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[–]bikemaul 176 points177 points178 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A general strike would be something alright.
[–][deleted] 232 points233 points234 points 4 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link
Most guys can't even get laid so idk what this will accomplish
[–]Steelman_ 83 points84 points85 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
An excuse for us who can’t get laid
[+][deleted] -39 points-38 points-37 points 4 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link
Lmao well I guess whatever works man abit of advice tho girls like 2 kinds of guys pussies they can manipulate or tough guys that can protect them and if you're one of these individuals who can't get laid well you gotta make a choice to either buy a leather jacket and a motorcycle or wear a My Little pony shirt as a signal to all women that you're up for grabs to be walked on.
Personally every women I've been with tried to be the controlling type but when they realized it wasn't gonna work and I didn't give 2 shits about the words that came out of their mouth they did 1 of 2 things
Run away and block me out of their life.
Fuck me.
But this is based off my own experiences and don't know you so I guess with time you will find the choice for you man good luck.
Edit: looks like I triggered an incel or 2 :/ this is actual advice but hey just remember we are all on the same side! Chads and virgins must unite 😂
[–]icheah 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
r/ihavesex
[–]JohnPerera[S] 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
If they chose the 2, then they can either metoo after a decade.
[+][deleted] -10 points-9 points-8 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That's true but luckily I'm a nobody and not a celebrity with money 😂
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Ah, the old "My wallet is empty, you can fucking have it" defense. It is a classic, and effective.
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Your username says your an idiot but you sir knight are a genius! 😂
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
LOL are you trying to help him or hinder him? That is the dumbest advice I've ever seen.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Shhh don't tell him that!!!
[–]thathighclassbitch 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Girls also like guys who use proper punctuation.
[–]DJ-Roukan 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ok, that was good.
[–]DJ-Roukan 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not at all the "types" women go for. They are facades, like a Jedi mind trick, viable only against the week of mind and will.
There are two words that might define the allure of women to men. Those would more be, strength and humility, or power and empathy, even toughness and tenderness...not a bloviating butt-head with internet muscles.
The "bad boy" is simply the empty facade, the partial aspects of the strong male. They are attracted to his confidence and toughness, but he lacks humility, grace...and often a brain.
Nice guy reflects the opposite end of that spectrum, devoid of the strength, but safe and able to love someone other than himself, but he has no depth, no strength, no confidence, no endurance for the long haul.
Neither is complete, neither is what they profess to be....just a half baked example that is easily memed.
[–]Devidose 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Seems like a perfect use for this meme template
My attempt.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
LMAO you aren't wrong holy shit that actually made me laugh thank you
[–]SiliconeGiant24 points 4 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
Exactly, the result would be nobody cares. There's no striking because there will always be more chumps that would be happy to get laid.
Of course the idea of a female sex strike is pretty dumb in the first place. First of all most women who would claim to go along with it, probably just have sex anyway so as not to actually cause trouble in their relationship based on some outside ideological political statement.
And the ones who do actually strike, are upping the chances of their man catching some side by at least 50%. I'd be pissed if my gf bought into that nonsense and took it out on me.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah exactly plus it a accomplishes NOTHING we have actually strikes for a reason and they don't even get shit done for years sometimes 😂
[–]keystothemoon 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I don't know about most guys not being able to get laid. Most adults are sexually active meaning most guys are getting laid.
[–]Strange_Bedfellow 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Recent numbers suggest about 30% of guys 18-27 aren't getting laid
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Tell that to all the incels out there man 😂 I'm not one but there are thousands broski
[–]antilopes 100 points101 points102 points 4 years ago* (30 children) | Copy Link
I went on a sex strike sort of without noticing, I was just doing an extended sulk because my feelings were hurt about something.
It went badly. My partner felt rejected so she stopped initiating, and hurt so she stopped being so receptive. No boning was accomplished for quite some time because we both got depressed and scratchy. Eventually I worked out what had happened, we talked about it but it still took a while to come right. So I really don't recommend a sex strike, guys.
Now I notice if I'm sulking and treat it as a danger sign.
[–]jonnytechno 63 points64 points65 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, women don't react well when you deny them sex, I was gobsmacked the first time it happened to me, all I said was "I'm not in the mood" when she was initiating & the backlash it unleashed was shocking.... Until I mentioned something along the lines of "is shouting at me to get sex rape" & the noise stopped
[–]ShelSilverstain 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
https://allthatsinteresting.com/american-men-rape-victims
[–]Wsing1974 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
In my opinion, this is because women (in general) often take criticism and rejection more personally than men do. This isn't restricted to their romantic relationships. You'll see it in platonic and professional relationships as well.
[–]tenchineuro 32 points33 points34 points 4 years ago (26 children) | Copy Link
My partner felt rejected so she stopped initiating
She stopped initiating?
[–]BlueZir30 points 4 years ago [recovered] (24 children) | Copy Link
She stopped initiating.
[–]tenchineuro 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link
That assumes that she had done so in the past, which is rather unusual on the whole.
[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
I used to but he usually says get the fuck off me I'm tired so I dont anymore. I can practically hear the fizzle...
[–]tenchineuro 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
In my experience, women get horny only in a certain part of their cycle, but that still rarely results in them initiating sex.
According to many recent posts, women don't handle rejection well, so saying no can lead to her getting violent, using weapons or kicking the man out. Apparently women are entitled to sex if they want it.
[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
He's my boyfriend we live together I respect his wishes when he says no. I never tell him no, so it does hurt my feelings, but I wouldnt stab him
[–]tenchineuro 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
He's my boyfriend we live together I respect his wishes when he says no.
There was a post a bit ago about a live-in boyfriend who said no to sex a few times and she kicked him out.
I never tell him no, so it does hurt my feelings, but I wouldnt stab him
That's great to hear, but unfortunately, it does happen.
BTW, a lot of married women do say 'no', a lot, most of the time or even all of the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVpV1u6iSvM
EDIT: Hell, there are so many videos about sexless marriages, here's the youtube search.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=sexless+marriage
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Part of the reason I dont believe in marriage or ruining my vagina with children. Isnt it possible she had some other motive for kicking him out, as a women unsure of her current relationship I can promise that if I do leave and he asks for a reason he probably wont get the full story and il say something like you never want to do anything except shop and watch tv. Its not the only reason but I dont wanna write the guy an essay detailing all of his flaws.
[–]tenchineuro 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Part of the reason I dont believe in marriage or ruining my vagina with children.
Now that's a strong fashion statement.
Isnt it possible she had some other motive for kicking him out,
Not from the posted details of the encounter, the third time he said 'no' she kicked him out.
Is this more of the men are always in the wrong bullshit, cause it rather sounds like it.
as a women unsure of her current relationship I can promise that if I do leave and he asks for a reason he probably wont get the full story
Unfortunately, your BFF will probably know all the personal details. In my experience women generally have boundary issues here are tell their women friends personal things about their husbands/bf's that would lead to a divorce/breakup if they found that the man told his friends.
Its not the only reason but I dont wanna write the guy an essay detailing all of his flaws.
What do you mean by 'flaws'? Things you don't like or that he does not do for you what you expect?
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[–]justthetipbro22 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ohh you’re a women, makes so much more sense now. Someone must not have had a good relationship with daddy
[–]ThatDamnedRedneck 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Believe it or not, there are women out there who actively enjoy sex.
[–]tenchineuro 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Indeed there are, but this does not appear to be the average woman, nor does that make the man safe from a false rape accusation. In near every false rape case detailed here recently, the woman gave every indication of enjoying the encounter, then for some reason accused him of rape later.
[–]TheAmateurWizard 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Is not rather unusual dude, women initiate all the time. They might do it less than men but it still happens often. A lot of times it's subtle, so a lot of guys miss the signs, but that's because those women haven't learned to be up front yet.
[–]tenchineuro 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
A lot of times it's subtle, so a lot of guys miss the signs, but that's because those women haven't learned to be up front yet.
And if they read the signs wrong they are creepy and can be fired, accused of rape or stalking.
And I disagree, there is a difference between what men typically do (asking) and what women typically do (announcing their availability so the man can pursue). It's not the same thing at all, if women did the asking then it would not be a matter of reading signs so subtle that Tonto would miss them.
In a thread long ago a woman had complained that men did not understand things as obvious as throwing bricks, I think this says a lot about communication between the sexes, even though she thought it was obvious, the men don't get it, and she blames them. A lot like you seem to be doing.
[–]BlueZir1 points 4 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link
I'm really not sure it is..
In most modern relationships either partner is just as likely to initiate sex. This isn't the 1900's, women don't normally wait patiently and quietly for the man to want sex.
[–]havesomeagency 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's not true, men initiate sex much more often than women. It might not be the 1900s but the sexes are different and they act different.
