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[–]ajax_on_rye 36 points37 points38 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Lot's of items are repeated with slight rewording.
So, not really usable in its current form.
[–]MasterZapple 21 points22 points23 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"Hypergamy" and "Having it all" and "The Sisterhood" make this more of a joke than anything.
[–]doyoulikemenow 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Also, "fewer" is used with plural nouns instead of "less".
E.g. fewer deaths, fewer injuries.
[–]greenmachine64 16 points17 points18 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sorry but this needs some work.
[–]prybarn 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sentencing gap.
[–]Correctrix 13 points14 points15 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Rather vague items, including 'having it all'.
[–]moderndaycassiusclay 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Less likely to be laughed at when asking the police for help with domestic abuse.
[–]hebrewnational35 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Feminism, in its current form, is a joke. They talk all about women's issues (of which there certainly are some) , but are completely uneducated on the issues men face. Feminism isn't equality for all, feminism advocates for women's issues and ignores the problems men face. That's why I'm an egalitarian.
[–]unpicked-username 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Show them this list then, and give statistics, I wanna hear their hilarious responses
[–]RockFourFour 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It usually boils down to:
"WHY DO YOU HATE WOMEN?!? YOU FUCKING MISOGYNIST!!!"
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Dropping this in r/feminism or r/askfeminists is pointless. They would ban him within a few minutes/hours and probabky delete the thread.
[–]Ovendice 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
.. like they ban anyone who speaks the truth. So what? Who cares?
[–]TechnoSam_Belpois -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
(of which there certainly are some)
Such as? I'm legitimately curious.
As an aside, whatever these issues are, I'm guessing that for feminism to fight for them, it will have to abandon "equal rights under the law," and shift to "alleviate female-specific social problems," correct?
[–]TacoNinjaSkills 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I would cut this in about half and keep the most objective and "strongest" ones.
[–]MRMRising 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Have men to protect them.
[–]WeaponizedPillows 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
One thing that sticks out to me here is "less likely to experience dysmorphia". Do you have a good source on that?
Also, some of this is accurate, but some of it feels like axe-grinding. Like "The Sisterhood".
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I see something like this being more harmful than helpful to mens rights. We don't want to discuss the privileges of being born female. Women need their gender privilege thrown in their face as much as we gentlemen do; not at all.
It's less aggressive, more efficient, and more logical, to post the absent rights of being born male.
[–]LilyBentley 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Some of the privileges are so highly correlated in my mind that they are the same thing... Others I am not so sure about, but these are mostly from personal experience as a uterus-haver and not indicative of mass trends necessarily.
In specific I am wondering about the less mental health referrals. A female I associate with has been hospitalized for anorexia complications several times now, and they keep just getting her weight back to a healthy point and shipping her out without fixing the part of her brain that is actually messed up. While my boyfriend has schizophrenia but it is well managed.
Like I said, personal experiences, not indicative of mass trends.
[–]HAESisAMyth 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Isn't healthcare more expensive for pregnancy-aged women?
[–]KidDarkness 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes. I worked at a small company that had four women of child-bearing age and three beyond that age. Our boss chose to cover all of our healthcare and paid a small fortune because of the high child-bearing age coverage. (She was totally awesome for doing that.)
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It is if you're pregnant, which drives up the average usage for that age bracket heavily, but if you aren't pregnant, you tend to be lower than the average. A 20 or 30 something is generally healthier than a 40-80 something, regardless of gender.
[+]tgeezy -12 points-11 points-10 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Women also pay tax on tampons and such. This is a really shitty graphic overall.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
And exactly how much do they pay in taxes in a given year and to counter that, men pay taxes on razors.
[–]FriendlyAlcoholic -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Wait... do you really think men shave more than women?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I (a man) shave every single day. So , yes I sure do.
[–]HAESisAMyth -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Monthly birth control.
The wording is shit and repetitive.
[+]tgeezy -12 points-11 points-10 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
"Not avoided by strangers of the other gender" is just laughable. This was written by a sad and lonely person, under the guise of "fact"
[–]Ovendice 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm getting older, but I'm tall and when I was younger I was the shit and got lots of women, but for the most part most women would avoid even me if they didn't know me especially in places where there weren't a lot of other people around. "Oh my! He could be an ax murderer!" Simply because he has a penis. And you know all of this. You're full of shit.
[–]HAESisAMyth 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
It's just a shit-post.
I sub here and at againstmensrights (I like to read both sides), and this will probably make them salivate because of the ease involved in mocking it.
Should honestly be removed for "No low-effort image", which it is.
