Third-grader boy stripsearched by a Female school administrator because a little "princess" accused him of stealing money

2012-06-20T12:44:20+00:00

Hopefully, she loses her job over this. We wouldn't tolerate this kind of behavior from a male assistant principal and a 10 year old female student. Can you imagine it? She was stripped down to her t-shirt and underwear, the assistant principal searched her underwear waist band, then hugged her after it was all said and done and they didn't find the money. He'd be getting raped in jail in a few months.

Mitschu · 2012-06-20T13:19:50+00:00

... I was about to rant about how unprofessional this was, and then I read Teresa Holme's statement (the administrator.)

I explained to Justin that as a school administrator I had the authority to search him based on the information that I had been given by Mrs. Lamb and Mrs. Fisher as well as the seven or eight students pointing to him.

I told Justin to take off his shoes. I looked inside them and moved the tongue of each shoe from left to right. I told him to take off his socks. I turned them inside out and looked at both of them. I could see that Justin had on a pair of over-sized boxers. I told him to take off his jeans. I checked every pocket, the hem of both legs and the waistband. I ran my hands around the outside of the waistband of his boxers. I gave him his jeans to put back on. I turned his socks back right side in and gave them to him to put back on. I gave him his shoes to put back on. I could see that he had a t-shirt on under his shirt, so I asked him to take off his shirt. I checked the pockets on the shirt as well as the hem of the shirt tail and the hem of the sleeves. I asked him to pull up his t-shirt so that I could see under it. I gave him his shirt to put back on.

At this point, I knew that Justin did not have the money. I sat in front of him telling him that I was sorry that I had to search him. I again explained that as a school administrator, I had the authority to search him because two teachers thought he had the money as well as seven or eight students. At this point, Mrs. Fisher came and knocked on my door. I opened the door, and Mrs. Fisher told me that the $20 dollar bill had just miraculously shown up on the floor.

That... is a very... overdone strip search. God, I'm surprised she gave up there instead of moving on to a cavity search next. After all, once you've run a finger through their suspiciously "oversized" boxers, the next step is lubing it up in the hunt for the missing $20.

Did she check inside his mouth, as well, to make sure he didn't have an orthodontic pill capsule? Did she check his scalp to see if he had pinned the money there? I mean, if you're going to be thorough, be thorough. Get the kid an X-Ray to see if he's smuggling terrorist bombs into school while we're at it.

Revisiting a line:

At this point, I knew that Justin did not have the money. I sat in front of him telling him that I was sorry that I had to search him.

Authoritarian egotistical bullshit. I've seen it before. Never "I'm sorry I did something bad." but "I'm sorry I had to do something bad." A common tactic for deflecting blame away once you realize you've fucked up. Take this warning to heart; anyone who speaks like this is subtly warning you that they're not to be trusted with responsibility. Only sadder thing is that this woman is an administrator. Pretty big responsibility.

She then goes on to preach to the kid about the importance of having a good reputation so that stuff like this doesn't happen. In feminist parlance, that's victim blaming. "You know Johnny, if you had a better reputation you wouldn't have been stripped and molested." "You know Susie, if you hadn't worn a skirt you wouldn't have been raped." Same. Fucking. Thing.

Her "reputation speech" is pretty much victim blaming in a nutshell, from the abuser no less. "Justin, you've lied before, haven't you? Yes or no? And you've lied to ME before. Yes or no?" Let me add one more; "This is really YOUR fault, isn't it? Yes or no?" - because that's what she was building up to, without saying it.

All in all, I retract my original thoughts about how unprofessional this was. This was very professional, and highly immoral. If I wanted to strip and molest a middle schooler with professionalism, this is how I would do it.

billywms · 2012-06-20T09:38:30+00:00

Can you imagine the outrage if the roles were reversed? And a MAN had strip searched a 3rd grade GIRL!

burritosandbeer · 2012-06-20T12:26:34+00:00

Gender issues aside,

"The assistant principal was within her legal authority, her legal right, to do the search,"

This worries me on it's own merit more than anything else. Also, protip for the assistant principal: don't hug someone you just molested.

CHEESY_ABORTION_FIST · 2012-06-20T11:05:21+00:00

If I were the mother I would have called the police and filed a report, in hopes that they (the police) take the situation seriously and charge the lady with child molestation.

