TIL mods delete post about a scientific study that shows male victims of domestic violence are more likely to be arrested than the ones beating them. • /r/undelete
You mean when you're in a relationship or marriage? Maybe I didn't see the sarcasm in your comment but that sounds like something Dwight Shroot would say.
Alright. So let's say you walk in to my apartment. I'm sitting on the couch with red, bleeding forearms, and a scratched up face to match. My girlfriend is pacing in front of me and when she sees you, she starts crying, saying that I hit her. I don't react at all, and just look at you to see what you'll do.
I arrest based on the primary agressor. If she spits in your face, slaps you on the face and pushes you which causes you to deck her in the face with a closed fist in "self defense" instead of separation and calling 911; You're going to jail as the primary agressor..
If she "starts it", and acts "crazy" i.e. spits, slaps, shoves, throws stuff and you retaliate to a point that you cause a mark or visible injury (keep in mind her "freak out" leaves no proof), the State (for me Washington), mandates I arrest you as the Primary Agressor due to extent of injury, physical prowess, etc..
My opinion on the situation is null. I have to follow law or I expose my lively hood and am civilly liable.
No. "I was just doing my job" didn't work for the nazis and it doesn't work for cops. If you enforce an unjust law, you're as guilty as the people who made it.
I follow the law, not "my gut" or what my opinion is. If I don't follow the law, I am civilly liable. I will not jeprodize my lively hood to make an executive decision. Regardless on my opinion on the matter, its not worth it. i can't take personal stake in the matters of others when it comes to these types of matters.
You follow the law as an enforcer of violence on behalf of a state that has passed laws that enable women to physically batter men and get away with it because it doesn't leave any "evidence," as you do eloquently put it.
And yet, cops like you are all to happy to rush to a woman's aid at the mere suggestion that she is a victim of violence. Double standard much?
So if I spit in my girlfriend's face then put her in a triangle choke, and she calls the cops and you arrive, you'll arrest her when I'm sobbing and throw myself into your arms, accusing her of hitting me?
Spitting and triangle chokes leave no physical marks...
I chose this position for many reasons that go beyond DV laws which are only a small percentage of my overall daily duties. Mainly because I have a career that can support my family and hopefully one day will support a fruitful retirement.
I would because she left physical visible injury. Pushed, spit, etc are allegations I can't prove because I didn't see it and can't verify the allegation. They may have happened but there is nothing to prove it when I arrive.
Therefore, I have to arrest the one who left physical visible injury.
That's what you call an affirmative defense and I don't disagree with you. I'm sure people cause self injury and allege the other half did it. Probable Cause (necessary to affect an arrest) is not Beyond a Reasonable Doubt (required for court conviction).
Read up on Primary Agressor. Apparently my example confused you as to what I means.
I think people here are pissed at the cops when they are actually in disagreement with what the laws the courts have put in place that cops have to oblige. Kinda shooting the messanger in a sense.
I'm serving my community with no regrets and the utmost pride. I don't agree with every law (suprise, no one does) but as a citizen, all must oblige. If you disagree then do something to make a change. Instead of shaming someone who has signed up to protect you and your community. And by all means, apply to be an officer and do good for your community too.
Either people don't understand the DV laws or things are very different outside out my state. DV laws here are not created to favor females over males. People's assumption that I arrest the guy because the girl is crying and has allegations are either misunderstanding of the investigation process or are flat out wrong.
I know coming to a sub like this with what appears to be a differing opinion will only cause the whole to not like the opinion. I was simply trying to explain the process from an involved parties perspective. Unfortunately, that point fell on deaf years and instead of thoughtful conversation I was crucified by the disgruntled.
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8 months of jail for being assaulted by a woman. And to think that's not the worst that has happened in this kind of situation. Sorry to hear that.
That's should straight up be a violation of basic human rights.
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I really have a hard time believing this. An anonymous call about an argument means someone has to go to jail?
Not buying it.
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You mean when you're in a relationship or marriage? Maybe I didn't see the sarcasm in your comment but that sounds like something Dwight Shroot would say.