[–]Ovendice 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well then put your money where your mouth is and make a better list. It's easy to just sit there and do nothing and criticize people who are actually doing work and making an effort. What have you done? Nothing.
It's sadly one of the consequences of an extremely pro-free speech sub, unless it's spam or the title is utterly misleading to the point of being a barefaced lie, it will usually stay up. To be honest low-effort image posts should end up getting dragged off the front page by downvotes anyway, but this sub tends not to pile on the downvotes unless an OP is openly anti-MRA without being able to back up their claims. Even crap content that is pro-MRA or anti-fem tends not to drop below 80% upvoted.
[–]tgeezy -5 points-4 points-3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I too enjoy reading both sides of the debate and to see people willingly disregard even the most basic logic/critical thinking to upvote or commend something like this just makes me sad. When did it actually just become each side straight up disliking the other? There's no other way to describe the point we're at now if something as low-effort and low-quality as this gets support of any kind (thankfully there are a few others in this thread pointing out its vagueness)
[–]Merkus 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
*Ladies free before midnight Men $20 all night long
[–]madamesage 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Some of these are bullshit.
"having it all" - this is the dilemma faced by working women today. It is men who achieve both family and career (what 'having it all' refers to) without being seen to sacrifice one or the other. Women are not yet afforded this opportunity.
'Positive sexual encouragement' - Explain, then, the origin of terms such as slut, whore, easy, etc. Women are not positively encouraged to be sexually free.
Better healthcare - Women will not receive all-round equal healthcare until politics and religion remove themselves from family planning.
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[–]MalibuStayZ 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That's just not true. Breast cancer is more common, although not by much.
http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/breast/statistics/
http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/prostate/statistics/
[–]CruelCrow 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There are some differences in statistics and how they're interpreted. There are about 7 million more women in the U.S. (158.6 mil vs 151.4 mil) although I'm not sure if that would make that much of a difference. SEER estimates that about men have a 1/7 chance of a prostate cancer diagnosis while women have a 1/8 chance of a breast cancer diagnosis.
Either way, 50x more funding (if it's true) is a bit excessive but that has more to do with the way the organizations get funding and you couldn't really prove an association to many factors except maybe a more successful marketing strategy.
[–]FriendlyAlcoholic -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Brest cancer is also significantly more lethal as far as I know and tends to strike younger women as opposed to prostate cancer hitting older men.
[–]MalibuStayZ 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Less likely to be depressed.
From all I read, women are more likely to get diagnosed with depressions than men.
Might be that men have more often undiagnosed depressions, the higher suicide rate would suggest so, but this would need proof for me.
[–]A-TeamTown 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Silly to mention "The Sistershood". Seems like your just making stuff up at that point. I have never heard of this secret "Sisterhood". Their must be an equivalent, like a "band of brothers".
[–]Lucius_Martius 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well, I'm not sure if he meant that, but there are studies that show that women have a greater in-group bias in almost all situation, meaning that women unlike men will automatically tend to side with other women.
See this abstract of a study (I sadly cannot provide a link to the whole thing): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15491274
In my opinion this is the explanation why women assume there is some great conspiracy of all men against them. It's projection because that's what they would do and in fact are trying to do in the case of feminists. And it also explains why many men are so offended by the mere thought of a patriarchy the way feminists describe it, because it wouldn't even occur to most men.
I don't know whether he meant that when he wrote "Sisterhood". But even if he did it's still quite silly.
[–]circlhat 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hypergamy isn't a privillage its a sexual strategy by females
[–]paulkersey1999 -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
this is a good list, but it does not even get into dating and sexual relationships and how women hold all the cards in that area. also no mention of how they financially exploit men nor how they get HALF (or more) of his money in the event of divorce and how they get the kids 99.9% of the time.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
dating and sexual relationships and how women hold all the cards in that area
Women hold the cards for sex, but men hold the cards for commitment/marriage.
[–]paulkersey1999 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
if a man wishes to get a girlfriend/hook up/have sex etc. he has to pursue the female (it is almost NEVER the other way around). he has to introduce himself, pass her bullshit tests (and her friend's too in many cases), make conversation, ask her out, pay for the date (often several dates before she puts out) initiate the sex, overcome her obligatory objections, wear a fucking condom, stay all night etc. etc. the burden is totally on him. all she has to do is sit back and watch as he jumps through hoops to win her affection, and at any time she can simply say "no". if that's not holding all the cards, than i don't know what is.
Yes, women hold the cards for sex. I agree.
[–]Appleseed12333 -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No matter what, I would never give up being a guy. Especially if I have to be a girl.