[–]tenchineuro 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
In most modern relationships either partner is just as likely to initiate sex.
So you say.
This isn't the 1900's, women don't normally wait patiently and quietly for the man to want sex.
Very little has changed in the dating scene, men are expected to pay even when the women make a lot more. The big difference is that it's a lot more dangerous for men. Today everything is rape and we have #metoo on top of that. I'd say that men were a lot safer in the 1900s generally, but otherwise things have not changed much.
[–]JohnPerera[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I read lots of your comments and you throws a lot red pills here and there, I appreciate it.. You should see around the MGTOW sub too :)
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Do you have any evidence to support this?
[–]killer3james-2 points 4 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
Maybe she is a trans he
[–]tenchineuro 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Apparently one of the problems with lesbian couples is that since women don't normally initiate sex, then not much happens. I've been told that there is a name for this, the 'death bed', although there is so much noise in the google (Kevorkian comes up a lot) that I could not confirm it.
[–]antilopes 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
I'd hate being in the role of obligatory leader so I attract women who enjoy being independent, and we swap leadership around depending who cares most or believes they are most competent.
I do shit-tests early on to ensure they don't have a hangup about being led by a man though. That is necessary because I attract feministy types, and it is a total pain in the ass if they have a hangup about being dominated by a man. Once that is established I'm often happy to be led. My wife and last GF were natural managers and I'm not so that worked fine.
Sexually that sort of woman tends to be confident about initiating. That suits me since my sexuality is quite reactive, closer to the female stereotype than the male one in that way. We'd usually share initiation duties though, I think that is pretty common.
[–]NecroHexr 85 points86 points87 points 4 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link
I genuinely wish fellow males were not so horned up. It's fighting biology but it sucks to see them go for poon desperately, and then it bites them in the ass.
[–][deleted] 47 points48 points49 points 4 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
Or when they get burned by a relationship and then swear off women but then spend all their time on the internet talking about how they've sworn off women. Even after they remove them from their lives they are still consumed by them.
[–]jonnytechno 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Isn't that just human nature though, to remember trauma to better deal with it later, isn't that probably the reason forgiveness plays such a role in the Christian & other religions
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ive had several bad relationships with men. I dont blame all of mankind for it, I accept responsibility for my poor decision making and move on.
[–][deleted] 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Women can be vicious, luckily you got gay bros like myself that are happy to offer a shoulder to cry on. ;)
Come on, let's go to the gym, buddy.
[–]ShittyDirtySanchez 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Is this a plot to a gay porn?
It can be if you bring a camera.
[–]DJDickJob 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Due to the obligations implied by my username, I will gladly offer my services free of charge in directing and producing this film.
Dad always says "A man might kick your ass, but a woman will kill your soul."
[–]chinawinsworlds 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I wish I was gay.
Women. Can’t live with or without them
[–]SpaceSound8 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
This is a really silly statement that I see pop up every now and then on subreddits similar to this one. I’m not even sure why this got upvoted. Are you suggesting that men who’ve been burned by the system not inform other men on how bad it truly is?
[+][deleted] -6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Or maybe your experience is just that your experience and not a universal truth. Maybe you should teach young men how to choose quality women over whatever thot you knocked up because she was hot.
[–]SpaceSound8 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Perhaps so. Or perhaps there lies a deeper when it comes to men and modern day relationships. You insinuating that the only reason why men frequent subs like this is because they knocked up a hot women couldn’t be more false. It’s better to teach young men how much a relationship or marriage could cost them, and to work on themselves rather than jump through hoops on the small chance of obtaining a “quality” woman.
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Yes they probably should work on themselves if they believe that all women are out to take half their shit and force them into child support for 18 years so they can live the good life off your 50 dollars a week.
[–]SpaceSound8 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
You joke but that’s the case for a lot men on this sub and the one that I believe you’re referencing. Don’t forget, the divorce rate consistently hovers around or close to 50%, and women are the initiators of it over 70% of the time. And who do you think is affected the most by divorce financially and mentally? So honestly, what you said isn’t too far fetched of a reality. And if you think for one second this isn’t something young men who are entering the dating scene shouldn’t be concerned about, you’re dead wrong.
Again I see these dependas I'm not saying they dont exist In just saying open your eyes and look past whatever fleeting looks she has now, men are too eager to get married and have kids in my personal experience. I believe in neither it really solves all of that. If you wanna talk about specific issues like a way to opt of a pregnancy you dont want or protecting assets after a divorce I have your back 100% but to just blame your failed relationship 100% on all women as a group, nah and I think your what your preaching sets others up for failure you get what you give. Men dont initiate divorce they just fuck other women and let the wife cook them dinner afterward they dont wanna lose their house.
[–]Wsing1974 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I hear what you're saying, and I agree with 90% of it. However, there are plenty of men out there who fell for the "prove your adulthood by starting a nuclear family" trap.
I got married at 20 years old to a woman I thought was a good choice. Worked on keeping her happy for almost two decades. Finally realized I was being emotionally abused, and so were my kids. Initiated a divorce, and the wife went scorched earth on me. Lost everything that was any value to me.
My mistake was buying into the narrative and trusting the system to protect me if I did the right things. Got burned HARD. I'd like to help prevent something similar from happening to other men.
I have a good woman now, so I know that not all women are like my ex. But often times we cruise along in ignorance and naivety, and figure out the truth too late. Men need to be more on their guard and protect themselves in case that woman you trust isn't who you believe she is.
Well yeah I think its pretty rare to see a marriage work out that young does anyone? its kinda the norm now to wait until 30s to have kids and get married. But I dont see what that has to do with demonizing any kind of relationship with a women besides meaningless sex. And then they talk shit online about how stupid they were and just reaffirmed whatever beliefs they held but what kind of women do you think theyre going to attract bringing home tinder sluts like you sought out a dumb women and then were like see its proof all women are like this girl from tinder that tried to move into my apartment.
[–]PeterPumpkinHead91 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What?
[–]PeterPumpkinHead91 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Except many situations are exactly like that. Of course you wouldn’t understand nor see any problems.
I come from a place where the only people my age with kids are dope heads so I guess I only see it from where I'm standing, but neither party is very sympathetic fuck em both polluting the gene pool with dopehead genetics.
[–]feared_rear_admiral47 points 4 years ago* [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link
Feminists: A woman is a person just like a man is and is not defined by her sexual status and properties but by her thoughts and actions.
Also feminists: Women need to use their sexual status to manipulate men more.
This whole sex strike attitude is just disgusting all around. Thankfully no sane person actually pays mind to any of it but the handful of shrill feminist types who will share it on Facebook and forget about it the next day.
[–]Wsing1974 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Feminists: My body, my choice.
Also feminists: Get your newborn circumcised.
[–]Kravego 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Honestly, I've only seen anti-MGM talk from feminist circles.
You are dead wrong.
Support for MGM is almost nonexistent in feminists outside the US. In the US support for MGM is a small minority opinion among individual feminists, and can not be called a feminist policy since the majority are strongly against it on personal autonomy and bodily integrity grounds.
By contrast US non-feminists both male and female are far more in favour of MGM than feminists.
But wait there's more. What about people who identify as anti-feminist? Tradcons? Rednecks? Fundamentalist and Evangelical Christians? I'd think in the US they would all be bastions of MGM.
[+][deleted] -15 points-14 points-13 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Ooooookay you’re aware those are totally different sects of loosely related ideologies right? Not the same disingenuous super group that hates men
[–]Regs2 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The difference is if people in my groups (black, males, hetro, etc) say stupid shit, I have no problem calling them out. But when feminists start saying stupid shit, all you get are crickets from other feminists.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh yes it is
[–][deleted] 86 points87 points88 points 4 years ago (164 children) | Copy Link
Let's be real.. civilization would collapse if women striked too. They're 90% of nurses. We'd survive for sure and if men striked we'd all be dead in 5 days but women carry some important roles too. Just being pedantic though, the point is sort of right.
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Or instead of trying to one up each genders negative impact by withdrawing we could just settle that different people working different jobs would have different impact independent of sex?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
100% agree.
Generalizations based on gender are a weak minded man’s debate tool
[–]in_the__trees 28 points29 points30 points 4 years ago (78 children) | Copy Link
Here's the thing on that philosophy; men can do those jobs if we have to. Perhaps not as well, but we can do them. Women on the other hand would collectively have a very hard time keeping up with construction, machinery, systems maintenance, infrastructure maintenance etc. How many women can fix a power line and not kill themselves? Not many. The philosophy that society would collapse without men is much more true than the opposite.
[–]ThatDamnedRedneck 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you're trying to make a gendered point, pick one that has everything to do with biology and nothing to do with technical training.
