Well, it's official, you can now have your sex act filmed, have witnesses, sign a legal contract stating you consent both before and after filming and STILL be believed if you cry rape

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To your standards.

Filming you consenting, you signing more than one contract stating you will and have consented (as is industry and legal standard), multiple witnesses against your claim and you then later having sex with your "rapist" again is a standard of proof that anyone would have.

By your ridiculous standard a man literally cannot disprove a rape claim against them.

blah blah blah but what if a prostitute says one thing and then is forced to do another

Let me stop your desperate fucking strawman right there (and no, i'm not strawmanning your argument, i'm mocking its simplicity and deliberate ignorance).

You are basing your entire claim on the assumption she was raped and therefore her rape claim is true. That's not how this works.

She consented. All evidence shows she consented. She's then turned around and said "oh, that one part I didn't consent to" and you're claiming it was rape because of her word alone, despite the fact objective evidence, a contractual statement and multiple witnesses refute that claim. Which wouldn't matter anyway, as it would still be her word alone.

"B-but she said she didn't consent to..."

Is really not going to work. By your absurd logic she could also claim she didn't consent to vaginal sex. And of course it would be "rape" because "she didn't consent".

In your ridiculous strawman scenario, the prostitute is claiming they didn't consent to anal sex and only to vaginal sex. While the video footage, the consent contracts and the witnesses all say she consented to both.

Yet according to you her word alone proves that she didn't consent?

No, sorry, your feminist talking points aren't going to fly here.

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So you are saying you can agree to have vaginal sex, then your can be forcibly fucked in the ass

Still going with this strawman, you sad little feminist?

Strange how you continue to spout off that fallacy even after it's repeatedly addressed.

MRA'S PROVING FEMINIST RAPE CULTURE RIGHT

Oh boy, i'm sure that's totally going to give you an argument. MRA's point out that her rape allegations are completely unbacked by any remote evidence, in fact being refuted because of witnesses, video and contractual evidence, and this apparently is rape culture because we don't believe a rape claim without evidence and point out that apparently according to feminists like you a man can literally never disprove a false rape claim.

Yes, how, uh, terrible for MRA's.

She has said there were multiple witnesses

Oh, this a new tactic? The evidence refutes her claims, so now you're just going to lie and say "oh but it actuall PROVES her claims"?

Those witnesses, by her own words, were "high fiving" she was raped. Sorry, it appears those witnesses aren't back her claim, they were the film crew and they saw she wasn't raped.

This is not proof

Oh yes, I know Mattress Girl routinely tried to hook back up with her "rapist" after the fact and you feminists also screamed "that doesn't prove she wasn't raped".

It, however, is far more evidence than her word alone. But that's not proof, it's just a cherry on top of the whopping amount of actual evidence (the contracts, the witnesses, the film itself) refuting her claim, as it shows how absurd her current "traumatized" story issue as to why she's "mysteriously" only coming out now.

All your points are logically fallacious

Sorry, it's a bit late after your repeated strawmen and absurd fallacies to be attempting the "uh, no YOU'RE the fallacies!".

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Im not a feminist.

No, no, you just continue to spout of the same ridiculous feminist talking points while raging against MRA's...on an MRA sub.

Definitely can't be a feminist. No siree.

It's simple logic

That men cannot disprove rape claims against them even with video footage, witnesses and consent contracts?

No, that's illogic.

Someone can agree to have sex and still be raped

Ah, you really can't come up with any argument at this point other than a strawman no-one has brought up but yourself.

For example

For example, you consent to vaginal and anal sex. You sign a contract for the job, you go in, have vagina and anal sex, you're filmed the entire time and don't revoke or deny consent at any point, multiple witnesses see this and then you sign the consent form saying you weren't forced into anything during filming and are paid.

You even sleep with the same actor again at a later point completely voluntarily.

You then cry that you were raped. Because you didn't consent to anal.

All that evidence disproves your claim. Your actions after draw your claim into serious skepticsm. Had none of this refuted your claim, you would still have absolutely no evidence to back up your claim.

And then a lowly ~~feminist~~ totally legit not-feminist user called ee4m comes in after you begin crying rape, sees a thread explicitly pointing out that all available legal and possible standards can be met for you to prove you never raped anyone and you still won't be believed and decides to shitpost feminist talking points in it while ranting over and over again about irrelevant strawmen.

no way you can logically argue

Sorry, seems your absurd strawman is still not giving you an argument.

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Obviously, if someone agrees to sex, and then the person starts doing things against their will

And immediately you just show why the title is correct.

You're automatically presenting what she is saying is true because of her word alone.

While in order to film a porno they need consent forms, witnesses and the film itself showing her not once revoking or denying consent.

