The woman acted because a man forced to her, induced or pressured her, the victim.

The man acted because he had the choice to act.

[–]danielm316 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It is sad to read things like this. Men are so conditioned to protect and provide that will do any type of mental gymnastics in order to protect women, even from the consecuences of their own actions.

This woman is a billionare, and yet she is a victim.

Will we ever be free of provide and protect?

[–]dingoperson2 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

there is frighteningly little separating Maxwell from that tiny but grotesque pantheon of female offenders seemingly so desperate to be loved that they collude in their partners’ abusive fantasies,

I'll donate $100 a feminist cause if any feminist can point to an article in The Guardian in the last 10 years that portrays men as raping children because they are "desperate to be loved", using those precise words.

[–]WeEatBabies 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women : "We want agency!!!"

Men : "Here you go!"

Women at the Guardian : "No, not like that!"

[–]hairynostrils 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

More from the article:

From an early age, we drum into children the idea that if they’re lost or scared they should seek help from a police officer first and, failing that, a woman.

Who is this "we" that tells children to find a police officer or a woman - but stay away from men? Guess she is getting her kids started early in fearing men - and the idea that we all do that is some serious gaslighting propaganda.

The girls Maxwell lured into her boyfriend’s clutches were reassured by an older woman’s presence and it’s the betrayal of that female trust that feels so monstrous

Apparently we are appalled at Maxwell because she betrayed the trust we all apparently have of women as angels who are all caring, wise, and good - as though the real crime Maxwell committed was against all women and how society views their endless virtues. Because the idea that women can rape and molest is just unimaginable and the fact that a women did that is the real horror according to the guardian.

of female offenders seemingly so desperate to be loved that they collude in their partners’ abusive fantasies, even to the point of helping persuade someone else’s daughter into a car.

Right- she was abused by her father so now she is desperate for love making her vulnerable to the fantasies of abusive men. I wonder if Maxwell has any agency in any of this at all considering all the abusive men around her.

Or could it be that a predilection for teenage girls simply didn’t seem all that shocking, inside a rich man’s world where trading in an ageing first wife for someone barely older than your daughter is no big deal?

The author seems pretty angry at rich men and how they trade up their wives with younger women when the wall hits. This article is just a hot piece of man hate while trying to convince us that Maxwell is as much a victim of men as all women- young and old alike.

[–]dingoperson2 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ghislaine’s “naughty eyes” as she flirted with a young Boris Johnson at Oxford, back in the days when none of them had ever heard of the paedophile Jeffrey Epstein.

Trust The Guardian to use child sex victims to tarnish the UK prime minister by association. They say themselves that there was no Epstein in the picture - but still, hey, let's just name-drop him.

Anything can be used. The child user in a jet and the child sex user in a newspaper are just the same psyche manifested differently.

[–]LorainneSin 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is absolutely fucking disgusting.

[–]delsystem32exe 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

lmfao bunch of goons

[–]okfornothing 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As if women don't rape. SMH.

[–]Sperm40mmSprintChamp 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I love how if a woman has trauma, she is off the hook to them. Yet boys are abused and neglected non stop but we are evil or some shit by nature. Stats pointing to a problem be damned

[–]regularcomments 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

typical behavior from media who "empowers" women...except when they have to face consequences from their own actions, then they are five years old again.

[–]GirlFartConnoisseur 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That the woman who procured girls for Epstein and his wealthy friends will now die in prison, while the men involved remain either free to live their lives or (in Epstein’s case) beyond the reach of any mortal judge, provokes a nagging sense of unfinished business.

Epstein was fucking offed in prison and she's talking about how he got off easy 😂. No shit it's unfinished business. He was a loose end that got tied up.

From an early age, we drum into children the idea that if they’re lost or scared they should seek help from a police officer first and, failing that, a woman.

Not my child. Feminists push the idea that women are trustworthy by default, but women are every bit as capable of committing sex crimes as men. They just fly under the radar because of the Women Are Wonderful hypothesis and female privilege.

This whole article is just "She did something bad, but let's think about her circumstances." She is a pedophile. She sexually assaulted children. Prisons are full of men who had bad childhoods and nobody even gives their circumstances a second thought.

[–]aigars2 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women good, men bad sells. Nothing surprising. Don't use and don't pay media who are doing this. Also don't donate to Wikipedia.

[–]JFedererJ 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Damn, being a man I'm partly to blame as well, I guess.

Sorry, world.

// Goes back to eating chicken wings

[–]GrinningPizza 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

goes back to basement and model railroads

[–]AndyBrown65 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, well, well....blow me down with a feather

[–]GrinningPizza 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Even birds have more dignity lol

[–]visicircle 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's nice, TheGuardian. When do the clients get punished?

[–]Boeijen666 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Coming from the Guardian, I'm surprised it wasn't more defending Maxwell more.

[–]Svenskbtch 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fascinating. Would blaming Epstein not be the first point of call?