[–]Domnhoes 23 points24 points25 points 4 years ago (41 children) | Copy Link
Honestly sometimes this sub is downright ridiculous. Some of you guys push the same agenda that 3rd wave feminism is disliked for, except with the genders switched. Do some of you really believe that every single job typically done by women can so easily and simply be done by men, yet women wouldn’t be able to step into any jobs typically done by men? That’s such a delusional view.
This is coming from a man btw.
[–]Exterminatus4Lyfe 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (32 children) | Copy Link
Well you don't see many female garbage collectors around...
[–]prodiver 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link
That's true, you don't.
But if men disappeared off the planet tomorrow women could do that job.
We have historical proof of this. Almost every non-military male dominated job was done by women during WW2.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I love the "women worked the factories" in WW2 reasoning. They absolutely did but no-one mentions how they could not wait to get back in the home and pop out multiple babies once that war was over. They saw reality and hated it.
[–]Iakeman 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
yeah, work fucking sucks dude. no shit. do you think men work in factories because they enjoy it? because they want to? the societal pressure was for them to return home, so largely they did.
[–]prodiver 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You're probably right, but you're also changing the subject.
No one is claiming women want to do those jobs, just that they can do those jobs.
[–]mind_walker_mana -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
No! Women wanted the right to work and the worked for it. Men were mad cause women wanted the right to choose and not be a breeder as men always expected them to be. And so now women woke and now men are bitching about women not being able to do thing when women have proven they already can. So no one mentions it cause it's not true.
English please.
[–]chadwickofwv 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Except it took multiple women to do the work of a single man in those jobs.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
If men disappeared off the planet tomorrow, the lack of firefighters would see every major city burn to the ground within 24 hours.
With cities destroyed, we would also lose power distribution and communication networks.
Without men we also immediately lose our food distribution.
Within 24 hours, no power, no communications
Within a week, no food - riots break out among the suburban population.
Within a month, human losses reach 95+%.
Women could theoretically collect garbage if all men disappeared off the planet tomorrow.... but at that point they are so screwed that they aren't going to worry about something that insignificant.
[–]Iakeman 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
“civilization would collapse if half of humanity disappeared tomorrow”
no shit lmao
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Only if that half were men.
If it were evenly distributed between genders, or all women, it wouldn't collapse. It would be disrupted, but not collapse
[–]Iakeman 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
genuinely delusional thing to believe
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
So tell me. How does society collapse if all women disappear?
[–]prodiver 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
You are missing the point.
Everything you listed is due to losing 50% of the population, not because women can't do those jobs.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
No, everything I listed was because of men.
Can women be firefighters? Some can, not most. Doesn't matter if they can or can't though... they can't start doing that job (effectively) fast enough to make a difference when the city is burning to the ground.
[–]prodiver 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
Again, you are missing the point.
Other men couldn't replace firefighters fast enough if they just stopped working.
That is an issue of training time, not ability.
If all male firefighters were magically replaced with female firefighters overnight nothing would burn down. Yes, more female firefighters per shift would be needed, since men are physically stronger, but women can do the job.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Firefighters are a matter of physical ability
[–]antilopes 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
We have lots of women garbage collectors in my city. It is all wheelie bin pickup by trucks with a big arm. I met the owner of the company. He said men tend to be harder on the trucks and use more fuel, though I imagine that means men would also be a little quicker.
Back when we had rubbish bags and steel bins there were very few women doing the job because it needed so much upper body strength.
[–]Domnhoes -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
You don’t see many male nurses, yet on this thread it is argued that this is a job that can easily be done by males if needed?
So why couldn’t women collect garbage?
[–]ultrasuperthrowaway 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
9% of nurses are male, over 333,000
[+]Exterminatus4Lyfe -14 points-13 points-12 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Because doctors are mostly male, and will continue to be until Affirmative Action makes being a doctor unviable for men. And nurses can be easily replaced by doctors (though to be fair, most doctors can be replaced by nurses too)
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
More women have been graduating medical school than men for a while now.
[–]Domnhoes 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I’m sorry but you are simply wrong. The skill sets of doctors and nurses are completely different and if any nurses or doctors read your comment they’d be laughing at the fact that you think they’re easily interchangeable. Both doctors and nurses require university degrees to be qualified, and trust me, it’s not the same knowledge and skills they develop. Not to mention the fact that there are many different types of doctors who specialise in different fields (the same goes for nurses).
How can we even begin to discuss complex gender issues here when you’re arguing that doctors and nurses are essentially the same profession?
[–]kobarci 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I don't agree with the notion that women are easily replacable but as an MD I can do almost everything a nurse does but a nurse cannot do what i do. But that's the point. Nurses are easier to train and their tasks are usually simpler than ours but we need a lot of nurses. It took 10 years to train me but it takes 4 for a nurse where I'm from. For every doctor there is we need at least 10 nurses. So if nurses which are 90% female went on a strike things would go to shit really fast in hospitals.
Everyone contributes to society as much as they can. No need to make it a pissing contest about who does more work.
[–]prodiver 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As a paramedic I work with doctors and nurses, but I'm neither so I don't really have a bias towards one or the other.
But I can tell you most doctors cannot do the job of a nurse.
You have the knowledge and technical skills, but that's all. Most doctors are shit at patient education, advocacy, have no bedside manner at all, and have terrible social skills.
Those are essential tasks that most doctors think are unimportant, and that is exactly why most doctors can't do a nurse's job.
[–]jonnytechno 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The main argument is not so much that women can't do the jobs that men do but that men's strength make those jobs look easier than they are & if only women could do them then the productivity rate would be so low & the mortality rate so high that those services /society would degrade
[–]Domnhoes 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
While some of this is true, our dependence on individual physical strength for getting things done has been diminishing for a while now. Your argument may have been true a hundred years ago, but today with technology and machinery those services would not degrade as much as you think. Yes, women’s productivity rate would be lower in manual labour jobs but the difference wouldn’t be anywhere near significant enough to cause widespread unsolvable issues.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I actually did a little research for this topic a while back.
Major cities on average put out 76 fires per day.
5% of firefighters are women.
Within 24 hours, major cities would burn to the ground if all men stopped working.
When all major cities have burned, they've also destroyed power distribution and communications networks (because they've been destroyed).
This means within 24 hours we've completely lost every major city, power, and communications (no phone, no internet).
Within 24 hours, we've become an agrarian society again.
With all urban areas destroyed, all that remains is suburban and rural areas...
This is the outcome if all men stopped working for 24 hours... Society would be destroyed, every nation would collapse, and the human race would never fully recover.
Suburban areas only have enough food for a few days (no power means spoilage, and Walmart isn't being restocked ever again).
This means within a month, significant portions of the population starve to death, or are killed for food.
This is what happens if men stopped working for 24 hours...
And that's just firefighters...
[–]fgrsentinel 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I think part of why a lot of people claim that is because a bridge designed by a number of female STEM graduates collapsed within 1-2 days of being finished while another female engineer that graduated emphasized the aesthetic additions a female engineer can bring to a project over the structural work itself.
The logic that's being used is that men and women are good at different things that gives them an advantage in different jobs and fields.
[–]Domnhoes 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
And this single example (without a source at that) proves what?
[–]fgrsentinel 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I was pointing out a potential source for the logic behind it. It's generally accepted that there's jobs and fields women are better at and jobs where men excel. Acting like every man or woman going on strike would completely collapse the country because men can't do a woman's job or vice versa is a major stretch, though.
[–]Domnhoes 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree with your last sentence
[–]d4m4s74 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's probably the one disproven here
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
This reads very sexist. "How many women can fix a power line and not kill themselves?" Shit, why does that matter? I'm a man and couldn't do that. And for what it's worth, it would be a hell of a lot easier for a woman with no experience to learn how to fix power lines than a man with no experience to learn how to be a nurse.
[–]JohnPerera[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
I never depend on a nurse but men who provide us the power.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
If that's the case then I pray you never end up in the hospital
[–]ultrasuperthrowaway 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
He could pick one of the 333,000 male nurses
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
/s?
[–]ultrasuperthrowaway 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
There are 330,000 male nurses source: https://www.hci.edu/hci-news-blog/730-male-nursing-statistics
I didn't ask for a source, I asked if you were being sarcastic. Because you don't get to pick your nurse and even with that many male nurses there's no guarantee there are any working at the time of his hospital visit or even at that hospital period.
[–]ultrasuperthrowaway 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
No I’m not being sarcastic, he could ask for a male nurse. I don’t believe it’s illegal to ask for something you want at a place of business.
[–]JohnPerera[S] -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, in our country they are called as "attendants". and we pay little tip for them (just as paying for bellboys at a hotel), and they are much loyal and fun than a bitchy nurses.