Her word...against objective evidence. Not including her having sex with James Deen again after this alleged rape.

Apparently a consent contract, witnesses and filming it isn't enough to disprove a rape claim. Making it, by default, impossible to disprove a rape claim.

I'm saying you might be one of the guys that actually needs one of these consent classes

Hahahahahahahahha, oh shit. I mean just wow. Sorry, that hilariously pathetic feminist fallacy isn't really going to work in /r/MensRights.

Apparently it's SJW's like you who need to take a class on consent if you think regretting sex after the fact is rape or that a claim of rape is somehow proof of that claim.

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As if someone cannot be raped on a porn set

Now you're just entirely relying on strawmen fallacies, eh?

Sorry, that idiocy still isn't going to fly. As i've not once said anything remotely of the sort.

Perhaps you'll start screaming "misogyny" next too, hmm? That will hold about as much weight as that hilariously pathetic claim that i've once even remotely said you can't be raped on a porn set.

total fallacy

Cute, especially when your entire argument is fallacies at this point.

You can agree to have sex with someone

That's great. You can also revoke consent.

What you can't do is claim rape and then demand people believe you after your claims are refuted by evidence. As video footage, witnesses, consent contracts and then voluntarily sleeping with your "rapist" against later tends to do.

That you continue to push this "omg you're saying people can't be raped" deliberate idiocy even after you've been so thoroughly shut down is proving exactly my point.

There is no evidence to back up the claim

Yet here you are defending it over factual evidence refuting her.

Just multiple people

Ah, the last resort of a feminist and you're mysteriously doubling down on it.

No, sorry, "multiple stories" don't lend credence to anything when all stories have absolutely no evidence whatsoever and the very story you're desperately trying to defend with that fallacy has been refuted.

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but none of these women are talking about consent being revoked.

That's nice.

Problem is that it's according to their own words. Despite the fact they signed contracts stating they consented, had video footage showing they did not revoke or deny that consent and multiple witnesses.

The girl in question then slept with her "rapist" later.

Your continued desperate attempts to pretend that their word somehow defies actual evidence is precisely the point of this thread.

don't contract for anal

And there we go again. So far the only one claiming this is her and it's refuted by actual evidence.

Yet here you are spouting off about around the thread about how "MRA's prove feminists right about rape culture" and other such nonsense while pathetically trying to defend her.

You've come to the wrong sub if you think "listen and believe" is going to fly, little feminist. Let alone your continued denial that a man can ever disprove a rape claim against him.

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Well, let's see, there's a video of him ramming his cock in her ass

A video with multiple witnesses, she doesn't denying consent and she signed contracts stating she consented as required by law showing anal...is proof that she was raped?

So, again, you have no evidence for your claim other than her claim?

Because a video showing consent that is by all definitions overwhelming proof she consented, by both law and by basic logical standards, is now evidence proving rape?

So, by your logic, she could also claim that vaginal sex was rape as well and you would believe her? Which is the entire point of this thread?

her certifying that

So...you have no evidence outside of her claim?

Again, a rape claim is NOT proof of that claim.

Provide evidence of your claim he raped her or stop lying.

It's not "he said she said"

No, it's he said, the video showed, her contract shows, the witnesses confirm that what she said is false.

Even without that it's still he said, she said as all she's done is claim something that happened on film was rape.

That holds just as much proof as had she claimed the vaginal sex in that film would be rape because she "didn't consent to that".

there's video of him ramming his cock into her ass.

At this point you're just clearly deliberately shitposting.

The video showed she was fucked in the ass.

This is no more proof that she was raped than had she claimed she didn't give consent to be fucked in her vagina.

Especially when there are legal safeguards that show she consented, as the entire porn industry does.

That the ONLY thing you continue to try to back your claim up with is that she made the claim and therefore it's true is showing exactly my point.

By your absurd logic if she said she denied consent to he fucked in the vagina then "hurr the video showing she was fucked in the vagina is proof of her claim".

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You're saying

You made the claim he raped her. When asked for evidence you then went on to rant that the video showing she had anal sex is somehow magically proof of her claim she didn't consent to anal sex.

Which is still you desperately attempting to play off her claim as proof of her claim.

And now you're trying this tactic.

Again, provide evidence of your claim.

she consented to being fucked in the ass,

The video, multiple witnesses and her contract as required by law for that video to be legally filmed disprove her claim.

The burden of proof is on you who has made and defended her claim of rape to provide evidence that she WAS raped.

It's not my job to defend against her baseless claim when the law and her own statements of witnesses in the article alone are refuting you.

So, again, stop pathetically and fallaciously trying to dismiss your burden of proof on your claim and provide evidence for your rape claim.

And despite your repeated attempt to use it, her claiming she was raped is NOT proof of her claim.

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