At any rate, it strikes me how much the narrative trying to exculpate her is anything but progressive, but downright reactionary: a Victorian vision of women as incapable of such actions. As I understand it, in those days, sometimes even serial killers (women) were exonerated by all male juries in cases where the seriousness of the crime and level of evidence exceeded those in this case.

Justice was served in a path-breaking way. How could someone of a progressive bent reasonably disagree?

[–]LibertarianP 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you know who her father is, they'll say anything she wants them to.

[–]accidental_me 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

From an early age, we drum into children the idea that if they’re lost or scared they should seek help from a police officer first and, failing that, a woman.

What? Do they in Britain really teach children to be sexists? Are all Britts feminists? Fortunately, things haven't gone that far where I live.

[–]GrinningPizza 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Let’s hope it doesn’t go any further!

[–]More-Focus-43 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Whilst I agree that the associates should be brought to light and Maxwell shouldn't be the only one being sent to prison, suggesting that she is any way a victim, that's not on. There's a podcast series on audible that follows the same narrative.

[–]singularitous 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

To be fair to them, it's an opinion piece, meaning Gaby Hinsliff is the one blaming men and excusing her actions, and the guardian is just giving her space to rant. Opinion pieces are almost universally garbage takes, and are published by basically every publication.

[–]__pulsar 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

To be fair

They still choose which opinion pieces get published, and they choose mostly feminist/leftist talking points. That's their right as a company, but I don't see what there is to be fair to them about. They use the opinion section to push certain narratives. It's just a fact.

[–]Huffers1010 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I do wonder why Hinsliff is viewed as a worthwhile opinion on this matter. Nothing wrong with her as far as I'm aware, but you might as well get a take from anyone anywhere.

[–]pooky311 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men should stop apologizing and trying to make sense of this witch hunt. Embrace toxicity and be proud men.

[–]kapriece 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Back on the day it was women who ran whore houses soooooo.......

This is not different. She participated or ran the thing. Sadly we will never know bc I believe they sealed the records. Regular men didn't attend those parties but powerful men did. Funny how those men are off the hook and the rest of us will see the trickle down effect of the bullshit.

[–]Huffers1010 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

As /u/BrokeMacMountain below, I despair for what's happened to the Guardian, but I don't think that article can fairly be said to attempt to entirely excuse Maxwell's actions. It states directly she's not the victim, and the sentence following /u/TheSpaceDuck's quote is:

But the “poor little rich girl” thesis sits uneasily with some of the stories her accusers told in court, which imply a woman accustomed to dealing with problems as only the rich can: by paying someone to make them go away.

...which in my view goes some way to deliberately negating the speculation of the previous sentence that Maxwell was "conditioned". Hinsliff seems to be musing: perhaps, but then again no, which is reasonable. I think the article is a stream-of-consciousness opinion from a person no more qualified to have an opinion on this subject than I am, and I would not be surprised if the author held much stronger views than she can get published, but that's wild speculation.

I mean, she once worked for the Daily Mail.

[–]TheSpaceDuck[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I disagree.

Strip away the yachts and the servants and all the other trappings of a billionaire lifestyle, and there is frighteningly little separating Maxwell from that tiny but grotesque pantheon of female offenders seemingly so desperate to be loved that they collude in their partners’ abusive fantasies

We may never know whether Maxwell got her own kicks from this twisted game or whether she was simply too damaged to resist it, conditioned perhaps as friends have suggested by a childhood in the shadow of her bullying father

Both these paragraphs clearly seek for ways to excuse her acts as being influenced by the men in her life, sometimes going as far as suggesting whether she was "too damaged to resist it".

The second quote even links to a Guardian article about how Maxwell's father "shaped his daughter". If anyone wrote anything like that about Breivik and how he was "shaped by his abusive mother" or "too damaged to resist" the path he took I can assure you there would be a lot of outrage, and for very good reason.

[–]TheSpaceDuck[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

How exactly does that quote change how they implied that she might've been just "too damaged by her bullying father", even linking towards a Guardian article on how "her father's life shaped her"?

How would you react if an article questioned whether Anders Breivik "got his own kicks from the twisted game or was simply too damaged to resist it, conditioned by a childhood in the shadow of his abusive mother"?

If one would be an unacceptable attempt at excusing an abhorrent human being committing heinous acts, then so is the other.

[–]Omegatron8 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Woman commits horrific crimes...men bad"

[–]HipEvilMidget 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Post title is misleading. Let's try to be objective here. The article is about other unknown people who will likely never be named. While yes, it does bring up an aspect her defense team presented, where it implies she may not be entirely to blame for her actions, which is obviously BS. It also refers to her negatively as a predator several times. It certainly could have been written better, but its definitely not what OP declares.

[–]Sloth_Hasselhoff 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

The title of this isn't really accurate. It's not blaming all men, and it isn't fully excusing Maxwell's actions either. It does suggest she might have been a victim, but it's not a definitive statement.

I understand the writer isn't someone that likes men, you can tell from her past articles where she stands on that. However, this is not as bad as those articles. People on the fence, will take this as the media have told them to. That MRA's are simply women haters. The titling of posts needs to be very careful to not paint this group as that. I would also ask people to remember the responses they post also plays a part in how people perceive this group.