[–]JohnPerera[S] -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
I'm 34 and never so far. And even I end up in a hospital, a male doctor and a male attendant (for peeing etc) could do the job better than bitchy nurse.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Wow so you are just a full on sexist. Do us a favor, and leave /r/MensRights, you give us a bad name.
[–]JohnPerera[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link
Mens Right is always must be sexist, otherwise they can call themselves as "Human Rights". You should leave MRA due to that reason.
In other hand Science also support sexism, here is a research finding
The women were approximately 52% and 66% as strong as the men in the upper and lower body respectively. The men were also stronger relative to lean body mass. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8477683
So you should leave science.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
You don't have to hate women to advocate for mens rights. Science may show that men are typically physically stronger than women, but that does not give you a reason to say men are better than women or deserve to be treated better. Take your sexism to /r/MGTOW and stop giving real MRAs a bad name.
[–]JohnPerera[S] -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
//Science may show that men are typically//
//may
//typically
//but that does not give you a reason to say men are better than women//
sign of a cuck.
[–]Kravego 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
How many women can fix a power line and not kill themselves?
Just as few as the number of men who could do so without training. Honestly, having a fucking penis doesn't make me able to fix the goddamned power lines. It takes training to do so. And women are just as able to go through that training as men. Especially since there's so many tools available today to make it less physically demanding.
Get over yourself and your male superiority bullshit.
[–]JohnPerera[S] -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Get over yourself and your feminist bullshit.
Look around the society, how many women can even fix smaller issues of their car by themselves even they have the same ability to learn as men.
[–]mrfuzzydog4 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You seem to assume that this is because of some inherent quality of being a woman instead of, you know, a consequence of socialization.
[–]Kravego 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
My views aren't feminist, they're egalitarian. You know, unlike your misogynistic ass.
The ability to fix a car isn't an inherent quality of manhood. I'm a security engineer and can do a lot of shit on a computer, but I can't fix a car to save my life.
For anything other than dumb labor, people can do only the jobs they're trained to do, no more. Stating anything contrary to that requires a sever lack of intelligence and rational thought.
[–]JohnPerera[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
//I'm a security engineer and can do a lot of shit on a computer, but I can't fix a car to save my life.//
You should check your manhood.
[–]Kravego 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
You know that toxic masculinity bs that feminists push all the time? Your attitude is an example of actual toxicity. You don't get to decide what makes a man.
I'm a veteran, I do woodworking on the side, I'm analytical, I'm a provider. All of these things that are generally considered "manly", and yet you want to discredit it all because I don't have any desire to work on cars?
Go get fucked you sexist, braindead piece of shit.
[–]JohnPerera[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
You fought for the country and deserve some respect? No, you fought to protect the the wealthy people, women and invade other countries and kill other men. Think about it.
The difference between a thug and solider is, solider kill for the government and have legal protection, while a thug do it for his boss. Both follow orders regardless of its cruelty.
Now see who is the toxic here, a man who use his freedom of speech, or a man who used weapons to kill other humans.
[–]Kravego 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Your bullshit anti-military stance aside, you're completely missing the point. Those traits are considered "manly" and they're what I embrace in my identification as a "man".
The fact that you place importance on working on cars (out of everything else? really?) doesn't detract from the "manliness" of others who aren't car savvy. Literally the definition of "fragile masculinity".
You're a fucking moron.
[–]jameswalker43 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I get It is oftentimes difficult but before criticizing a man, walk a mile in his shoes.
I got you tube and climbing gaffs
[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
The problem with that is that it's an absolutely retarded talking point. One can't do without the other, kids know this. We'd all be savages without women. It just leads nowhere and is more "firing back" than solving anything.
[–]tenchineuro 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
One can't do without the other, kids know this.
That's not what they are being taught, it's more like 'boys are stupid, throw rocks at them'.
Society would hurt without women, society would end without men.
24 hours and every major city would burn to the ground, leaving us with no power, internet, or phones... and that's just the first 24 hours.
After three days, food runs out (men transport food.... and require communications to do so).
After a month, 95+% of the remaining population has starved or been killed.
I can cosign on this as a response to the "Kill All Men" bullshit memes. Beyond that, nope.
Ironic that what you claim to be “absolutely retarded” is what you just wrote.
[–]angelojch 44 points45 points46 points 4 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link
But there are plenty of skilled men that would replace them. Those men are currently working as doctors. There are many things men do that women simply wouldn't be able to cover that easily. They can learn but they don't want to and it would take years.
[–]things_will_calm_up 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There aren't enough nurses now. There's no way a male-only workforce could pick up the slack.
[–]prodiver 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Men could replace them eventually, but doctors can't replace them.
Close to 99% of healthcare is done by nurses.
There aren't enough doctors and they don't have the time.
[–]tenchineuro 46 points47 points48 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Seems a bit high, got a source?
[–][deleted] 38 points39 points40 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
His ass
[–]nachos12367 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Not exactly doctors and nurses but my wife is a veterinary technician and the doctors at her clinic absolutely could not survive on their own. The techs do the vast majority of the work. The doctors pretty much just diagnose and operate. Every single other thing is handled by nurses.
I assume that healthcare for people is handled similarly.
[–]tenchineuro -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The local vets office seems to have 1 receptionist/clerical, 2 doctors and the same number of nurses, and the doctor did more than diagnose while I was there.
Nonetheless, what is healthcare? Is it provided by everyone at the hospital including the janitors and IT staff? The hospital could not operate without these people (usually men). I'm a bit unclear of the scope of the claim.
[–]prodiver 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
Personal experience as a paramedic for the past 20 years.
People assume hospitals are like TV and movies, with a dozen doctors around every corner.
Doctors are rare when it comes to actual patient care. Nursing homes have no doctors and 20+ nurses, an ER will have one or two doctors and 20+ nurses, an ICU won't have any doctors, they are all nurses, and general med-surg floors are all nurses as well.
Just think about the last time you were in a hospital. You probably saw your doctor for 10 minutes per day. Nurses cared for you the rest of the time.
What about the last time you went go your doctor's office? Mine has 2 doctors and at least 20 nurses/techs/nursing assistants.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
That's called anecdote.
[–]prodiver 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Yes, it is. Did I claim it was something else?
I literally started my comment by saying this was "personal experience."
We all know personal experience is anecdotal.
If the only comments that matter here are peer-reviewed science then this thread is in trouble.
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The claim that close to 99% of healthcare is done by nurses is a claim that would require substantive evidence, which is why I said that.
[–]rawbface 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
This, however, is more of an obvious observation.
[–]NibblyPig -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think the majority of the rest of the time you're left on your own, and what care you do receive is mostly unskilled and could be replaced by anybody with common sense. You could elevate the nurses to a higher position where they delegate, and have peons do much of the grunt work. If someone complains they need a glass of water or help going to the toilet, anybody can do that.
[–]fgrsentinel 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Personal experience says that male medical employees (doctors and nurses), sadly, have lower bedside manners than women in the same jobs. Granted, when the men I've had as doctors have done things like refuse to tell me about serious concerns related to my medications, fail to do necessary blood work/tests to make sure I was actually on my medication, fail to take the recommended safety precautions with some medicines, and fly off the wall at me when I asked to be taken off said medicines permanently because they were for a stupidly minor condition they didn't do anything to help with, I think I can say I'm pretty biased.
Male therapists are often better from my experience though, so there's that.
[–]ColonelVirus -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago* (11 children) | Copy Link
What do men do that women wouldn't be able to cover? I legit can't think of anything.
Edit: sorry I missed the last line.
I wonder what jobs women do that would require tons of training for men to do. Nurses would 100% be one of them. Doctors aren't nurses they don't do after patient care or any care really. They fix problems, a lot of time very specific problems. It would take them quite a while I think to learn the day to day running of healthcare.
[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
On average major cities respond to 76 fires in a given day.
5% of firefighters are women, on average.
76 fires with only 5% of your force is going to mean that within 24 hours every major city would burn to the ground.
When the cities burn power distribution and communication networks are gone.
No phones, internet, power... or cities all within 24 hours.
Suburban areas will run out of food within 3 days (men drive upwards of 90% of food shipments).
Within 24 hours of men stopping work, we've become an agrarian society again...
[–]ultrasuperthrowaway 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Male nurses exist lol
[–]ColonelVirus -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yea but they're a rarity? You couldn't remove all female nurses and hand all those jobs over to the male nurses.
If you change that around, there are women electricians, soldiers, builders. Not enough to make the work or industry functional though if all the men randomly died.
[–]ultrasuperthrowaway 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If all those people died you’d need more morticians than anything else
[–]jonnytechno 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link
Women have consistently failed requirements tests for most military & fire services.... It's only because the bar was lowered fur them that they qualify today
Edit: Down voted akready but the mere fact that different entry requirements exist prove my point
[+]ColonelVirus -11 points-10 points-9 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Women who entered those tests though? Tons of men will have failed too I'm sure. If ALL men died, there would be women found to be able to fill those roles.
