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[–]sup3r_hero 28 points29 points30 points 6 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link
Why is the rate of female vets so low compared to male vets? Are women less likely to experience combat?
[–]problematic_coagulum 27 points28 points29 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The factors that increase suicide for non-military males still apply to male vets.
[–]lolApexseals 31 points32 points33 points 6 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link
Most women go for desk jobs, staying inside the wire and rarely if ever go for anything remote to combat roles or missions.
Not to mention many women get knocked up just to get discharged before deployments.
[–]the_unseen_one 15 points16 points17 points 6 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
Getting pregnant to avoid your military obligations should be considered AWOL and punished accordingly. It's amazing that it is so readily accepted by the military.
[–]yvaN_ehT_nioJ[🍰] 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
deleted What is this?
[–]the_unseen_one 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Every time I have brought this up, I have been mercilessly been accused of trying to infringe on women's "human rights", despite the fact that is the whole mode of operation for the military. It should be mandatory to get IUDs in the military, and getting knocked up before a deployment, accidental or intentional, should be considered going AWOL.
Instead, we have the complete mockery of fairness and military doctrine that we have now.
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[–]djc_tech 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Former military here, they can't. The military can't stop you from getting pregnant and starting a family. That's the way it is
[–]the_unseen_one 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
What do you mean "they can't". You have no rights in the military, they can do whatever they want.
[–]djc_tech 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Not really. That's not how it works.
[–]the_unseen_one 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You have no right to freedom, safety, or even life if they so decide it, yet somehow women get a pass because of their wombs? No way.
[–]djc_tech 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
People get a pass if they're injured too before they deploy. There's lots of other issues to complain about, women getting pregnant and not being able to deploy isn't one of them. They're ok medical profile at that point
[–]dfsw 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Its hard to prove.
[–]the_unseen_one 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
What's hard to prove about a woman getting pregnant after being called up for deployment? I'd be mad impressed if she hides a fetus.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
What if it was unintentional? How do you prove it was deliberate?
[–]the_unseen_one 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Lol, you're implying rights matter in the military. You break the rules, you are punished. Such is the case for men, and such should be the case for women. Rights have zero bearing there, which is someone women need to learn.
A better solution would be to force all female recruits to get IUDs. No "rights" violations, and no pregnancies. I'd bet money the only reason that isn't already standard is due to fear of backlash from feminists.
[–]djc_tech 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
There is no rule about getting pregnant. Sorry, that's the way it is. You have basic rights and they can't tell you not to have sex, especially if you're married.
I know there isn't a rule. I said there should be a rule, in addition to mandatory IUD implantation.
You have basic rights
You have obligations first. Your rights in the military stop mattering if it gets in the way of your obligation to them; if they didn't then a man couldn't be punished for going AWOL.
Yes, but starting a family isn't against the UCMJ, going AWOL is.
[–]TracyMorganFreeman 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Birth control is free for them I believe.
It's more they have no excuse, and it's negligent.
[–]dare2beeevil -4 points-3 points-2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I doubt women "choose" to sit behind a desk in the military. Just like they don't choose to hold the slow down sign at most construction sites. I think the military assumes they cant do much else, and they end up behind a desk. I say a gun in every hand, no matter the sex. Dieing is dieing, and PTSD is PTSD.
[–]ThelemaAndLouise 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
no, studies show they can't do much else. someone has to carry shit and someone has to hold a sign, so they put the guy that weighs 200lbs and has greater bone and tissue density on the heavy lifting.
women on the military literally can't carry the weight, so men carry it for them.
[–]lolApexseals 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No, in most or all branches in the u.s. military you get at least some choice in what you do. In the army you choose specifically what job you do based on a list of what's available to you.
So yes, women in general, choose less combat related positions .
[–]ionstorm20 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fun word fact: If you are dieing something, you are cutting or stamping it with a die, which is a device used for cutting, forming, or engraving metals. It is a process used in machining, and your local town may even have a “tool and die shop,” which would make extensive use of the process.
If you are referring to death, the verb you have in mind is most likely dying.
So in your above example, I would agree. Everyone can get PTSD and everyone with the proper training can engrave.
[–]MikeyMike01 27 points28 points29 points 6 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link
The treatment of our veterans is horrible. They should have everything they need taken care of. If that's too expensive, stop sending them.
[–]TheRavenousRabbit 11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
The funny thing is, if they just cut 0.001% of the military budget, they would be able to afford permanent housing, treatment and re-integration services for all veterans in the united states. Honestly, it is baffling that they can't spare that amount of money. It is a tiny fraction of their budget - it just shows how utterly monstrous these people are. I'm not kidding, they are monsters. No human would lack such empathy and I mean it, these people should be put to death.
