Isn't the disparity in the way that this choice disproportionately affects women though? As they are the ones expected to drop their work to take care of the kids, they're often forced to make a choice between their career and their children. Men on the other hand generally aren't expected to pause their careers when they have kids.
The flipside of this is that men who want to stay at home with their children and be the carer are often maligned as being poor providers, since going out to work is the "man's role"
My point is that both of these expectations seem regressive. Women shouldn't be automatically expected to ditch their careers if they choose to have children. Nor should men be expected to be the financial provider if their choice is to be a stay at home dad.
Not basing this on any actual stats, but I think women being the ones to pause their careers comes back to career choices as well. My girlfriend makes 40k less than me right out of college because I'm in tech and she's an elementary education major. Even though she has her masters she still makes way less than me. If we have kids and one of us had to take off work for an extended period of time it would have to be her because we couldn't afford much if I took off. I'd love to be a stay at home dad, but it's not possible.
Female birth-control only benefits men when women chose for it to do so, and in some cases, if a woman so choses, it can be detrimental to a man as she can claim to be on the pill, but not be. I'd rather put my money into research for male birth-control. And I don't think we should have to pay for their birth control. That's just my perspective though, and I'd be interested to see what others think
I'm going to guess you've never worked construction yourself. Or even a labour job? I've done summer jobs in construction and pipeline since I was 17 and I was never the only female. Again, stats may be on your side but how does that mean men are saddled with "different career choices" and women aren't? Lol
Exactly, anecdotes don't matter and my comment about your experience was offhand. I even labelled it an assumption but the fact is I don't care about your experience, you just focused on that instead of my main point.
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Isn't the disparity in the way that this choice disproportionately affects women though? As they are the ones expected to drop their work to take care of the kids, they're often forced to make a choice between their career and their children. Men on the other hand generally aren't expected to pause their careers when they have kids.
The flipside of this is that men who want to stay at home with their children and be the carer are often maligned as being poor providers, since going out to work is the "man's role"
My point is that both of these expectations seem regressive. Women shouldn't be automatically expected to ditch their careers if they choose to have children. Nor should men be expected to be the financial provider if their choice is to be a stay at home dad.
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I agree, those ideas are regressive. But that issue isn't a pay gap, it's based in gender roles.
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Not basing this on any actual stats, but I think women being the ones to pause their careers comes back to career choices as well. My girlfriend makes 40k less than me right out of college because I'm in tech and she's an elementary education major. Even though she has her masters she still makes way less than me. If we have kids and one of us had to take off work for an extended period of time it would have to be her because we couldn't afford much if I took off. I'd love to be a stay at home dad, but it's not possible.
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How is the 77% figure calculated? Is it simply female income divided by male income? If so that's fucking stupid.
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Female birth-control only benefits men when women chose for it to do so, and in some cases, if a woman so choses, it can be detrimental to a man as she can claim to be on the pill, but not be. I'd rather put my money into research for male birth-control. And I don't think we should have to pay for their birth control. That's just my perspective though, and I'd be interested to see what others think
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What would your thoughts be on society/ the taxpayers paying for research into new forms of male birth-control?
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What is this, a crossover episode?
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"Different career choices"? Wut
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I'm going to guess you've never worked construction yourself. Or even a labour job? I've done summer jobs in construction and pipeline since I was 17 and I was never the only female. Again, stats may be on your side but how does that mean men are saddled with "different career choices" and women aren't? Lol
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Exactly, anecdotes don't matter and my comment about your experience was offhand. I even labelled it an assumption but the fact is I don't care about your experience, you just focused on that instead of my main point.
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What a bunch of sad little bitches you are. You're not men, you're whiny little pansies.
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