At least the initial testing. There are a fuck ton of fit women out there, they just don't try out for the military because it's not a good career path (IMO at least). I don't really understand why men join it either tbh.
[–]Kravego 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I don't really understand why men join it either tbh.
Because as long as you're smart about it (ie, don't join the Army or Marines) you'll come out of your contract with hella benefits, a great work history, and a marketable skill. And you most likely won't be injured.
Plus, for the vast majority of military members it's not a "career path". It's 4 years from the time they're 18 until they're 22 when they have no damn clue what they want to do with their lives and the military gives them a way to be productive members of society while they figure that shit out.
[–]ColonelVirus -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
> a great work history, and a marketable skill
Why would the army be classed as a "work history" for civilian work? I've only ever done the tests for military, so I don't actually know what they do on tours or w.e. Do they do civilian type things that can translate? I know they pay for education in certain field like cooking and engineering, which would apply to those specific fields.
What if you're just a "grunt" and don't do anything? The military path wouldn't give you any leg up in a civilian world. At least I'd of thought. As an employer I wouldn't really consider military background a benefit to have (over other experience, obviously over nothing it's better) unless you were an officer and I was employing you to look after a team.
[–]Kravego 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
The United States military is the largest organization in the US and the 4th largest organization in the entire world. Jobs within the military range from the "grunt" you mentioned to medical staff (including doctors, nurses, lab techs, and others), engineers, IT, mechanics, police, cooks, pilots (rotary and fixed wing), and even lawyers. I spent 7 years in the USAF, 4 as a system administrator and 3 in cyber warfare. Any of these positions, and mine personally, translate 100% to their civilian counterparts.
I specifically excluded the Army and Marines entirely due to the large % of those organizations in "grunt" roles compared to the other 2 branches. But even that wasn't really fair to the Army, because the vast majority of THAT huge organization (the largest of the branches in the US) is also in a support, rather than grunt, role.
Even if you're a grunt, 4 years in the military (with an honorable discharge) demonstrates to an employer an ability to follow and give orders, perform under pressure, get the job done regardless of circumstances, and number of other qualities I could probably spin into a decent resume bullet. The grunt jobs just don't have directly translatable civilian counterparts, while the pogs do and can also benefit from the resume points I just listed. Plus, veteran hiring preference is a thing.
[–]ColonelVirus 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yea maybe the US wouldn't coupe well if all men died. Especially if your military is that heavily stacked in your work force.
Even if you're a grunt, 4 years in the military (with an honorable discharge) demonstrates to an employer an ability to follow and give orders, perform under pressure, get the job done regardless of circumstances, and number of other qualities I could probably spin into a decent resume bullet.
TBF 4 years of employment would also show this quite easily. I would be more likely to employee someone with 4 years employment history than someone with 4 years military history. If anything most civilians with 4 years work experience in the field I'm looking for would be much more desirable, and a lot of them would have already passed exams relating to their chosen career path. It would be very hard for a 4 year "grunt" to complete, if they didn't do any kind of qualifications at all.
Especially if your military is that heavily stacked in your work force.
The military isn't heavily stacked in our work force, the military is just a large organization. That being said, less than 1% of the population are military, slightly more are veterans.
4 years of employment would also show this quite easily.
Not in the same ways 4 years of military experience would show. Nothing says "perform under pressure in inhospitable environments" like a deployment to fuckistan.
I would be more likely to employee someone with 4 years employment history than someone with 4 years military history. If anything most civilians with 4 years work experience in the field I'm looking for would be much more desirable, and a lot of them would have already passed exams relating to their chosen career path
That's a personal choice and is probably dependent on career field, but having a solid anti-military bias in hiring is going to have you missing out on a lot of otherwise successful candidates. And military members in pog fields like IT or medical are also expected to take tests and certifications in their field of choice. In my field specifically, you're put through a gauntlet of tests and certifications before you're allowed to actually do the job.
It would be very hard for a 4 year "grunt" to complete, if they didn't do any kind of qualifications at all.
We're not really talking about grunts. I already conceded in my original response that the smart thing to do would be to avoid those fields. Sure the Marines have a large percentage of grunts and so do the Army, but the fact remains that the vast majority of military members (in the US at least) are not in combat roles. Most won't even deploy during their contracts. So you're throwing out literally millions of individuals with real work experience that happen to be wearing a uniform at the time based on your perceptions of a minority of the military. Not a very smart hiring practice.
[–]azazelcrowley 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This. An actual drawn out strike by women would gradually unwind society until their demands were met. If it's one of those "We're taking a day off work to march around" strikes, nothing would change beyond people being mildly inconvenienced.
However, if all men took the day off work, that's another story. Let alone a protracted strike.
On the other hand, womens labor is valuable, it's just not like, existentially threatening if they withhold it at this time due to how labor is currently divided. A "Sex strike" however is pointless and achieves nothing.
[–]Grazod 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The interesting point that OP inadvertently makes is that we do live in a male dominated society. If men were to go on strike yes the world would collapse. Men control most political positions, most of the world's capital is held by men, most CEOs, Presidents and other leaders in business are all men, etc.
It is not about the inherent value of an average random man vs the inherent value of an average random woman. It is just that men control MOST things in society, primarily due to a LONG history of men not allowing women to even participate in society, so yeah if we striked as a whole, society would collapse.
[–]ShelSilverstain 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
The only reason there aren't more male nurses and teachers is because our sexist society shames men for doing that work, now because men aren't capable
Are we really gonna use the feminist argument? No. Its not because men are shamed. The reason they are shamed is that its not what men generally want. Its not a mens role in society to care for the wounded.
[–]insanemetal1873 points 4 years ago* [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link
If all teenagers went on strike we'd feel it. If 50% of the work force went on strike it would have a huge impact, regardless of what they do (as many people replying to you are arguing).
OPs like this just make us look like the bad feminists. Is the goal equality or a war between sexes? I don't need to feel like I'm "better" than women (whatever that even means as we serve different roles in society), I just don't want it to be socially acceptable for people to hope I die or see me as useless because of how I was born.
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Is the goal equality or a war between sexes?
No, the goal is to show how much of what we take for granted is made possible by men.
If women stopped working for 24 hours, people would die in hospitals, and parents would have to find a way to take care of their kids for a day.
If men stopped working for 24 hours, every major city would burn to the ground (major cities put out 76 fires on average per day, 95% of firefighters are men).
When the cities burn to the ground, power distribution and communication hubs are destroyed.
Within 24 hours, we'll lose every major city, power, internet, and phones worldwide.
In three days, suburban areas will run out of food, in a month 95% of the population will have died.
That's the outcome if all men stopped working for 24 hours...
We become an agrarian society again...
[–]insanemetal187 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Again, this just reads as a sexist rant. Calm down dude.
If teenagers, you know the no skill, no experience, work force, went on strike, we'd feel it. I'm not sure if it would cripple us, but it would have a major impact.
If 50% of the work force went on strike we would be on our knees regardless of what they did. You just don't know what women do in general so you're sticking to one occupation and giving men a bunch.
It just shows ignorance and tribalism, which is exactly what's wrong with 3rd wave feminist. They just focus on their own group at the sacrifice of others and don't understand the importance of those groups they are ignoring. If you think the only thing society will miss from the absent of women is sex then you really need to take a step back and look at what you're saying.
You know how you can tell it's not a sexist rant?
You can't refute a single point, or provide a single counterpoint other than nuh uh.
[–]insanemetal187 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
There’s no “points” to address. I’m not contesting that society would crumble without men. I’m saying without women it would also go very poorly. The only point I’m contesting is that women are ONLY nurses which is just pointless to refute. Do I really need to look up stats? What purpose would it serve anyways?
But you seem like you’ve taken too many red pills and seem pointless to discuss with. Continue hating women and wonder why life sucks.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
There would be problems without women, but minor compared to the opposite.
[–]insanemetal187 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You're argument boils down to whether you'd want your left or right arm cut off. Sure, cutting off your dominant arm will change your life more, but it's not like losing the left will be easy.
No, the argument is whether you'd like your arm cut off, or to be killed.
Many People would die if all women went on strike.
If men went on strike, every major city would burn to the ground within 24 hours. This would also destroy power grids, and communication networks.
Literally within 24 hours... we would be back to an agrarian culture...
[–]antilopes -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
The payroll office is often 100% women. And our company phone receptionists, and reception at every place you call. Not that you would be at work for full days, you'd be busy doing the school run or stuck at home with youngies. And looking after your elderly parents, because 100% of rest home workers are women.
[–]elebrin 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
The payroll office is often 100% women. And our company phone receptionists, and reception at every place you call.
