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[–]L0st1ntlTh3Sauc3 112 points113 points114 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Isn't it ironic that you want equality but preach inequality?
I'm all for ending inequality though.
[–]Kyle_Fischer 45 points46 points47 points 6 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
I was born in 1971, and I can't recall being taught to ignore a woman saying "No." So, if individually, I was not taught to ignore "No," then does that mean I maintain the 'ability' to say no?
And, nersen-me's use of the phrase 'ability to say no' is curious. Does she mean that boys physically cannot say no, or their ability to have women not ignore them saying no is what goes away. Because that would mean that a girl ignores the word no. but, rather than focus on her ignorance, she infers that a boy cannot say the word no.
[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
73 here. I do not recall ever being told it is ok to ignore a "no." I remember repeatedly being told "no means no" and to respect your date's wishes.
[–]CuboidSphere 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It took me a while to realize you meant the year 1973, not that it was your age. I was surprised thinking that people that old would use the Internet to frequent a Men's Rights subreddit. I just hope by the time I'm that old, I won't need to.
[–]duffelbagninja 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
'72. "No means No" was the commonality that I was also taught. What I find humorous is the ones who want to be pursued and then wonder why almost no one does...
[–]mwobuddy 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Its the women that want to pretend to be sluts to get pursued but dont want to put out. They ruin it for women who want to be left alone and women who actually want to get pursued.
[–]duffelbagninja 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
The problem is that if "No means No" then a shit test does not work, because then "No" means "Maybe" and when do "I/You" stop ? Then there is all the mental gymnastics that go on justifying why "I/You" did not or did stop.
[+]DemolishCrawfish1 points 6 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link
You don't need to justify why you stopped. "No." is a complete sentence.
[–]duffelbagninja 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
And the classic next sentence: “ which part of No did you not understand?”
[+]DemolishCrawfish1 points 6 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
It's actually kind of fun having this conversation with a girl who didn't get the "No means No" memo (or thought she was special and it didn't apply to her).
[–]duffelbagninja 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm long gone from the dating pool (happily married 20+ years) so what was the Jeff Dunham joke ? I can run to the end of my chain and bark.
[–]ikol23 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"Honey! Can I just sit in it??" Remember: "Ruff Ruff Squeal"
[–]joedevice 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I feel like it's part of the supposed 'rape culture' we keep hearing about. I too missed the memo about my university freshers rape 101 introduction meeting.
[+]Daddie01 points 6 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
Same here 71, and "No means no." was drilled into me through the 70's and 80's. Was never taught to ignore it either.
[–]dukunt 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
In this day and age NO isnt enough. Now you need an enthusiastic YES! Anything less than that gives to much wiggle room for a woman to change her mind either during the sexual encounter or several months down the road once her Feminist friends show her how all sex is considered rape.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Even that isn't enough considering it's all a he said she said situation at that point and society is on the believe her regardless of facts bandwagon now.
[–]cloverboy77 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Born in the 70's too and can confirm.
Same with all " all men are taught to repress emotions" bullshit. I've literally never encountered a man who has said that was his family experience growing up. Quite the opposite actually. Me and my buddies, while still in high school, would always blast full volume epic rock love ballads of the era from bands like Van Halen (the Hagar years) and the like and not think anything of it. My emotions have always been easily aroused and I've never been bothered very much if someone sees me cry or if I get semtinemental or nostalgic or feel melancholy or pathos. Neither were any of my good friends afraid to talk truthfully about their feelings and we were literally all normal hetero teenage boys. We all played different sports, like to drive super fast blasting music, were obsessed with girls in our school, climbed buildings and radio towers, tried to built shit in the garage, mixed ammonia and bleach in the toilet immediately after our chemistry teacher told us it made WW1 mustard gas (chlorine gas) got into minor mischief, raided the liquor cabinet, etc, and yet not do I recall any sort of shaming regarding showing emotions. Strange that...
[–]Proteus_Marius 28 points29 points30 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Who actually teaches boys or girls to ignore "no"?
[–]JakeDC 21 points22 points23 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Almost nobody. Psychopaths?
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The teachers trying to rape them, or if the child is a boy , 'have sex with them'
Much sarcasm
[–]McFeely_Smackup 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well, someone really is teaching girls that boys "always want it" and only say no if they're gay.
[–][deleted] 28 points29 points30 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
/>thinks something is 'justice'
/>all for ending it
Excuse me what
[–]mwobuddy 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What an underrated post. This is exactly feminism to a T.
[–]v574v 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
That person has taken a strange stance when you consider that out of 100,000 people 1.7 are raped in Canada.
That’s a hell of a lot of rape not happening to Canadians for the argument that boys are taugh to ignore the word ‘no’.
Shit, South Africa is the worst on the UN list and it’s at 132 out of every 100,000 people, still not a lot of raping and they are a bunch of times more likely to partake in it.
[–]ICEKAT 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That's the real rape culture. Teach people that rape is an accepted thing despite all proof. Treat all sexual encounters as assault unless express enthusiastic consent is given before, during, after, and continually, until death. Make everything in courting so treacherous nobody wants to attempt the journey.
[–]ikol23 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If something like this doesn't get fixed soon, my bloodline ends here.
[–]Razorbladekandyfan 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Teach boys to ignore no? Do we teach girls to ignore boys' consent too? Why is it irony?