[–]scsimodem 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Cut production of the C-130 (a plane we have too many of, but that is made in an influential congressional district) and end the F-35 program (an over-engineered monstrosity that sucks at everything and nobody wants), and that would cover it by a couple orders of magnitude. It's all politics, and suicidal veterans don't cost anybody votes.
[–]Imnotmrabut 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So should that me a Military Firing Squad or a Civilian One?
[–]TracyMorganFreeman 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I highlu doubt 6 million dollars would be enough.
[–]the_unseen_one 14 points15 points16 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You write that as if the government gives a fuck about men after they've extracted their resources from them. These men already served their country, so the country no longer values them. Unless the female veteran numbers matched the male veteran issue levels, you'll never see any change. And even if it did reach that level, it would all probably be in favor of women, not men.
So basically exactly what we have seen with domestic violence, cancer, domestic and child abuse, etc.
[–]dare2beeevil 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree with you completely. A lot of people that join come from the poorest class, looking for a way out or an education. The government couldn't give half a F about the veterans, when they don't give a crap about who they choose to defend the country. FTW
[–]William__F0ster 14 points15 points16 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
A possibly interesting and related point is that amongst men who murder their wives/girlfriends, there's a noticeable number of them that have been or still are in military or the police.
[–]TheSandMan011 16 points17 points18 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
PTSD sucks. Doesn't excuse the actions of those who beat their significant other, but it can help to explain all these phenomenon
[–]William__F0ster 14 points15 points16 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think it is far more likely explanation than anything proposed in the Duluth model.
[–]mrwhibbley 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Identifying a cause is the first step.
[–]gabriot 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Correlation is not always causation. It could just as easily be the type of person that typically would beat/murder their wives/gfs is more easily drawn to a career where they can be violent. Note that I'm not saying people that choose those career are violent, but rather people that are violent would disproportionately sign up to be a soldier/cop in comparison to the rest.
[–]Singulaire 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Poverty correlates with both domestic violence and military enlistment, which is another factor to consider.
Minorities are overrepresented in the military, but underrepresented in suicide though.
[–]William__F0ster 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Correlation is not always causation.
Indeed.
Only all I did was make an observation that in addition to high suicide rates among veterans, there is also a noticeable presence among men who kill their partners of those who have been in the military or the police. I made no claims of causation.
[–]UDT22 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Men do combat, women do not
[–]djc_tech 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sometimes they're are, motor conveys are attacked, medics see causalities, they treat wounded military personnel, they're in places like Kabul or Iraq and can't walk around base without an escort (the locals that work on base rape them, it happens more than you think), they serve as helicopter and airplane pilots, flight surgeons and medical staff.
You don't have to be on the front lines to experience PTSD. Seeing the death and destruction can do it as well.
[–]Hannyu 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
For some reason the fact of civilian males being higher than even veteran females is sticking out to me. I feel like there's a factor there that I'm missing, about why the disparity is still so high.
[–]TracyMorganFreeman 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
They're not just higher female vets; they're higher female vets and civs combined.
[–]Hannyu 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wow you're right. It's not much of a difference but still male civ is higher. It really puts the male suicide problem into perspective on just how bad it is
This is a real issue, and like me, it sometimes doesn't hit until years later. The military can mess you up mentally, and I have a groups of friends that includes myself that all suffer from mental issues brought about from our time in the military. We deal with it best we can, some are better at it than others.
If you're like me and you have these issues on top of an abusive childhood, it can really mess with you.
Combining the female vet and civs still leads to a lower rate than male civs too.
[–]This_is_my_phone_tho 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I've seen a lot of people say male vets often resort to suicide after being cheated on. I specifically remember one case where his wife sent him a deer john video of her suckingsome other guy's dick.
I remember reading someone who dealt with mental health on site saying in frustration that "if they would keep their fucking legs shut my job would be easier."
I wonder if it's similar for the women? I know the army has very.. explicitly misandric(?) policies so that probably doesn't help either.
[+]qemist -6 points-5 points-4 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
So don't join the military. Doesn't seem to be a MR issue. (Note military service increases the female rate more than it does the male. The effect is probably largely due to ex-service people being more familiar with firearms).
[–]TracyMorganFreeman 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
And what about those conscripted?
[–]qemist 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Head for the border! (Not the US has conscripted anyone in over 40 years, AFAIK).
The "you can go to prison or join the military" group might beg to differ.
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