How often do you call a business? I haven't called for information since maybe 2005 or so. I'll send an email and ask. If that sort of thing becomes overwhelming for the office, they could hire a man to answer those emails.
Payroll, too. Yes, there are lots of women working in payroll, but there are enough men out there, I think, with accountancy degrees or knowledge that they could figure it out. That work would get shoveled onto the other accountants for a few days while someone for payroll was hired, but so it goes.
Not that you would be at work for full days, you'd be busy doing the school run or stuck at home with youngies.
It's always the mothers who are against the kids riding the bus or walking to school and having a bit more freedom. If I had children who were of age to attend school, they would be responsible for getting themselves there on time. As for very young children (under 5) you are correct, but I don't know that many mothers would be willing to give up their responsibilities to their very young children no matter how dire the strike.
As for elderly parents, again, the more they can do for themselves the better. People (women) who just do shit for their elderly parents are slowly eroding their autonomy. We shouldn't be caring for them to the level that we do. Some services, like lawn services, tree services, handymen, and other such things for when things go wrong will still be useful to them but those jobs are done by men.
At any rate, if it's paying work, there will be a man who will do it somewhere. It will take time to find him, and that might cause some economic strain, but civilization wouldn't collapse.
I am a women who owns and operates a lawncare service by myself, there is another gimmick lawn service that is owned by a man but he only hires hot chicks in shorts to mow. I also spent some years in tree removal. Occasionally I happen across an older customer who is surprised to see a girl but most people realize that lawn cuttting really isnt that hard. Can I carry a roll of shingles up a ladder, well actually maybe one but I wouldnt want to. They have a conveyor for that now. most of the things we needed superior man strength for have been replaced by machinery.
[–]elebrin 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Another machine, another thing to go wrong so people can sit around not working while they wait for someone to fix it.
[–]RealBiggly 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Most such roles could easily be done part-time by a guy with a PC
Bad statistics won’t help any absurd point you might have.
I'm not going to argue with your assessment.
Here's what happens if men stopped working...
Within 24 hours every major city burns to the ground, effectively ending power distribution, phone networks, and the internet worldwide. Radios will still work for those with power (police cars, truckers, etc...)
With no men, no food is delivered ever again... the remaining suburban areas run out of food within 3 days. Within a week, rioting and murders for food take over. Within a month 95% of the human population has died.
[–]antilopes -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sure, it would be catastrophic very quickly if men went on strike.
[–]MechaQueeen 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Right? Jesus this is r/mens rights not r/incels
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link
Society needs men, not women. 90% of nurses but the overwhelmingly vast majority of male doctors can pull double-duty for a short while.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Literal incel comment. Think about what you just said. 2 minutes of critical thinking and your worldview shatters.
Society doesnt need women. Lol.
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Lmfao, I don't bow down and kiss the ground women walk on so I must be an incel! (Let's just ignore the fact that men who do that tend to be the incels). Fuck off back to r/MensLib. EDIT: Or ChapoIncelHouse since you post there (point proven lol)...
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Cause theres totally no middle ground between "i dont kiss the ground women walk on" and "society doesnt need women". Jesus christ. Sort your life out.
Just like there's no middle ground between literal incel and slut? Also where's the lie in what I said? Didn't Bear Grylls do a man vs woman challenge and the women didn't even manage to get a fire going? But yeah we totally need women!
This seriously is your argument for "society doesnt need women"? What does slut have to do with this?
The lie is "society needs men, not women". Society is more than just pure survival.
We quite literally need women to continue the species, apart from, you know, all the caretaking they do while men do the hunting and labor. Do we really have to go back to basic biology and anthropology? I think its quite obvious that we need women. Just not in the way we need men. Grow up.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
What does the world lose without women? Let's say we invent artificial wombs tomorrow, what value do women provide anymore beyond that point? Affection and care? Haha #maletears. Progress? Basically everything we use on a day to day basis was invented by men. Maybe prostitution but once realistic sex bots are invented they don't even have that edge anymore. Why stick your dick in some chick that can leverage a false rape claim against you later when you can fuck a bot that is programmed with a specific set of routines? Before you go all "a hurr durr incel" on me how is this any different from a woman using a dildo?
You're not worth arguing for. You dont even listen to how ridiculous you sound.
Where's the lie? You always just come out with this vague "You sound ridiculous" but you can never point out how. Does the truth make you uncomfortable?
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
How would people be born without men and women. There would be no society if either was removed from the equation.
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Artificial wombs. Only men contain the entire human genome and gay male couples have had a baby (one of the men's sperm cell was transformed into an egg cell) so all we need is the artificial womb and women are obsolete.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Oh come on, women won't be made obsolete by artificial wombs any more than they were made obsolete by laundry machines. Why do we need to become just as bad as the radical feminists?
Yeah they will, the one thing women have (and that feminist love to bring up) is their magical power to produce babies*. That's basically all they go on about so take that from them what do they have?
*Sperm from a man required.
Nietzsche is rolling around in his grave...
[–]-9999px 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I really, really appreciate the sight, smell, feel, and conversation with a well-adjusted woman. Surely a lot of men agree?
Your idea is as illogical as some women I know calling for the eradication of men and freezing their sperm.
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
They're nice holes to put your dick in when you have need but beyond that they really have nothing to offer. That's all they've offered me at least. The modern women is selfish, self-serving, and typically really dumb. Why do you think it's mostly older women who tend to be pro-MRA?
Without men, sperm runs out so the women's idea is illogical and based on emotion. Artificial wombs could simply be mass produced and with the whole "you can convert a man's sperm cell to an egg cell" bit humanity could continue on just fine.
The fact that you know women who support the genocide of 50% of the human race proves my point perfectly. That's something only a woman would think of because modern women inherently hate men. Hell I never even suggested killing off women, just that we could function just fine without them.
[–]-9999px -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
When was the last time you were in a relationship with a woman?
I’ve been with my girlfriend for nine years and she’s so much more than a “nice hole.”
You were saying you weren’t an incel earlier, but I’m kind of regretting commenting. Sounds like you may be off the deep end. Good luck man.
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
My fiance died in a car accident when I was 18. Since then women have been nothing more than holes to me, she was one of the unicorn NAWALTs.
[–]-9999px 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Sorry for your loss. Makes a lot of this make sense. Hope you can find someone who changes your opinion.
Well you have women like Karen Straughan and Alison Tieman but they're in their 40s so that goes into my point about modern (millennial) women being trash for the most part.
[–]prodiver -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You really think a doctor, who already works 80 hours a week and is outnumbered 10 to 1 by nurses, can do that?
It is more than doable, not every doctor has an 80 hour/week workload every week. Also it's not RNs that are needed really, it's NPs (as they can prescribe medications and see patients themselves unlike RNs so lower triaged patients can see them instead to take the workload off of doctors) which I've failed to find any stats on how many NPs there are.
[–]SatanicMushroom -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Going to add to this that if women went on a sex strike for long enough the entire human race would go instinct 😂
[+][deleted] -10 points-9 points-8 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
If women would go on sex strike then the human race will go extinct unless people are forcefully doing sexual acts with women.
[–]tenchineuro 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, but the converse is also true...
What was your point?
If 1% of women would not do the sex strike only the 99%, then we would go extinct. If 1% of men would not do sex strike but 99% only, we would not go extinct.
[–]tenchineuro 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If 1% of women would not do the sex strike only the 99%, then we would go extinct.
Strikes normally end when the demand are met or a compromise is reached.
If 1% of men would not do sex strike but 99% only, we would not go extinct.
You assume that women would change their behavior regarding hypergamy, height preferences and other things, they would still not have sex with men who can't give them what they expect. Also married women are not free to have sex with anyone if their husbands say 'no', not any more than the woman's husbands are.
I think your analysis overly is simplistic.
We could just raid sperm banks or Find old socks under the bed.
[–]tenchineuro 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
So you're not after sex per se, just children?
Not me personally I hate kids but women could get pregnant without men for a time. Or... have you ever seen "a boy and his dog"
[–][deleted] 51 points52 points53 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
This is borderline sexism, let’s just take a step back
[–]drexl019 23 points24 points25 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This crossed the border 100 miles back...
[–]Hoshi_Aaron 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
We gotta back off this incel mgtow shit before its too late and were actually associated with these people and never taken seriously again.
[–]livin4donuts 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, I tried to call a dude out just the other day for being a dickhead and the hivemind took over. This sub is beginning to live up to all of it's criticism.
[–]taijfst 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It’s a bit late for that. As far as most people are concerned, men’s rights = incel/mgtow, because they all gravitate towards it.
[–]Wsing1974 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I think we should go by the dictionary definition of Men's Rights Advocate.