[–]No_bother -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
LESS LIKELY TO CONTRACT TESTICULAR CANCER LESS LIKELY TO SUFFER MALE PATTERN BALDNESS FEWER WOMEN SUFFER THE STRESS OF RUNNING FORTUNE 100 COMPANIES
Trying way too hard there mate.
[–]Planet_Spaniel -4 points-3 points-2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I just think everyone needs to get the fuck over themselves, regardless of who you are.
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[+]Azothlike -8 points-7 points-6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lol? "Hypergamy" is not a female privilege. It is an attractiveness privilege.
As an attractive male, I benefit from Hypergamy quite a bit.
[+]Deansdale -7 points-6 points-5 points 8 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
Hypergamy is not a privilege, it's an instinct.
[–]Ovendice 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
It's implying women can afford to actually practice hypergamy, Einstein. Men can't.
[–]Deansdale 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You don't seem to understand that for women to be able to afford hypergamy men in general have to be richer than women to begin with. Since men control more resources than women it is mathematically impossible for most women to marry any other way but up.
In order for men to be able to afford hypergamy first you'd have to make sure that women in general are richer than men. You can already see the changes in society as some women are getting richer. Madonna married Guy Ritchie for example, so she married down. The question of who can "afford" hypergamy boils down to who's poorer.
[–]LilyBentley -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link
If the women are more educated I'm not sure why men can't? I will be making more than my boyfriend of two years when I am done with college and grad school. Would like more details as to why men can't practice hypergamy.
[–]blueoak9 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Would like more details as to why men can't practice hypergamy.
Well, they can't very well do it alone, can they? They can't practice hypergamy if no woman will "marry down", can they?
[–]LilyBentley 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I want better of women, this is true. It would be terrible if they practiced what they preach.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's the same for women. Women can't practice hypergamy if men won't "marry down" either, it just so happens that men do marry down as the societal norm. Hypergamy may be a female instinct, but it is enabled by men.
[–]blueoak9 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hypergamy may be a female instinct, but it is enabled by men.
This is true of the entire gender system - both genders' behaviors are shaped by the other gender.
If hypergamy is an instinct - and how many species do we see it in - this enabling by men is what allowed it to persist.
[–]Deansdale 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Women are hypergamous and men are polygamous by nature, which are different mating strategies created by natural selection. These are the optimal strategies for the collective survival of our species, and as such are encoded in our instincts. It's not something you can practice, or decide not to - it's hidden from your conscious mind. It determines who you find sexually attractive. Boiled down to basic concepts they mean that men generally want all of the women who show signs of fertility, while women want exculsive deals with one of the men on the top. This usually results in a compromise where women trade their looks and fertility for the commitment of a man of sufficient resources. This in a sane society results in pretty much everyone finding a partner whose sexual market value is comparable to their own. There's nothing unfair about this, even though it's admittedly an unfortunate deal for poor men and ugly women. But let's get real for a moment: nobody is entitled to get partners of higher SMV than their own.
It's not that men can't practice hypergamy - it's not in our nature at all. We don't care much about a woman's status or wealth when choosing sexual partners. When a nurse marries a doctor it's a good deal for both of them, assuming the nurse is better looking than the older high status females around.
Hypergamy is not a female privilege any more than polygamy is a male privilege. Both are stupid assumptions.
[–]LilyBentley 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Thanks for giving me a, you know, actual answer. I think that might be why I was confused - I personally have never seen any problem with consensual polyamory, and currently am with a man who grew up in a family which practiced poly as well, so while neither of us currently have extraneous partners, they are an option. I suppose its the joke that bisexuality gives me part of a man brain. I don't understand going out of your way to up your class through marriage (I do conceptually, just not in actual practice) because I have been lucky enough to be an only child born to middle class parents, so I don't need money, and following the bell curve means there are plenty of men and women in the middle to check out.
Well, instincts are only predispositions, individual tastes may vary. Talking about these things is tricky because looking at broad tendencies and statistics they inevitably show, but almost everyone feels like an exception, an outlier.
As for your situation, it's important for a woman to be able to look up to her partner, and that's quite a bit harder if she has higher social status than him. It can be worked around if the guy knows what's he's doing but - statistically speaking - most of these relationships end with the woman losing attraction for the lower status man and dumping him. Even if you feel you don't need money your instincts might find the guy less attractive as your statuses change relative to each other. Let's hope you'll be an outlier in this too...
[–]5489854987 -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Reality and human nature isn't a thought experiment in your brain.
[–]LilyBentley 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm not sure what you are trying to say here. I'm not trying to say men are only a figment of my imagination.
[–]ThePigmanAgain -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think what he's trying to say is that evolutionary psychology is a figment of his imagination!
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