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Cases where they disregard pre-nups? Not doubting just terrified.
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So it's a scary reality but still avoidable thankfully.
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Alright. So let's say you walk in to my apartment. I'm sitting on the couch with red, bleeding forearms, and a scratched up face to match. My girlfriend is pacing in front of me and when she sees you, she starts crying, saying that I hit her. I don't react at all, and just look at you to see what you'll do.
Who's going to jail tonight?
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I arrest based on the primary agressor. If she spits in your face, slaps you on the face and pushes you which causes you to deck her in the face with a closed fist in "self defense" instead of separation and calling 911; You're going to jail as the primary agressor..
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Good question. No.
If she "starts it", and acts "crazy" i.e. spits, slaps, shoves, throws stuff and you retaliate to a point that you cause a mark or visible injury (keep in mind her "freak out" leaves no proof), the State (for me Washington), mandates I arrest you as the Primary Agressor due to extent of injury, physical prowess, etc..
My opinion on the situation is null. I have to follow law or I expose my lively hood and am civilly liable.
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Then you are part of the problem. Congratulations, officer asshat. I'm sure you're very proud of yourself.
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No. "I was just doing my job" didn't work for the nazis and it doesn't work for cops. If you enforce an unjust law, you're as guilty as the people who made it.
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Thank you for understanding what I'm trying to explain here.
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I follow the law, not "my gut" or what my opinion is. If I don't follow the law, I am civilly liable. I will not jeprodize my lively hood to make an executive decision. Regardless on my opinion on the matter, its not worth it. i can't take personal stake in the matters of others when it comes to these types of matters.
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You follow the law as an enforcer of violence on behalf of a state that has passed laws that enable women to physically batter men and get away with it because it doesn't leave any "evidence," as you do eloquently put it.
And yet, cops like you are all to happy to rush to a woman's aid at the mere suggestion that she is a victim of violence. Double standard much?
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I see where your coming from, but from my experience I can't agree. My examples go both ways. Switch the roles and the outcome stays the same.
My examples are not absolutes.
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So if I spit in my girlfriend's face then put her in a triangle choke, and she calls the cops and you arrive, you'll arrest her when I'm sobbing and throw myself into your arms, accusing her of hitting me?
Spitting and triangle chokes leave no physical marks...
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Each situation is independent. I have to take in the totality of the circumstances that is presented to me at the time of the call.
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I chose this position for many reasons that go beyond DV laws which are only a small percentage of my overall daily duties. Mainly because I have a career that can support my family and hopefully one day will support a fruitful retirement.
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I would because she left physical visible injury. Pushed, spit, etc are allegations I can't prove because I didn't see it and can't verify the allegation. They may have happened but there is nothing to prove it when I arrive.
Therefore, I have to arrest the one who left physical visible injury.
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That's what you call an affirmative defense and I don't disagree with you. I'm sure people cause self injury and allege the other half did it. Probable Cause (necessary to affect an arrest) is not Beyond a Reasonable Doubt (required for court conviction).
Read up on Primary Agressor. Apparently my example confused you as to what I means.
I think people here are pissed at the cops when they are actually in disagreement with what the laws the courts have put in place that cops have to oblige. Kinda shooting the messanger in a sense.
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I'm serving my community with no regrets and the utmost pride. I don't agree with every law (suprise, no one does) but as a citizen, all must oblige. If you disagree then do something to make a change. Instead of shaming someone who has signed up to protect you and your community. And by all means, apply to be an officer and do good for your community too.
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Either people don't understand the DV laws or things are very different outside out my state. DV laws here are not created to favor females over males. People's assumption that I arrest the guy because the girl is crying and has allegations are either misunderstanding of the investigation process or are flat out wrong.
I know coming to a sub like this with what appears to be a differing opinion will only cause the whole to not like the opinion. I was simply trying to explain the process from an involved parties perspective. Unfortunately, that point fell on deaf years and instead of thoughtful conversation I was crucified by the disgruntled.
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