[–]taijfst 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Do what you want, but most people who even know of the mens rights movement think that it's a bunch of bitter, woman-hating men with nothing better to do with their time than harass women over perceived sleights.
We gotta back off this incel mgtow shit *before its too late and were actually associated with these people* and never taken seriously again.
That's sadly too late already. The only reason why I even know of this sub, is because I wrote a comment in one thread here (didn't look which sub I stumbled in) and instantly got banned from /r /offmychest for "participating in an redpill/incel sub".
[–]leftajar -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
That's going to happen anyway. We might as well tell the truth.
[–]Hoshi_Aaron 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Thats like being an asshole to your friends because you feel like it and then complaining that they say youre an asshole. If you keep being that way of fucking course theyre gonna call you an asshole regardless. But if you actually try to not be a cunt, people will take notice, and stop saying that. Just admit it, you want to be an asshole, and dont care if you bring this whole sub and movement down with you. Fuck. Off. Men dont need you.
[–]leftajar -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
So, in your mind, telling the truth equates to being an asshole? How does that work?
You sound like you have some anger, you might want to investigate that.
[–]Hoshi_Aaron -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Cause you totally own truth. Youre an asshole. Thats truth. Cause i said so. Great logic, man. If youre ignorant enough to think thats truth, thats okay, world is already full od stupid people; but when you try and drag down men that are genuinely trying to expose the amount of shit they get based on their gender, just to "get back at women" you deserve no respect. Keep thinking like that, im guessing people irl like you lots.
[–]jameswalker43 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think I understand you. Have you ever thought about how we take online commenting for granted when actually it is a craft that takes effort to master
[–]leftajar -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What the fuck are you talking about?
[+]chadwickofwv -18 points-17 points-16 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
So, reality is sexist to you?
[–][deleted] 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No, saying that women provide no value to society is sexist.
Saying that the only value they do provide is sex is very sexist
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Is THAT drivel your reality?? Time to turn off your computer and spend more time outside echo chambers
[–]rawbface 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ok so what does this post imply other than "women contribute absolutely nothing to society except sex".
This post adds no value other than just insulting women.
And it's false to begin with, since women are part of groups and unions that can and have gone on strike...
[–]Hoshi_Aaron 29 points30 points31 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Jesus christ, get out of here with that incel shit. If we dont get our ways through empaty and sitting down and discussing, people will always see us as a joke, and well become just like the radfeminists. Quit that shitty "men alone move the world" attittude and go do something that ACTUALLY helps men somewhere. God knows we need it.
[–]things_will_calm_up 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Why the shit did I have to scroll down so far to see a comment with some common fucking sense? I had re-read the post thinking I was missing something. Nope, I read it right. It's bullshit.
[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's so fucking disheartening to see sexist generalizations like OP's in a sub like this. If what we're aiming for is to balance the sides both in privileges and disadvantages, we cannot be throwing shit at women like this. If what we're against are "all men are pigs" generalizations, we cannot start to generalize women by spouting petty shallow claims.
[–]novaru 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thank you, there are legitimate inequalities on both sides. I thought this sub was to point out things like women not having to register for draft not feel better about myself incel shit.
Finally someone I agree with.
[–]EntireFeature 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This shit brings the sub down. It's supposed to advocate for the rights of men, not slander the opposite gender. You're just make yourself look like neo-feminists and it's cringy.
[–]louisvillian502 38 points39 points40 points 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
Shit this thread got really toxic. You guys shouldn't be putting women down. We should be trying to make eachother actual equals. Women arent going anywhere and you arent helping anything by being as equally sexist as a feminazi.
[–]prodiver 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you look at the post histories it's clear most of these toxic people are just trolls.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Why did this sub just become an extra toxic male version of salty extremist feminists?? Starts with equality and devolves into salty nitpicking
[–]Kravego 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Idk but it's fucking annoying. It's either stay here an deal with literal incel fuckheads like /u/JohnPerera or go to /r/menslib and be forced to buy into feminist propaganda or get banned by piece of shit mods.
[–]prodiver 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Because of trolls wanting to make us look bad.
I've often investigated a suspect troll, and practically never found one. It would be comforting to think we are just being trolled but the truth is our crazies are almost always genuine.
It’s kind of extremely tedious at this point
How do you do, fellow men's rights activists?
You guys shouldn't be putting women down.
You should understand exactly what men provide to society, because it's overlooked in the extreme.
Let's say men strike for 24 hours.
Every major city puts out (on average) 76 fires per day... 95% of firefighters are men.
That means within 24 hours every major city has burned to the ground and every urban power distribution center, or communications hub has been destroyed with it.
Within 24 hours, we've lost every city, power, internet, and phones worldwide.
Even if men started back to work immediately after the 24 hours... all those are permanently destroyed.... suburban areas run out of food in three days.
Food distribution is ended because we have no communications network to organize, or refrigeration to protect it.
Within a month 95% of the population has died.
This is the effect of a single occupation that men do.
This is the effect ONLY of firefighters. Men make up an insane amount of foundational jobs in a society.
Your logic takes a huge leap from 76 fires per day to every major city burning down in 24 hours. Not all fires threaten the building they are in, let alone able to spread and engulf an entire city. Also, 76 fires a day does not mean that every power distribution center and communications hub will catch fire. In reality, most of those fires are home fires and not a threat to a city at large.
Most fires that require fire department intervention threaten the building they are in.
Any fire that is not out out will spread. 70 fires spreading throughout a city unchecked will do near total damage...
That's 76 per day.... If the city isn't entirely destroyed on day one, there's always day 2 to finish it off.
[+]hork23 -8 points-7 points-6 points 4 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
" You guys shouldn't be putting women down. " Edit: somehow pasted the wrong part.
Somehow, the reality that men do the work that keeps civilization running is sexist. Who knew?
" We should be trying to make eachother actual equals "
But we aren't equal, why is this so hard to understand?
[–]LordStatistics_Esq 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
But we aren’t equal
Oh my.
[–]hork23 -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Then demonstrate that men=women. That A=B
[–]louisvillian502 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Maybe you are trying to say we are physically different, which is a fact. But I'm talking the same in terms of equality.
[–]hork23 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes, we're physically different (funny how even saying that is nearly taboo today) but it's more than that. It is so surprising that, due to our physical differences (i.e. genitals), we developed separate strategies for reproductive behavior (what would work for a woman wouldn't necessarily work for a man)? Since strategies are a cognitive feat, therefore our brains are different too (who would have thunk? our brains being physical and all).
Since many of our behaviors, in a evolutionary sense, were specifically selected for either survival or reproduction we can further conclude that such cognitive strategies do not limit themselves solely with reproductive. In fact, all behavior and cognition is subject to the consequences of sexual dimorphism and thus strategies that better facilitate either reproductive or survival are selected within that lens of sex.
So in a specific scenario, men and women will think and act differently because of their strategies based on being one sex or the other. This implies different goals or desires or needs. If we treat men and women the same, equality, then in some circumstances both sexes will object to being treated in such a manner even going so far to advocate for unequal outcomes or paradigms to achieve what they want. Do you get where I'm going with this?
[–]heffurio 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So what exactly does this crap have to do with mens rights?
[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dumb post
[–]rationalthought314 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A sex strike would accomplish nothing. A strike on the activities men do for sex would unravel the whole system. If men stopped pursuing women it would mean a lot less money spent by them on drinks, dinners, gifts, vacations, homes, etc... A significant number of businesses would go bankrupt without men spending on women or spending on themselves to make themselves more attractive to women - cars, clothes, cosmetic surgery, etc...
[–]jonnytechno 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
There was a feminist strike recently if I remember correctly, they had such hopes that its cause an economic meltdown, crash, even a ripple would have been a statenent; but as everyone can guess..... It was "business as usual" (probably why others/most might not even know)
[–]Ruben_Samich 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Alright take a step back. Feminist women only have sex to offer and that's why they started the sex strike. This comment implies all women. We don't want generalizations, do we?
[–]wallman684 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
why is this sub so toxic now
[–]EmperorMarcus 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I used to think this sub raised some good points, but if its going to descend into self-parody then count me out
[–]LaughingJelly 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm sorry but is this not a bit incelly (yes I'm making that a word) women and men both work jobs and both go on strikes. Women do not go on "sex strikes", they might not want to as an individual for a time due to many reasons but that's different to a strike. May I remind you all that we are fighting for equality here, let's not stoop down the the level of self proclaimed feminists who only seek sexism in favour of their gender
[–]Akesgeroth 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"Hey guys, women are worthless besides their vaginas! THANKS FOR THE 1K SCORE! WE'RE NOT MISOGYNISTS, REALLY!"
Fucking idiots.
[–]Tiger_Widow 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Because all women contribute to the world is sex? 🤔 This is a very incelly post.
