To the anti-feminist voices in the media: We are not what you fear | Australian feminism is being criticised for its biased approach to DV and is losing political power/influence. This feminist gets very defensive in response.

lostapwbm · 2019-08-15T16:50:27+00:00

The reality is that, whilst 95% of all victims of violence (women or men) experience that violence from a male perpetrator (Australian Bureau of Statistics, Personal Safety Survey), feminists aren’t out to “bash” men.

And I'm going to keep fucking repeating this because feminists are out to bash men and are particularly dishonest about it:

What percentage of the general population of men do these male perpetrators constitute? 90% of all men? 50% of all men? 25% of all men? 1% of all men? 0.0001% of all men?

Here in Freedomland, according to FBI estimates, we had approximately 300,000 demonstrably male perpetrators of violent crime in 2017. That's less than one-fifth of one percent of the male population.

And this how feminists have learned to lie: it is a red herring, it is a fallacy of composition, it may be factual, but it's not relevant to the problem of crime and criminality because male criminals are a degenerate minority of men in general, and therefore the behavior of a minority of men can be attributed to men as a class.

Feminists don’t want to “bash” men. We want to support men to be their whole selves...

How do you know what my 'whole self' is? Seriously, what is the basis of your knowledge that allows you to make this statement?

How do you claim to know my mind and my interests better than I do?

...just as we do for women and girls and non-binary people.

Again, what basis do you have to claim to know someone else's interests better than they do?

Feminists need to be stopped when they make these claims of well-intentioned tyranny, that they should be able to dictate to your life and your thought processes because they just know so much better than you.

We want them to be free to express their full range of emotions without fear of being ridiculed.

Free from what? Other people's opinions? Your feelings are so supreme that it confers on you the right to control how other people think?

Narcissism? What narcissism?

We want them to have deep, intimate, emotional connections with the people they love; to be able to enjoy relationships of equal power without being the subject of mockery.

I have the right to mock anyone I want, just like people have the right to mock me while I continue to blissfully not give a shit about their mockery, because unless you are actually someone who I want to be thought well of, whose goodwill and regard I value, then your opinion doesn't matter.

The ability to righteously not give a fuck protects you from people who want to manipulate you into acting in ways that benefit them.

Feminism is not something to be afraid of. Yes, we’re ferocious.

But we want everyone to thrive.

What you 'want' is irrelevant compared to what you 'do.' And that's the objection people have to feminism.

Never allow feminists to do the sleight-of-hand where they replace their supposed intentions (we just want what's best for everybody) for their actions (sit in a propaganda session and sign a confession where you admit fault for the oppression of all women everywhere).

fengpi · 2019-08-15T22:29:47+00:00

We want them to be free to express their full range of emotions without fear of being ridiculed.

LIAR.

Go drink out of your fuckin' MALE TEARS mug.

thrway_1000 · 2019-08-16T02:22:25+00:00

Feminism is a hate movement. A modern day KKK. It's just a socially accepted one.

MagicTire · 2019-08-16T05:48:35+00:00

The men’s behaviour change programs that we in the sector have been promoting in place of interventions like couples counselling do just this. They provide a genuine opportunity for men to reflect upon their lives and how their values, thoughts and actions are impacting upon their relationships and the people they love.

At a deeper level, they provide an opportunity for men to consider a different way to be in the world, and so many men who engage with these programs report profound changes to their own feelings of self-worth as men and better communication and deeper relationships with those that they love as a result.

"Instead of couples counseling, which infer that it's possible that the woman might actually be at fault, we believe that only men are the wrongdoers; therefore these 'behavior change programs' are only necessary for men."

2019-08-16T23:07:25+00:00

Feminists don't want to "bash" men. We want to support men to be their whole selves just as we do for women and girls.

Two lies in one sentence.

Firstly, they only want HALF of what we men offer. The minute topics like domestic violence are broached that don't echo feminist talking points, feminists become defensive and shame them into bottling their feelings right back up again. Or mock those feelings as "Male Tears".

Secondly, they don't support women and girls one bit. They galvanize them into dodging responsibility and encourage society to shield them. Why else are they not attacking terms like "Grrl Power" and speaking out when women hide behind "Female Empowerment" to excuse their actions? Where were they when men tried sharing their #Metoo stories only to face extreme backlash? Yeah, Terry Crews yet look what happened to him when he dared to suggest father figures are equally important for boys and girls. They ATE HIM ALIVE!

If they were truly about equality, they'd start teaching women to stop thinking their lashing out at innocent men is no different when genders are reversed. Treat women like adults instead of helpless children.

Since they're not, well, we all know what their true agenda is.