[–]Lethn 14 points15 points16 points 6 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
There are times when I read shit like this I would love for these scumbags to try and start their phony revolution and try attacking people openly. They're not that stupid though unfortunately, they know they're weak and petty individuals deep down I think which is why most of them are just the very keyboard warriors they accuse everybody else of being. Antifa try to behave like they want to and they get their arses kicked every time when they're up against people who can fight back.
When you see this shit, the important thing is that this is the feminist equivalent of taunting. When they make these kind of accusations and use these kinds of labels it's designed to infuriate people into saying something stupid or make them violent so they can go "Hah! See? Men are all violent" and try to ruin your life with it.
What they don't realise though is these kind of tactics can cut both ways just as easily and they're far more emotionally unstable than anyone else, use it to your advantage.
[–]KR_Blade 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
antifa is already standing on a very slippery slope when they openly attack people, its only a matter of time before they mess with someone who isnt gonna back down and that unlucky antifa member will end up dead by getting shot or viciously beaten to death.
[–]Lethn 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Well that already happened, one person at Milo's event got shot in the stomach and according to Milo they've got footage of the guy walking around with knuckle dusters looking to smack people. I found it interesting that the media went quiet about that guy after the initial manufactured outrage trying to paint him as the victim, this must be why.
I think you'll be seeing a lot more fightback generally though, with people who will come to these rallies fully prepared to defend themselves if they see antifa about.
[–]KR_Blade 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
i know one video surfaced recently, an antifa member tried to pepper spray someone unprovoked and got their ass kicked.
[–]Lethn 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh yeah that was the proud boys wasn't it?
[–]PeonSupreme 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If there is even the slightest chance that there is a male in her life that she actually cares about, then see how she feels when karma happens to him.
I know, I know. She’ll probably find some rationalization that enables her to continue being a hypocrite, and her rationalization will become enshrined into the feminist dogmatic canon.
[–]McFeely_Smackup 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The ironic thing is "teach boys to ignore no" is a complete strawman, nobody is teaching boys anything of the sort...yet girls really are raised to believe that boys always want it, if they say 'no' then they're gay, and that any boy is supposed to be grateful if any woman wants to have sex with them.
It's ironic because her/she is completely wrong about who is taught what.
[–]torconics 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As a man who was raped as a 10 year old, I can only agree my incapability to say “no” was a result of the ever-oppressive patriarchy
[–]TutelarSword 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Who the fuck teaches men to ignore "no"? I have never once in my life been given serious advice from someone that I actually trust to ignore it when people say no. So tell me, how it is ironic and/or karma that I was raped back in high school? Do people like this just not read what they say before typing it up, or what?
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Who the fuck teaches men to ignore "no"
What she means is "failure to teach men to read women's mind and understand that yes doesn't mean yes unless its 'enthusiastic.'"
[–]thrway_1000 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Feminists are in general bad people, and they love to prove it.
[–]HeForeverBleeds 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
No one teaches boys to ignore "no". If anything, it's the other way around as people are taught "guys are always willing" and girls are told "guys are always trying to get into your pants" and boys are taught that there's something wrong with him for turning down sex
Even in a universe where boys were taught to ignore "no"s, it wouldn't be justice for any random man to be raped
But since instead it's a universe where the only kind of rape that is generally ignored is rape against men, people ignoring a man's consent or lack thereof isn't irony at all; it's a continuation of the status quo
[–]KingRobotPrince 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
So if I was raped it would be good because some other man raped a woman once? Gee thanks. I'm totally sold on feminism and empowering women.
[–]jeff_the_nurse 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
His comment doesn’t even make sense...what the...?
[–]TheNextMilo 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Try.
[–]blueoak9 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Martha Nussbaum, the feminist philosopher who worked on defining objectification, called this kind of conflation of individuals "fungibility" and identified it as a form of objectification.
nersen-me is an objectifying sexist pig.
[–]Lupinfujiko 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What this shows, is a fault in our education system.
That someone can say something as blatantly ignorant as that is mindboggling.
That this person is "educated" is a systematic failure.
[–]VerumFalsum 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yep that was the first lesson in kindergarten, when a girl says no that means yes. It definitely wasn’t that we should never hit a girl, always respect girls, and girls first. From a young age a lot of us were raised to respect women.
[–]youpeopleare2stupid 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
From a young age a lot of us were raised to respect women.
You mean put them above you.
Here’s to hoping she gets raped. Sort of poetic justice in my eyes.
[–]FlatTire2005 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That’s not karma. Karma would be nersen-me getting raped. But I’m not saying nersen-me rape is good.
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[–]L0st1ntlTh3Sauc3 112 points113 points114 points (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]Kyle_Fischer 45 points46 points47 points (16 children) | Copy Link
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[+]DemolishCrawfish1 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link
You don't need to justify why you stopped.
"No." is a complete sentence.
[–]duffelbagninja 1 point2 points3 points (3 children) | Copy Link
[+]DemolishCrawfish1 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
It's actually kind of fun having this conversation with a girl who didn't get the "No means No" memo (or thought she was special and it didn't apply to her).
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[+]Daddie01 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
Same here 71, and "No means no." was drilled into me through the 70's and 80's. Was never taught to ignore it either.
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