[–]Joemac_ 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is mensrights, not mgtow. We arent here to demean the worth of women.
[–]ExpendableOne 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't really like how this diminishes the impact that women have on men. It's not just "some men don't get laid". Women going on a "sex strike" would actually have a pretty significant effect on a lot of men. Even the idea that women would want or think to go on a "sex strike" on men would have an emotional and personal impact on men. Sex is source of comfort and validation for both men and women, and most men are already pretty starved of it. Even the idea of a sex strike has so many negative implications against men(i.e. men have no sexual value, men are romantically/personally disposable, etc). It just demonstrates that women can and will use sex against them, and to manipulate them(if not just outright exploit a fundamental emotional vulnerability and a social disadvantage), which is a very disheartening thing to men, especially the naive or romantically minded ones.
And, realistically, if "sex-strikes" were a thing, your average men would typically be the ones hurt by it. The guys that women consider high-priority, the tall, attractive, charismatic, rich and pompous members of the male gender, would be "strike-proof". Girls would still chase those guys and want to fuck them, despite their convictions. They would just use this as a way to hurt your average man, guilty or innocent. When women even entertain the idea of sex strikes, just to hurt or hold it against men, it affects a lot of men. It may not outright collapse civilization but it certainly would have a negative impact on it.
[–]Tamriels_okayest 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
But I like having sex with men.
[–]Heratran 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Around 50% of the planet and 80% of the workforce would stop doing anything. So yeah, civilization basically collapses
[–]Setari 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm already there, lol
[–]Vektor0 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is such a dumb argument, particularly because it feeds into the narrative that men hold all the positions of power and in doing so hold women back.
[–]teamwaterwings 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's pretty fucked up to think that the only value to society women provide is sex, the fuck is wrong with you?
[–]pankakke_ 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is some cringe incel shit
[–]things_will_calm_up 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This post goes against everything this sub should be about. Shame on you.
[–]Jinjrax 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This crap is why people write the sub off as women haters and incels
[–]Velvet_frog 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
Well no because women make up 92% of nurses and 76% of teachers, and 84% of social workers. The fact that a women’s general strike wouldn’t be as impactful as a men’s one is more indicative of them being excluded from valuable career fields, than of them just being ‘worse’.
The sheer simplicity and naivety of this “hurdur men better women silly” is so utterly counter productive and anti-intellectual.
[–]fsphoenix -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
excluded from valuable career fields
Riiiiight...
[–]Velvet_frog 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
Riiigghht because historical oppression of women is just gone now because we've had barely a generation of gender equality.
[–]PeterPumpkinHead91 -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
And yet women still aren’t as successful as men even with Affirmative Action, scholarships, and other “girl power” programs.
Of course. You can't shake off literally hundreds of years of actual oppression in a single generation. There's a reason that African Americans for instance are over represented in low income families. There's a reason that women are under represented in the highest paid careers (despite being over represented in educational attainment).
[–]PeterPumpkinHead91 -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah, I’m talking about general success not “representation.”
Success is measured by representation in areas of life perceived as successful. Like high income brackets, illustrious careers, etc.
So yes, when you talk about success you're literally talking about representation.
[–]Velvet_frog 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
And that's proof of what? Affirmative Action is barely 50 years old, its am umbrella term with no uniform application. Of what relevancy is it to this conversation?
[–]PeterPumpkinHead91 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Even with gifts, they still do not do as well. Perhaps it has more to do with individual choices due to biology than “muh socialization.”
[–]Velvet_frog 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
‘Gifts’ yeah this isn’t going to be a productive argument. Hope you can see the simplicity and naivety of your opinion and realize theirs a lot more to it than ‘individual choices’. Look into sociology
[–]PeterPumpkinHead91 -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
The same sociology that claims womyn are constant victims? I’ll pass.
[–]Velvet_frog -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Yeah fuck science dude, because it doesn’t validate my preconditions and biases.
[–]PeterPumpkinHead91 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Seems like that’s what your comment was about. Need I remind you that we’re talking about men on this subreddit?
[–]Rolten -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
them being excluded from valuable career fields
Mate, I agree with you, but this is just fucking stupid. There is not a single fucking real thing that stops a women from choosing engineering instead of business or medicine or nursing. They would be welcomed with open arms, at university and when looking for a job.
Does sexism still exist? Of course. And they might experience it in engineering more than in nursing. But to say they are excluded is just terribly ignorant of reality.
[–]Velvet_frog 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
"There is not a single fucking real thing" Yeah except the decades of varying and intense sociological, economic, cultural and historical influences.
The 'well nobody's stopping them from choosing' is just so asinine and simplistic. Like ye, nobody is telling a disproportionate amount of black children to drop out of high school, but they do for the above reason.
You're assuming every individual has total free will, every person can just rise above sociological pressure and historical influences and just naturally pursue their interests. There is probably millions of tiny little reasons like the ones above that exclude women from these careers, and to think 'welp nobody's telling them they can't' is just naive.
Obviously I accept the fundamental differences in men and women (hence why i'm on this subreddit) but can we agree that the screenshot comment is just reductive and simplistic.
[–]Rolten -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I think you're muddling feel excluded and are excluded.
Yes, they might feel pressure from parents or peers not to become engineers because it's not feminine or some shit, but there is no actual real barrier from them. They don't get excluded by the uni (quite the opposite), by scholarships (definitely the opposite), or by companies (quite the opposite).
It is very, very important to make that distinction.
I don't feel very encouraged as a dude to go into nursing either. Are there any barriers though? Nah all I have to do is sign up.
[–]Velvet_frog -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is kinda like a nirvana fallacy dude. Anything beyond an actual objective legal barrier literally blocking the person just isn’t valid in your eyes.
The centuries of oppression, the myriad of sociological, economic and human influences are HUGELY significant.
Just because women are now allowed now to enter these fields, Barely for the past 20 years, and only in a handful of western countries at that, doesn’t simply undo all the other million factors.
Like I said it’s so incredibly naive to think we are anything other than at the will of society and all its influences.
[–]Rainbow_Pierrot_ 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What about all the unpaid labor that women perform like child and elder care, family related matters, farming water collecting etc in developing countries. Most teachers and nurses are women. If women stopped their work, the world would stop, lets be real and men would scratch their heads wondering what the fuck to do while women unite and create change
[–]brenb1120 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Suuuuuuuuuuuuuure
[–]rocketwrench 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
We should strike in the dangerous jobs that we do with a high chance of death or maiming in order to have safe work environments.
We can all strike. Men and women, ti make our choices heard by the ivory towers and golden toilets who have worked for 50 years to turn us against each other and sell our bodies and souls and the land we share so they can profit.
[–]Ody_ssey 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women would go broke.
[–]rAgentDuck64Quack 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"Ok kids, who in the classroom was born in August?"
Kid: raises hand
Teacher: Well clearly your Dad didnt get the memo about the sex strike now, did he?
Kid: What's a sex strike?
[–]zoupzip 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So you’re saying that women are so underrepresented in society we need affirmative action. Dumb.
[–]GuitarCFD 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
pfft I've been on a sex strike for well over a year now...totally on purpose and for a good cause...
[–]Richardmg9 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
nope
It's not a sex strike that men need. It's a protect/provide for society strike that's more needed. Standing in line at a Starbucks, I really wonder what the nonfat vanilla pumpkin extra foam no whip crowd would do if they couldn't go to the grocery store to buy their food or if their neighborhood was ever invaded by a foreign power.
[–]chambertlo -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Exactly. Imagine if there was just one “day without men”. Everything would cease to operate. Society would literally collapse. A day without women would be one peaceful and quiet fucking day.
[–]Rolten 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A day without women would be one peaceful and quiet fucking day.
First of all, holy fucking sexism Batman.
Second, it's not going to be a quiet day with all the children running around. Or having to take care of the elderly. Or the sick.
[–]chasemyers -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Ehhhh. Hospitals would struggle to cover the load without the nurses. Schools would basically have to shut down.
Other than that, I can't think of any industries that would really suffer, but I could just be forgetting.
[–]chambertlo -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
There are male nurses. There are male teachers. Lmao.
[–]chasemyers 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Very small percentages. Come on, you know that.
[–]Lion_amongst_gods -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You're literally raping me by denying me sex. /s
[–]theels6 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Tbh i cant even get thru NNN
Men can go on a commitment strike. They will have sex, but won't commit; to anything.
[–]Kravego 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That won't work until LPS becomes a thing.
[–]Reportforbreathing -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think there should be like a day or something (when feminism becomes a real problem like when a LOT of the populous are just man hating) where in a country all the men stop working for a day and just watching the economy plummet and literally everything burn to the ground. Let em know that if they try fuck with men, the country's gonna end. Would legit finish feminism
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