[–]TheSpaceDuck[S] 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Uh no, it is definitely trying to excuse her actions.

We may never know whether Maxwell got her own kicks from this twisted game or whether she was simply too damaged to resist it, conditioned perhaps as friends have suggested by a childhood in the shadow of her bullying father, the late tycoon Robert Maxwell.

As I mentioned before, how would you react if an article questioned whether Anders Breivik "got his own kicks from the twisted game or was simply too damaged to resist it, conditioned by a childhood in the shadow of his abusive mother"?

If one would be an unacceptable attempt at excusing an abhorrent human being committing heinous acts, then so is the other.

[–]Sloth_Hasselhoff 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

You're comparing Anders Breivik with Maxwell? Breivik killed seventy seven people and clearly was never victimized. With Maxwell being in league with Epstein, she could have very well been in a coercive relationship, we don't really know due to the evidence being sealed and kept from the public. However, this article did not say she should not be sent to prison. It merely suggested she too might be a victim, even though then she would still be guilty for aiding in her own abuse and the abuse of others. With you bringing Breivik into this, you're making yourself look like a loon.

[–]TheSpaceDuck[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Breivik killed seventy seven people.

And Maxwell likely sent that many children or more into sex slavery. Comparing which crime is worse is a moot point.

and clearly was never victimized

That's the point: he was. By his mother. It's the exact same situation (damaged by father/damaged by mother) with the exception that in Breivik's case he also suffered sexual abuse as a child.

There is absolutely no reason to suggest that one was simply "too damaged to resist it" and the other was not. And we absolutely wouldn't be having this discussion if both were male. She was an abhorrent person, not a "damaged woman", end of story.

[–]usku 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am more amazed that it took this long to try to excuse her oppression.

/rolleyes

Bullshit.

[–]myevillaugh -2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This article argues to go after the men who raped teenagers by way of Epstein and Maxwell. It isn't blaming men for the sex trafficking. Is no one reading the article?

[–]TheSpaceDuck[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It does both.

Strip away the yachts and the servants and all the other trappings of a billionaire lifestyle, and there is frighteningly little separating Maxwell from that tiny but grotesque pantheon of female offenders seemingly so desperate to be loved that they collude in their partners’ abusive fantasies

We may never know whether Maxwell got her own kicks from this twisted game or whether she was simply too damaged to resist it, conditioned perhaps as friends have suggested by a childhood in the shadow of her bullying father.

That the woman who procured girls for Epstein and his wealthy friends will now die in prison, while the men involved remain either free to live their lives or (in Epstein’s case) beyond the reach of any mortal judge

I'm all ok with suggesting that too much emphasis is being given in having Epstein's partner-in-crime condemned and not enough in chasing all the involved. In fact, I've been saying exactly that since the whole Epstein thing blew up.

What I'm not ok with is trying to remove agency of her actions suggesting influence from the men in her life (her father, her partner, etc.) much less suggest that "it's the men who walk free" (an ironic statement considering what happened to Epstein), deliberately ignoring how skewed against men the courts are in these trials rather than the opposite.

[–]Ihaveaparrot -4 points-3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's an opinion piece bruh, they're like the worst takes.

It's not "the guardian" blames men, it's the author.

[–]Jay_Hardy 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

They still let it be published, though?

[–]Ihaveaparrot 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea that's how opinion pieces work, it's the most extreme takes by definition.

As much as I don't support them, I suppose they let her publish this because we're all curious about the extreme view points.

Feel me?

[–]ZombieP0ny -5 points-4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You know what I hate?

When people grab a fucking OPINION PIECE and say "news paper x supports thing y". It's a fucking opinion piece. That's what they're for. So people can express their opinions.

Doesn't mean that the paper supports that opinion in any way. That's not how that works. Stop it. It's stupid. It makes you look stupid.

[–]TheSpaceDuck[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Does she not work for The Guardian? Did they not publish it?

[–]Ok-Debate-8480 -4 points-3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

tries to excuse her actions

It goes without saying that Ghislaine Maxwell is not the victim here.

[–]TheSpaceDuck[S] 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Nice cherry-picking. You might want to read the entire article:

We may never know whether Maxwell got her own kicks from this twisted game or whether she was simply too damaged to resist it, conditioned perhaps as friends have suggested by a childhood in the shadow of her bullying father, the late tycoon Robert Maxwell.

Strip away the yachts and the servants and all the other trappings of a billionaire lifestyle, and there is frighteningly little separating Maxwell from that tiny but grotesque pantheon of female offenders seemingly so desperate to be loved that they collude in their partners’ abusive fantasies

They repeatedly attribute agency of their crimes to the different men in her life (her father, her partner). I don't see the opposite happening when the offender is male, do you? Nor would it be considered acceptable anywhere.

[–]Ok-Debate-8480 -5 points-4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The article still doesn't try to justify her actions tho, even if it blames men for her being that way

[–]PeaceMaker_6969 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

When you put the blame on someone else, you are in a way justifing.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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