Craysh · 2012-06-20T17:18:25+00:00

Since when is finding money on the floor stealing? Even if he dove for it under a table when he saw it...

oneiorosgrip · 2012-06-20T12:23:33+00:00

Regardless of the other facts in this story (because I bet that eventually there will be an apologist in here talking about the other details) a strip search was definitely uncalled for. It wouldn't matter who did it. It's an invasive act, and a personal violation, whether performed by the opposite or the same sex, whether performed on a boy or a girl.

As to the rest of the details, the administrator's story seems very suspect to me. According to the article, the money landed on the floor and was later found on the floor, but disappeared in the meantime... yet no mention is made of questioning any of the other students about the time during which it was allegedly missing.

This leaves me wondering if maybe that money was not very aggressively sought after because the teachers succumbed to the students' mob mentality after having identified a potential suspect... if another kid picked it up and then dropped it for fear of getting caught... or if the girl pocketed the money and then dropped it again in fear of being caught leveling a false accusation. What would this principal have done had the money not been found? Would she have started strip-searching other suspects? Would she have strip-searched the accuser?

RC_5213 · 2012-06-20T13:53:17+00:00

Since when can schools search students persons? I thought you had to get the police for that.

Alanna · 2012-06-20T16:57:32+00:00

This is why you teach your children to never consent to a search. My father taught me this when I was a boy.

I had gone off campus to smoke a cigarette during lunch, behind a donut shop right off of school grounds. The owners of the donut shop always used to yell at us and threaten to call the cops, we were always gone in less than 5 minutes (this is what happens when 4 people share a cigarette). We'd walk back on to campus and that'd be the end of it.

One day they came into class and pulled all 4 of us who were out there smoking and put us outside the principles office. They took us in 1 by 1 and basically interrogated us. The principle told me he was going to search me and I told him straight up to fuck off and I would not consent to a search. He tried to intimidate me, called the cops and two officers showed up and threatened me with arrest. I told them to fuck off as well. He said they had a call saying someone saw us smoking marijuana - I laughed my ass off at him. I told him to fuck off and I wasn't smoking anything especially marijuana. The other 3 consented to searches once the officers showed up but I still refused. They threatened over and over to arrest me and I told them over and over to fuck off. Even called them pigs and perverts for wanting to search a little boy. Started going off on them about wanting to feel me up and all this other stuff (being super obnoxious) to the point one of the officers told me to shut the fuck up and pushed me. At that point I told the officer he had assaulted me and I wanted them to call my father immediatly. They called my father thinking they could get him to talk me into consenting to a search. He blew up on them and said he was coming down to take me out of school. It really backfired on them. He came down barged into the priciples office, layed into his ass about calling me a liar and said if I said I wasnt doing drugs he better well fucking believe me. Then grabbed me and started walking off campus. The principle and officers were yelling "If you take him off campus we are going to expel him! he wont be able to come back to any school in this district!". My dad said fuck you, you'll be hearing from my lawyer and we drove home. On the drive home my dad said "Tell me the truth, were you smoking weed?" I told him the truth and said no we were smoking cigarettes. He said well I'm going to search you when we get home and I said OK. By the time we got home he said no its OK I believe you and didnt search me. I didn't have anything on me anyways but it was a nice gesture of trust from my father. We called the lawyer and basically he reamed the school district and the very next day the principle called to appologize and said that they would reinstate me at the school if I took a drug test and it came back negative. I did and it did come back negative and I got to go back to school. The whole point is you need to teach your children to stand up for themselves. Tell them NO ONE has the right to search you and NO ONE can intimidate you into giving up that right. Start young, start early and remain consistant.

I consider my father a wonderful dad because he taught me that and always stood up for me. I think a lot of men can benefit by raising their children this way. This is how you create MRA's is by setting the example about standing up for themselves and their rights.

I would have never been prouder of my boy than if he had refused this search. I would have done the exact same thing for my child - come down there and raise hell. It's sad the poor child felt intimidated to submit to this search.

yarpsa · 2012-06-21T00:24:59+00:00

why the "little princess" language in the title?

2012-06-20T16:28:32+00:00

All of my hate.

TheDongerNeedsFood · 2012-06-20T15:44:18+00:00

For anyone out there who doesn't think that the elementary school system isn't a completely female run institution in which the women and girls believe that they have complete and absolute authority over any and all males in the school.

jomynow · 2012-06-20T17:51:17+00:00

So if you flip the gender of child and teacher is this ok and , "within her legal authority".

SheriffBart42 · 2012-06-20T18:27:54+00:00

Where is this part about "princess"? Don't overly dramatize/lie about it or it won't be taken seriously.

Arxl · 2012-06-20T19:10:50+00:00

My old principal in elementary stole my Yu-Gi-Oh! Cards. I say stole because he took them, put them in his desk and told me I could have them back at the end of the school year. I remembered at the end of the year that he took quite a valuable item from me so I asked for my cards back. He didn't have them, I assume he gave them to someone else or sold them. Either way, karma is a bitch and a willow tree on the school blew over and crushed his brand new Dodge Viper.

Also, he was fired later for trying to get a parent to have sex with him to boost the child's grade.

chavelah · 2012-06-20T17:42:31+00:00

The credibility of your defense of the 3rd grade boy is greatly undermined by your undisguised contempt of the 3rd grade girl.

I have no idea what really happened with the money - and neither does anyone else. Maybe he gave it back to her. Maybe another kid took it out of his desk and dropped it on the floor while he was away being strip-searched. That doesn't matter. What matters is that when a 3rd grader needs to be searched, the appropriate person to do it is their parent.

ENTP · 2012-06-20T19:53:54+00:00

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kittenkat4u · 2012-06-21T06:22:51+00:00

since when has a teacher been given the legal authority to strip search a minor without a parent being present/given permission? i don't even think a cop can do that.

steelheader · 2012-06-20T17:04:42+00:00

Posted the two links on my facebook, and this was the response:

In the pursuit of healthy debate, I've gotta point out the obvious differences. There was only one male student while there were multiple female students. The male student was 10 year old child, whereas the female students were high school aged, bringing sexuality into the mixture. Third, in both instances the teachers have indeed been blasted for doing wrong. The fact that the mother (female) of the male victim did not sue perhaps suggests she is more even headed than the male parents of the wrongfully stripped female students?

On a side note, I consider myself a feminist. Yes, these two instances you bring up, and let's assume for a second they are completely valid and my above mentioned points are wrong, we still live in a time or great gender inequality.

If you're right, then yes we still need to balance things out because men being discriminated against is wrong. However, women still face a much, much larger, more invasive, more widespread, more widely accepted, and still institutionalized discrimination.

The current government helped women by trying to pass a law that would make assaulting a pregnant woman more serious a crime, while closing half of the women's centres that actually directly helped women in need. This shows a reduction in assistance in order in increase punishment. - This shows our political institutions still discriminate against women.

The average women still makes less money than a man. - This shows our economy still discriminates against women.

Women are still inundated with billions of dollars of advertising that demand they have unreal and unhealthy beauty standards unmatched by what men have ever been subjected to. It has become accepted that the sloppy, unkempt guy can still score the perfect 10. And that this should be his goal. And the definition of perfect 10 is a photoshopped, artificially enhanced woman. - This shows our culture's entire view of sexuality still discriminates against women.

One of the top rated comments on many YouTube videos is "bitch better make me a sandwich" on any video showing women succeeding. - This shows our culture's entire view of success still permeates with an underlying current of expected gender roles. Of which women's is to get in the kitchen.

Two instances of the violation of students' rights do not show a trend in gender inequality. They are merely two dots of a million-dot graph showing two indisputable trends: - Gender inequality goes both ways, and as a feminist I believe we need to eliminate that inequality to bring above true, indiscriminate equality for both sexes. And - Men still, on average, have it much, much better than women.

genuinemra · 2012-06-20T14:14:39+00:00

Why didn't you just live the auto-title in the text field when you submitted the link? The "princess" bit seems highly unnecessary editorialization.

Alanna · 2012-06-20T12:38:47+00:00

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Drainedsoul · 2012-06-20T08:43:40+00:00

To avoid being strip searched, you should probably not say "search me" to people...

Alanna · 2012-06-20T13:18:02+00:00

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Title	Third-grader boy stripsearched by a Female school administrator because a little "princess" accused him of stealing money
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Date	June 20, 2012 8:38 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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